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Steelers
09-25-2006, 10:14 PM
I mean, yes he had 3 interceptions. But, that's only 1 more than Carson's 2. Carson also fumbled the ball twice...

I think the beastly wind made both quarterbacks seem MUCH worse than they are and anyone calling for Ben's head here, needs to see this. I'm not one to make excuses, and I honestly think that his "inaccuracy" needs to be somewhat accredited to the windy conditions.

A breeze here or a gust there could've completely changed the game.




Not for ChokeLEE though. He just plain sucks. :helmet:

Bigsteve332310
09-25-2006, 10:35 PM
I was actually thinking it may have been the wide recievers lack to get open. It seemed like the line gave ben plenty of time but he had nobody to throw to and at times tried to force it. There were also some balls that could have been caught. The loss hurts but its a 16 game season we will be back im not worried.

SteelerMurf
09-25-2006, 10:41 PM
I was at the game, there were not many guys open most of the day. And when Ben put it there they dropped it. They dropped 3 first downs and a TD by my count.

I think Ben is very hesitent to pull it down and run. I think that is the difference this year, he is not taking a scramble and turning it into a 5 yard gain, he now thinks he has to throw it.

Read in another thread I posted that Tunch Ilkin broke down 2 of Ben's INTs.

the first, Miller did not do a very good sell on block and was held up by the linebacker and wasn't in the spot that the play is designed to go to...and Ben hurried the throw off his back foot. I don't think he should have thrown it, but I see where he thought Miller should be.

On the 2nd INT, Ben read correctly single coverage on Wilson and threw to him when he was open. He stepped on a foot and felll down when he threw it, also the wind blew it down. By the time the ball got there it looked like there was tripple coverage when there wasn't.

I can't fault Ben on the last INT when he has to throw in the endzone no matter what.

And let us not forget the perfect pass that Washington dropped. He catches that, we very well may have been kicking a field goal with 10 seconds left to tie.

jaysta
09-25-2006, 11:00 PM
Hopefully once he heals up completely he'll be more comfortable to run it when no one is open. I have to agree that even though his passer rating wasn't very good, he controlled the tempo of the game by mixing up the run with calculated passes. It was ours to win...or lose. Yesterday just wasn't our day.

stunta86
09-25-2006, 11:02 PM
I mean, yes he had 3 interceptions. But, that's only 1 more than Carson's 2. Carson also fumbled the ball twice...

I think the beastly wind made both quarterbacks seem MUCH worse than they are and anyone calling for Ben's head here, needs to see this. I'm not one to make excuses, and I honestly think that his "inaccuracy" needs to be somewhat accredited to the windy conditions.

A breeze here or a gust there could've completely changed the game.




Not for ChokeLEE though. He just plain sucks. :helmet:

4td for palmer.....that made up for the 2 ints, the second wasn't palmers fault, henry got blasted and it bounced off of him and landed in ike's hands...........we can make all the excuses in the world for ben but fact is he played like crap.....what are your excuses for him playing like crap against the jags??

jaysta
09-25-2006, 11:06 PM
what are your excuses for him playing like crap against the jags??

That game we were just plain terrible! :helmet:

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-26-2006, 01:34 AM
we can make all the excuses in the world for ben but fact is he played like crap.....what are your excuses for him playing like crap against the jags??

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Did you ever stop to think about what he's been through the last few months?? First the accident and recovery time... time usually spent getting on the same page as the recievers, not to mention working out and getting in game shape. Then another 2 weeks off for surgery at probably the most important time of preseason... He may not be lighting the world o fire right now but I believe there are plenty of reasons!!

BTW Please watch your step while jumping on and off of the bandwagon!!

silver2000svt
09-26-2006, 01:38 AM
That pick over the middle is as bad a throw as you will EVER see in the NFL...

