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83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 06:31 PM
Game note: Nils Ekman will be out tonight (flu).

SteelCityMan786
12-09-2006, 06:36 PM
I wouldn't risk him anyway.

83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 08:41 PM
2-1 Pens after two.

First period: Ouellet, Armstrong and Malone all blew solid chances. Nothing new there.

Second period: Staal scores but Ruutu took the dumb interference penalty to negate the goal. Unbelievable.

For the most part we are completely outplaying the Thrashers, but once again our wingers can't put it away and a stupid penalty taken to negate Staal's goal.

Malkin and Sid with the goals (shocker).

83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Third period: Whitney with the Penguin goal. Melichar can't clear on the Thrashers PP (penalty taken by our "veteran leader" Mark Recchi) and they score. How ya doin' in WBS/Scranton Noah Welch? Kapi with the tying goal for the Thrashers. We are going to OT.

SteelCityMan786
12-09-2006, 09:33 PM
Looks like Atlanta wants to go for 5 more. That's fine we're not in a hurry.

83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 09:37 PM
PENS WIN IN OT!!!!! COLBY ARMSTRONG!!!!

Thank you Malkin for the very nice play and thank you Army for finally putting it away. It's nice to see somebody besides Malkin or Sid score a goal.

Nice win, WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Way to bounce back.

SteelCityMan786
12-09-2006, 09:39 PM
HEY ATLANTA YOU TAKE IT TO OVERTIME BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN NOT BE STUNG IN THE PROCESS! LOL!

83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 09:42 PM
*High fives SCM*

Nice win. Move forward from here on out brother. Bring on the Crapitals!!!!

SteelCityMan786
12-09-2006, 09:43 PM
*High fives SCM*

Nice win. Move forward from here on out brother. Bring on the Crapitals!!!!

*return high five to 83*

Definantly a good win. Hey Alexander the worst. BRING IT ON.

X-Terminator
12-09-2006, 10:17 PM
You know, I read that article...now I'm just as upset as anyone with the recent skid the Pens have had, but talking about replacing the coach or making trades is just silly. NOBODY expected the Pens to make the playoffs this season, and a solid start does not and should not change that. I've said from day one - even during the good start - that people need to temper their enthusiasm, because there were going to be plenty of growing pains with this team, and putting an undue burden on them does absolutely no good whatsoever. They're the second-youngest team in the league, for Christ's sake - let them grow as a team before we start raising the expectation level around here.

That said, nice win tonight...but they still need to get their asses in gear if they want to make the playoffs. And if they don't, hey...just having a significantly better record than last season is good enough for me.

83-Steelers-43
12-09-2006, 10:29 PM
*return high five to 83*

Definantly a good win. Hey Alexander the worst. BRING IT ON.

Amen to that. Sid's winning that personal and team battle 3-1. We still have time SCM to climb the ladder. As one poster already stated and which is very true, the NHL is a marathon not a sprint. :wink02:

SteelCityMan786
12-09-2006, 10:31 PM
AMEN BROTHER.

HometownGal
12-10-2006, 09:00 AM
You know, I read that article...now I'm just as upset as anyone with the recent skid the Pens have had, but talking about replacing the coach or making trades is just silly. NOBODY expected the Pens to make the playoffs this season, and a solid start does not and should not change that. I've said from day one - even during the good start - that people need to temper their enthusiasm, because there were going to be plenty of growing pains with this team, and putting an undue burden on them does absolutely no good whatsoever. They're the second-youngest team in the league, for Christ's sake - let them grow as a team before we start raising the expectation level around here.

That said, nice win tonight...but they still need to get their asses in gear if they want to make the playoffs. And if they don't, hey...just having a significantly better record than last season is good enough for me.

I"m definitely with you here, XT. I didn't go into this season with overly high expectations, as this is a very young team with a lot of talent and promise who are still "gelling". Why would anyone in their right mind even suggest replacing Therrien? He is, imho, just what this young team needs. I'm going to be patient and like you - if they make the playoffs, great - if they don't - hey - we have an exciting and promising young hockey team here in the Burgh which should provide a lot of excitement and playoff contention for years to come!

83-Steelers-43
12-10-2006, 09:17 AM
Dave Molinari on the Penguins: A weekly look inside the team, the issues, the questions
Sunday, December 10, 2006


Look for Versus to play up the Ovechkin Connection before and during tomorrow night's game in D.C.


Evgeni Malkin and Alexander Ovechkin challenged the world as members of Russia's Olympic team last winter.

Today, they'll take on cable TV.

Malkin, the Penguins' first-year center, and Ovechkin, the Washington winger who beat out Sidney Crosby as the NHL's top rookie last season, are slated to tape a joint interview with Versus, the network that will carry the Penguins' game against the Capitals tomorrow at 7:08 p.m. at the Verizon Center.

Good thing they'll be tag-team partners since Malkin doesn't speak -- or understand -- enough English to participate on his own. Consequently, Ovechkin will serve not only as co-star, but translator.

Odds are he won't mind, though, since he and Malkin have become buddies

"We're pretty close," Malkin said through translator George Birman. "When we played at the Olympics, we were roommates. We talked a lot during that time. Now, I still call him and try to keep in touch."

Tomorrow, however, will be the first time they've faced each other in North America.

"It's going to be very interesting," Malkin said.

Ovechkin told the Post-Gazette a few hours before he was awarded the Calder Trophy in June that he fully expected Malkin to win it this season, and word of that prediction made it back to Russia quickly.

"It was nice to hear something like that from him," Malkin said, smiling.

While he and Ovechkin have a lot in common, personality is not one of them. Ovechkin is far more animated and extroverted.

"He's kind of an outgoing guy," Malkin said. "He likes to have a lot of fun everywhere. Myself, I'm a little bit of a different guy. I'm a little bit, maybe, shy. I'm kind of quiet."

That does not mean, however, that Malkin does not admire some aspects of Ovechkin's demeanor. Or that he wouldn't like to emulate them.

"He's a great leader of his team, on the ice and off the ice," Malkin said. "His personality is just, 'Win the games and be the best.' "


The sign on the Igloo still reads Mellon


The city is losing another corporate headquarters, thanks to the Mellon Financial-Bank of New York merger last week, but it will be keeping the name of its arena.

At least for a couple more seasons.

A deal struck in 1999 gave Mellon the right to put its name on what used to be the Civic Arena for 10 years, and Penguins officials said they have no reason to think that will change before the contract expires in 2009.

Bank of New York, by the way, will have the right-of-first-refusal on the naming rights to their current arena's replacement, if one is built.


LeClair proof that character reveals itself in adversity


John LeClair left the Penguins with the same dignity and class which with he comported himself throughout his season-plus with them.

He never uttered a critical syllable about anyone -- no matter how unhappy he was about cuts in ice time, or how much it stung him when coach Michel Therrien stripped him of his alternate captaincy last season -- and set a high standard of professionalism for less experienced teammates.

"He really helped a lot of the younger guys, made a good impression on us," said center Sidney Crosby, who got the "A" that was taken from LeClair. "We have a lot of respect for him, as a player and a person."

And not just because he was nearly as old as some of his teammates' parents.

Consider what happened earlier this fall, when Therrien decided he wanted to have Crosby and Mark Recchi serve as alternate captains for all games, but split the third "A" between LeClair and defenseman Sergei Gonchar.

That LeClair accepted one at all was a surprise, given the way his previous one had been taken away, but he didn't stop there. He suggested that he wear the "A" on the road, and that Gonchar have one for home games.

The reason: LeClair's family remained in suburban Philadelphia, but Gonchar has his wife and daughter here, and LeClair reasoned that seeing Gonchar with the "A" would make his family proud. And perhaps, as a result, cause him to elevate his game.

General manager Ray Shero, by the way, not only spoke of his respect for LeClair and all that he has accomplished in his career, but acted on it.

