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I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-10-2006, 03:25 PM
Was just watching the Chiefs/Bengals game and trent green took off running with the ball and did the QB slide and Robert Gathers came in with a late hit no penalty of course they carted Greene off on a stretcher. What is it about if a QB slides you can't hit him these guys don't understand. Downright dirty hit.

steelerdude
09-10-2006, 04:16 PM
Now THAT looked like a cheap shot to me!

BlackNGold203
09-10-2006, 04:41 PM
way cheap..Geathers went after his head and got it....

klick81
09-10-2006, 04:57 PM
No flag huh. Let's see the Bungles cry about that one.

CrackBabyWillieParker
09-10-2006, 05:57 PM
Of course it's ok when Kimo does it, and wraps his arms around a knee and twists it.

I can't imagine whey there would be any such bias here? Go figure.

Run downfield and slide at the last second near defenders and that might just happen.

I hope Trent recovers soon.

Petesburgh66
09-10-2006, 08:14 PM
Bias? Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot. If it was a cheap shot, he would have been fined you dolt.

Geathers was a cheap shot. Most of the KC players are calling it a cheap shot as well.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-10-2006, 09:01 PM
And I don't blame them it was a blatant cheap shot to the head. They got a video of it on the NFL.com website....

CHIEFS ON THE WARPATH

Peter King of NBC's Football Night in America reports that the Kansas City Chiefs are "incensed" regarding the hit that was placed on quarterback Trent Green.

G.M. Carl Peterson told King that he plans to call the league office to demand an acknowledgement that the brain-busting smack placed on Green by Bengals defensive end Robert Geathers was a violation of the rules, and that the officials erred by not throwing a flag on the play.

Peterson also told Peter-san that Green will be doubtful for next weekend's game at Denver, with a concussion.

The Chiefs need to get a veteran quarterback signed, pronto. The options include Mike McMahon (ugh), Tommy Maddox (double ugh), and Jeff George (maybe they should just run the single wing).

BlackNGold203
09-10-2006, 09:10 PM
And I don't blame them it was a blatant cheap shot to the head. They got a video of it on the NFL.com website....

CHIEFS ON THE WARPATH

Peter King of NBC's Football Night in America reports that the Kansas City Chiefs are "incensed" regarding the hit that was placed on quarterback Trent Green.

G.M. Carl Peterson told King that he plans to call the league office to demand an acknowledgement that the brain-busting smack placed on Green by Bengals defensive end Robert Geathers was a violation of the rules, and that the officials erred by not throwing a flag on the play.

Peterson also told Peter-san that Green will be doubtful for next weekend's game at Denver, with a concussion.

The Chiefs need to get a veteran quarterback signed, pronto. The options include Mike McMahon (ugh), Tommy Maddox (double ugh), and Jeff George (maybe they should just run the single wing).


I dunno..Huard threw for more yards than Palmer...:sofunny: :sofunny: :sofunny:

Ohio Steeler
09-10-2006, 09:26 PM
Now THAT looked like a cheap shot to me!

I want to know why the Ref did not throw the flag on that

CantStop85
09-10-2006, 11:02 PM
Bias? Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot. If it was a cheap shot, he would have been fined you dolt.

Geathers was a cheap shot.
So Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot because he didn't get fined for it...but Geathers was even though there wasn't a penalty called?

Quoi?

BlackNGold203
09-10-2006, 11:09 PM
So Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot because he didn't get fined for it...but Geathers was even though there wasn't a penalty called?

Quoi?

Kimo's wasnt cheap because he ACTUALLY got blocked into Palmer...

PLEASE dont tell me..after watching replays..that you still think your man was blocked into green...

I actually respect your football knowledge CS...please dont tell me you actually believe that?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
09-10-2006, 11:26 PM
does anyone have a link to the hit????

