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Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 10:33 AM
0-5....The Bengals inability to get fourth-quarter stops is one reason they were 0-5 in games they trailed after three quarters (including their play-off loss to PITT). No wonder they ponied up the big bucks for supersized Sam Adams. (credit ESPN The Mag).

Somebody say something about the Steelers/Ben's ability to come back in games?? hmm. The silence is deafening.

bigbensgirl7
09-07-2006, 11:06 AM
some things never change. As soon as things start going bad, they sit and cry and fight amoungst theirselves instead of trying to overcome adversity!!! Also, the all so wonderful Palmer is not a QB with the leadership and ablitlty to play from behind-YEP I SAID IT!!!!!

Livinginthe past
09-07-2006, 11:30 AM
Here are some interesting stats related to this debate.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/globe.asp?c=globe&page=nfl/stat/stats2.htm

Lets compare the Bengals and the Steelers results when they trail or are tied after the 2nd and 3rd quarters.


Behind or tied after 2 quarters

Steelers 1-3
Bengals 2-4

Behind or tied after 3 quarters

Steelers 0-4
Bengals 2-4

I think this makes a strong case for the Bengals and Palmer being the better at making comebacks

However I am not too sure how the stats relate exactly to the games Ben played - suffice to say that he definitely didnt engineer any 4th quarter comebacks last year in the regular season.

NM





Steelers

Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Week 5 Trailing in San Diego 22-21 going into the 4th quarter, Ben lead a drive that put his team into field goal range for the win. Steelers rally to beat the Chargers.

That qualifies as a 4th quarter comeback.

tony hipchest
09-07-2006, 12:13 PM
However I am not too sure how the stats relate exactly to the games Ben played - suffice to say that he definitely didnt engineer any 4th quarter comebacks last year in the regular season.

NM





Steelersthats cool how you bolded any.

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- It's a good thing the Bus is back, because now the Pittsburgh Steelers could be without Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger was helped off the field with an apparent knee injury shortly before Jeff Reed kicked a 40-yard field goal with 6 seconds left to give the Steelers a 24-22 win over the San Diego Chargers on Monday night.

Roethlisberger thrust both fists in the air in celebration from the bench, his left leg wrapped in ice and bandages.




``He laid it on the line,'' receiver Hines Ward said of the second-year quarterback. ``He's lying there hurt on the ground, and he said to me, 'At least we're in field goal range.'''

Steelers coach Bill Cowher had no information on the exact nature or severity of his QB's injury.

``It looked bad from what I saw up on the screen,'' Cowher said.

Trailing 22-21 in the fourth quarter, Roethlisberger moved the Steelers into San Diego territory and had completed a 9-yard pass to Antwaan Randle El when he was hit on the knee by the helmet of Chargers rookie lineman Luis Castillo.

nice try. now you can admit you were clearly wrong or try to spin it that there are 2 different definitions to "engineering game winning drives" and this one dont qualify

Livinginthe past
09-07-2006, 01:28 PM
Week 5 Trailing in San Diego 22-21 going into the 4th quarter, Ben lead a drive that put his team into field goal range for the win. Steelers rally to beat the Chargers.

That qualifies as a 4th quarter comeback.

I looked it up on nfl.com

The Steelers were leading 14-13 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051010_PIT@SD

NM

tony hipchest
09-07-2006, 01:58 PM
I looked it up on nfl.com

The Steelers were leading 14-13 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20051010_PIT@SD

NMwell thats great and all but if you correctly read the 1st post which said:



"0-5....The Bengals inability to get fourth-quarter stops is one reason they were 0-5 in games they trailed after three quarters (including their play-off loss to PITT). No wonder they ponied up the big bucks for supersized Sam Adams. (credit ESPN The Mag).

Somebody say something about the Steelers/Ben's ability to come back in games?? hmm. The silence is deafening."

(note the key word "after") you will see you are mistakingly trying to knock down someones very valid point (again).

and may the distortion continue...

SteelerFanInCA
09-07-2006, 02:45 PM
well thats great and all but if you correctly read the 1st post which said:



"0-5....The Bengals inability to get fourth-quarter stops is one reason they were 0-5 in games they trailed after three quarters (including their play-off loss to PITT). No wonder they ponied up the big bucks for supersized Sam Adams. (credit ESPN The Mag).

Somebody say something about the Steelers/Ben's ability to come back in games?? hmm. The silence is deafening."