He did not compel LeClair -- whose minor-league experience consists of eight games in the 1991-92 season -- to join the Penguins' farm team in Wilkes-Barre once he cleared his initial round of waivers (let alone suspend him for not reporting) and put him on re-entry waivers as quickly as possible under the league's collective bargaining agreement.

LeClair was sent to the Baby Penguins again three days ago, and it's possible -- even likely -- that in the very near future, the Penguins will press LeClair to retire or report to Wilkes-Barre, because they continue to be liable for his $1.5 million salary. That isn't necessarily a prohibitive burden, but it isn't prudent for a team with limited resources to keep paying an employee who is voluntarily inactive.

The way Shero has dealt with LeClair not only speaks to how he feels about him, but could add a little luster to Shero's reputation in his first general manager's job. If so, that could only work to the Penguins' advantage in the future.

Treat players with respect and dignity, the way Shero has LeClair, and word will get around. Alone, it might not be enough to, say, convince a free agent to sign with the Penguins, but it's could be a tiebreaker for guys choosing between two or more teams they see as being roughly equal.


From the flightless bird: Don't tread on me


Great to see the Penguins join the long list of NHL teams that have implanted a logo on their locker-room floor, then threatened to fine any unfortunate soul who dares to step on it.

Just one question: If the Penguins -- or players for Ottawa or Tampa Bay or any other club that has made its crest part of the carpeting -- are so horrified by the thought of it being walked on, shouldn't it have been placed on a wall or ceiling instead of the floor?

The going rate for violators in the Penguins' dressing room, by the way, is $100. With luck, offenders who are on the team payroll but earn less than the league minimum for players will be allowed to make payments on an installment plan.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06344/745009-61.stm

skidboot
12-11-2006, 10:14 AM
Staal is better off getting more Ice Time in the minors than being in Pittsburgh playing 4th line minutes.


I was watching a TV show up here and they were asking about the future of Therrien and they were saying that Mike Keenan would be a great fit in Pittsburgh.

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 10:38 AM
Staal is better off getting more Ice Time in the minors than being in Pittsburgh playing 4th line minutes.


I was watching a TV show up here and they were asking about the future of Therrien and they were saying that Mike Keenan would be a great fit in Pittsburgh.

One problem, we can't send him to the minors (age restrictions). We had two options in the beginning of the season when it came to Jordan Staal.

1) Keep him here.

2) Send him to juniors.

My first comments dealing with that particular situation was that the kid deseves to stay up on this roster ONLY if he plays on one of the top three lines. IMO, he had nothing to gain in juniors. I still stand by my opinion.

As for Keenan. If Keenan became this teams HC I would strongly debate taking the Fort Duquesne Bridge. I can't stand Mike Keenan. Personally, I don't feel Therrien should take complete blame for the way this team has played as of late. It's not his fault Ryan Malone can't score on a open net. It's not his fault Melichar plays horrible defense. It's not his fault Ouellet, Recchi, Talbot, Ruutu and Ekman can't seem to find the back of the net.

At the same time, I don't agree with his line management. The Recchi-Sid-Malone line is just not cutting it in my book. Personally, I would put Armstrong back on that line. Putting Staal on the 4th line is even worse. Eventually he's going to have to set the lines and let these kids play together for a longer period of time. The majority of players (John Cullen during an interview at the Atlanta game) will tell you it's not easy playing on team where the lines are switched up night after night. Especially with a young team. You can't mold.

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 11:14 AM
Penguins vs Capitals tonight on Versus at 7:00 PM.

This is a pretty scary game. While we dominated the Caps for the most part last season, they have won five of their last six games, including games against the Stars, Sabres, and Sens. On top of that they have been playing with some high intensity. I'm sure they will send that bum Brashear out to jump on Malkin and Crosby, we will need Thorburn, Ruutu and Petro to do the same to Ovechkin.

Going to be a close one in my opinion. 5-4 PENS.

Quick notes:

Penguins are 1-5 in past six games at Washington. ... RW Michel Ouellet does not have a goal in seven games. ... Road power play ranks eighth in NHL, with conversion rate of 18.4 percent.

Capitals have gone 7-6-2 at home. ... Ex-Penguins RW Matt Bradley has three goals, all unassisted. ... Are 8-3 against opponents who had 100-plus points last season.

Hidden stat: Capitals have outscored their opponents, 10-4, during the final minute of periods

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 03:12 PM
Crosby leads NHL all-star voting
Monday, December 11, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WASHINGTON -- Penguins center Sidney Crosby continues to be the top vote-getter among Eastern Conference players in fan balloting for the NHL All-Star Game Jan. 24 in Dallas.

Crosby has 532,068 votes; Buffalo goalie Ryan Miller is second in the conference with 339,086.

Updated totals were released this afternoon. They show Crosby, Washington left winger Alexander Ovechkin (289,470) and Sabres center Daniel Briere (284,131) to be leading Eastern forwards, while Toronto's Bryan McCabe (332,221) and Buffalo's Brian Campbell (329,564) rank first and second among defensemen.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06345/745326-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 03:13 PM
LeClair unsure about reporting to Wilkes-Barre
Monday, December 11, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WASHINGTON -- Veteran left winger John LeClair, waived by the Penguins nearly two weeks ago, said today he hasn't "really put any thought into" whether he would accept an assignment to their American Hockey League affiliate in Wilkes-Barre.

He also said he doesn't know if general manager Ray Shero, who had hoped to have the matter resolved by early this week, will try to bring the issue to a head by suspending him.

LeClair, who returned to his home in suburban Philadelphia after being put on waivers, said as mid-afternoon approached that he had not spoken with Shero, but that he thought he might before the day ended.

If LeClair declines to join the Baby Penguins, the Penguins have the right to suspend him and stop making payments on his $1.5 million salary.

He seems like a longshot to play in the minors, but did not categorically rule it out.

LeClair, unhappy with the reduced role he had been given by the Penguins, had hoped that another team would claim he when he was put on waivers.

"We took a shot to see if waivers would produce something, but nothing materialized," he said.

LeClair later cleared re-entry waivers; if he had been claimed then, his new team would have been responsible for only half of his salary, with the Penguins picking up the rest.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06345/745324-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
12-11-2006, 08:07 PM
This is just sickening

SteelCityMan786
12-11-2006, 08:20 PM
FINALLY on the board.

SteelCityMan786
12-11-2006, 08:49 PM
4-3!!!!!!!! IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!

SteelCityMan786
12-11-2006, 09:23 PM
TIED UP! LET'S GO PENS!

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 09:49 PM
That was a bullshit call against Malkin with less than 30 seconds left in the third. You don't call that penalty.

It wasn't as if Malkin was in his own zone impeding a scoring chance for the Capitals. He attempted to shield the puck and he got his elbow up on a Cap who came up to his waist.

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 10:02 PM
PENS win in shootout!!!!!!

I CALLED IT!!!! Post #500.

SteelCityMan786
12-11-2006, 10:04 PM
GOOD NIGHT ALEXANDER THE TERRIBLE!

WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

83-Steelers-43
12-11-2006, 10:23 PM
5 points out of a possible 6 on the road? I'll take it for sure. Nice win.

Prosdo
12-12-2006, 12:15 AM
What a game! That was an awesome effort by the Pens.

83-Steelers-43
12-12-2006, 11:30 AM
The Malkin head fake in the S.O. was something else.

Last night was the reason why I don't like it when Therrien puts Malone-Sid-Recchi together. He broke them up, put Malkin with Sid and they started scoring goals. Go figure.

83-Steelers-43
12-12-2006, 12:05 PM
LeClair rules out playing in minors
Tuesday, December 12, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

WASHINGTON -- Left winger John LeClair has informed the Penguins that he won't accept an assignment to their minor-league team in Wilkes-Barre.

But while LeClair won't go to the American Hockey League, it isn't clear where he is headed.

Three possibilities: a suspension; retirement; or another team.

LeClair did not speak about his specific options yesterday, but said he hopes to "make the best" of his situation and find a way to remain in the NHL.