Jim Schue
09-26-2006, 01:56 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Did you ever stop to think about what he's been through the last few months?? First the accident and recovery time... time usually spent getting on the same page as the recievers, not to mention working out and getting in game shape. Then another 2 weeks off for surgery at probably the most important time of preseason... He may not be lighting the world o fire right now but I believe there are plenty of reasons!!

BTW Please watch your step while jumping on and off of the bandwagon!!

Good post.
:thumbsup:

I'm like you ? given the stop-and-start nature of Ben's preseason, it would be absurd to have expected him to be razor-sharp right out of the gate. The bye week can be spent working with receivers and getting everyone on the same page in the passing game, and things will work themselves out.

Livinginthe past
09-26-2006, 07:00 AM
I remember poor Tommy Maddox getting absolutely roasted for blaming the wind, when he threw a bunch of interceptions.

My guess would be is that is Steeler policy to never, EVER blame the wind for not getting the job done.

Colclough could blame the very same wind for making him back pedal faster than your average politician on that punt return - it seemed pretty obvious that the wind got hold of it late during its flight.

NM

Infamix
09-26-2006, 08:15 AM
I'm pretty sure Ben will be ready for San Diego

Woogie
09-26-2006, 08:23 AM
My husband broke it down pretty much the same way many of you have in this post (meaning the more positive aspects). I feel even better after reading it from others a day and a half later.

I still have faith! It was only game 3.:tt02:

Atlanta Dan
09-26-2006, 08:34 AM
I remember poor Tommy Maddox getting absolutely roasted for blaming the wind, when he threw a bunch of interceptions.

My guess would be is that is Steeler policy to never, EVER blame the wind for not getting the job done.

Colclough could blame the very same wind for making him back pedal faster than your average politician on that punt return - it seemed pretty obvious that the wind got hold of it late during its flight.

NM

When you have 2 seasons like Ben has had to start off his career you are more likely to have the fans cut you some slack when you blame the wind than was the case with Tommy Turnover (who was well removed from his 2002 successes when he got roasted in 2005). As for Ricardo Coclough (who has never accomplished anything and probably did not enhance his long term prospects in Pittsburgh by apparently having the gall to ask Cowher on the sideline why Taylor replaced him on the kickoff returns after the last Cincy TD), I believe he knows laying low may be the only survival option that remains open to him.

I do agreee that at some point Ben needs to zip it with the excuses (he still is getting zinged for the "104 degree fever") and just start returning to form, notably by occassionally scrambling for poistive yardage as he did during his first 2 seasons. If he cannot do that anymore due to the injury trauma then there really may be a long term problem coming out of the accident.

I am to the point I am considering mailing a can of Rustoleum to him if I hear any more discussions about "rust" - that word needs to be dumped from the vocabulary of Ben and Cowher.

Steelers
09-26-2006, 12:01 PM
I do agreee that at some point Ben needs to zip it with the excuses (he still is getting zinged for the "104 degree fever") and just start returning to form

1. Michelle Tafoya started the whole 104 degree temperature thing. It was 100.4 and she tripped up.

2. Immediately after the JAX game, Ben owned up to his mistakes. He hasn't made one excuse that I'm aware of.

Atlanta Dan
09-26-2006, 12:13 PM
1. Michelle Tafoya started the whole 104 degree temperature thing. It was 100.4 and she tripped up.

2. Immediately after the JAX game, Ben owned up to his mistakes. He hasn't made one excuse that I'm aware of.

If the "104 degree/100.4degree" flap was an isolated incident, it would not have legs. For whatever reason, Ben has made a number of media unsavvy comments since his rise to fame in late 2004 and it was in that context that fevergate arose.

I agree that he probably will grow out of it, but it will remain an issue until Ben cust it out and/or Cowher decides to quit calling Ben out in front of the press on what appear to exaggerations.

I think the local media really wants to work with Ben, hence the stories about Ben taking the blame after the Cincy loss rather than chewing over various scenarios tossed out by Ben - "I stepped on my lineman's foot"/"the wind knocked it down" (Steelers had the wind in the 3rd Q ) - for that terrible chuck down the middle of the field for INT #2.

