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tony hipchest
09-11-2006, 12:03 PM
sure its too early in the season to tell who is gonna continue to play like they did in week 1, but so is making pre season superbowl predictions. some teams wont live up to the early prognosticators and know it all's hype. other teams were ignored or even written off. now is my turn to play prognosticator after what i saw in real game action. here are some teams who will be worse than expected and others who will be better.

UNDERRATED

STEELERS- it was all doom and gloom for a team that couldnt manage a pre season win. their offensive philosophy was rendered useless with the departure of the buss and randle el. willie parker was too small and couldnt carry the load, and the star qb was sidelined with an innefective supposedly "too old" back up qb. however, with just 2 monday night games remaining, they managed to put up the 2nd highest point total of week 1. a fumble at the 1 yd line, 1 missed field goal, and a sack taking them out of fg range prevented them from hanging up 41 points on what was said to be a pretty good defense.

RAVENS- people have already put mcnair in a hospital bed and ray lewis in a retirement home, however i saw them on the field. along with a healthy jamal lewis and an attacking defense, they will not be over looked or taken lightly by anyone.

EAGLES- sure they played the texans, but they were predicted by many to finish right where they were in '05 - last in the nfc east. donnovan is healthy, stallworth was getting open like t.o. westbrook was westbrook. but what this team has is incredible talent and depth of the lines on both sides of the ball. the players will be fresh and an injury here will not cripple them.

ATLANTA- their defensive acquisitions have been ignored. the fact that they have pretty much owned carolina other than the 2 games last year has been forgotten. oh, and theyre one of the best teams at running the ball. it is a mistake to look at mike vick like he is kyle boller.

OVERRATED

CAROLINA- the sexy pick to win the SB. theyre not as much overrated as atlanta is written off. carolina could sweep through the playoffs but the roadblock could be waiting in atlanta. if they are that dependant on 1 player (s. smith or a rb) for wins, they could be in trouble. anyone suprised dan morgan gets hurt again?

DALLAS- they lost 3 games last year just because they have no kicker. now they have 2. t.o.'s points alone were supposed to make up for the 3 games they lost by a fg. theyre supposed to have one of the most feared defenses in the league that rivals the 86 giants. parcells HAS to win it all, right? WRONG! forget the t.o.pera, bigger issues prevail such as a pourous offensive line and bledsoes mistakes. how much can owens take?

DENVER- jake plummer. theyre still favored to win their division and people still think last years afc champ game was a fluke. their defense can be proud they only held the rams to 6 scoring drives and 7 fg attempts. teams will eventually convert thise into td's

PATRIOTS- last year we saw indy and san diego erase the pats home field advantage and now the bills almost pull off the upset? the patriots should feel lucky that they face plenty of qb's of the calibur of jp losman who proved he still cant get out of his own way. unfortunately for the pats is the jets no longer seem to be one of those teams with a healthy "noodle arm" at the helm. and culpepper is much better than frerotte. they didnt look like they have the strongest defensive front 7 against a rather weak bills o-line. the lack of receivers will have brady holding on to the ball just a bit longer. hit him early and mistakes are bound to follow.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-11-2006, 12:35 PM
Good Post.
It might be too early to declare Atlanta as underrrated, they seem to implode about halfway through the season..and I think that Carolina played soooo bad that it made them look really good. Dallas and the Pats were definatly a dissapointment...but again I think that they will step up here soon.

Denver is my pick as overrated ...and I put that on plummers shoulders...looks like the old Jake the Snake that appeared in the AFCCG may be here to stay!! Their saving grace is that they have Cutler in the wings who I still think is the best QB drafted this year.

Ambridge
09-11-2006, 12:39 PM
I definately agree Denver is overrated and I'm tempted to put the St. Louis Rams(who beat Denver yesterday) on my underrated list.