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-10-2006, 11:30 PM
**Geathers said the hit was unintentional. Though Geathers could be subjected to a fine for a making a helmet-to-helmet hit on a quarterback who was sliding feet first, the Bengals are going to argue that Geathers couldn't stop because Kennison pushed him.** yeah right he was pushed...okay

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2582288

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-10-2006, 11:48 PM
does anyone have a link to the hit????

go to NFL.com under headlines you'll see the article "Chief's take Green off field on stretcher" right next to that is "video" click on it and you'll see the hit not right away but it is shown pretty early in the video.

X-Terminator
09-11-2006, 12:37 AM
So Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot because he didn't get fined for it...but Geathers was even though there wasn't a penalty called?

Quoi?

Um, it's a cheap shot because the rule says it is. It's called hitting a defenseless player - in this case, a QB who had clearly given himself up by sliding. You probably aren't old enough to remember the hit that was directly responsible for that rule being put in, but I do, and the Geathers hit was eerily similar to it. Why there was no flag thrown on it, I'll never know, because there definitely should have been. This is twice now that this has happened - the hit on Batch and now this one - and the referees have kept the flag in their pockets, which is just BS and more evidence of their incompetence. It's also BS that Geathers was pushed into Green - he had already dipped his shoulder and head to hit him before Kennison even touched him. He may not have intended to hurt Green, but he sure as hell intended to hit him.

Petesburgh66
09-11-2006, 01:25 AM
No way Geathers got blocked into Green with all that force to cause a concussion. Pushed perhaps, but not blocked. And I have seen the replay a few times. If you get blocked, your balance is shifted. Just think back the last time you got pushed. I assume you were stumbling to regain your balance and not torpedoed forwarded. Geathers went in with the intent to hit Trent. But he didn't stumble or 1990's bungal his way in in there. Therefore, it's still a late hit and in my books a cheap shot. If this was Manning or Brady, you would have seen a yellow flag.

The JoKeR
09-11-2006, 03:07 AM
as much as i hate the bengals ... and as much as it sucks to say it ... but the bengals player was pushed into him ... he was running full speed, but never dove towards green ... he was pushed into him and the force of geathers pushing green into the ground caused the concussion ...

steelerdude
09-11-2006, 08:08 AM
as much as i hate the bengals ... and as much as it sucks to say it ... but the bengals player was pushed into him ... he was running full speed, but never dove towards green ... he was pushed into him and the force of geathers pushing green into the ground caused the concussion ...


What game were you watching?

CantStop85
09-11-2006, 12:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITlKJko7mo
Slow down this video to where he got hit...it looks like there's a chiefs player right behind him...either way, it appears he isn't trying to directly hit Trent and it wasn't a direct helmet to helmet hit.

The JoKeR
09-11-2006, 01:03 PM
What game were you watching?

The same game that clearly shows kennison knocking geathers into green ....

klick81
09-11-2006, 01:19 PM
Here's a better shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrzOrPUfX4&mode=related&search=

Although he is pushed, i DO NOT think the push was significant enough to change Geather's trajectory. He was already on his way to making the hit. But hey, i'll leave it at that. If it was an accidental hit, now the Bungles know how it feels to be accused of taking a cheap shot when it was clean.

SteelerFanInCA
09-11-2006, 02:16 PM
I don't think that push made a difference. I think the ground did more damage to Green than Geather's hit.

Sharkissle29
09-11-2006, 02:30 PM
So Kimo's hit wasn't a cheap shot because he didn't get fined for it...but Geathers was even though there wasn't a penalty called?

Quoi?
if u dont geathers shot was a cheap shot then u are an idiot....hes gettin fined

Petesburgh66
09-11-2006, 06:47 PM
Here's a better shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrzOrPUfX4&mode=related&search=

Although he is pushed, i DO NOT think the push was significant enough to change Geather's trajectory. He was already on his way to making the hit.

It's the way I saw it as well.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-11-2006, 11:49 PM
Guess it's a lot worse than first thought.

Chiefs' Green out indefinitely
By DOUG TUCKER, AP Sports Writer
September 11, 2006

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Trent Green sustained a "very, very severe concussion" when his head was slammed into the ground by Cincinnati's Robert Geathers and will be hospitalized at least until Tuesday, the Kansas City Chiefs said.

