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desertsteel
09-30-2006, 11:53 AM
I know that he's rusty, overcoming injury, underweight, etc. However, from a film breakdown standpoint, what's really wrong with him. In all honesty, he looks the same as he did in the Super Bowl. Three games in a row, he's looked awful. Has anyone seen a breakdown on what he may be doing wrong that's correctable? I'm afraid if everyone thinks time alone will cure everything, something mechanical, or otherwise may be overlooked. It's too tough to tell just watching the game on TV. Has Jaws or anyone else shown coaches' film on him? Also, what's your opinion (aside from the rusty, injured, underweight, usual stuff)?

desertsteel
09-30-2006, 10:21 PM
Here again is my concern: 50 people look at this post and no one has a reply. He's rusty, he's injured, he's overweight........................ He needs a QB doctor? Who plays that role for the Steelers?

Livinginthe past
10-01-2006, 01:09 AM
I'll have a go at answering this one - or at least sharing my opinion.

There is a possibility that bad habits have crept into Ben's game that are purely related to the mechanics of throwing the ball but I think another scenario is more likely.

The mental side of the game plays a huge part in the QB's technique - if he is feeling overly pressurised - either physically in the game or mentally regarding the game then he is unlikely to be devoting all of his mental resources in the right way.

There is a theory that Ben does not handle the pressure of being the QB on the team who is favorite in the 'big game' - his technique fell apart against the Patriots in his first year and also in the SB against Seattle.

This is the year Ben is supposed to step up and take the reins of the offense - to make it his team - maybe, what with all the added pressure of the various injuries (real and imagined), that his technique has deserted him.

Personally, I think we need to see him injury free and with some chemistry with his WR's before we start talking about altering his throwing mechanics.

NM

Elvis
10-01-2006, 05:48 AM
Over weight? He lost 30 lbs. since his motorcycle crash and is that much below the playin weight of last year and the year before... He is Not over weight... he is just having trouble reading and reacting and I think it will come with time in the games...

slashsteel
10-01-2006, 07:58 AM
There is a possibility that bad habits have crept into Ben's game that are purely related to the mechanics of throwing the ball but I think another scenario is more likely.

:screwy:

Yeah lets go with another scenerio.

The timing is off with Ben and his WR's. With almost three new wideouts and 2 offseason surgeries it isn't surprising to see Ben rusty. He will rebound as he has always been a hard worker. How far he has went and his win/loss record in his short NFL stint will back this comment up. Along with the light coming on after the bye. Write it down and quote me he will regain his pre SB form...........

desertsteel
10-01-2006, 08:57 AM
Over weight? He lost 30 lbs. since his motorcycle crash and is that much below the playin weight of last year and the year before... He is Not over weight... he is just having trouble reading and reacting and I think it will come with time in the games...
Obviously I meant to say underweight...

desertsteel
10-01-2006, 08:59 AM
Personally, I think we need to see him injury free and with some chemistry with his WR's before we start talking about altering his throwing mechanics.

NM

I'm referring to more than THROWING mechanics. What about his footwork, reads, etc.

HometownGal
10-01-2006, 09:07 AM
:screwy:

Yeah lets go with another scenerio.

The timing is off with Ben and his WR's. With almost three new wideouts and 2 offseason surgeries it isn't surprising to see Ben rusty. He will rebound as he has always been a hard worker. How far he has went and his win/loss record in his short NFL stint will back this comment up. Along with the light coming on after the bye. Write it down and quote me he will regain his pre SB form...........

Couldn't have said it better myself, slash. In addition, I believe a part of Ben's problems thus far this season stem from all he has been through medically/emotionally in such a short period of time. The physical side of Ben has pretty much healed....it is the mental side that takes much longer with any illness/accident/trauma. I think there may be a little fear in Ben, as well as some self-confidence issues, which are certainly undertandable, but I have no doubt he will work himself through it. No one can do it for him. Been there, done that.

blackvelvet
10-01-2006, 09:54 AM
I think it might be the whole appendoctomy thing. From experience, i know it takes about two weeks to fully recover. I know he's a pro athlete and I;m a 16 year old girl, but i heard from the doctors that stuff like that takes a while for anyone to recover. Hopefully, this bye week will be good for him and he'll be ready next week.

Livinginthe past
10-01-2006, 10:13 AM
I'm referring to more than THROWING mechanics. What about his footwork, reads, etc.


I would argue that footwork is part of the mechanics of throwing the ball.

Maybe his reads look ok when he drops back to throw - but his actual mechanics let him down when he tries to execute - a good example would be the deep ball he tried to throw and got picked off.

NM

Man_Of_Steel
10-01-2006, 11:33 AM
I say he is wayyyyy out of football shape. He is not running/scrambling like he use to. He's gotta get tons of practice in if you ask me and how Cowher basically gave them all of last week off was a mistake. He's gotta keep throwing and running, he is not the same QB and he's got to get back into a rhythym. I hope the lack of practice doesn't hurt them.

