PDA

View Full Version : The fact of the matter is...


Infamix
09-19-2006, 08:14 AM
The fact of the matter is this for the fans:

(1) Coming off of a superbowl victory, making history and winning 8 on the road, AND a convincing win against Miami, our expectations were way too high going into Jacksonville.

(2) We underestimated the Jaguars

(3) The Jags played excellent D and kept our defense on the field long enough to score.

Let's move on now and focus on Cincinatti...I don't think Willie Parker is the problem in the running game, I think the O-line didn't play well against a good defense. Ben was rusty, needed to adjust to the speed of the game, and did pretty well with avoiding sacks and making plays, just needed to get back in sync with the recievers. The Steelers D played well, but the fatigue got to them by the end.

Justin Otstott
09-19-2006, 08:18 AM
sounds like a good idea to me!

Atlanta Dan
09-19-2006, 08:27 AM
I concur the alarm clock can go off and we can go into panic mode if the Steelers lose at home to Cincy.

I look for a big effort on Sunday after an across the board mediocre effort against Jax. The Jags are a nice team (and probably will be a wild card again with 4 virtually guaranteed in-division wins against the Texans and Titans) but I do not belive anyone has them as a top shelf AFC team. Steelers need to beat Jax type teams to return to the playoffs out of the competitive AFC North - as was the case last year, losing to Jax puts the Steelers at a disadvantage with Jax on wild card tie breakers.

Ben and the receivers were out of sync all night (Wilson dropping the pass on the first drive was a preview of problems to come), but to someextent that is a function of Ben getting little work in the preseason.

Biggest worry for me at this point is that Troy was playing with one arm and did not appear to be a factor.

Finally, it may have been posted elsewhere (in the game thread?) but what exactly set Cowher off to get in Ike Taylor's face on the sidelines?

Infamix
09-19-2006, 09:24 AM
^ If I'm not mistaken, he got in his face because Ike was giving so much room to the reciever.

Cebby
09-19-2006, 09:35 AM
Finally, it may have been posted elsewhere (in the game thread?) but what exactly set Cowher off to get in Ike Taylor's face on the sidelines?

I didn't see this, but did see him reading the riot act to Tyrone Carter - probably same conversation... :blah:

24~show your love~43
09-19-2006, 12:38 PM
well i don't know how many will agree, but ithink our problem was in the coaching staff... i mean ben had a 104 temperature earlier that day and troy was clearly incapable of reaching his normal status because he was one armed! not only did they allow both to play they didn't replace either or even give them much of a break when they clearly weren't all there. we have a capable qb in charlie batch... now he's not a stud, but he can get the job done when he needs to. now when we realize that ben is out of sync with the recievers we should have put charlie in to give him a chance to come up with something. not to mention they were a run stopping defense and we knew we needed an air attack which batch was clearly capable of. i mean the game may have turned out differently had they made the change and the fact that they put ben back in after we saw him grab his side after he was hit toward the end and we still put him in on the next drive instead of letting him have the time to recover pissed me off. now onto troy. troy in as capable as any other ss in the nfl with one arm, but you can't make plays with one arm... no interceptions can be made and it's much harder to make tackles and easier for the offense to break them. now those are the soul reasons i think this one is on the coaching staff!!!

JustaFan
09-19-2006, 12:52 PM
The fact of the matter is this for the fans:
Let's move on now and focus on Cincinatti...I don't think Willie Parker is the problem in the running game, I think the O-line didn't play well against a good defense. Ben was rusty, needed to adjust to the speed of the game, and did pretty well with avoiding sacks and making plays, just needed to get back in sync with the recievers. The Steelers D played well, but the fatigue got to them by the end.

Well said.

43Hitman
09-19-2006, 01:02 PM
well i don't know how many will agree, but ithink our problem was in the coaching staff... i mean ben had a 104 temperature earlier that day and troy was clearly incapable of reaching his normal status because he was one armed! not only did they allow both to play they didn't replace either or even give them much of a break when they clearly weren't all there. we have a capable qb in charlie batch... now he's not a stud, but he can get the job done when he needs to. now when we realize that ben is out of sync with the recievers we should have put charlie in to give him a chance to come up with something. not to mention they were a run stopping defense and we knew we needed an air attack which batch was clearly capable of. i mean the game may have turned out differently had they made the change and the fact that they put ben back in after we saw him grab his side after he was hit toward the end and we still put him in on the next drive instead of letting him have the time to recover pissed me off. now onto troy. troy in as capable as any other ss in the nfl with one arm, but you can't make plays with one arm... no interceptions can be made and it's much harder to make tackles and easier for the offense to break them. now those are the soul reasons i think this one is on the coaching staff!!!

So you don't think that Jax DL going through our O-line every other play had anything to do with it? How about Ben not playing for almost 7 months? I personally think that all the doom and gloom is completely un-necessary. It is the second game of the season there is plenty of time to make the needed adjustments. One last thing. Even if Batch was put in there last night, it still doesn't change the fact that there were lots of dropped balls, and some bad routes ran as well.

