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lamberts-lost-tooth
09-01-2006, 05:02 AM
Super repeat? Unlikely, says Bettis
Friday, September 01, 2006

By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Jerome Bettis, television analyst, doubts that the Steelers can repeat as Super Bowl champions because of an unsteady offense that already misses Jerome Bettis, brutish halfback.

"This is a totally different football team now than we had when we went on that run," Bettis said yesterday in an NBC conference call to promote the Miami-Steelers opener that kicks off the network's "Football Night in America" coverage Thursday.

"The question is: Are they capable of repeating? ... That remains to be seen yet. But it's not the same team. It's going to be a work in progress. It's going to be very, very difficult for them to repeat. They've got their hands full.

"They may have to rely on Ben Roethlisberger's arm a lot more than they have the prior two years. ... I'm not certain about the running game, how consistent it will be churning out the tough yards.

"Obviously, with myself not being there, that poses a question."

His retirement, Bettis said, and the lack of a Bus-like halfback could cause the Steelers to alter their style.

"Obviously ... not having that closer in there late in games, that is significant in shortening games," he said. "If they don't have that ability to shorten the game in terms of that physical runner in between the tackles, that's going to be a really big problem. Looking at the roster, you'd say Duce Staley ... would have to fill that role."

"If he makes the team," interjected fellow NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth.

"Exactly," concluded Bettis.

Tilting more toward the pass was a systemic mistake Bill Cowher's Steelers made in 2003, Bettis said.

"When they did go away from [the run], they had one of their worst years, going 6-10," he said. "I don't believe he's going to go to the extreme, but I think he's going to try to open it up a little bit more. Just because the running-back position is a different type of running back now. Willie Parker is not a pounder, 4-yards-and-cloud-of-dust kind of guy. I would hope [Cowher] wouldn't open it up as much as we did back then; that was a bad decision."

Speaking of Cowher, Bettis joked about the coach angrily telephoning him after his Aug. 13 comments on the air about the Steelers' coach potentially retiring at season's end. "He's not confiding in me about it anymore," Bettis said.

"I was just telling what I believe. We have a pretty good relationship about being able to talk through things. He told me how he felt about it. I told him how I felt about it. I don't see it as an issue.

"If I was [still] a player, it might be a problem, though

Steel Pit
09-01-2006, 06:25 AM
I've been a Bettis hater for about 4 years now. We sure as hell aren't going to miss his 2 yards per carry average. The Steelers carried him on the roster simply because oif what he did for them in the past and the fact that he took a SIGNIFICANT pay cut in his final season. I'm sure that he'll receive a BIG OLE JOLLY RECEPTION when he returns for the game Thursday night.

I couldn't care any less about what he has to say. From what I've seen he's not even an average commentator. Screw that fat bozo, I'm glad that he's gone.

bozz723
09-01-2006, 07:58 AM
How are the steelers a "totally different team" ?

STEELCRTN4EVER
09-01-2006, 08:20 AM
I think we will miss Bettis, he was and is a STEELER and wasn't afraid to pound it out. Hate him if you want but his style of play was PITTSBURGH SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL at its best. Yes, the bus had slowed but the wheels still turned.

I think this is a very different team, I sure feel that. I don't think it means we are not going repeat but I think he is right, there are a lot of things yet to be seen. Nobody thought we had a chance last year until we beat the Colts...6 to 1. HELL YEAH!

Jerome isn't wrong, we don't have the presence in the back field right now. That doesn't mean someone won't step up. I sure don't want to depend on Duce, he has been getting a welfare check since he arrived. Willie can run but we need a pounder, it is STEELER STYLE! That will only compliment our new found passing game.

BlackNGold203
09-01-2006, 08:30 AM
I've been a Bettis hater for about 4 years now. We sure as hell aren't going to miss his 2 yards per carry average. The Steelers carried him on the roster simply because oif what he did for them in the past and the fact that he took a SIGNIFICANT pay cut in his final season. I'm sure that he'll receive a BIG OLE JOLLY RECEPTION when he returns for the game Thursday night.

I couldn't care any less about what he has to say. From what I've seen he's not even an average commentator. Screw that fat bozo, I'm glad that he's gone.