General manager Ray Shero spoke with LeClair and his agent, Lewis Gross, and said last night that he believes the situation could be resolved after he talks to them again today.

"We want to see what the next available steps are for John and his career," Shero said.

"I don't believe he wants to retire at this point ... so we'll continue to do what's best for us and John, and his goal to play in the NHL."

Because LeClair already has passed through waivers and re-entry waivers without being claimed, it seems unlikely that another team would be interested in acquiring him now. It's conceivable, though, that a team might reconsider acquiring him because of injuries sustained after LeClair cleared.

"We took a shot to see if waivers would produce something, but nothing materialized," LeClair said. "Hopefully, something can break."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06346/745472-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-13-2006, 02:15 PM
Penguins owner appears before state gaming control board
Wednesday, December 13, 2006

By Tracie Mauriello, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Harrisburg -- New Penguins owner Jim Balsillie told the state Gaming Control board today that Plan B could be a vehicle to keep the team in Pittsburgh if Isle of Capri is not awarded the city's slots license next week.

Returning to Harrisburg a second time to testify before the board, Mr. Balsillie said he would pursue the Plan B alternative funding proposal for an arena with local politicians if Isle of Capri doesn't win the three-way competition. However, he reiterated that the Isle's plan, with its pledge of $290 million for a new arena, is the best because it guarantees that the team will stay in Pittsburgh. Plan B does not.

The Penguins would not be required to kick in any money under the Isle of Capri proposal. Under Plan B, it would be obligated to contribute $8.5 million upfront and $4 million a year for 30 years toward the construction -- points that could be subject to negotiation if either Forest City Enterprises or PITG Gaming LLC gets the casino license.

If Mr. Balsillie is unable to cut a deal with Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato for a new arena under Plan B, he would be free to move the team elsewhere. The Penguins' Mellon Arena lease expires at the end of June. He told the board he wants to keep the club in Pittsburgh, but only if he gets a new arena to play in.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06347/745797-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-13-2006, 05:53 PM
Always a fun one against the Cryers. Both Forsberg and Carter are out tonight. The only aspect of this game that scares me is that the Cryers are due for a win (lost four in a row) and we are coming off a road trip. Eitherway, good teams automatically win these type of games.

I called 5-4 Pens against the Caps and ended up spot on. Tonight I'm going 5-2 Penguins.

83-Steelers-43
12-13-2006, 10:53 PM
Sidney Crosby with six points tonight. All I have to say........imagine if he had legitimate wingers.

Look at Jagr who is an excellent hockey player in my opinion (anybody with a hockey brain would agree). He plays on a line with Shanny and Straka. After tonight, Crosby is three points in front of him in the standings and he plays on a line with a used up Mark Recchi and a hot and mostly cold Ryan Malone.

Just imagine..............

X-Terminator
12-13-2006, 11:50 PM
Jagr does not play with Shanny - he plays with Straka and Michael Nylander. Shanny is on the second line with Matt Cullen, but I don't know who the RW is on that line.

As for the game tonight, it was great seeing the Pens abuse the Flyers again - 5-0 against them this season! Sid with 6 points and Gonchar with 5 - just unreal nights for both. After this game, there is no question now that the Flyers are the worst team in the NHL. St. Louis is even better than they are.

83-Steelers-43
12-14-2006, 12:51 AM
lol, my apologies. Nylander and Straka who both have 38 points a piece while playing with Jagr. Eitherway.....:coffee:

Anyways, SCM you catch that game? Nice win by the Pens. Nice to see Ouellet find the back of the net even though I would still send him down to WBS and bring up Filewich. The Staal goal was beautiful.

Amazing how the doom and gloom can be turned around with a nice road trip and a Flyer beating huh? LET'S GO PENS!!!!

X-Terminator
12-14-2006, 01:48 AM
Dude, seriously...I nor anyone else ever once said that Jagr wasn't a great player. He clearly is. I don't like or respect the man for being the whining prima donna that he is, but I will never take that away from him.

83-Steelers-43
12-14-2006, 08:09 AM
Dude, seriously...I nor anyone else ever once said that Jagr wasn't a great player. He clearly is. I don't like or respect the man for being the whining prima donna that he is, but I will never take that away from him.

Oh boy. Here we go again.

Ummm....I was using him as an example since he was leading the NHL in points before Sid came along last night. That is why his name popped up last night. A good number of fans around the league (never stated you or anybody else on this board) jumped on the guy for his performance in D.C. and wrote the guy off as if he never helped a hockey franchise win two Stanley Cups.

Prosdo
12-14-2006, 12:28 PM
lol, my apologies. Nylander and Straka who both have 38 points a piece while playing with Jagr. Eitherway.....:coffee:

Anyways, SCM you catch that game? Nice win by the Pens. Nice to see Ouellet find the back of the net even though I would still send him down to WBS and bring up Filewich. The Staal goal was beautiful.

Amazing how the doom and gloom can be turned around with a nice road trip and a Flyer beating huh? LET'S GO PENS!!!!

That was a great goal. Getting passed a defender and totally faking the goalie out!

83-Steelers-43
12-14-2006, 02:36 PM
Penguins, LeClair part ways
Thursday, December 14, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins will formally sever their ties to left winger John LeClair today, and are expected to do it in a fairly creative fashion.

Rather than suspending LeClair, who has declined to accept an assignment to their farm team in Wilkes-Barre, or having him retire, the Penguins apparently will use a fairly obscure portion of the NHL's collective bargaining agreement called "unconditional waivers."

Under that provision of the CBA, teams offer the rights to a player to other teams for a fee of $125, then has the ability to terminate his contract, a move LeClair -- who will become an unrestricted free agent -- presumably has endorsed.

This way of resolving the issue prevents the Penguins from having to suspend a highly respected veteran, but frees them from having to pay his salary, although it apparently will continue to count against their salary cap.

LeClair, meanwhile, is free to seek work with any team that's interested in him and to negotiate a new contract that might be more palatable to that club than the one he had with the Penguins.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06348/746166-100.stm

skidboot
12-15-2006, 10:38 AM
Penguins @ Habs on Saturday!




We're gonna crush the Pens!
Crush em eh!


Step on them and punch them in the face.


Goooooooo Habs!



:)



BTW Jagr is a Prima Donna.
He's a Coach Killer.
He plays when he wants to play.

83-Steelers-43
12-15-2006, 01:08 PM
Kristopher Letang has been named captain of the Canadian junior hockey team:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=285332&page=NewsPage&service=page

83-Steelers-43
12-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Balsillie pulls out of Penguins purchase
Friday, December 15, 2006

Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie has withdrawn his offer to buy the Penguins after reaching a stalement with the NHL over last-minute demands by the league.

Those demands included a promise to keep the team in Pittsburgh under any circumstance and give the NHL the right to take control of the Penguins.

Balsillie, 45, chairman and co-CEO of a company that makes BlackBerry wireless devices, offered $175 million for the Penguins Oct. 4. He has said a new arena is required if the team is to remain in Pittsburgh.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06349/746509-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-15-2006, 06:17 PM
Do we have a ploy on our hands between the NHL, Balsillie and the Penguins organization to get the IOC plan pushed through? Balsillie already stated on a number of occasions that he wants to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. IF IOC get's the license I bet he buys.

Just a theory.

Petesburgh66
12-15-2006, 06:53 PM
Do we have a ploy on our hands between the NHL, Balsillie and the Penguins organization to get the IOC plan pushed through? Balsillie already stated on a number of occasions that he wants to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. IF IOC get's the license I bet he buys.

Just a theory.

Considering I live near the centre of the hockey universe (aka Toronto), the talk in the media here was that Balsillie was looking to move a team into the Kitchener/Waterloo area. He is so full of it that he wanted to keep the team in Pittsburgh. He already spent money via legal advise to find ways to move a NHL team to Canada.