I hate the Ravens but they deserve to be on the Underrated List.
As long as McNair stays healthy they will be a contender to win the division.
Gotta give some respect to Jacksonville as well.......they looked good yesterday and most everyone blows them off because they're in the same division as Indy.
The Steelers will have their hands full against the Jags next Monday Night.

SteelerFanInCA
09-11-2006, 03:28 PM
I definately agree Denver is overrated and I'm tempted to put the St. Louis Rams(who beat Denver yesterday) on my underrated list.

I hate the Ravens but they deserve to be on the Underrated List.
As long as McNair stays healthy they will be a contender to win the division.
Gotta give some respect to Jacksonville as well.......they looked good yesterday and most everyone blows them off because they're in the same division as Indy.
The Steelers will have their hands full against the Jags next Monday Night.

The Ravens will be tough. They seem to always give us a good game.

augustashark
09-11-2006, 04:03 PM
I think that Arizona and be the Bengals of 06, they have enough on offense to keep up with any team in the NFL. I know that Seattle will more than likely win the west, but don't count out Arizona.

With out Green KC will be in a world of trouble, Johnson or not.

Houston? geez! I'm not one that thinks that Bush would have made this team that much better! That O-Line is just plain BAD! They could have Palmer at QB and LT at RB and they still would not win!

tony hipchest
09-17-2006, 09:18 PM
add miami to the overrated list. this team sucks just like last year and the year before. sure they may pull out some mid-late season magic against sorry teams but they dont have the stones to compete in the afc.

i thought the homefield advantage plus mularkey being so familiar with the personnel would give them an adge to atleast keep a game close.

just like many did before the season, you can hand the afc east to the patriots right now. playing in a division like this, its no wonder why the pats have been so good. they have 21 weeks of preseason to prepare for the playoffs.

bump atlanta up the underated list. 558 yards rushing in the 1st 2 weeks is the 3rd most all time and nothing to be scoffed at. tampa bay should make the overrated list.

carolina had a randle elesque guffaw that just cements their place in the overrated category. you cant call atlanta underrated unless you agree that carolina was given too much pre season attention. whether that went to their heads or them never being able to field a healthy team (got hgh?) doesnt matter. if they are the best the nfc has to offer i cant wait to see the steelers beat them by much more than 3 points in the superbowl.

Livinginthe past
09-17-2006, 09:38 PM
Glad to see some people disembarking the Miami bandwagon so early in the season - just goes to show - wishing your little heart out for something to happen doesnt necessarily make it so.

It will be intreesting to see if BB takes you up on your offer of the AFCE after week 2, though its certainly appreciated.

I'll let the 3 points SB comment slide in the general interests of forum quality.

NM

tony hipchest
09-17-2006, 09:52 PM
Glad to see some people disembarking the Miami bandwagon so early in the season - just goes to show - wishing your little heart out for something to happen doesnt necessarily make it so.

It will be intreesting to see if BB takes you up on your offer of the AFCE after week 2, though its certainly appreciated.

I'll let the 3 points SB comment slide in the general interests of forum quality.

NM
now i know you werent talking about me. you wont find a post on here where i say miami is the cream of the afc east crop. in fact, ive already posted the pats winning that division going away, with a 10-6 record. (i even posted which games they will win and lose).

nice try though


my point now is that the dolphins are actually looking weaker than the bills and jets. i had them penned in at 2nd in the division with no playoff berth again.

Livinginthe past
09-17-2006, 09:58 PM
now i know you werent talking about me. you wont find a post on here where i say miami is the cream of the afc east crop. in fact, ive already posted the pats winning that division going away, with a 10-6 record. (i even posted which games they will win and lose).

nice try though


my point now is that the dolphins are actually looking weaker than the bills and jets. i had them penned in at 2nd in the division with no playoff berth again.

Nope, I know very well that you didnt predict it - I just said you were wishing for it...true or false?

One of our celebrated 'part-time' Steelers posters has spent alot of energy telling everyone that the Patriots time has gone and that Miami and shoo-ins for the AFCE.