I dont think you'll get alot of support for your stance around here....:cool: :cool:

Anywho...folks gotta realize...Bussy has a new job now...he has to commentate on a national level...and I believe he is trying to convince people that he is unbiased by "reporting" some of the things he has....

I'm willing to bet you...off the air...he is saying very different things....:cool: :cool:

Livinginthe past
09-01-2006, 08:41 AM
I have to admit, I was expecting to read an article where Bettis told everyone what a huge challenge it would be to repeat, but that he thought the boys would be up to the task.

Instead, we have Bettis basically saying that Pittsburgh can't get it done because of one missing factor......Bettis.

Its pretty obvious that it was preplanned for Collinsworth to throw him a nice slow pitch regarding Staley taking over his duties as the short yardage guy - which he hit out of the park.

There are references to the 6-10 season of 2003 where the balance of attack changed (532 pass , 302 rush) - and this is used as evidence why the Steelers should keep pounding it.

Of course, the Steelers also went 6-10 in 1999 - and the balance there was certainly run heavy - sometimes you just have bad years.

Perhaps the quality of QB should also be factored in.

In 1999 you had Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart sharing QB duties.

Tomczak's career stats - 88 TD's, 106 INT's - 69.9 passer rating

Stewart's career stats - 77 TD's, 84 INT's - 70.7 passer rating

In 2003 you had Tommy Maddox.

Maddox career stats - 48 TD's, 54 INT's - 72.4 passer rating

IN 2006 you will have Ben Roethlisberger.

Roeth's career stats - 34 TD's, 20 INT's - 98.3 passer rating

I think we all know that the passing game works best when you have a QB behind centre who is capable of throwing more TD's than interceptions.

To be succesful in this era, it is necessary to evolve - it is more difficult to maintain the same identity if you dont carry the same personnel.

Its going to be very tough to repeat but I dont think all of that hangs on the shoulder of Jerome Bettis retiring.

NM

LambertIsGod58
09-01-2006, 08:51 AM
First off, I don't understand the hatred of Bettis by some...Although I am unhappy about his comments in this facet. Awfully arrogant on his part to infer that they will struggle because he's gone...I do agree that the only reason Bettis stayed on his last two years was out of loyalty from the Steelers and due to his pay decrease. I truly believe that Haynes can get it done. Staley is a lost cause and needs to be wearing a silly hat selling hot dogs. It seems that in retirement...Bettis is pissin' some people off.

stlrtruck
09-01-2006, 09:00 AM
Let's face it BETTIS is no longer THE BUS that we are use to seeing and/or hearing. He's now THE MEDIA BUS. His comments are to create controversy where there is none. He has certainly done that. Although there were times that I doubted his abilities on the field, I will never dislike him for the player he was (even though he almost closed out the Indianapolis playoff game in a different way), I will hold a short leash on his commenting talents and if things like this continue to roll out of his mouth, then I will put him in the same categories as Madden, Theisman, and Collinsworth - useless bumbling idiots wasting my football game!

clevestinks
09-01-2006, 09:24 AM
How are the steelers a "totally different team" ?

Thats what I`m saying! Keisel is better than Kimo, now that Kimo is older. El wasnt that vital to our succes, and Holmes should be better. Hope was a descent player in a system that made him look good. And Bettis averaged 6.8 carries a game. Big Deal. Bettis shouldnt talk so much!

STEELCRTN4EVER
09-01-2006, 09:25 AM
I will hold a short leash on his commenting talents and if things like this continue to roll out of his mouth, then I will put him in the same categories as Madden, Theisman, and Collinsworth - useless bumbling idiots wasting my football game![/QUOTE]

EXACTLY!

Mosca
09-01-2006, 09:27 AM
The Bus will do the job that is asked of him, and do it well; just like he did for the Steelers.

The Bus' job now is what stlrtruck said; to create controversy and to put butts infront of the tube and keep them there. Expect him to excel. Request nothing more.


Tom

floodcitygirl
09-01-2006, 09:33 AM
I don't if Bettis said this just for the headline sensation with his new job or if he really thinks this way...obviously not what any Steeler fan wants to hear. Hanging out with Collinsworth hopefully won'tt have too bad of an effect....poor soul! (lol) But he's got a new job and something to prove. It's probably not going to be the last time he makes this kind of comment. Let's believe he'll be proved wrong.

Lyn
09-01-2006, 09:53 AM
#36 left some pretty heartfelt memories in my heart. I wish him nothing but the very best in all of his future endeavors.