The NHL did the right thing by laying down the conditions to keep the team in Pittsburgh. They do not want some Al Davis type of owner.

skidboot
12-15-2006, 07:03 PM
Considering I live near the centre of the hockey universe (aka Toronto), the talk in the media here was that Balsillie was looking to move a team into the Kitchener/Waterloo area. He is so full of it that he wanted to keep the team in Pittsburgh. He already spent money via legal advise to find ways to move a NHL team to Canada.

The NHL did the right thing by laying down the conditions to keep the team in Pittsburgh. They do not want some Al Davis type of owner.



Bang on Petesburgh.

I'm basically from the same neck of the woods as you are. You must be from Peterborough....I'm 45 mins away if this is where you are from.


Balsillie wanted to move that team...no doubt in my mind.

Pay 175M and then have the League tell you how to run your team?.....lol.

cbalke
12-15-2006, 08:37 PM
wow...i hadn't paid any attention to this basically since the news conference when he 'took over'. seemed a stretch for him to guarantee keeping the team in town given his history of wanting a team in canada.

oh well, it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out....

SteelCityMan786
12-15-2006, 08:58 PM
lol, my apologies. Nylander and Straka who both have 38 points a piece while playing with Jagr. Eitherway.....:coffee:

Anyways, SCM you catch that game? Nice win by the Pens. Nice to see Ouellet find the back of the net even though I would still send him down to WBS and bring up Filewich. The Staal goal was beautiful.

Amazing how the doom and gloom can be turned around with a nice road trip and a Flyer beating huh? LET'S GO PENS!!!!

I caught that game. IT WAS EXCELLENT.

X-Terminator
12-15-2006, 11:10 PM
Balsillie pulls out of Penguins purchase
Friday, December 15, 2006

Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie has withdrawn his offer to buy the Penguins after reaching a stalement with the NHL over last-minute demands by the league.

Those demands included a promise to keep the team in Pittsburgh under any circumstance and give the NHL the right to take control of the Penguins.

Balsillie, 45, chairman and co-CEO of a company that makes BlackBerry wireless devices, offered $175 million for the Penguins Oct. 4. He has said a new arena is required if the team is to remain in Pittsburgh.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06349/746509-100.stm

Considering I live near the centre of the hockey universe (aka Toronto), the talk in the media here was that Balsillie was looking to move a team into the Kitchener/Waterloo area. He is so full of it that he wanted to keep the team in Pittsburgh. He already spent money via legal advise to find ways to move a NHL team to Canada.

The NHL did the right thing by laying down the conditions to keep the team in Pittsburgh. They do not want some Al Davis type of owner.

Bang on Petesburgh.

I'm basically from the same neck of the woods as you are. You must be from Peterborough....I'm 45 mins away if this is where you are from.


Balsillie wanted to move that team...no doubt in my mind.

Pay 175M and then have the League tell you how to run your team?.....lol.

Vindicated.

83-Steelers-43
12-15-2006, 11:37 PM
I still think it's a ploy between the NHL, Balisllie and the Penguins. It's anybody's guess unless your on the inside. The good news, it seems the NHL has our back.

Was at the game tonight. Pumped up crowd. Nice to see and a great win against an Islander team who normally gives us a fight.

Petesburgh66
12-16-2006, 12:45 AM
Bang on Petesburgh.

I'm basically from the same neck of the woods as you are. You must be from Peterborough....I'm 45 mins away if this is where you are from.

Close....Oshawa

skidboot
12-16-2006, 01:13 PM
I'd say I'm an hr away from you.


Nice weather we've been having eh.

Jeremy
12-17-2006, 10:03 AM
All this arena nonsense will be over Wednesday.

SteelCityMan786
12-17-2006, 10:11 AM
Hopefully it's the sounds of funds being paid and pieces of iron and all the other materials needed to build an arena are being put together.

Petesburgh66
12-17-2006, 12:29 PM
Alright, Frankie wants to buy the team


TSN.ca Staff

12/17/2006 12:13:34 PM

According to a report in the Ottawa Citizen, Steelback Brewery owner Frank D'Angelo wants to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins.

D'Angelo, who failed in an attempt to become an owner of a new CFL franchise in Ottawa, thinks he would be a perfect fit to take over the Penguins.

''Steelback beer in Steeltown, what an incredible fit,'' D'Angelo said told the Ottawa Citizen.

D'Angelo is partnered with billionaire Dr. Barry Sherman, chief executive of the drug maker Apotex Inc.

''We are going to be pursuing every avenue to get into the sports business, and what better way then to invest in a great franchise like the Pittsburgh Penguins,'' D'Angelo told the paper. ''We want to go in there, buy the team, and make sure it has a proper home. The City of Pittsburgh deserves to keep its team.''

D'Angelo told the Citizen that he and Sherman were trying to set up a meeting with Penguins and they would hold a news conference later this week if the meeting were to go well.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=188799&hubname=

skidboot
12-17-2006, 12:32 PM
we'll see on that one.

X-Terminator
12-18-2006, 12:42 AM
If it happens, great. But I'm not holding my breath.

It all comes down to Wednesday.

83-Steelers-43
12-18-2006, 10:06 AM
From the PPG:

Toronto businessman interested in Penguins
Monday, December 18, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Add Toronto businessman Frank D'Angelo and a billionaire partner, Dr. Barry Sherman, to the list of prospective buyers for the Penguins.

D'Angelo told Canadian Press yesterday that he and Sherman are considering making an offer for the franchise and hope to meet with Penguins CEO Ken Sawyer this week.

He also was adamant that he would keep the team in Pittsburgh, regardless of whether Isle of Capri, which has pledged $290 million to an arena if it gets the license to operate a slots parlor here, gets that license.

"We have absolutely no intention of moving the team," D'Angelo told CP.

D'Angelo said he and Sherman could finance an arena, if necessary, because one of his products, Steelback beer, would benefit from the rink's naming rights and being able to supply beverages for the facility.

D'Angelo and Sherman recently failed in an attempt to get a Canadian Football League franchise in Ottawa.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06352/747042-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-18-2006, 10:07 AM
I like the fellow pizan already. Buy away....

83-Steelers-43
12-18-2006, 04:59 PM
Lemiuex: Balsille deal dead; sale on hold until slots awarded
Monday, December 18, 2006

By Shelley Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Saying that the deal with Canadian billionaire Jim Balsille is dead, Penguins owner Mario Lemieux said today the sale of the team is on hold until after the state slots licences are awarded Wednesday. Lemieux, who held a news conference at the arena late this afternoon, made another pitch for the Isle of Capri gaming company, which has an agreement with the Penguins to give $290 million towards construction of a new arena if its gets the city's slots license. "I've never heard of a government turning down $290 million in private money for a new facility," Lemieux said. Lemieux declined to talk about any scenarios including one in which he and his partners would retain ownership. Balsille pulled out of a purchase agreement with the team on Friday. Lemieux said Balsille will forfeit his deposit, believed to be $10 million.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06352/747118-100.stm

Petesburgh66
12-18-2006, 06:06 PM
D'Angelo announces bid for Penguins

Canadian Press

12/18/2006 5:01:40 PM

TORONTO (CP) - Brewery owner Frank D'Angelo has officially declared his interest in the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins.

Confirming what he told The Canadian Press on Sunday, the president and CEO of Steelback Brewery and D'Angelo Brands issued a statement Monday saying he is putting together an offer for the Pens in the wake of would-be buyer Jim Balsillie's decision Friday to back off.

D'Angelo said former hockey legend Phil Esposito was to co-ordinate a meeting with Penguins president Ken Sawyer. D'Angelo also repeated he has no interest in moving the Penguins.

''Absolutely not,'' he said in the statement. ''Pittsburgh has a rich history of championship hockey with an established fan base in the world's premier league. This team isn't going anywhere.''

D'Angelo, whose bid for a CFL franchise in Ottawa was recently turned down, says he and billionaire partner Barry Sherman were teaming up to make an offer.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is also believed to have renewed interest in looking at the club and Balsillie, co-chief executive officer of BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd (TSX:RIM), also apparently remains in the picture despite Friday's developments.