10-6 seems pretty pessimistic (or optimistic depedning on your viewpoint) but only time will tell whether the Patriots go 8-6 through the rest of the year.

NM

tony hipchest
09-17-2006, 10:13 PM
Nope, I know very well that you didnt predict it - I just said you were wishing for it...true or false?

One of our celebrated 'part-time' Steelers posters has spent alot of energy telling everyone that the Patriots time has gone and that Miami and shoo-ins for the AFCE.

10-6 seems pretty pessimistic (or optimistic depedning on your viewpoint) but only time will tell whether the Patriots go 8-6 through the rest of the year.

NM
wishing for it? i guess i would have some satisfaction of watching patfans cry in their beers if they missed the playoffs but as for wishing for it.... well thats just wasted emotion cause it is obvious (just like last year) that noone coming out of the weakest division in the league is gonna do any dammage in the playoffs.

you seem to reply to me as if im some 'part time' poster here. tsk tsk

10-6 pessimistic? going by the way the pats have played against much inferior competition the past 2 weeks i would say it was very optimistic. the weak schedule says otherwise though. i had the pats at 2-0 going into week 3. without carson it will be 3-0. too bad carson is playing though.
2-1. welcome to some real competition. pats cant hang with a passing attack.

Stillers#1
09-17-2006, 10:14 PM
Nope, I know very well that you didnt predict it - I just said you were wishing for it...true or false?

One of our celebrated 'part-time' Steelers posters has spent alot of energy telling everyone that the Patriots time has gone and that Miami and shoo-ins for the AFCE.

10-6 seems pretty pessimistic (or optimistic depedning on your viewpoint) but only time will tell whether the Patriots go 8-6 through the rest of the year.

NM

If, you're talking about me, yes I def did think Miami was going to be a hell of a lot better than they look so far. I wouldnt count them out yet though. But, my prediction of who will win the AFCE is def changed, its gonna be the Bills.....lol.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 05:09 AM
If, you're talking about me, yes I def did think Miami was going to be a hell of a lot better than they look so far. I wouldnt count them out yet though. But, my prediction of who will win the AFCE is def changed, its gonna be the Bills.....lol.

Nah.

You weren't the guy I was thinking about Stillers#1, maybe you thought it, or even posted it but im pretty sure you didnt find the need to put it in every thread relating to the Patriots.

Think of someone who had to take some personal time and who has recently 'popped back in' to say hello.

Bills now eh?

Anyone would think you were rooting for ABP (anyone but the Patriots) :wink02:

NM

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 05:21 AM
wishing for it? i guess i would have some satisfaction of watching patfans cry in their beers if they missed the playoffs but as for wishing for it.... well thats just wasted emotion cause it is obvious (just like last year) that noone coming out of the weakest division in the league is gonna do any dammage in the playoffs.

you seem to reply to me as if im some 'part time' poster here. tsk tsk

10-6 pessimistic? going by the way the pats have played against much inferior competition the past 2 weeks i would say it was very optimistic. the weak schedule says otherwise though. i had the pats at 2-0 going into week 3. without carson it will be 3-0. too bad carson is playing though.
2-1. welcome to some real competition. pats cant hang with a passing attack.

Hmmm.

Im pretty sure Carson Palmer plays for the Bengals who are our week 4 competition.

We've got the Bronco's this week - let me guess - we can't hang with a running attack?

NM

HometownGal
09-18-2006, 09:02 AM
Da Bears sure look good thus far. Their D was ominous last season and continues to be dominant and it looks like they've finally found out that they DO have an offense. Right now, I'd have to put them at the top of the NFC, thought it is still very early in the season and they have played two weaker opponents. Keep your eye on those Bears.

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 11:06 AM
Hmmm.

Im pretty sure Carson Palmer plays for the Bengals who are our week 4 competition.

We've got the Bronco's this week - let me guess - we can't hang with a running attack?