He is now the enemy better known as the "media" He has a new job, he is paid to make startling comments. As far as audience growth goes, I sincerely do not understand what the media is all about because really and truly there are more Steeler fans watching or not watching than anyone, seems to me they would want to sweeten the pie now and then just for their audience.

HometownGal
09-01-2006, 09:57 AM
While I'm not going to sit here and say that I am overly thrilled with The Bus' comments, I'm not going to jump all over him for making them either. He is relatively new at this commentator gig and has a lot to learn as to when you hold 'em and when you fold 'em. He has gone (in a very short period of time) from the energetic, competitive player and team leader that we all have loved for years to an energetic, competitive analyst embarking on a new careeer, where his every word will be either receive accolades or scrutiny from not only his peers, but from all NFL fans who are tuned in.

I don't agree with Jerome's predictions and I'm OK with that. We always accuse Cris The Pencil Necked Geek Collinsworth, Boomer the Bleached Blonde, Deion The Pee-on and various other former NFL players turned analysts of being "homeys" and being biased towards their former teams - I think Jerome is trying to play the middle ground and not come across as a homer. No - we don't want to hear some of the things he's been saying that have been popping our party balloons, but I don't put much stock on any sports commentator's predictions, especially not during or immediately after the pre-season. Relax, folks - Jerome bleeds black and gold on the inside and you can take that to the bank. :cool:

nicesteel4life
09-01-2006, 09:59 AM
GROWL!!!!
The "Bus" has become a legend in his own mind!
What the HELL gives him the right to think he is the reason we won last year
I have loved the BUS but he is really starting to turn like my ex-wife...
Leave us alone! BUS and be your media guy, but remember 1 thing, We made you the BUS......We can taketh it away. Maybe the BUS-TURD is better now?

LambertIsGod58
09-01-2006, 10:02 AM
Bettis seems to forget as mentioned earlier in this thread, that he almost caused us to lose in Indy...If Ben hadn't saved his a**....we'd still be hunting for one for the thumb. His importance to the team was more of a motivational importance....

Man_Of_Steel
09-01-2006, 10:06 AM
All I see this is fuel to the fire. A lot of people are doubting them already, and now with Bettis saying they can't repeat, chalk this up as motivation. People say Parker can't and won't get it done, but Willie thinks and knows otherwise, he is already fired up about comments about him made by many.

You know this is going to get our guys fired up, which is exactly what we need. THANKS JEROME!

Froggy
09-01-2006, 10:10 AM
We can't repeat because we're missing the guy who says we can't repeat?

:blurp:

Man, maybe all that extra weight he was carrying the last few years was ego. It's not goo to see Collinsworth stupid rubbing off on Bettis.

SteelerFanInCA
09-01-2006, 11:36 AM
I wonder if deep down Bettis is just making these comments as motivation for The Steelers. Maybe just his way of trying to fire up the locker room. Thoughts anyone?

Jeremy
09-01-2006, 11:43 AM
Bettis is doing what NBC wants him to do.

There hasn't been a player yet who's stepped off of the field and in to the studio who hasn't had an overblown ego. Every single player talks about how good they still are and how much their old teams are going to miss them. Jerome is the same way.

The simple fact is that it's hard to repeat as Super Bowl champions no matter what has happened to your team. If we break out the gates 4-1 or 5-1, a lot of this can't repeat nonsense will go away.

Man_Of_Steel
09-01-2006, 11:45 AM
I wonder if deep down Bettis is just making these comments as motivation for The Steelers. Maybe just his way of trying to fire up the locker room. Thoughts anyone?

Thats what I just said.

augustashark
09-01-2006, 11:52 AM
3 pages of posts so far.......He and nbc are getting what they set out for......

Man_Of_Steel
09-01-2006, 11:56 AM
3 pages of posts so far.......He and nbc are getting what they set out for......


3 pages? I only see 1.

Jeremy
09-01-2006, 11:58 AM
3 pages of posts so far.......He and nbc are getting what they set out for......

Pretty much. NBC is of such poor quality anyway that shock value and controvery were going to be the only ways that they could pull in viewers. Sooner or later, Bettis will start to feel comfortable in his new role and he'll move away from being Ebersol's puppet and be himself. Until then, he's saying what Dick and the rest of the suits in New York want him to say to draw ratings for a terrible pre-game show.