This is a big week for the Penguins. Isle of Capri Casinos Inc., has promised to build a US$290-million arena to replace the 45-year-old Mellon Arena - at no cost to taxpayers or the team - if it obtains a slot machine licence from the state.

A decision on the licence is expected Wednesday. Isle of Capri is one of three bidders for the licence.

Balsillie's deal fell through, according to sources, due to his unhappiness with the NHL's conditions in the final sale agreement that would see him make every effort to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

D'Angelo told CP on Sunday that he and Sherman could build their own rink if Isle of Capri loses out on the slot machine licence, benefitting from the building's naming rights and supplying the beverages there.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=188926&hubname=

Esposito = :banging: Sorry, this mamaluke is an idiot when it comes running a hockey team.

SteelCityMan786
12-18-2006, 06:10 PM
Probably better, that way they don't have to worry about it till at least they do know if they have an arena no matter what or not.

Petesburgh66
12-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Super Mario is super pissed

PITTSBURGH (CP-AP) - Owner Mario Lemieux says the Pittsburgh Penguins are finished with Jim Balsillie, criticizing the Canadian billionaire for backing out of a deal to buy the NHL team.

Balsillie, co-chief executive officer of BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd (TSX:RIM), was quoted over the weekend saying he still might try to purchase the team despite pulling the plug on his agreement Friday. But Lemieux says that won't happen.

''We were shocked and offended that Mr. Balsillie would back out of such an important deal at the last minute - and less than a week before a decision on the funding of a new arena that will have far-reaching implications on our franchise, our city and our region,'' Lemieux said in a statement Monday.

''As a result, we intend to retain Mr. Balsillie's deposit because we believe him to be in breach of our agreement. We can say unequivocally that the deal with Mr. Balsillie is dead.''

While one potential owner is gone, another buyer has appeared. Toronto brewery owner Frank D'Angelo officially declared his interest in the Penguins on Monday.

Confirming what he told The Canadian Press on Sunday, the president and CEO of Steelback Brewery and D'Angelo Brands issued a statement Monday saying he is putting together an offer for the Pens in the wake of the Balsillie deal falling through.

D'Angelo said former hockey legend Phil Esposito was to co-ordinate a meeting with Penguins president Ken Sawyer. D'Angelo also repeated he has no interest in moving the Penguins.

''Absolutely not,'' he said in the statement. ''Pittsburgh has a rich history of championship hockey with an established fan base in the world's premier league. This team isn't going anywhere.''

Balsillie's deal fell through, according to sources, due to his unhappiness with the NHL's conditions in the final sale agreement that would see him make every effort to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

D'Angelo, whose bid for a CFL franchise in Ottawa was recently turned down, says he and billionaire partner Barry Sherman were teaming up to make an offer.

This is a big week for the Penguins. Isle of Capri Casinos Inc., has promised to build a US$290-million arena to replace the 45-year-old Mellon Arena - at no cost to taxpayers or the team - if it obtains a slot machine licence from the state.

A decision on the licence is expected Wednesday. Isle of Capri is one of three bidders for the licence, the others being Detroit casino magnate Don Barden and Forest City Enterprises Inc. of Cleveland.

Both have said they'll contribute some money for a new arena over 30 years under a so-called ''Plan B'' being proposed by city and county officials that would include public funds. But that plan also calls for the Penguins to help pay for the arena.

D'Angelo told CP on Sunday that he and Sherman could build their own rink if Isle of Capri loses out on the slot machine licence, benefiting from the building's naming rights and supplying the beverages there.

If Isle of Capri doesn't get a slot-machine licence, Lemieux said Monday the Penguins would have to ''consider all of our options.''

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is also believed to have renewed interest in looking at the hockey club.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=188936&hubname=

Good riddance to Balsillie the weasel.

Heck, I live in Canada and there is no way I want the Penguins moved. Move one of the southern belt teams for all I care. They can't draw flies to crap.

83-Steelers-43
12-18-2006, 07:12 PM
At this point, ANYBODY who's name pops up with this purchase will be looked at as a shady character.

Jesus Christ: I would like to buy the Penguins

Penguin fan: I don't know about this guy. What's he about? What are his motives? I don't know about this guy.

Petesburgh66
12-18-2006, 07:47 PM
D'Angelo is a weird duck to begin with. His commericals done for his products in Canada prove that.

And Balsillie should have been red flagged a shady character to begin with. He has spent legal fees in the past to find a way to get a team into Canada and has also poked his nose into other teams in the NHL that are not finacially stable. The difference between those teams and the Penguins is Crosby and Malkin. A better chance of winning a cup with the Penguins in the near future than say the Panthers or Coyotes.

SteelCityMan786
12-18-2006, 08:31 PM
Let Mark Cuban own the team. It would be great to have local ownership when Mario is gone.

X-Terminator
12-18-2006, 08:57 PM
At this point in time, I could care less who decides to buy the team so long as they make a commitment to keeping the team here. That would also exclude Sam Fingold, who is also in the hunt. I had Balsillie pegged as a liar from day one - the man repeatedly lied over the summer when he said he wasn't interested in buying the Pens, and then all of a sudden, he became the front runner. That should have sent the alarm bells off right there that this guy was NOT on the up-and-up and had absolutely no intention of ever making a solid commitment to keeping the team here. Hey, if this D'Angelo guy wants the team, I'd be all for it - I believe him when he says he wants to keep the team here no matter what happens. Same goes for Murstein and especially Cuban should he throw his name in the hat again. Honestly, Cuban would be my preference as well - local ties, deep pockets, commitment to the city and a burning desire to win. Can't ask for more than that.

83-Steelers-43
12-18-2006, 09:02 PM
Let Mark Cuban own the team. It would be great to have local ownership when Mario is gone.

For me, I've had it up to here with Mark Cuban. I honestly believe that weasel simply enjoys seeing his name in the paper and the signs inside Mellon Arena and PNC Park stating "Mark Cuban please save us".

Hopefully I'm not the only who finally sees through his pathetic attempts for attention. For us in Pittsburgh, do us a favor Mark................Open your mouth when the check is signed.

skidboot
12-19-2006, 11:09 AM
The NHL doesn't want Balsillie to be owner of the team IMO.
Here....you can be owner of the Penguins BUT you have to do exactly what we say....
I'm sure he'll put up 175M under those conditions.

Harrah's....keep an eye on them. I think Harrah's has some inside track with Penn Gov't Officials.



Balsillie has wanted to get a team for awhile. Atlanta, Florida will be on his list.



The NHL will have THEIR guy take over the team.

SteelCityMan786
12-19-2006, 03:33 PM
That might be the case skid.

skidboot
12-19-2006, 06:36 PM
they better come up with more than 175M also.

SteelCityMan786
12-19-2006, 08:43 PM
SLOPPY START.

83-Steelers-43
12-19-2006, 09:07 PM
SLOPPY game.

83-Steelers-43
12-19-2006, 09:12 PM
Penguins acquire defenseman Brookbank from Bruins
Tuesday, December 19, 2006

By The Associated Press

The Pittsburgh Penguins acquired defenseman Wade Brookbank from the Boston Bruins today for future considerations and assigned him to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton of the AHL.

The 28-year-old Brookbank had one goal and 15 penalty minutes in seven games with Boston this season. He had one goal and two assists in a career-high 32 games for Vancouver last season.

Brookbank has four goals and two assists in 68 career games with the Bruins, Canucks and Nashville Predators.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06353/747369-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:07 AM
Well SCM, today is the day. Come on IOC!!!

skidboot
12-20-2006, 11:20 AM
Well SCM, today is the day. Come on IOC!!!



If the IOC doesn't come through......pack em up.

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:25 AM
If the IOC doesn't come through......pack em up.