NMno. you cant hang with jake plummer or a shanahan gameplan. denver owns the pats. no worries though. patriots are already 2-0 in their division with 4 divisional games left (2 against miami) it is conceivable that the winner of the east has an 8-8 or 9-7 record and hosts a wild card game.

im sure 'chick will manipulate it so its not an afc north team though.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 01:30 PM
no. you cant hang with jake plummer or a shanahan gameplan. denver owns the pats. no worries though. patriots are already 2-0 in their division with 4 divisional games left (2 against miami) it is conceivable that the winner of the east has an 8-8 or 9-7 record and hosts a wild card game.

im sure 'chick will manipulate it so its not an afc north team though.


I've heard all this before Tony.

You've yet to explain why BB would avoid teams from the AFCN.

I dont expect you to either.

I have doubts as to the potential accuracy of this prediction sheet when you cant even get the fixture list in the correct order.

NM

hardwork
09-18-2006, 01:58 PM
A little friendly ribbing now and then is fun. Even the occasional barb has its place. But a non stop heavy diet of bashing another team is boring beyond compare.

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 03:03 PM
A little friendly ribbing now and then is fun. Even the occasional barb has its place. But a non stop heavy diet of bashing another team is boring beyond compare.i hear the ignore feature does wonders for those who lack the self control to do so on their own.

do you need a hug?:hug:

saying the pats will win their division isnt bashing them, nor is expressing the opinion that the preseason hype that surrounds them and all those predicting them to go back to the superbowl makes them overrated when examining the problems they have been having through 2 games. brady not completing 50% of his passes and looking more like turnover tommy maddox than joe cool montana causes one to raise an eyebrow.

pointing out that the afc east is weaker than the afc north is pretty self explanitory and in no way bashing. just pointing out the facts.

another fact is that its mathematically possible for a team to go 8-8 or 9-7 and win the division. i guess we will see, now wont we? noone has to like my analysis, breakdown, or opinion; hell, supply some facts and you may even sway it. :wave:

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 03:14 PM
i hear the ignore feature does wonders for those who lack the self control to do so on their own.

do you need a hug?:hug:

saying the pats will win their division isnt bashing them, nor is expressing the opinion that the preseason hype that surrounds them and all those predicting them to go back to the superbowl makes them overrated when examining the problems they have been having through 2 games. brady not completing 50% of his passes and looking more like turnover tommy maddox than joe cool montana causes one to raise an eyebrow.

pointing out that the afc east is weaker than the afc north is pretty self explanitory and in no way bashing. just pointing out the facts.

another fact is that its mathematically possible for a team to go 8-8 or 9-7 and win the division. i guess we will see, now wont we? noone has to like my analysis, breakdown, or opinion; hell, supply some facts and you may even sway it. :wave:

Where are your facts that BB is a communist 'tom'?

Please dont list a visit to Moscow - that would make Bush a communist too.

Also, explain this continous obsession that BB would avoid the AFCN in the playoffs?

Where are the 'facts' to back that supposition?

Explain how the AFCE is the 'weakest division in football'.

The AFCE won 37 games to the AFCN's 36 in 2004 - that didnt guarantee that the AFCE would be 'stronger' in 2005 did it?

Brady has had a relatively poor start to the season, but his team is still 2-0 - are you suggesting that he has lost the ability to be a top QB?

I notice you do plenty of Brady ball washing yourself, but only if you can stick the knife into some other area of the Patriots play.

Where are these 'facts' you speak of?

NM

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 03:46 PM
Where are your facts that BB is a communist 'tom'?