(note the key word "after") you will see you are mistakingly trying to knock down someones very valid point (again).

and may the distortion continue...

It's clear as day. It says "4th quarter" comebacks.

Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 03:17 PM
I've come to the opinion that the Bungles fans are expert spin-doctors.

Livinginthe past
09-07-2006, 04:13 PM
I've come to the opinion that the Bungles fans are expert spin-doctors.

Which Bungles fans might they be?

Even if I was to charitably credit the Steelers with that comeback victory that would still make the score 2-1 to Cincy.

I have got that right haven't I?

2-1 to cincy in 4th quarter comebacks?

Maybe Cincy have other comebacks in the 4th quarter that fall outside the original remit - who knows?

Maybe cantstop85 or someone could research that.

NM

Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 04:16 PM
But your original post stated 0 4th quarter comebacks. Therein lies the discrepancy that was all too easy to point out.

Livinginthe past
09-07-2006, 09:15 PM
Like I say - ill give you that as sign of my generosity to those in need - though it still means that the Steelers lose to the Bengals on the 4th quarter comeback contest.

I think you'll find out thats whats most important.

NM

Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 09:27 PM
Nah..what's MOST important is our 5th World Championship.

Livinginthe past
09-07-2006, 09:57 PM
Ha ha.

Yeah ok.

NM

Tankus_Maximus
09-07-2006, 10:13 PM
No..it's not ok.

It's great.

tony hipchest
09-08-2006, 11:42 AM
Like I say - ill give you that as sign of my generosity to those in need - though it still means that the Steelers lose to the Bengals on the 4th quarter comeback contest.

I think you'll find out thats whats most important.

NM

no thats not whats most important cause thats not what you said. remember when you got all over LLT for his little guffaw excluding seymore in his list? it goes both ways, so dont be hypocritical.

by the way guess who came back from a 4th quarter deficit yesterday? thats right! the STEELERS. i guess it just goes to prove that if big ben were in there they wouldve never trailed in the 1st place and we would be trailing the mighty bengals in this ever so important stat. :rolleyes:

Tankus_Maximus
09-08-2006, 11:22 PM
I've said it before...I'll say it again..."RACK HIM!". Tony's ALWAYS got the facts right. Tony..Tony Soprano?

SteelCityMan786
09-08-2006, 11:24 PM
Here are some interesting stats related to this debate.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/globe.asp?c=globe&page=nfl/stat/stats2.htm

Lets compare the Bengals and the Steelers results when they trail or are tied after the 2nd and 3rd quarters.


Behind or tied after 2 quarters

Steelers 1-3
Bengals 2-4

Behind or tied after 3 quarters

Steelers 0-4
Bengals 2-4

I think this makes a strong case for the Bengals and Palmer being the better at making comebacks

However I am not too sure how the stats relate exactly to the games Ben played - suffice to say that he definitely didnt engineer any 4th quarter comebacks last year in the regular season.

NM





Steelers

LITP Bengals and Steelers Total Rings in the last 30 Years

Steelers 5
Bengals Benchwarming

Tankus_Maximus
09-08-2006, 11:33 PM
I believe that is.....SCOREBOARD.

MattsMe
09-09-2006, 01:05 AM
well thats great and all but if you correctly read the 1st post which said:



"0-5....The Bengals inability to get fourth-quarter stops is one reason they were 0-5 in games they trailed after three quarters (including their play-off loss to PITT). No wonder they ponied up the big bucks for supersized Sam Adams. (credit ESPN The Mag).

Somebody say something about the Steelers/Ben's ability to come back in games?? hmm. The silence is deafening."

(note the key word "after") you will see you are mistakingly trying to knock down someones very valid point (again).

and may the distortion continue...

But Tony, if you told someone to be at work, "at 8 o'clock" and another one "after 8 o'clock" wouldn't you expect the second person to show up at the same time as the first? :sofunny:

Personally I'm amazed at the way LITP translates some of the things he reads. I would have assumed English was his native tongue.

Tankus_Maximus
09-09-2006, 11:10 AM
Seems like every opposing team/rival supporter that comes in here has to be a spin-doctor.

tony hipchest
09-09-2006, 12:53 PM
Personally I'm amazed at the way LITP translates some of the things he reads. I would have assumed English was his native tongue. im sure its all our fault. maybe its that wierd accent we type with.

Tankus_Maximus
09-09-2006, 08:36 PM
That's assuming they're literate. And if they're Bengals fans, that's assuming ALOT.