I wouldn't go that far, it will remain to be seen, but it won't look good. But hey, thanks for the vote of confidence there buddy. :coffee:

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:27 AM
SCM, they are going over Philly at this point....:blah: :blah: :blah:

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:28 AM
PITG won. IOC did not. Not good. I'm now going to go puke a little bit and hope for the best.

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:35 AM
PITG wins slots casino license for North Side
Wednesday, December 20, 2006

By Tracie Mauriello, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

HARRISBURG -- The state Gaming Control Board today approved PITG Majestic Star to receive Pittsburgh's stand-alone casino license.

PITG plans to build a slot machine parlor on the North Side near the Carnegie Science Center.

In unanimously approving PITG, the board rejected proposals from Isle of Capri, which wanted to build a parlor in the Hill District, and Forest City Enterprises, which set its sights on Station Square.

Before the Pittsburgh vote, the board approved HSP Gaming and Philadelphia Entertainment and Development for the two available licenses in that area.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06354/747581-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 11:44 AM
Well, at least the crack houses in the Hill District are safe. All 17 people who opposed the IOC can sleep better tonight knowing that ungodly gaming will not be taking place in their streets.

Crack deals, please resume. Thank you.

What a f%@#$@! joke.

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 01:28 PM
Penguins Disappointed; officials pledge arena support
Wednesday, December 20, 2006

By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The leaders of Allegheny County and the City of Pittsburgh today pledged to continue their efforts to build a new arena after the state gaming board rejected a proposal by the casino bidder favored by the Penguins.

The state board chose a proposal by PITG Gaming for a North Side parlor over a bid by Isle of Capri for a Hill District site. Isle of Capri had pledged $290 million toward arena construction and had an agreement with the Penguins.

PITG's Don Barden has agreed to provide $7.5 million a year for 30 years for an arena, and he has also pledged to help redevelop the Lower Hill District.

The Penguins issued a statement today congratulating Mr. Barden but saying, "obviously, we are very disappointed that the Isle of Capri was not awarded the slots license."

"Had Isle of Capri been selected, it would have ensured the long-term future of the Penguins in Pittsburgh and would have delivered a $1 billion development opportunity to the Lower Hill and Uptown," the statement continued.

"At this point, our franchise enters a period of uncertainty, with our lease at Mellon Arena set to expire this summer. We will re-evaluate all of our options before deciding on a course of action and making further comment."

Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato said at a press conference today that they have already spoken to Mr. Barden and hope to arrange a meeting about his plans as soon as tomorrow.

Both said they understood he has reiterated his commitment to helping fund an arena and redevelop the Hill.

They also said they are still backing a new arena.

"Let me reach out to Mario here," said Mr. Onorato, referring to Mario Lemieux of the Penguins. "What the two of us are committing today is that we're going to be here under this plan and get (an arena) done."

"There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that we can get this deal done," Mr. Ravenstahl said, provided that the team is willing to negotiate."

Mr. Onorato said the choice of a North Side location shows the need for the Port Authority's North Shore Connector. Under the plan, which has drawn some criticism, the light rail line would be extended under the Allegheny River to the North Side.

The two officials pledged to put together a task force to study community impact and neighborhood issues that the casino might generate. They said it would include both neighborhood residents and professionals like traffic engineers.

It will probably eliminate further need for the city gaming task force created by former Mayor Tom Murphy. That group had said Isle of Capri was the best plan.

Mr. Ravenstahl had also backed Isle of Capri but Mr. Onorato never stated a preference.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06354/747594-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
12-20-2006, 03:48 PM
RENDELL AND THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE STATE. Freaking Impeach Ed Rendell. He had a chance to bring in $1 BILLION Dollars in new revenue for the State of Pennsylvania. And he balked at it. I totally want to disown Philadelphia for the inside of Pennsylvania's Borders. DOESN'T RENDELL GET IT??? They could have an arena for FREE! YOU HEAR ME! FREE!!! But all he wants to do is make sure that Philadelphia is happy. Anyone think we can get Rendell arrested on charges of Larceny???

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 03:59 PM
As long as a man/woman has a (D) next to their name, people in this city will vote for them. If Adolph Hitler had a (D) next to his name he would either be our mayor or governor.

CrookED Rendell is here to stay unfortunately.

SteelCityMan786
12-20-2006, 04:07 PM
As long as a man/woman has a (D) next to their name, people in this city will vote for them. If Adolph Hitler had a (D) next to his name he would either be our mayor or governor.

CrookED Rendell is here to stay unfortunately.

I hope he passes the term limits bill that way the he can leave have his reputation remain in shambles.

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 04:08 PM
It was funny, they were interviewing some reverend and he stated that a casino would bring drugs and prostitution to the Hill District. HA!!!

It's already McHookers and the drug dealers are out in force every night. I got my car stolen right next to the church during a hockey game a few years back. Yeah, a casino should be the least of those people's worries. The IOC promised the Hill District 1 billion dollars. Whatever.....

Now they have Onorato and Ravenstahl popping up and speaking their B.S. Onorato was all for keeping the Penguins in this city but the guy never backed IOC or any other casino for that matter.

When Ravenstahl took over he was all about keeping the Penguins here, he was completely Pro-IOC and then about a month ago he backed away from his IOC feelings and started bringing up Plan B. Good job there Luke.

Like I said, it's all one big %#$@&!@ joke with these politicians.

SteelCityMan786
12-20-2006, 04:10 PM
I say this to Pittsburgh, next time a mayor vote happens, kick out the democrat and go republican. And this is coming from a Republican.

HometownGal
12-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Thanks for posting the article, 83. DAMN IT, I'M BEYOND PISSED!!!!! Rendell doesn't give a damn about this city or the Pens. All he cares about is feeding his fat face and his precious Philadelphia. At least I can say with pride that I DIDN'T HELP ELECT HIM!!!!!

I'm now feeling very uneasy about our Pens' future here. I'm sure Onorato and Co. will do everything they can to negotiate something for a new arena, but that still doesn't make me feel any better at this moment.

The only bit of light here is that the two other applicants can appeal the decision, but not for about a month until the SGC issues their report.

The Hill got what it wanted - no casino near their shacks and a revitalization of the lower Hill. I had to laugh - there was an African American gentleman on the news a couple of days ago protesting IOP's proposal saying "what have the Pens done for us?" Riiiight. How many games have you gone to, pal? Funny thing is - the Hill residents would be at that casino day and night - who the hell do they think they're kidding?

The Steelers issued a statement saying they are very disappointed in this decision and will look into their "options". Ughhhh - this is going to be a mess.

HometownGal
12-20-2006, 04:39 PM
As long as a man/woman has a (D) next to their name, people in this city will vote for them. If Adolph Hitler had a (D) next to his name he would either be our mayor or governor.

CrookED Rendell is here to stay unfortunately.

Aint that the truth? We're stuck with that load for another 4 years. :dang: :dang: :dang:

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 04:46 PM
I say this to Pittsburgh, next time a mayor vote happens, kick out the democrat and go republican. And this is coming from a Republican.

It will never happen. We enjoy watching our city age, kids come here for college purposes and then leave for another city in order to get jobs, a brand new convention center sitting empty. Smart huh?

Like I said, people in this city don't give a damn who's better, they care about the (D). We haven't had a Republican mayor since the Depression. Personally, I don't give a damn if my mayor is "D" or "R". Do your job, do what the people want you to do and change the downward spiral which has been occuring in this city.

I have my opinion on why I think Mr. Barden received the license, but that's a whole other story. It's pretty obvious (look at his picture) and pathetic. I'll just shake my head. F-Barden and my money will continue going to West Virginia, Atlantic City and Las Vegas.

I am a pissed off individual today. I need a beer and a few shots of sambuca.

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20061220majestic_drawing_brk_300.jpg

83-Steelers-43
12-20-2006, 05:12 PM
Well SCM, all we can do now is sit back and see what politician truly wants to keep this team in our city. Ravenstahl and Onorato in particular have talked a good game.