NMhere is where reading comprehension can help. i said kraft was the socialist who runs his team like a comune and BB was a dictator. (distortion and deception) whats bush have to do with this anyways? since i have already answered your questions countless times and you have either forgotten them or lack the comprehension skills to digest what you read, i'll let you do the digging. you will find the answers you seek in the countless bb conversations we have had.

or you know what? just to make it easy, continue believing that the afc east is a stronger division. however, the pats havent faced decent competition in that division in 5 years, hence i believe anyone predicting them for a sb run is strongly overrating them, for reasons already laid out. (note: thread back on topic)

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 04:06 PM
here is where reading comprehension can help. i said kraft was the socialist who runs his team like a comune and BB was a dictator. (distortion and deception) whats bush have to do with this anyways? since i have already answered your questions countless times and you have either forgotten them or lack the comprehension skills to digest what you read, i'll let you do the digging. you will find the answers you seek in the countless bb conversations we have had.

or you know what? just to make it easy, continue believing that the afc east is a stronger division. however, the pats havent faced decent competition in that division in 5 years, hence i believe anyone predicting them for a sb run is strongly overrating them, for reasons already laid out. (note: thread back on topic)

Its real weird that you are forever accusing me of spinning and deception when you wont even answer my simple questions.

You obviously find it difficult to remember the utter nonsesne you produce day after day - so just for you, I have linked and quoted your comments

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=10473&page=4

poor tom. he sounds like he needs a sabbatical or to experience what its like to play on a REAL team like the champion steelers where players are treated right. no wonder players cant wait to get out of there.

not every team is owned by a socialist commie and coached by a dictator tom.

Repeatedly telling me that I need to improve my 'reading comprehension skills' is little better than the 'spelling police' schtick you hate so much.

Especially, when it was you who can't remember what he wrote , let alone how to comprehend it.

Anyways, you still dont have any of these 'facts' you ask of Hardwork to prove his points.

You wont say why the AFCE is weaker or why BB would avoid AFCN teams in the playoffs.

Maybe you should just tell me to improve my reading comprehension again......

NM

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 04:18 PM
Its real weird that you are forever accusing me of spinning and deception when you wont even answer my simple questions.

You obviously find it difficult to remember the utter nonsesne you produce day after day - so just for you, I have linked and quoted your comments

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=10473&page=4



Repeatedly telling me that I need to improve my 'reading comprehension skills' is little better than the 'spelling police' schtick you hate so much.

Especially, when it was you who can't remember what he wrote , let alone how to comprehend it.

Anyways, you still dont have any of these 'facts' you ask of Hardwork to prove his points.

You wont say why the AFCE is weaker or why BB would avoid AFCN teams in the playoffs.

Maybe you should just tell me to improve my reading comprehension again......

NM

not every team is owned by a socialist commie and coached by a dictator, tom.

there, is that better for you and the comma police? i was typing directly to tom and calling his coach a dictator litp

(see i did it again)

p.s. why would i need to provide any facts for hardwork to prove his point? :dang:

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 04:24 PM
not every team is owned by a socialist commie and coached by a dictator, tom.

there, is that better for you and the comma police? i was typing directly to tom and calling his coach a dictator litp

(see i did it again)

p.s. why would i need to provide any facts for hardwork to prove his point? :dang:

At least you admit you typed that stuff now.

Its just a shame I have to actually quote it to make you do so.

We just need to address why you think this stuff actually belongs in this forum.

You expect HW to provide logic and facts yet you rarely bring any yourself.

I'll try again.

Also, explain this continous obsession that BB would avoid the AFCN in the playoffs?

Where are the 'facts' to back that supposition?

Explain how the AFCE is the 'weakest division in football'.

Maybe you'll find a way to try and worm out of answering these questions and thats fine, I expect it.

But save the santimonius BS when you wont even stick to the standards you expect others to follow.

NM

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 04:41 PM
At least you admit you typed that stuff now.

Its just a shame I have to actually quote it to make you do so.

We just need to address why you think this stuff actually belongs in this forum.

You expect HW to provide logic and facts yet you rarely bring any yourself.

I'll try again.




