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Elvis
10-01-2006, 06:20 AM
Ok... I know most of you dont think or want to talk about this right now... but if you had to chose one of these for our next heard coach, who would it be ... Grimm or Whisenhunt?
All I have to offer for advice is Just remember Mike Mularkey....
I chose Grimm, they are payin' him too much money to keep him around for no other reason in my opinion... I guess if you have another choice other than these 2 go ahead a voice your opinnion...:wave: :computer: :helmet: :tt02: :thumbsup:

Atlanta Dan
10-01-2006, 09:11 AM
Since it is a bye week I guess we can kick this question around again..

I believe it will be Whiz - traditional steppping stone to being a NFL head coach (unless you come out of college) is to be a coordinator first. In addition, I assume Whiz is tighter with Ben and keeping Ben happy is no small factor in hiring Cowher's replacemnt.

Two related questions:

1. Given that their name is on the rule, will the "Rooney Rule" potentially get the Steelers' owners boxed in to having to interview African-American HC candidates and then face claims that it was all a sham if an African-American is not hired as HC?

2 An equally important and related question is whether the Rooneys will suggest or the new HC will agree that Dick LeBeau stays as defensive coordinator. Since I do not regard LeBeau as someone who thinks he is or wants to be a HC candidate at his age it will be very helpful if the new HC will not feel a need to bring in his own team and dump LeBeau.
I assume Grimm will either get a HC job somewhere or leave to be an OC somewhere else if Cowher acts as I expect and leaves after 2006.

Dynasty
10-01-2006, 10:30 AM
Considering that recent coaching situations have shown that O-Line coaches usually have some problems with mastering the offense, and like it was stated before, Whiz has a good relationsip with Ben, i think he will get the job. But something that should be considered is that Grimm will give more discipline to the team than Whiz most likely.

4n2t0
10-01-2006, 11:13 AM
Since it is a bye week I guess we can kick this question around again..

I believe it will be Whiz - traditional steppping stone to being a NFL head coach (unless you come out of college) is to be a coordinator first. In addition, I assume Whiz is tighter with Ben and keeping Ben happy is no small factor in hiring Cowher's replacemnt.

Two related questions:

1. Given that their name is on the rule, will the "Rooney Rule" potentially get the Steelers' owners boxed in to having to interview African-American HC candidates and then face claims that it was all a sham if an African-American is not hired as HC?

2 An equally important and related question is whether the Rooneys will suggest or the new HC will agree that Dick LeBeau stays as defensive coordinator. Since I do not regard LeBeau as someone who thinks he is or wants to be a HC candidate at his age it will be very helpful if the new HC will not feel a need to bring in his own team and dump LeBeau.
I assume Grimm will either get a HC job somewhere or leave to be an OC somewhere else if Cowher acts as I expect and leaves after 2006.

1) Given the rule I wouldn't assume otherwise. Just because they know who they want (Whiz 97%) doesn't mean they can interview other candidates, which WILL definately occur.

2) The new HC will probably be forced to keep LeBeau, terms of hiring I would imagine. That's of course if LeBeau is content staying in Pittsburgh.

Atlanta Dan
10-01-2006, 11:35 AM
My point with the interviewing of African-American candidates when Cowher leaves is not that it should not happen if there is a level playing field of competition for an open position but the pointlessness of doing those interviews if the decision altready has been made.

If you really already have decided to hire a qualified candidate, going through sham interviews is simply tokenism that makes a mockery of what the rule was intended to achieve, which was more African-American HCs, not simply more African-American HC interviews.

Stlrs4Life
10-01-2006, 03:15 PM
Whisenhunt for me. So we can keep Grimm as our OL coach. I also believe though, Grimm is labled as our Ass't HC.

BigJen
10-01-2006, 04:22 PM
My point with the interviewing of African-American candidates when Cowher leaves is not that it should not happen if there is a level playing field of competition for an open position but the pointlessness of doing those interviews if the decision altready has been made.

If you really already have decided to hire a qualified candidate, going through sham interviews is simply tokenism that makes a mockery of what the rule was intended to achieve, which was more African-American HCs, not simply more African-American HC interviews.

This is an intersting point!. Whiz should be the man. I disagree with this equal opportunity crap involving coaches. If I own the team I want the best coach available regardless of color.

jaysta
10-01-2006, 05:28 PM
I have to go with Grimm. The guy was a former member of the Hogs for cryin' out loud! We need a tough guy in there who won't mind getting in the player's faces. Plus he's smart and a proven winner. Anyhow, this is kind of pointless right now because hopefully Bill stays around a few more years. :helmet:

Hines0wnz
10-01-2006, 06:46 PM
Neither. How many successful OC have been successful head coaches.....very few! I think the next coach will be from outside the Pittsburgh organization to infuse new life into the team. Not that it needs it but a breath of fresh air never hurts!

Having stated all that, Russ Grimm would be the most likely candidate to ascend to HC (from within Pittsburgh's org) but I doubt it seriously.

4n2t0
10-01-2006, 06:57 PM
Neither. How many successful OC have been successful head coaches.....very few! I think the next coach will be from outside the Pittsburgh organization to infuse new life into the team. Not that it needs it but a breath of fresh air never hurts!