There is still a chance. Keep the faith brother.

skidboot
12-20-2006, 05:14 PM
I wouldn't go that far, it will remain to be seen, but it won't look good. But hey, thanks for the vote of confidence there buddy. :coffee:



Just how I feel.

I hope the Pens DO stay in Pittsburgh. I remember them from the Syl Apps, Ron Stackhouse days. I've played on that ice.


Sad day in Pittsburgh.


and blame Bettman also........he has IMO his hands in this also.

SteelCityMan786
12-20-2006, 07:30 PM
Well SCM, all we can do now is sit back and see what politician truly wants to keep this team in our city. Ravenstahl and Onorato in particular have talked a good game.

There is still a chance. Keep the faith brother.

That's all we can do man. That's all we can do.

X-Terminator
12-20-2006, 09:23 PM
This is bullshit, and I'm completely pissed. :pissed:

Thanks a lot Fat Eddie, you fat F$^$$# turd. :upyours:

The Pens are as good as gone. Might as well pack up the trucks and turn out the lights right now. :mad:

Godfather
12-20-2006, 09:24 PM
Fat Eddie needs to DIAF.

X-Terminator
12-21-2006, 12:28 AM
It was funny, they were interviewing some reverend and he stated that a casino would bring drugs and prostitution to the Hill District. HA!!!

It's already McHookers and the drug dealers are out in force every night. I got my car stolen right next to the church during a hockey game a few years back. Yeah, a casino should be the least of those people's worries. The IOC promised the Hill District 1 billion dollars. Whatever.....

Now this is just $#%#@#$# funny! And on top of that, all of those people who, ahem, "have concerns" will be first in line to spend their welfare checks in the casino when it opens. Give me a $@#$#$@ break!

HometownGal
12-21-2006, 07:34 AM
This is bullshit, and I'm completely pissed. :pissed:

Thanks a lot Fat Eddie, you fat F$^$$# turd. :upyours:

The Pens are as good as gone. Might as well pack up the trucks and turn out the lights right now. :mad:

I know how you feel, buddy, but you know what an optimist I am and I'm going to hold on to the belief that something will be worked out so that the Pens will stay here. The politicians around here know it is their behinds that will be held responsible if they leave and they will do whatever they have to do to save their precious political careers. Eddie the Hut doesn't care one way or the other - he can't run again after he completes this term. This was all a political chess game and the Pens (and us Pens fans) unfortunately got caught in the cross-fire.

JeromeDiet
12-21-2006, 09:26 AM
Just how I feel.

I hope the Pens DO stay in Pittsburgh. I remember them from the Syl Apps, Ron Stackhouse days. I've played on that ice.


Sad day in Pittsburgh.


and blame Bettman also........he has IMO his hands in this also.

Blame Bettman???? He is one of the only people in the Pens corner. He ran off that asshat from Canada who wanted to buy the team with the express purpose of moving it to Canada. He put his career on the line and opened himself up to massive lawsuits with the restrictions he put on buying the Pens all to keep them in the Burgh. If anything Bettman has more to lose than ANYONE else in post lockout hockey having the team move. He needs the stability and moving the Pens will look horrible for the league considering they have Crosby, Malkin, and Staal.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 10:00 AM
JD, I agree. Anybody in Pittsburgh will tell you Bettman is the last guy to blame in this situation. He stated from the beginning that he wants to keep this team in Pittsburgh. He made his point very well known with the Balsillie situation. It's not his fault we didn't get the license. It's not his fault the politicians in this state can't find a way to build a new arena for our Pittsburgh Penguins and for our city.

IMO, Bettman takes more heat than he deserves. The guy turned that league around so it wouldn't end up like MLB. That alone makes him a good comish in my book. But there's only so much Bettman can do for the Penguins. When you can't get a new arena and your new ownership wants to move the team, there isn't much Bettman can do really. He can't make ownership stay in that piece of shit we call an arena. What can he do? Sorry, my blame will continue going towards the morons the people in this city and state put in office.

skidboot
12-21-2006, 10:06 AM
Blame Bettman???? He is one of the only people in the Pens corner. He ran off that asshat from Canada who wanted to buy the team with the express purpose of moving it to Canada. He put his career on the line and opened himself up to massive lawsuits with the restrictions he put on buying the Pens all to keep them in the Burgh. If anything Bettman has more to lose than ANYONE else in post lockout hockey having the team move. He needs the stability and moving the Pens will look horrible for the league considering they have Crosby, Malkin, and Staal.



Balsillie wasn't a "Bettman" guy.

Believe me the NHL Owners and Bettman want someone who is on the same page as they are.
The NHL Powers and the State of PA are gonna have who THEY want. Back Door Shenanigans are happening all over the place.


This is pretty big news up here. They had a talk show on last night and Bill Daly was on it and it seemed quite obvious that someone is lying when it comes down to the NHL Powers or Balsillie.
Daly said that the NHL gave him all he wanted......including the ability to move the team..........then Balsillie dropped out?.........

hunh?

I can't wait to hear what Balsillie has to say now!

Maybe there is some sort of miscommunication......
Maybe the NHL doesn't want the team in Pittsburgh......I don't know.

Don't trust Bettman.

He's not a Hockey guy.

Still time to figure this mess out and get it resolved..........clock is ticking though. No wonder why the NHL is considered 2nd class in the US.

Lets hope the Pens stay in Pittsburgh.




The NHL has LOTS of problems.

X-Terminator
12-21-2006, 10:11 AM
Well, that asshat Balsillie has thrown his hat back in - gee, what a shock? And I do not, nor have I ever trusted Gary Butt-Head. Even Mark Recchi, who lives here, doesn't have any faith in the process.

Get a good last look, Pens fans, and enjoy Crosby and Malkin while you can. Because the end is near.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 10:23 AM
Thank you Gene Collier for some positivity.........

Gene Collier: Penguins will get what they want, but not at desired price
But, in light of Isle of Capri's slot-license loss, local politicians will determine the cost
Thursday, December 21, 2006

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

You didn't have to believe in omens to find it a bit odd that on the subway ride toward Mellon Arena yesterday, "I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas" seemed to be squawking in a continuous loop.

This was right at the top of zero hour, when the long-awaited, viciously anticipated casino licensing issue would finally be decided. Twenty minutes later, the Penguins had begun practice on the NHL's oldest living hockey pond, and at precisely 11:27 a.m., the franchise learned it was indeed getting nothing for Christmas.

(Look, it could be worse: You could be the Pirates or their fans -- they're getting Nuttings for Christmas.)

Oh yeah, mommy and daddy are mad, the NHL is mad, even the Rooneys and the NFL are mad, issuing two among the day-long flurry of official tight-lipped statements that included the always vaguely threatening "our options" pill.

Reached later in the day, Steelers president Art Rooney II explained the club's primary disappointment has to do with traffic, parking and infrastructure.

"Our intention is to try to remain involved in the process," Rooney said. "We've been disappointed because we think the decision gave little weight to local interests. We assume there will be an ongoing process in terms of the various approvals that are necessary, and we'll try to protect our interests and the interests of our fans, who need to get in and out of this place."

You'll notice he didn't say that with Isle of Capri not winning the casino license, the city is going straight to hell and the Steelers might just as well move to North Carolina with Bill and Kaye and Lindsay.

Predictably, the maddest bunch were and shall be, for a time, Penguins management and the club's loyal, vocal, emotional, and often enough paranoid fans, including those without media credentials.

When everyone calms down and the bile goes flat, I think you'll see an easily identifiable path now cleared from the huge speculative obstacle that was the licensing issue. By awarding Pittsburgh's sole casino license to the North Shore developer, the state's Gaming board did not put the Penguins on an ice flow and kick them down river.

The Penguins will get what they want, a new arena, at the site they want, adjacent to the old one, by the date they want, 2009. They just won't get it on the terms they want, which was to have Isle of Capri, one of the two losing bidders yesterday, pay for it.