NM

i never denied my words. infact if you revisit post #20 you will find complete acceptance to the correct words you so conviniently distorted..

here is where reading comprehension can help. i said kraft was the socialist who runs his team like a comune and BB was a dictator.

you were the one who lacked the reading comprehension skills and told a lie that i called BB a commie. learn to read! reading is FUNdamental. :sofunny:

so anyways the patriots play in the weakest division (one they have struggled with in 2 games) therefore it is my belief that they have been overrated.

back on topic once again. anyone care to prove that the afc east is so great? jp losman maybe? fumblepepper? elbow mac pennington?

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 04:48 PM
here we see how litp doesnt like my list of overrated/underrated teams (it was a pretty good list chock full of good football talk). anyone in tune with football analysis from a national medias perspective knows talk and lists like this is en vogue even two weeks into the season. since he doesnt like my analysis he wants this thread moved to the blast furnace.

warning: just cause you dont agree doesnt mean its smacktalk!!!

litps guffaws in this thread alone:

grossly misquoting me and showing complete failure to understand a simple sentence

falsely accusing me of proclaiming me as one who declared an overrated miami team, as the team to beat in an overrated division.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 05:09 PM
I think the word you are looking for is 'gaffe' not 'guffaw'

Hows that reading comprehension look now?

Thats not even a typo

The rest of your post is so weak its unbelievable - you are the one who claims the AFCE to be the 'weakest' so lets have some facts to back that up.

You obviously can't so resort to weaseling your way out of it - you can't prove that Kraft is a commie - thats just aimless smack talk.

I think you've been exposed here.

Oh and one other thing, I never ever accused you of declaring Miami as the team to beat - I was referring to Suitanim, you just couldnt work the clues out quick enough to realise that

NM

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 05:17 PM
*tony lets out a boisterous guffaw*

the board editor strikes again!

would any cowboys or carolina fans like to bemoan their placement on tonys UNDERRATED/OVERRATED list? feel free to ask me to prove why i put them on the list.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 05:31 PM
*tony lets out a boisterous guffaw*

the board editor strikes again!

would any cowboys or carolina fans like to bemoan their placement on tonys UNDERRATED/OVERRATED list? feel free to ask me to prove why i put them on the list.

I really couldn't care less about the list.

I have no problem with you making the Patriots overrated/underrated or whatever - its just your pretense at actually applying any type of football knowledge to the Patriots that I have an issue with.

When asked to explain your theories you fail miserably - and resort to 'reading comprehension' insults to hide the fact you dont know what you are talking about.

Whats worse is that this is the last defense you should use - as I have demonstrated, the written word is no friend of yours.

Well im think im done with this one.


NM

tony hipchest
09-18-2006, 05:35 PM
You obviously can't so resort to weaseling your way out of it - you can't prove that Kraft is a commie - thats just aimless smack talk.



NM

i have combed this thread and do not see that which you mention. by bringing outside posts into THIS thread you obviously are trying to purposfully flush it down the toilet since you obviously disagree with the viewpoints expressed within. like i told HW, show me some facts that say the afc east ISNT the weakest division. until then i stand by my beliefs. the fact that the patriaots were able to secure a game with homefield advantage last year and host a 12-4 team, and go 14-2 twice should serve as proof of the waekness of their division.

any philly or baltimore fans like to commend me for noticing they were underrated going into the season?

tony hipchest
12-28-2006, 09:31 PM
sure its too early in the season to tell who is gonna continue to play like they did in week 1, but so is making pre season superbowl predictions. some teams wont live up to the early prognosticators and know it all's hype. other teams were ignored or even written off. now is my turn to play prognosticator after what i saw in real game action. here are some teams who will be worse than expected and others who will be better.

UNDERRATED

STEELERS- it was all doom and gloom for a team that couldnt manage a pre season win. their offensive philosophy was rendered useless with the departure of the buss and randle el. willie parker was too small and couldnt carry the load, and the star qb was sidelined with an innefective supposedly "too old" back up qb. however, with just 2 monday night games remaining, they managed to put up the 2nd highest point total of week 1. a fumble at the 1 yd line, 1 missed field goal, and a sack taking them out of fg range prevented them from hanging up 41 points on what was said to be a pretty good defense.