BlackNGold203
09-19-2006, 01:40 PM
So you don't think that Jax DL going through our O-line every other play had anything to do with it? How about Ben not playing for almost 7 months? I personally think that all the doom and gloom is completely un-necessary. It is the second game of the season there is plenty of time to make the needed adjustments. One last thing. Even if Batch was put in there last night, it still doesn't change the fact that there were lots of dropped balls, and some bad routes ran as well.


*applause*

nice to see some people actually get it......:cool:

sumo
09-19-2006, 01:56 PM
So you don't think that Jax DL going through our O-line every other play had anything to do with it? How about Ben not playing for almost 7 months? I personally think that all the doom and gloom is completely un-necessary. It is the second game of the season there is plenty of time to make the needed adjustments. One last thing. Even if Batch was put in there last night, it still doesn't change the fact that there were lots of dropped balls, and some bad routes ran as well.


There is no gloom and doom -- but I think the concerns about Parker are valid -- he has got to run smarter -- the Steelers entire offensive philosophy rests on him being successful...it was not all on the Oline last night -- I do have confidence that the proper adjustments will be made and the Steelers will crush Cincy -- but I am not sold on Parker as a smart every down back that makes good decisions....

Haiku_Dirtt
09-19-2006, 02:21 PM
So you don't think that Jax DL going through our O-line every other play had anything to do with it? How about Ben not playing for almost 7 months? I personally think that all the doom and gloom is completely un-necessary. It is the second game of the season there is plenty of time to make the needed adjustments. One last thing. Even if Batch was put in there last night, it still doesn't change the fact that there were lots of dropped balls, and some bad routes ran as well.


Concur. I for one did not underestimate the Jaguars and neither did Cowher.

Santonio Holmes had better start to show that the risk of putting the ball in his hands (when he does run the correct route) is worth it. He looks clearly apathetic with his return duties. If anyone thinks he is showing any glimpse of progress I be interested in hearing about it because I am more and more baffled with his presence. Yes I know he is a rookie and it is the second game. But trying to figure out the NFL w/ "on the field" training is going to start to yield diminishing returns.

Also baffling is why Willie Reid is not getting the opportunity to return kicks. His preseason work showed creativity and speed. I guess the coaching staff has their reasons.

HometownGal
09-19-2006, 02:33 PM
There is no gloom and doom -- but I think the concerns about Parker are valid -- he has got to run smarter -- the Steelers entire offensive philosophy rests on him being successful...it was not all on the Oline last night -- I do have confidence that the proper adjustments will be made and the Steelers will crush Cincy -- but I am not sold on Parker as a smart every down back that makes good decisions....

He's got to run smarter through what - a brick wall? Jax's DL plugged up every conceivable hole that the OL tried to open up and when he started trying to run east/west instead of head-on, he was again met by the corners of that brick wall. Mike Smith and Jack Del Rio obviously did their homework and did it well and their D executed their defensive game plan beautifully - I have to give credit where credit is due.

pucho58
09-19-2006, 02:37 PM
There is no need to panic. When Ben gets the rust oof and the defense keeps playing like they played last night, the Steelers will be hard to stop.

Atlanta Dan
09-19-2006, 03:06 PM
Concur. I for one did not underestimate the Jaguars and neither did Cowher.

Santonio Holmes had better start to show that the risk of putting the ball in his hands (when he does run the correct route) is worth it. He looks clearly apathetic with his return duties. If anyone thinks he is showing any glimpse of progress I be interested in hearing about it because I am more and more baffled with his presence. Yes I know he is a rookie and it is the second game. But trying to figure out the NFL w/ "on the field" training is going to start to yield diminishing returns.

Also baffling is why Willie Reid is not getting the opportunity to return kicks. His preseason work showed creativity and speed. I guess the coaching staff has their reasons.

I agree it is time to see what Reid can do. After botching another punt I assume Coclough will not be handling another kick (and IMHO will be gone after this season unless McFadden really falters).

Steelers drafted WRS with a #1 and #3 pick - having elected that draft strategy it is puzzling why you would sit a #3, especially since I assume Reid was drafted, at least in part, to address the still unresolved hole in the return game caused by ARE's departure to the Redskins.

Holmes is a rookie and the NFL is a lot harder to figure out than college, but Holmes reminds me of Plax not only for packing a lot of attitude but in having the same difficulties in picking up the playbook and generally dim plays (can't someone explain to Holmes you do not catch/return certain punts and kick-offs depending where you are on the field?!) that Burress had his rookie season.

The Steelers effectively stretched pre-season into the first 2 games of the regular season (a Miami win that in retrospect looks less impressive and a dud game against Jax) due to Ben's latest problems. Starting on Sunday it is time to start taking care of business.