My point is that after 2 full games the "rust" defense needs to be put to rest.

tony hipchest
09-26-2006, 12:21 PM
My point is that after 2 full games the "rust" defense needs to be put to rest. well this bye week is bad timing for ben then cause he wont come out firing on all cylenders. even before this year, hes never looked all that great after a period off longer than a week, whether it be due to a bye week or coming back from an injury.

Livinginthe past
09-27-2006, 10:55 AM
Personally, I think it could take more than 2 games to get rid of Bens rust - his body and mind have suffered alot of trauma during the offseason.

Its not just his throwing mechanics that are off - its his understanding with his WR's which is misssing - due to his lengthy lay off he has no chemistry with them and his Mr Reliable is playing injured.

If Ben is looking back to his old self by week 7 or 8 he would be doing well - its upto the D and ST to compensate enough so that the Steelers aren't out of the playoff race by then.

NM

Atlanta Dan
09-27-2006, 02:48 PM
Assuming he got the requisite number of reps in training camp, his "lengthy layoff" consisted of missing a week of practice after the appendectomy. Hindsight is flawless, but for once I am in agreement with Theismann, who said in preseason that Ben needed to play more in the exhibition games. Ben's playing time is part of a preseason in which the lack of urgency has resulted in problems.

As LITP points out, a lot of th offensive problems are due to Ward being down, which is Ben's security blanket.

Combine that with Wilson having made crucial drops in the Jax & Cincy games, Washington being an enigma, and Holmes playing like even good rookies do and the receiving corps is a train wreck.

Waiting until October 8 for a game will be a pain - a loss then and I will be pushing the panic button.

Haiku_Dirtt
09-27-2006, 03:13 PM
Personally, I think it could take more than 2 games to get rid of Bens rust - his body and mind have suffered alot of trauma during the offseason.

Its not just his throwing mechanics that are off - its his understanding with his WR's which is misssing - due to his lengthy lay off he has no chemistry with them and his Mr Reliable is playing injured.

If Ben is looking back to his old self by week 7 or 8 he would be doing well - its upto the D and ST to compensate enough so that the Steelers aren't out of the playoff race by then.

NM

Completely agree. The game in San Diego is not as critical as a win than it is as a performance - meaning our QB and receivers. If they get it together then we should be heading into Baltimore on Thanksgiving weekend with a 7-3 record.

I like our chances against the Falcons in the ATL and the Broncos at home. The Saints are a nice story and have a sick RB tandem (very envious btw) but Reggie doesn't know Steeler defense...yet.

Assuming the problem is "rust" and not concussion-related impairments then 11-5 is a realistic outcome even with a loss in San Diego.

Haiku_Dirtt
09-27-2006, 03:25 PM
Assuming he got the requisite number of reps in training camp, his "lengthy layoff" consisted of missing a week of practice after the appendectomy. Hindsight is flawless, but for once I am in agreement with Theismann, who said in preseason that Ben needed to play more in the exhibition games. Ben's playing time is part of a preseason in which the lack of urgency has resulted in problems.

As LITP points out, a lot of th offensive problems are due to Ward being down, which is Ben's security blanket.

Combine that with Wilson having made crucial drops in the Jax & Cincy games, Washington being an enigma, and Holmes playing like even good rookies do and the receiving corps is a train wreck.

Waiting until October 8 for a game will be a pain - a loss then and I will be pushing the panic button.

What is unknowable is if Ben was really ready to go in the preseason. The accident set a new timetable and this is Ben's preseason right now. Unfortunately for us these games count. Some are pointing out how well Ben did on the final drive as a reason this bye week is bad. But the Bengals were giving Ben anything underneath which he took until he finally 'had' to make a play.

The new timetable just may mean that Ben will get it going just in time for a loss in San Diego. But that is hardly the time to hit the panic button. A loss to the Chiefs...now that is the time to hit the panic button - with a sledgehammer.