RoethlisBURGHer
09-01-2006, 03:32 PM
He's got to do what his employer tells him to do,and if NBC tells him to make a contreversy about a certain subject,he has to.

I also think he doesn't want to come off as a homer like so many other former players turned analysts do.

Jeremy
09-01-2006, 03:33 PM
I also think he doesn't want to come off as a homer like so many other former players turned analysts do.

He works with the two biggest homers in the entire world of boradcasting.

HometownGal
09-01-2006, 03:43 PM
I also think he doesn't want to come off as a homer like so many other former players turned analysts do.

He works with the two biggest homers in the entire world of boradcasting.

That was exactly my point, Jeremy. It isn't out of the realm of possibility to think that quite possibly Jerome is attempting to come across differently than the two pissants he works alongside.

Jeremy
09-01-2006, 03:46 PM
I think he's still suffereing from player's ego. Everytime a player retires and moves to the studio or booth, they suffer from it. Deion Sanders had it so bad, he went back to the NFL. It's something that fades in time and former players find their own voice and learn to curb their formerly massive egos.

Midnightwriter07
09-01-2006, 04:39 PM
Bettis isnt saying anything more than what everyone else who are not Steelers fans arent saying.... The short yardage and big back theory. It worked for us last year.. that wasnt enough in prior years with the Bus. Love him as a Steeler, but he is a commentator now and he isnt saying what anyone else isnt. Very few have us winning the division much less the Superbowl. Coach Cowher said something like , " we probably wern't the best team in football last year, but we were the best at the right time" Which is fine with me... each year i just actually hope we make the playoffs cause i hate sitting at home watching everyne else play and all the excitement and not being a part of it.

Will go liek this ... we win early, then will be " the Steelers didnt lose anything.. we lose early and everyone is going to say.. see you cant win without that bruisig back ect ect ... every SuperBowl team has to go through the media knocking them down a few notches cause everyone wants to see the team on top go down.. is just a fact.

Ambridge
09-01-2006, 04:55 PM
I loved Jerome as a player but I don't like the way he's starting off as an "analyst".

Hey Jerome!! Ease into the job the first season and don't be a network puppet.

WWIIOwheelz
09-01-2006, 06:13 PM
Duce is no Jerome, but please..... depth at RB isn't rocket science. Verron Haynes is the man, I just knew it when I saw him run last season. He's going to cause quite a stir this year.

No ill will towards JB, and I'll bet he is, in fact, motivating the guys. Cowher will use that as motivation more than once, I'm sure.

Still seems strange hearing him say that about a team that took him for a dream ride to end his career. I keep seeing him telling Hines, on the bench, "Get to the ONE! Get to the ONE!!1" *laughing*

Oh well.... we love him, but that kinda hurts.

clevestinks
09-01-2006, 07:28 PM
I great players does noet always mean a great commentator. Take Rod Woodson, he is boring. Bettis must just be trying to make a name for himself, and wants to show that he is not bias, but he may be stupid. Or maybe he thinks that our whole team revolved around him??????????????????????????????????????????????///

MattsMe
09-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Some of these posts make me wonder if we're all reading the same article. It was funny that the title is "Super repeat? Unlikely says Bettis" yet nowhere in the article does Bettis say it is unlikely that we'll repeat. Many people seemed to have missed this. In any case, I'd rather hear Bussie being honest than being a homer.

MattsMe
09-01-2006, 10:26 PM
His retirement, Bettis said, and the lack of a Bus-like halfback could cause the Steelers to alter their style.

"Obviously ... not having that closer in there late in games, that is significant in shortening games," he said. "If they don't have that ability to shorten the game in terms of that physical runner in between the tackles, that's going to be a really big problem. Looking at the roster, you'd say Duce Staley ... would have to fill that role."

"If he makes the team," interjected fellow NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth.

"Exactly," concluded Bettis.

Its pretty obvious that it was preplanned for Collinsworth to throw him a nice slow pitch regarding Staley taking over his duties as the short yardage guy - which he hit out of the park.

NM

:huh: Seriously though, um..what the hell are you talking about?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
09-01-2006, 10:28 PM
Never thought i would see the day steeler fans talking bad about the BUS......Shame on you!!!

clevestinks
09-01-2006, 10:34 PM
Never thought i would see the day steeler fans talking bad about the BUS......Shame on you!!!