FHarris32
10-01-2006, 11:44 AM
I think he will be fine, I actually think this week off will be good for him. I don't think he was ready to come back for the whole game against Jacksonville or for Cinncinati... I think its a combination of things... I am glad Cowher started him those games but I dont think he should have played whole game.... I wish Cowher would have put Batch in there some... I think It would have made a huge difference in the way Ben was playing and in the overall game.

BigJen
10-01-2006, 05:08 PM
At least he has the whole PTSD excuse already in place!:binky:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
10-01-2006, 09:38 PM
i dont think all the blame can go on Ben.......He has thrown many great balls that were just dropped by recievers.......I thinks its getting on pace with the rest of his team

arburton300
10-01-2006, 11:28 PM
i think ben may be a little rusty but i think the main problem is that the steelers really don't have anyone to stretch the defence. we are finally feeling the absence of randle el and yes burress

jason97673
10-01-2006, 11:32 PM
I really dont miss Burress or ARE.

I wanted our team to keep Morgan because of all the inexperience at WR. Our WRs have probably dropped 10 passes in the past 2 games, all of which were great throws and I know the one to Nate was a TD, Ward dropped some also.

They will get hot again. Wilson was awesome last year in the playoffs. I expected a big year from him (Well in terms of the steelers offense 40 catches is big).

We also drafted Holmes for a reason. Why dont they use this guy and his great speed and send him deep. I want to see what he can do. He and ward most likely have the best hands but Ward is hurting a little bit. I wanted Holmes to start as the 2nd WR at the begining.

As for Ben, he will be fine. Last year after coming back from injury he stunk and lost to indy and cincy and was on fire the rest of the year. He needs to run more too. Used to run 3-4 times game. Just run for 10 yards and get a first down every once in awhile if their arent any corners or LBs lurking.

arburton300
10-02-2006, 12:20 AM
i do agree with you about homes and i also feel that ben will be alright. having a receiver with blazing speed to stretch the defense will help both the passing and running game

SteelersWoman
10-02-2006, 01:25 AM
What I see different in Big Ben--comparing his good games to his bad ones--is not so much mechanics (to me)--but rather related to a frame of mind.

In bad ones, it just seems like he's off in left field--even his face shows it. He also appears to be trying too hard, and seems stiff. You can almost see the desperation in his eyes when he starts feelin the pressure of what to do with the ball. And on some throws, he's just takin too long--it's almost like that old saying--think long, think wrong.

In good games, it seems to just "be there". He doesn't have to reach for it---he looks confident, appears relaxed, makes decisions quickly, and has the presence of mind to get out there and slide for a few if he has to.

SteelCzar76
10-02-2006, 03:46 AM
What surprises me the most is that no one seems to realize or take into consideration that Cedric and Nate Washington are NOT quality receivers. Why is it that people feel as though these average "Journeymen" players are all of the sudden capable of grand deeds once they become Steelers ?
Ben's issue's right now are more so a product of mental errors and rust from a lack of playing time. Coach actually did him a disservice by coddling him and not allowing him more Reps in the preseason.
And to add insult to injury Hines is not himself. But even when he is,.... it's not hard to for teams to gameplan for us when Ben only has two targets and one of those is a tight end.
Antwan wasn't very productive as a receiver,....but he provided points on special teams and at least a threat that had to be accounted for lined up with Hines. Neither of the aformentioned (Wilson, Washington) even do that much.
Bottom line,.....Ben has to get his mind right and produce,...but i have far more faith in his ability to do so,... than i do in the sub par wr's we have on the field. It's like dropping a guy off in afghanistan with a 38 snub and a compass and saying "Ok,...now bring us Osama's head" Can you say Cluster Fook boy's and girls ? LOL "Knock it Off"



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Livinginthe past
10-02-2006, 03:52 AM
What surprises me the most is that no one seems to realize or take into consideration that Cedric and Nate Washington are NOT quality receivers. Why is it that people feel as though these average "Journeymen" players are all of the sudden capable of grand deeds once they become Steelers ?
Ben's issue's right now are more so a product of mental errors and rust from a lack of playing time. Coach actually did him a disservice by coddling him and not allowing him more Reps in the preseason.
And to add insult to injury Hines is not himself. But even when he is,.... it's not hard to for teams to gameplan for us when Ben only has two targets and one of those is a tight end.
Antwan wasn't very productive as a receiver,....but he provided points on special teams and at least a threat that had to be accounted for lined up with Hines. Neither of the aformentioned (Wilson, Washington) even do that much.
Bottom line,.....Ben has to get his mind right and produce,...but i have far more faith in his ability to do so,... than i do in the sub par wr's we have on the field. It's like dropping a guy off in afghanistan with a 38 snub and a compass and saying "Ok,...now bring us Osama's head" Can you say Cluster Fook boy's and girls ? LOL "Knock it Off"



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"


I agree 100%.

I said on a few occasions that the Steelers WR corps is the weakest element of their team - the only reason they have put up numbers in the past is purely down to Bens ability to keep the play alive while they eventually get open.

When/If Ben gets back to 100% he will be able to compensate for the lack of catching talent - but he wont get any help before then - especially, as you say, with Hines not fully fit yet.

NM