"He's feeling much better," Chiefs President Carl Peterson said Monday. "But he has a very king-sized headache. Hopefully he'll be able to go home tomorrow."

The two-time Pro bowl quarterback will be listed as questionable this week at Denver. Peterson said he didn't know when Green might return.

Losing Green for long could be devastating to the Chiefs. Starting at Denver will be journeyman Damon Huard, who until Sunday had not completed a pass in the NFL since Dec. 24, 2000. Behind Huard are rookies Brodie Croyle and Casey Printers, both of whom were unimpressive in the preseason.

"There's no question this will test the football team," Peterson said. "Trent Green has been a tremendous leader for us both on and off the field. We're anticipating that Trent will get through this and get well and be back with us. At this point, though, I wouldn't put any time on it."

Protected by an outstanding offensive line and surrounded by stars such as Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzalez, Green started 80 straight games from 2001-2005, while Kansas City gained more yards (30,470), scored more touchdowns (262) and rushed for more TDs (131) than any other team in the league.

Joining the Chiefs from St. Louis after surviving a career-threatening injury and undergoing four knee operations, Green passed for 20,117 yards and 111 touchdowns from 2001-2005 -- numbers exceeded only by Peyton Manning.

"It will be a day-to-day, week-to-week evaluation by the doctors," said Peterson. "Thank goodness he had no problems with his limbs."

Meanwhile, talk continued over the hit that knocked Green unconscious in the third quarter of Cincinnati's 23-10 victory.

Green, 36, one of the oldest starting quarterbacks in the NFL, was going feet-first into a hook slide right in front of the Chiefs bench. Geathers, possibly pushed from behind at least somewhat by Kansas City wide receiver Eddie Kennison, came flying in. Geathers' right shoulder slammed Green's chest and head and snapped the back of Green's head violently to the turf.

Officials did not call a foul, explaining to the enraged Chiefs sideline that Geathers' momentum had carried him into the player.

"In my opinion, I think it was a late hit. I think it was obviously a very vicious hit," Peterson said, "one that unfortunately Trent Green and the Kansas City Chiefs are paying a price for."

Peterson said he had reviewed film of the play Monday with league officials.

"They're drawing their conclusion and will make their decision later in the week," he said.

Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer said Monday that he had tried to call Green. When Palmer sustained a devastating knee injury last January, Green called him with advice and encouragement.

"Everything I've heard is good," Palmer said. "I heard that he regained consciousness in the locker room, and he's going to be OK."

Palmer also defended Geathers.

"Knowing Robert, he's not a guy who likes to take cheap shots or really ever does take cheap shots. He was trying to make a tackle, he kind of got (blocked) low, almost like he fell into him. When you're 280 pounds and you're falling into a quarterback, something bad's going to happen. There's nothing you can do in that situation."

Gonzalez said he didn't think it was a cheap shot. "He didn't hit him with his helmet," he added.

But Peterson, and many other Kansas City players, had a different view.

"I think the quarterback was trying to slide, which he's instructed to do. The minute he starts that, the defensive player is supposed to get off, to back off any type of hitting or touching the quarterback," he said.

X-Terminator
09-12-2006, 02:55 AM
"Knowing Robert, he's not a guy who likes to take cheap shots or really ever does take cheap shots. He was trying to make a tackle, he kind of got (blocked) low, almost like he fell into him. When you're 280 pounds and you're falling into a quarterback, something bad's going to happen. There's nothing you can do in that situation."


Anyone else spot the irony in this statement?

HometownGal
09-13-2006, 06:05 PM
I think the speculation about the hit on Trent Green can now be laid to rest, at least as far as the NFL is concerned. We don't have to agree with it, but it is what it is.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9658555

Sliding-QB rules reiterated to NFL teams

(Sept. 13, 2006) -- The NFL released the following statement by Senior Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson:

As a result of a play in the Kansas City-Cincinnati game and another in the Seattle-Detroit game last Sunday also involving a sliding quarterback, clubs were reminded today of the importance of defenders and quarterbacks understanding their respective responsibilities in the sliding quarterback situation.

