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Livinginthe past
09-16-2006, 02:08 PM
I do enjoy the scathing wit of the CHFF crew, its normally well placed and well thought out.

I know most of you guys have little time for pundits or even commentators - see them ripped here.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=795&Category=5

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tony hipchest
09-16-2006, 06:27 PM
pretty good article. but chff was really reaching with thisone in their crusade against prisco:

Prisco then declares that Texas cornerback Cedric Griffin, a second-round selection of the Vikings, “will be a nickel starter next year.” Hey, Petey, teams don’t generally deploy five defensive backs at the beginning of a game. The nickel package is reserved for obvious passing downs, such as third-and-long. By the very definition, if Griffin plays as the nickelback, he isn’t a starter.

its pretty easy to see that prisco means he will be the #3 cb, and i have seen teams open in the nickle (infact using the nickle could almost become a base package in the next few years.) since football is evolving and the way offensive trends have been going it is becoming more and more necessary to have 3 cb's capable of starting.

i hate it when people try to play editor to denegrate what was an easilly understandable and valid point. its almost like playing the internet spelling police.

the way sportslines forums were ran, im sure the site lacks editors as well as mods. but yeah, prisco comes off as a dolt. darren woodsons nfl breakdown on espn is even more horrible.

Livinginthe past
09-16-2006, 06:43 PM
pretty good article. but chff was really reaching with thisone in their crusade against prisco:



its pretty easy to see that prisco means he will be the #3 cb, and i have seen teams open in the nickle (infact using the nickle could almost become a base package in the next few years.) since football is evolving and the way offensive trends have been going it is becoming more and more necessary to have 3 cb's capable of starting.

i hate it when people try to play editor to denegrate what was an easilly understandable and valid point. its almost like playing the internet spelling police.

the way sportslines forums were ran, im sure the site lacks editors as well as mods. but yeah, prisco comes off as a dolt. darren woodsons nfl breakdown on espn is even more horrible.

Well everyone has their own opinion, but the way I look at it is ; these guys get paid to write so they should be able to do it correctly.

I doubt if they would have pulled a different writer up on this if it had been the only example of their incompetence, but Prisco makes a real habit of butchering everything he touches.

I tell you one guy who I was impressed with - Len Pasquerelli ; he knows how to make a point and make it well.

Prisco just seems lazy, everyone reads back essays they have submitted at school and most know that using the same word repeatedly makes it appear that you have a stunted vocabulary.

As I say though, each to their own.

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tony hipchest
09-16-2006, 06:55 PM
len p. is good as is p. king, and p. kirwan especially considering all the work they do outside of their extensive writing. if you notice, the prisco point i highlighted (which was done correctly by all writing standards), there were no editorial, grammatical, over use of words or factual, mistakes. (and i, myself ,have pointed out his butcher jobs before on this board)

i dont know about you but i have heard the term "starting nickelback" used frequently in the past few years, including during many nfl football broadcasts.

chff was reaching there. it is accepted nfl terminology, so i dont know what their point was on that one.

Livinginthe past
09-16-2006, 09:11 PM
len p. is good as is p. king, and p. kirwan especially considering all the work they do outside of their extensive writing. if you notice, the prisco point i highlighted (which was done correctly by all writing standards), there were no editorial, grammatical, over use of words or factual, mistakes. (and i, myself ,have pointed out his butcher jobs before on this board)

i dont know about you but i have heard the term "starting nickelback" used frequently in the past few years, including during many nfl football broadcasts.

chff was reaching there. it is accepted nfl terminology, so i dont know what their point was on that one.

Well I dont watch as much football as most of you guys - no college football etc.

But 'starting nickel back' does sound like a contradiction to me.

As you know the Patriots favor the 3-4, but they show quite a bit of 4-3 in certain situations where Jarvis Green comes in at DE and Seymour moves inside - I still wouldnt call Green a starting DE.

The Patriots have also used alot of 4 WR spread formations over the last few years, but I still dont think WR's 3&4 are starters.

To me, a starter is one of the 11 guys you have on the field in your preferred or starting formation.

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tony hipchest
09-17-2006, 12:03 AM
Well I dont watch as much football as most of you guys - no college football etc.

But 'starting nickel back' does sound like a contradiction to me.

As you know the Patriots favor the 3-4, but they show quite a bit of 4-3 in certain situations where Jarvis Green comes in at DE and Seymour moves inside - I still wouldnt call Green a starting DE.

The Patriots have also used alot of 4 WR spread formations over the last few years, but I still dont think WR's 3&4 are starters.

To me, a starter is one of the 11 guys you have on the field in your preferred or starting formation.

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the statement in bold defies the "very definition" chff employs.

what theyre not seeing is the point i already made. the current trend in the nfl is teams using more and more of the nickel package. now say a defense aligns in the nickel package on 33% of snaps. goaline package on 7% of snaps. base 3-4 on 25%. 4-3 on 15%. dime package 7%, and quarter package 8%. and all other formations 5%.

you would have to say the nickel package is the "preferred" package, or the one used most frequentlly.

for nfl statistical and data keeping purposes, whoever steps on the field for the 1st offensive and defensive snaps are deemed as the starter. this is how an injured randy moss was able to keep his consecutive starts streak alive 2 years ago, although he clearly wasnt gonna play in the game.