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WisconsinSteelerMan
09-11-2006, 08:55 PM
Hey all... This is just in from a blog on AOL

Bills Say Patriots Signed Ex-Buffalo Receiver Just to Pick His Brain
Posted Sep 11th 2006 10:56AM by Michael David Smith (On AOL)


The life of a marginal, practice-squad quality football player isn't easy. You're working just as hard as your teammates but often getting paid as little as 1 percent of their salaries. When you meet someone in a social situation and tell them you're a professional football player, you usually hear, "Really? I've never heard of you." And, if what the Buffalo Bills are alleging is true, you can be signed to a team, asked to give up trade secrets about your previous team, then released as soon as you've given up your information.

That's what the Bills claim happened with receiver Jonathan Smith. The New England Patriots signed Smith away from the Bills last Sunday, then cut him before yesterday's game between the two teams. Some of Smith's former Bills teammates are saying the Patriots never really wanted Smith, and that they simply brought him along to pump him for information about the Bills' playbook.

If this actually happened, it's dishonest, unethical, and the NFL ought to investigate. The league's eight-man practice squads exist to enhance player development, but they'll quickly turn into little more than espionage units if everyone is allowed to join another roster just long enough to give information about an opponent. In the business world there are clauses in contracts that prohibit giving trade secrets to competitors, and it should be the same in sports. No player should do this and no coach should allow it within his organization.

The Boston Herald also floats the idea that Smith could have been a double agent, actually helping the Bills during the week he was on the Patriots' roster. If that's true, this incident is more intriguing than that Brady Bunch episode where Marcia's boyfriend, who plays for a rival school, tries to steal Greg's playbook, leading Greg to create a phony playbook, allow him to steal it, and score an easy victory for his team when the opponents are ill-prepared. In any event, the Bills say the information Smith has about their offense definitely could have helped Bill Belichick's game-planning.''



Are they actually serious???

Stlrs4Life
09-11-2006, 09:08 PM
This same accusation went on years ago when the Steelers cut somebody (can't remember who it was) and the Jags picked him up. And everybody thought Coughlin did it to find out trade secrets on the Steelers.

Livinginthe past
09-11-2006, 10:19 PM
I actually floated that theory, on another forum I post at, when they signed him.

Bam Childress had a very nice pre-season and has been on the bubble for a year or two - suddenly he is displaced by a Buffalo discard?!

Then the Bills guy is cut and Childres sees plenty of action as part of the 53.

I read somewhere that he admitted that the Patriots quizzed him about schemes and the like.

But that it was his opinion, that the Bills would alter their gameplan once he had left for New England.

All I can say is that if they did do it - it didn't work very well.

NM

MattsMe
09-11-2006, 11:01 PM
For awhile it seemed like the Jags signed everyone the Steelers cut.

I was just thinking that.

SteelShooter
09-11-2006, 11:04 PM
Wow......I really do not know what to say about that.

If it's floating around, then perhaps someone should take a look. Nothing major, but a look to see if it actually warrants an investigation.

Midnightwriter07
09-11-2006, 11:23 PM
I am sure happens all the time and with most players who get floated around from team to team...

Haiku_Dirtt
09-12-2006, 02:13 AM
Hey all... This is just in from a blog on AOL

Bills Say Patriots Signed Ex-Buffalo Receiver Just to Pick His Brain
Posted Sep 11th 2006 10:56AM by Michael David Smith (On AOL)


The life of a marginal, practice-squad quality football player isn't easy. You're working just as hard as your teammates but often getting paid as little as 1 percent of their salaries. When you meet someone in a social situation and tell them you're a professional football player, you usually hear, "Really? I've never heard of you." And, if what the Buffalo Bills are alleging is true, you can be signed to a team, asked to give up trade secrets about your previous team, then released as soon as you've given up your information.

That's what the Bills claim happened with receiver Jonathan Smith. The New England Patriots signed Smith away from the Bills last Sunday, then cut him before yesterday's game between the two teams. Some of Smith's former Bills teammates are saying the Patriots never really wanted Smith, and that they simply brought him along to pump him for information about the Bills' playbook.

If this actually happened, it's dishonest, unethical, and the NFL ought to investigate. The league's eight-man practice squads exist to enhance player development, but they'll quickly turn into little more than espionage units if everyone is allowed to join another roster just long enough to give information about an opponent. In the business world there are clauses in contracts that prohibit giving trade secrets to competitors, and it should be the same in sports. No player should do this and no coach should allow it within his organization.