Bettis the player and teammate I wouldnt shame. But him saying Cowher is retiring, we wont repeat and things like that. I don`t respect. Not to mention the SuperBowl, don`t get me wrong here, but the week of the SB, you would have thought it was about Bettis and only Bettis. Him uncharterictically walking around the field in a three piece double breasted suit and hat, the cigar he was carrying, it seemed the whole thing was about him and he wasnt taking it seriuosly. Maybe its just me.

83-Steelers-43
09-01-2006, 11:33 PM
A few points.

I did not agree with Jerome's actions whe he responded to Cowher's retirement speculations. In my opinion, that's personal (between Cowher and the Rooney's). It's a little different than voicing your opinion on who he thinks is going to win the Super Bowl. Would I care if any other person speculated? No. But this guy just came off a Super Bowl victory. Obviously Cowher was not very pleased.

Personally, I don't care if he doesn't feel we can win the Super Bowl. Although I was sort of turned off by his comments which came off in my opinion as "you can't win a Super Bowl minus my presence". He's part of the media now, let him talk and speculate.

Then again, anybody is better than that blowhard, crackhead Michael Irvin.

I know Bettis is at a Greek God's status in this city, but that's just my two cents.

clevestinks
09-02-2006, 08:16 AM
A few points.

I did not agree with Jerome's actions whe he responded to Cowher's retirement speculations. In my opinion, that's personal (between Cowher and the Rooney's). It's a little different than voicing your opinion on who he thinks is going to win the Super Bowl. Would I care if any other person speculated? No. But this guy just came off a Super Bowl victory. Obviously Cowher was not very pleased.

Personally, I don't care if he doesn't feel we can win the Super Bowl. Although I was sort of turned off by his comments which came off in my opinion as "you can't win a Super Bowl minus my presence". He's part of the media now, let him talk and speculate.

Then again, anybody is better than that blowhard, crackhead Michael Irvin.

I know Bettis is at a Greek God's status in this city, but that's just my two cents.

Your right. And Bettis needs to think and not just be a puppet and say things that people want to hear! Be your own man Bus. In the playoff run last year. It wasnt the Bus who stepped it up, actually he almost cost us the whole thing!

Livinginthe past
09-02-2006, 08:28 AM
:huh: Seriously though, um..what the hell are you talking about?

What I am saying is; that is was a pre-arranged set-piece involving Collinsworth and Bettis.

There was nothing spontaneous about it.

Jerome's whole point was based around there not being anyone on the roster that is capable of filling his role on the team, and that Staley is the nearest option.

Collinsworth then intimates that even Staley cannot fulfil this role as he spends so much time injured.

Which Jerome then 'grudgingly' agrees to.

Bottom line?

The Steelers will not be able to close out games using the running game without Bettis on the roster.

NM

OX1947
09-02-2006, 01:01 PM
Bettis is using reverse psychology knowing that the Steelers always win when everyone says they will suck. I have already predicted that the Steelers will go 2-14 this year so, who's with me.....?

MattsMe
09-02-2006, 11:04 PM
I'm curious if anyone else reads this:

"Looking at the roster, you'd say Duce Staley ... would have to fill that role."

"If he makes the team," interjected fellow NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth.

"Exactly," concluded Bettis.


And comes away with this:



Collinsworth then intimates that even Staley cannot fulfil this role as he spends so much time injured.

Which Jerome then 'grudgingly' agrees to.

Seriously, anyone? Anyone at all? Just curious.

SteelersFire
09-03-2006, 05:10 PM
I don't know, I liked Bettis and still do. He wasn't a "star" in the sense that he blew everyone away with his abilities like some, but he got it done and we all relied on him for simply that. His absence is, no pun intended, a big hole to fill and I'm sure there will be a bunch of times this coming season where more than one of us will be thinking "If only we'd had Bettis on that play!"

As far as his comments, he never struck me as arrogant - more the opposite, in fact. Like everyone else he's just trying to make his way in the world and right now his world is drastically different than anything else he's ever known or done. Maybe this won't be the right thing for him, but he still needs a chance to find his niche.

And as an aside, when you think about it, it really is a "different team" every year. Isn't it?