Having stated all that, Russ Grimm would be the most likely candidate to ascend to HC (from within Pittsburgh's org) but I doubt it seriously.

Going with your outside theroy maybe Dave Wannstedt?

Hines0wnz
10-01-2006, 07:02 PM
Going with your outside theroy maybe Dave Wannstedt?

He is a Pittsburgh native, right? He may get an interview but his downfall is his already crappy record as a heach coach.

Elvis
10-01-2006, 08:16 PM
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY "NO" TO DAVE WANNSTEDT!~!!1
No way do I want him here in Pittsburgh... I guess someone had to have a bad Idea didnt they?
Grimm would give us that same mentality that Cowher gives us now, tough and run oriented... he played for one of the best running teams in NFL history in Washington with the Hogs and he would be very pushy for our team to be physical and play tough defense... NO Way to Dave Wannstedt....!!!

BlackNGold203
10-01-2006, 08:18 PM
I despise bye weeks......

Hines0wnz
10-01-2006, 10:38 PM
I despise bye weeks......

Why? :wink02:



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4n2t0
10-02-2006, 03:00 PM
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY "NO" TO DAVE WANNSTEDT!~!!1
No way do I want him here in Pittsburgh... I guess someone had to have a bad Idea didnt they?
Grimm would give us that same mentality that Cowher gives us now, tough and run oriented... he played for one of the best running teams in NFL history in Washington with the Hogs and he would be very pushy for our team to be physical and play tough defense... NO Way to Dave Wannstedt....!!!

Wether you like him or not means little to what will actually happen if Cowher retires! Reality is that Dave, a Pittsburgh native, will likely get an interview having been a prior NFL coach who just happens to be available at lowly Pitt lol. I wouldn't want him as our head coach either but he's be a likely candidate. My vote went to Marvin Lewis before the two year extension, now I think Wiz will get the job.

P.S. That Crucifiction icon is kinda creepy don't you think? I'm not poking fun, I'm serious.

Elvis
10-02-2006, 03:39 PM
If you dont understand what it stands for 4n2to then email me and I will let ya in on the secret...
Wannstedt is (was) a joke in the NFL in my opinion and he should Not be considered... its like the Raiders bringing back their old coach... no disrespect to him but it is past his time there also...Wannstedt would be a huge mistake!

Big D
10-03-2006, 02:45 PM
i see the steelers hiring an african american coach. For the simple fact of wouldnt it be kinda hypocritcle for them not too considering rooney was the biggest supporter of ethnic head coaches getting a chance

ARKIESTEEL
10-03-2006, 02:59 PM
My point with the interviewing of African-American candidates when Cowher leaves is not that it should not happen if there is a level playing field of competition for an open position but the pointlessness of doing those interviews if the decision altready has been made.

If you really already have decided to hire a qualified candidate, going through sham interviews is simply tokenism that makes a mockery of what the rule was intended to achieve, which was more African-American HCs, not simply more African-American HC interviews.

There is more African-American HCs now then there ever has been. Should there be more they hold a higher % of HC jobs than their % of population which has to be progress? Right? Or is there still upset African-American's that think they should hold more of these jobs??? Just wondering not pokeing for a fight

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
10-03-2006, 03:04 PM
The Whiz came back to pittsburgh for a reason, and it wasnt just to be a assistant coach, the job is his whenever cowher retires

sumo
10-03-2006, 03:06 PM
i see the steelers hiring an african american coach. For the simple fact of wouldnt it be kinda hypocritcle for them not too considering rooney was the biggest supporter of ethnic head coaches getting a chance

Why not Norm Chow? -- the guy's great - I have followed his career -- the guy is an Offensive genius -- if he had a half decent offense/quarterback to work with - he would be great

Big D
10-03-2006, 03:54 PM
Why not Norm Chow? -- the guy's great - I have followed his career -- the guy is an Offensive genius -- if he had a half decent offense/quarterback to work with - he would be great

for the simple reason he hasnt proven himself in the nfl yet. I think Chow and fisher both feel burned by the titans front office for passing on leinart. Leinart is already nfl ready. And vince young is at least 3 years away. Even though i dont think vince young will be an nfl qb.

sumo
10-03-2006, 04:17 PM
for the simple reason he hasnt proven himself in the nfl yet. I think Chow and fisher both feel burned by the titans front office for passing on leinart. Leinart is already nfl ready. And vince young is at least 3 years away. Even though i dont think vince young will be an nfl qb.

Hey -- I appreciate the comment on Leinart -- I started the Leinart thread today..I think he's going to be great -- even with the Cards -- I mentioned Chow because of the ethnic quota thing with coaches now and Rooney pushing hard for it in the first place-what if there is not a good African American coach available? - Norm is available and I hate for him to go back to the college ranks after only working with the Titans for a couple of years

Chow's system requires a decent and more importantly - smart QB or it won't work - end of story - he comes from the same origins as Walsh, Holmgren, Reid ...

Elvis
10-03-2006, 06:56 PM
We need a defensive whiz... not a offensive whiz.... IMAO