The Boston Herald also floats the idea that Smith could have been a double agent, actually helping the Bills during the week he was on the Patriots' roster. If that's true, this incident is more intriguing than that Brady Bunch episode where Marcia's boyfriend, who plays for a rival school, tries to steal Greg's playbook, leading Greg to create a phony playbook, allow him to steal it, and score an easy victory for his team when the opponents are ill-prepared. In any event, the Bills say the information Smith has about their offense definitely could have helped Bill Belichick's game-planning.''



Are they actually serious???


What? Doesn't anyone ever watch Oliver Stone 'documentaries'? His last one showed real footage of Charlie Weis watching Chan Gailey's offense from a grassy knoll nearby a book depository before going to an all-you-can-eat Texas buffet.

Okay. I believe the buffet part.:rolleyes:

clevestinks
09-12-2006, 05:21 AM
Heck at one time last season, I think the ravens had three of our former QBs, Kordell,St.Pierre, and A. Wright. Go ahead and concentrate on picking one teams brain, and see what you get!

HometownGal
09-12-2006, 07:07 AM
If this is true, it doesn't surprise me at all - teams have been doing this sort of thing for years to get the one up on a rival. If Belischmuck is guilty of this behavior, he fubared big time - he should have signed a Dolphins reject instead, as the Fins are the team that is going to be giving the Pats headaches this season, not the Jills. :dang: :cool:

cbalke
09-12-2006, 07:44 AM
why shouldn't they? if you're looking for an edge, with the money involved in this league, you are going to get that edge wherever you can find it. this is not illegal by nfl rules. why all the uproar? would anyone on here have objected to signing a former seahawk to the practice squad in the weeks before the super bowl?

SteelerFanInCA
09-12-2006, 11:09 AM
I think they are over hyping this whole thing. Bottom line is you still have to be able to execute your game plan regardless of the situation. You may know or think you know what a team is going to do but in the end it's all about execution.

Stlrs4Life
09-12-2006, 05:09 PM
I think they are over hyping this whole thing. Bottom line is you still have to be able to execute your game plan regardless on the situation. You may know or think you know what a team is going to do but in the end it's all about execution.


Exactly.

MasterOfPuppets
09-12-2006, 05:12 PM
Heck at one time last season, I think the ravens had three of our former QBs, Kordell,St.Pierre, and A. Wright. Go ahead and concentrate on picking one teams brain, and see what you get!

well the problem there was those 3 bums didn't even know the steelers offense. :sofunny:

Hawk Believer
09-12-2006, 05:26 PM
would anyone on here have objected to signing a former seahawk to the practice squad in the weeks before the super bowl?
Umm... I would!:sofunny:

boLT fan
09-12-2006, 06:48 PM
This would be more credible if it wasn't the Bills. How hard is it to gameplan for them?

Step 1: Remember that JP Losman is the QB
Step 2: Intercpet pass
Step 3: Repeat

But I do think some teams do this. I think it happened when the Chargers traded Cleo Lemon to the Dolphins a week before the game (stupid GM move). He told Zach Thomas Brees's audible signals.

jaysta
09-12-2006, 07:12 PM
Of course this stuff happens. We're kidding ourselves if we think it doesn't. That being said, it's pretty hard to prove that someone is released because a team is done getting info out of them. And as far as the Bills go, unless they steal some of the Pats players along with the info, it'll do them no use.

stlrtruck
09-13-2006, 10:34 AM
I'm sure coaches do pick former players' brains to get some inside hints. But to think that you have to do that to a team like the Bills...unlikely!!

That would be like a team doing that to say Houston, Oakland, SF, or the Packers. There's not much to game plan against and your teams natural athletic ability should be enough to get you past them. If it's not, then you were in trouble way before the game started!!

Or maybe the Patriots feel that their choke hold over that division is slipping? Things that make you go.....Hmmmm?

Livinginthe past
09-13-2006, 12:47 PM
I think its pretty simple.

If you think you can gain an advantage using legal techniques such as signing players short term - then you do it.

What you don't do is sit back and say "Well we are better than the Bills, lets justs see how things pan out"

Thats how good teams get beat.

NM

I.C. Lights
09-13-2006, 09:55 PM
I personally love this entire concept ... it adds a whole new dimension and risk strategy to the game, broadens the characteristics coaches will look for in players, and could potentially extend certain players' careers. I like the sneakiness of it all too!