RAVENS- people have already put mcnair in a hospital bed and ray lewis in a retirement home, however i saw them on the field. along with a healthy jamal lewis and an attacking defense, they will not be over looked or taken lightly by anyone.

EAGLES- sure they played the texans, but they were predicted by many to finish right where they were in '05 - last in the nfc east. donnovan is healthy, stallworth was getting open like t.o. westbrook was westbrook. but what this team has is incredible talent and depth of the lines on both sides of the ball. the players will be fresh and an injury here will not cripple them.

ATLANTA- their defensive acquisitions have been ignored. the fact that they have pretty much owned carolina other than the 2 games last year has been forgotten. oh, and theyre one of the best teams at running the ball. it is a mistake to look at mike vick like he is kyle boller.

OVERRATED

CAROLINA- the sexy pick to win the SB. theyre not as much overrated as atlanta is written off. carolina could sweep through the playoffs but the roadblock could be waiting in atlanta. if they are that dependant on 1 player (s. smith or a rb) for wins, they could be in trouble. anyone suprised dan morgan gets hurt again?

DALLAS- they lost 3 games last year just because they have no kicker. now they have 2. t.o.'s points alone were supposed to make up for the 3 games they lost by a fg. theyre supposed to have one of the most feared defenses in the league that rivals the 86 giants. parcells HAS to win it all, right? WRONG! forget the t.o.pera, bigger issues prevail such as a pourous offensive line and bledsoes mistakes. how much can owens take?

DENVER- jake plummer. theyre still favored to win their division and people still think last years afc champ game was a fluke. their defense can be proud they only held the rams to 6 scoring drives and 7 fg attempts. teams will eventually convert thise into td's

PATRIOTS- last year we saw indy and san diego erase the pats home field advantage and now the bills almost pull off the upset? the patriots should feel lucky that they face plenty of qb's of the calibur of jp losman who proved he still cant get out of his own way. unfortunately for the pats is the jets no longer seem to be one of those teams with a healthy "noodle arm" at the helm. and culpepper is much better than frerotte. they didnt look like they have the strongest defensive front 7 against a rather weak bills o-line. the lack of receivers will have brady holding on to the ball just a bit longer. hit him early and mistakes are bound to follow.

i missed it big on atlanta and the steelers (although many outside of steelernation predicted a drop off and to not even make the playoffs i expected much more). everybody else i was pretty much spot on.

i still dont see the pats or broncos as a sb team and after round 1 in the playoffs i will definitely be right on 1 of them.

at 8-4 dallas and romo were being called the cream of the nfc crop. now theyre playing poorly. t.o. has cost them more games than he has won them, vanderjagt has been cut, bledsoe benched, and the implosion is almost complete.

the eagles... they werent supposed to do crap with donovan, let alone w/o him.

carolina has been regarded as the biggest disappointment of them all.

im still waiting for mcnair to be playing from a hospital bed. go figure, a relatively healthy r. lewis hasnt even needed to be the biggest defensive impact.

i think EVERYONE missed on the SAINTS and the JETS (with their rookie head coaches) as being underrated.

Livinginthe past
12-28-2006, 09:48 PM
I'll probably give you a 1/4 for the underrated - the Ravens have been alot better than expected.

Eagles are about where I expected them to be, and probably where the consensus of people had them - I never understood why they were suppsoed to have such a bad year.

Atlanta are worse than expected and so are Pittsburgh.

The 'overrated' i'd give you 2.5/4.

You nailed two QB problems in Dallas and Denver, although I think most recognised those deficiencies.

Most of the Patriots stuff appears to be wrong at this point - the Jets are doing well but still 2 games behind and Culpepper is nowhere to be seen.

NM

tony hipchest
12-28-2006, 09:58 PM
I'll probably give you a 1/4 for the underrated - the Ravens have been alot better than expected.