Player safety is an ongoing point of emphasis in our league. On sliding quarterback plays, the responsibility of defenders is to avoid a sliding quarterback while the responsibility of the quarterback is to use the protection properly. This rule will continue to be strictly enforced and violations are likely to result in disciplinary action.

The injury to quarterback Trent Green in the Kansas City-Cincinnati game was unfortunate and has drawn much commentary, but it is not a foul.

An extensive review of this play showed that Green began a late slide as Robert Geathers of the Bengals broke down to tackle him. Simultaneously, the defender was blocked in the back by a Kansas City player. As a result of the block in the back, Geathers was no longer in complete control of his body. Anticipating contact with the sliding quarterback, Geathers twisted his torso in order to avoid helmet-to-helmet contact or driving his helmet into Green's body. Nonetheless, Geathers' right shoulder contacted Green's right shoulder, driving Green's upper body and head into the ground.

In other instances this contact might be illegal, since a defensive player has the responsibility to avoid unnecessary contact even when he is blocked by an opponent. However, in this case, the late slide and the block in the back were mitigating factors.

The play in the Seattle-Detroit game provided examples both of the type of act that will result in a penalty (and potential fine) and of the preferred type of act by a defender attempting to avoid contact. After Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck left the pocket and ran up the middle, with defenders in front of and behind him, he began his slide. The defender in front of the quarterback, Ernie Sims of Detroit, had the opportunity to avoid contact, but instead drove his helmet into the quarterback, resulting in a 15-yard penalty for unnecessary roughness. In contrast, the trailing Lions defender, Cory Redding, leapt over the sliding quarterback in order to avoid contact. This play is being reviewed by our office for a possible fine.

All NFL clubs were reminded today of two important aspects of the sliding quarterback rule:

1. When a runner begins to slide feet-first, a defensive player must pull up and avoid unnecessary contact. Rule 7, Section 4, Article 1 provides that the ball is dead and the down ended when any part of a sliding runner's body, other than his hands or feet, touches the ground. This rule was created in 1985 to provide additional protection for a sliding runner by ending the down prior to contact by a defensive player. Therefore, as our Officiating Department has conveyed to coaches, players, and officials at league meetings and clinics for many years, a sliding quarterback should be treated the same as a runner who has been downed. Though it is not necessary for a defensive player to touch the runner to end the down, this does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender makes some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by driving his forearm into the runner.

2. Quarterbacks who desire to take advantage of the protection provided to a sliding runner are responsible for starting their slide before contact by a defensive player is imminent. After the current rule was passed in 1985, some quarterbacks began using a "late slide." Whereas the rule was intended to provide protection for a quarterback who elects to end a run in order to avoid potentially injurious contact, some quarterbacks sought to gain as many yards as possible before beginning a slide when defenders were already close at hand. In the 1989 Competition Committee Report, the committee addressed this problem and reminded the clubs that the sliding quarterback had the obligation "to make his intentions clear;" if he did not, and waited until the last moment to begin his slide, he put himself "in jeopardy of being tackled like a regular ball carrier."

tony hipchest
09-13-2006, 09:52 PM
maybe the bengalfans will finally stop bitching an whining over what was an inevitable defeat at the hands of the steelers.

RoethlisBURGHer
09-14-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't know if it was cheap or not...but the push didn't bend Geathers over to try and lay the smack down on Trent Green.

When the QB slides,he says I AM DOWN,DO NOT HIT ME!Geathers,I feel,was looking to wollop him,you don't go that low to hit someone who is standing up,he knew he was sliding.

But if he was pushed,it negated any intent to hit a sliding Trent Green,therefore there was no penalty and no fine for being "dirty" by the NFL...however the court of public opinion (Bengals and Chiefs fans not counting) say the hit was dirty.

Truthfully,I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bengals having more defensive plays on the line of "dirty/cheap shot" and "horrible to do,but technically legal/horrible to do but accidental so no flag (via being pushed,tripping,etc)" this season.I think thier defense is just that kinda defense.