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Haiku_Dirtt
09-18-2006, 01:55 PM
Just 'food' for thought. :coffee:

Jacksonville has more wins than Cleveland KC Oakland Miami and Tampa Bay combined.

The AFC North is perhaps the best in the NFL but so far the competition is hardly proof of anything...until tonight.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 02:04 PM
I think its a little early to be calling a bunch of teams cupcakes - just the same as it is to write off a whole division.

KC should be there or thereabouts when they get Green back and I expecy Miami to improve (which wouldnt be hard) when their offense settles down.

Tampa have a good D and a useful offense and I expect them to get to 8-8 even with Simms behind centre.

By the same token, beating Jax in week 2 wont make the AFCN the best division in football either.

NM

Haiku_Dirtt
09-18-2006, 02:24 PM
I think its a little early to be calling a bunch of teams cupcakes

NM

Perhaps. But when you only score 79 points and give up 225 points it leaves the door wide open to harsh criticism. That is disparity which will keep head coaches up all night long.

So no. I don't think it is too early with the exception of maybe Miami.

And I'd rather hang my hat on a cactus instead of that stiff Trent Green. At least you can squeeze a shot of tequila from an agave plant.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 02:27 PM
Perhaps. But when you only score 79 points and give up 225 points it leaves the door wide open to harsh criticism. That is disparity which will keep head coaches up all night long.

So no. I don't think it is too early with the exception of maybe Miami.

And I'd rather hang my hat on a cactus instead of that stiff Trent Green. At least you can squeeze a shot of tequila from an agave plant.

You dont rate Trent Green?

I think he is a good QB with an excellent supporting cast.

At this stage the games that the AFCN teams have won against their opponents constitute 50% of those other teams records.

Its a catch 22 - if the AFCN hadn't had such a good start then we wouldnt be having this conversation and some of those teams would have at least 1 win under their belts.

NM

Atlanta Dan
09-18-2006, 03:33 PM
I agree with LITP - too early to say who all the cupcakes and potential champs are at this point, although if Tennessee and Oakland combine for more than 6 wins this year I will be stunned.

For example, after the Pats were lucky to beat the Bills I thought it showed New England was down this year. But after watching the Bills defense do a better job of throttling the Dolphins than the Steelers did, the Bills D may be the real deal.

Until mid-October it will be difficult to see who the top teams are (e.g. - let's see how the Ravens do against teams better than the Bucs & Raiders and how Marty & Rivers handle competition at a level a little higher than the Raiders & Titans before we pencil in a Ravens-Chargers AFC championship game).

augustashark
09-18-2006, 03:52 PM
You dont rate Trent Green?

I think he is a good QB with an excellent supporting cast.
At this stage the games that the AFCN teams have won against their opponents constitute 50% of those other teams records.

Its a catch 22 - if the AFCN hadn't had such a good start then we wouldnt be having this conversation and some of those teams would have at least 1 win under their belts.

NM

?????????, excellent????, good RB and thats it!

Trent Green was going down last year! What makes you think this year was going to be any better?

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 04:24 PM
?????????, excellent????, good RB and thats it!

Trent Green was going down last year! What makes you think this year was going to be any better?

Well, its an opinion call I guess.

I would think I was in the majority of people who think that Holmes is an excellent RB.

He had 3 back to back 1400+ seasons and has a career avg of 4.6ypc and 86TD's.

It shouldnt be forgotten that he has caught the ball for nearly 3000 career yards at an avg of 8.8yds.


04 and 05 have obviously been drop off years for the Priest, but in 05 Larry Johnson showed up to the tune of 1750 yds and a 5.2 ypc avg.

Add in perennial pro-bowl TE Gonzalez, who has averaged almost 1000yds a season for the last 6 years, and I think you have an excellent supporting cast.

Sure the WR's havent been great, but the rest of the unit was built to score points and score them quick - unfortunately the D was built a similar way for opposing offenses.

NM

augustashark
09-18-2006, 04:33 PM
Well, its an opinion call I guess.

I would think I was in the majority of people who think that Holmes is an excellent RB.

He had 3 back to back 1400+ seasons and has a career avg of 4.6ypc and 86TD's.

It shouldnt be forgotten that he has caught the ball for nearly 3000 career yards at an avg of 8.8yds.


04 and 05 have obviously been drop off years for the Priest, but in 05 Larry Johnson showed up to the tune of 1750 yds and a 5.2 ypc avg.

Add in perennial pro-bowl TE Gonzalez, who has averaged almost 1000yds a season for the last 6 years, and I think you have an excellent supporting cast.

Sure the WR's havent been great, but the rest of the unit was built to score points and score them quick - unfortunately the D was built a similar way for opposing offenses.

NM


I thought you were talking about this year. I will agree 04 and 05 he was a good QB with great talent around him except for those dogs at WR.

I agree with you on the D.

I guess I see this team this year with a good RB (must prove over at least 3yrs) and mediocre at best WR'S, a good TE and ok O-Line. D still stinks!

Trent Green (I believe) would not have gotten this team to the playoffs this year, healthy or not. Don't be fooled by yesterdays game either, Denver is not that good. SD will run away with this division (remind me of this prediction come Dec). I was saying that the AFC East was the worst, but now I change that and say that it has to be AFC West.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 04:38 PM
I thought you were talking about this year. I will agree 04 and 05 he was a good QB with great talent around him except for those dogs at WR.

I agree with you on the D.

I guess I see this team this year with a good RB (must prove over at least 3yrs) and mediocre at best WR'S, a good TE and ok O-Line. D still stinks!

Trent Green (I believe) would not have gotten this team to the playoffs this year, healthy or not. Don't be fooled by yesterdays game either, Denver is not that good. SD will run away with this division (remind me of this prediction come Dec). I was saying that the AFC East was the worst, but now I change that and say that it has to be AFC West.

I happen to agree with you on the Chargers prediction - I think they are loaded on offense and defense - if Brees was still there they would be outstanding, as it is I think Rivers can become competent enough this year to not be a burden.

Denver have the best year round HFA in the league, what with the altitude and all - its played a major part in their success.

KC are certainly past their peak - that was possibly in 04 or 05 when they had Holmes and Johnson and a strong, and healthy O-Line - probably the best in the league.

As you say, the D still sucks which is a real burden in the post season.

NM

augustashark
09-18-2006, 04:46 PM
I happen to agree with you on the Chargers prediction - I think they are loaded on offense and defense - if Brees was still there they would be outstanding, as it is I think Rivers can become competent enough this year to not be a burden.

Denver have the best year round HFA in the league, what with the altitude and all - its played a major part in their success.

KC are certainly past their peak - that was possibly in 04 or 05 when they had Holmes and Johnson and a strong, and healthy O-Line - probably the best in the league.

As you say, the D still sucks which is a real burden in the post season.

NM

The Broncs will be helped out greatly by play the Raideretts twice, but I dont see them in the playoffs this year. Wild card (though this is an early prediciton) will come out of the North and South.

Livinginthe past
09-18-2006, 05:18 PM
The Broncs will be helped out greatly by play the Raideretts twice, but I dont see them in the playoffs this year. Wild card (though this is an early prediciton) will come out of the North and South.

So Jax and Cincy or Baltimore then?

I think you are probably right.

The Titans and Texans appear to still be in disarray in that division.

I think Cincy are a better team than Baltimore, but that is balanced by the Bengals having a more difficult schedule.

NM