Eagles are about where I expected them to be, and probably where the consensus of people had them - I never understood why they were suppsoed to have such a bad year.

Atlanta are worse than expected and so are Pittsburgh.

The 'overrated' i'd give you 2.5/4.

You nailed two QB problems in Dallas and Denver, although I think most recognised those deficiencies.

Most of the Patriots stuff appears to be wrong at this point - the Jets are doing well but still 2 games behind and Culpepper is nowhere to be seen.

NMthe majority of prognostications i saw/read/heard had philly last in what was predicted to be one of the strongest divisions. the consensus definitely didnt have them winning the division.

regardless of denver/ dallas qb problems many had them to win the division and even represent in the SB.

if you read through the thread, i had already conceded the division to the pats but did not feel they were a sb contending team like many had felt just cause they have BB and brady.

Livinginthe past
12-28-2006, 10:07 PM
the majority of prognostications i saw/read/heard had philly last in what was predicted to be one of the strongest divisions. the consensus definitely didnt have them winning the division.

regardless of denver/ dallas qb problems many had them to win the division and even represent in the SB.

if you read through the thread, i had already conceded the division to the pats but did not feel they were a sb contending team like many had felt just cause they have BB and brady.

I thought you were predicting the Phins and Jets to outdo them with all the talk of Culpepper and a healthy 'Noodle arm'.

Personally, I think any team that wins its division in the AFC is a SB contender - that includes the Colts.

NM

tony hipchest
12-28-2006, 10:08 PM
I'll probably give you a 1/4 for the underrated - the Ravens have been alot better than expected.

Eagles are about where I expected them to be, and probably where the consensus of people had them - I never understood why they were suppsoed to have such a bad year.

Atlanta are worse than expected and so are Pittsburgh.

The 'overrated' i'd give you 2.5/4.

You nailed two QB problems in Dallas and Denver, although I think most recognised those deficiencies.

Most of the Patriots stuff appears to be wrong at this point - the Jets are doing well but still 2 games behind and Culpepper is nowhere to be seen.

NMthe majority of prognostications i saw/read/heard had philly last in what was predicted to be one of the strongest divisions (i guess you and i both didnt think they would have a bad year but we dont influence the popular opinion). the consensus definitely didnt have them winning the division.

regardless of denver/ dallas qb problems many had them to win the division and even represent in the SB. many thought denvers loss to the steelers was a fluke despite plummer as qb. the division was almost handed to them over the chargers, regardless.

if you read through the thread, i had already conceded the division to the pats but did not feel they were a sb contending team like many had felt, just cause they have BB and brady.

this list was made on preseason hype or lack thereof, not who would or wouldnt make the playoffs (carolina can still make the playoffs). i did amend miami to the list of over rated and very well shouldve included the giants and bengals, and possibly colts. (many were predicting an all manning sb).

i say i nailed 6 of 8 (not taking anything away from the pats- i just dont think theyre the best team in the league any more, like many do)

Livinginthe past
12-28-2006, 10:21 PM
I dont think the Patriots are the best team in the league either.

If you went to a Patriots board I could almost guarantee you that most people would give us a good chance of winning the SB but not many would have us down as the best team in the NFL.

At this stage, and throughout the season that honor goes to San Diego or Baltimore.

NM

tony hipchest
12-28-2006, 10:32 PM
If you went to a Patriots board I could almost guarantee you that most people would give us a good chance of winning the SB but not many would have us down as the best team in the NFL.

At this stage, and throughout the season that honor goes to San Diego or Baltimore.

NM
most people gave the patriots a really good shot at winning the sb, along with denver and dallas. hence a spot on my overrated list.

on the flipside many doubted the ravens or phillys chance (moreso philly) to even make the playoffs. hence the spot on my inderrated list.

alot of teams werent really overhyped or underhyped. (san diego, bears)

the point is, even if the pats DO win the sb i cant say that they were underrated coming into the season (or after week 1)