"There's no doubt in my mind this will get done," said mayor Luke Ravenstahl. "If they are as committed as we are, the Penguins should never leave Pittsburgh."

Ravenstahl was standing next to county executive Dan Onorato in the lobby of the old Alcoa building on Sixth Avenue, where Onorato was trying to turn Plan B into Plan A, and Christmas shoppers along William Penn Place peered in from the sidewalk because two guys in dark suits and power ties in front of the TV lights is usually some kind of emergency.

Onorato said he was going straight upstairs to the Sports & Exhibition Authority offices to phone the Penguins as soon as the lights went off, which he did.

They didn't answer.

"Let me reach out to Mario," Onorato said. "I know he's frustrated, saying he's waited [for politicians to get things done] for seven years. But I've only been county executive for three years, and Mayor Ravenstahl's only been here for several months. The mayor and I are going to make it clear we intend to remove the uncertainty."

"The sooner the Penguins are willing to sit down," the mayor said, "the sooner the uncertainty will go away."

Of all the official poses struck yesterday, the Penguins' actually seemed the most measured. Their statement, in lieu of the presumed news conference, was a beacon of diplomacy compared to the hysterical reaction of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, who less than a week ago was so certain Pittsburgh had to be the home of the Penguins that prospective owner Jim Balsillie took his Blackberry and went home.

"The decision by the Gaming Commission was terrible news for the Penguins, their fans, and the NHL," read that statement. "The future of this franchise in Pittsburgh is uncertain, and the Penguins now will have to explore all other options, including possible relocation. The NHL will support the Penguins in their endeavors."

Put the gun down, Gary.

Just as war is the failure of diplomacy, state-sponsored gambling is the failure of public policy. If you've got to have it, you'd better make sure that its proven negative impacts are counterbalanced across the broadest possible landscape economically and socially.

It's a tremendously complicated urban-planning question for which a good faith answer was put forth yesterday, and there is undoubtedly room for the Penguins within the solution.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06355/747845-150.stm

HometownGal
12-21-2006, 10:50 AM
Well, that asshat Balsillie has thrown his hat back in - gee, what a shock? And I do not, nor have I ever trusted Gary Butt-Head. Even Mark Recchi, who lives here, doesn't have any faith in the process.

Get a good last look, Pens fans, and enjoy Crosby and Malkin while you can. Because the end is near.

Keep the faith XT. I am hoping (praying) that Mario will sell to one of these guys who is 100% committed to keeping our Pens in the Burgh. As for Balsillie - screw him.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/s_485142.html

Six suitors for Pens are back

Six suitors for the Penguins resurfaced Wednesday after the Isle of Capri Casinos failed to win the sole state license to operate a slots parlor in Pittsburgh.

The suitors include Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie, who abruptly backed away last week from finalizing a $175 million deal to buy the club.

"All it takes is three motivated parties and a five-minute phone call to get this deal back on track," Balsillie said in an e-mail. "We've fully studied the situation and are prepared to complete the purchase and immediately commence good-faith 'Plan B' negotiations with the government officials to keep the team in Pittsburgh."

Other suitors include New York businessman Andrew Murstein, Massachusetts developer Lawrence Gottesdiener and Toronto brewer Frank D'Angelo and real estate developer Sam Fingold of Hartford, Conn.

"Right now, we are going to quietly sit back and watch and see how this plays out in the next few weeks," Fingold said via e-mail.

Perhaps the most intriguing suitor is Mt. Lebanon native Mark Cuban, a dot-com billionaire who owns the Dallas Mavericks of the NBA. Cuban has contacted the NHL about buying the Penguins, a league source told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

Cuban has not respond to repeated e-mails.

The Penguins had partnered with Isle of Capri Casinos of St. Louis in the bid for the slots license. The company agreed to build a $290 million arena for the Penguins in the Lower Hill District.

The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires June 30. The club is free to relocate after that date.

Fingold, Murstein, Gottesdiener and Ohio businessman Jim Renacci were involved in previous discussions to purchase the Penguins before Balsillie agreed to buy the club. Renacci, a Ringgold High School graduate, said he is not close to making another bid.

Since 2005, the Mario Lemieux ownership group has reached tentative deals with three men: San Jose, Calif., venture capitalist William "Boots" Del Biaggio III, Fingold and Balsillie.

Last month, Del Biaggio signed a long-term lease with Kansas City's Sprint Center that provides him with exclusive rights to any NHL club that comes to that city.

"I'm still trying to get my arms around the situation to see how Pittsburgh is going to go about selling or not selling (its) team now," Del Biaggio said. "I don't know where the NHL is going to stand on it. Does it stay in Pittsburgh? Are you allowed to move? I think a lot is going to have to play out this week.

"I'm not hopeful right now because I think a lot of people are going to go for it."

Murstein said his group is still interested and restated his pledge to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. He also said he would be willing to work the local officials on "Plan B."

"It is what I wanted to do months ago," Murstein said of "Plan B." "It is a very fair starting point, and I am confident we could work out a deal along those lines."

Cuban was originally part of Murstein's ownership group. On his personal blog in October, Cuban lamented not doing more to purchase the Penguins.

skidboot
12-21-2006, 11:01 AM
Making a pledge to keep the Pens in Pittsburgh.......for how long?

Plan "B" negotiations......???

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 11:06 AM
Making a pledge to keep the Pens in Pittsburgh.......for how long?

Plan "B" negotiations......???

I guess that's what those of us in Pittsburgh will be finding out now won't we?

Since the IOC didn't work out as planned, I guess we will have to look at Plan "B". It's not my first choice, but my first choice was shot down yesterday so now we have to see what our options are at this point in time. I'm now going to sit back and see what Onorato and Ravenstahl are willing to do for our Penguins. Both seem willing to sit down at the table, now let's see if the Penguins are willing to hear them out. I don't have very much faith or trust in either individual, but what else can we do? I still have hope and faith and will continue to do so until I see a moving truck at Mellon Arena.

Last I saw, there isn't a moving truck at Mellon just yet.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 01:16 PM
Lemieux: Penguins will look at other cities
Thursday, December 21, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins majority owner Mario Lemieux today said the team is no longer for sale and will explore relocating to another city while trying to negotiate a deal for a new arena in Pittsburgh.

"Recent developments, including yesterday's decision by the [Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board], and the recent termination of the purchase agreement by Jim Balsillie have convinced us that it is time to take control of our own destiny. Accordingly, starting today, the team is off the market, and we will begin to explore relocation options in cities outside Pennsylvania," Lemieux said in a prepared statement. "After seven years of trying to work out a new arena deal exclusively in Pittsburgh, we need to take into consideration the long-term viability of the team and begin discussions with other cities that may be interested in NHL teams. As soon as we are no longer restricted by our agreement with Isle of Capri from negotiating an arena deal here, in the next few weeks, we will also begin discussions with local leaders about a viable Pittsburgh arena plan."

The gaming board on Wedenesday awarded Pittsburgh's only stand-alone slots parlor license to PITG Gaming LCC, which will build a casino on the North Side near the Carnegie Science Center. The Penguins had backed a plan by casino operator Isle of Capri, which pledged $290 million for a new arena.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06355/747946-100.stm

skidboot
12-21-2006, 02:53 PM
I guess that's what those of us in Pittsburgh will be finding out now won't we?









I thought they would of had a "Plan B" already in place.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 03:03 PM
They said they don't have a plan B completely in place because the Pens would not discuss till after since they were hoping for Isle of Capri. Please oh please let Mark Cuban buy the Pens or Pens go with Plan B!

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 03:04 PM
I thought they would of had a "Plan B" already in place.

That's my point, Plan B does exist..............

Under the backup plan, Majestic Star (PITG) would pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years, while the state would pay $7 million a year. The Pens would have to pay $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.1 million a year in naming rights.

That's why I stated I'm going to sit back and see what the Penguins and Ravenstahl/Onorato work out before I completely give up.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 03:06 PM
Do you think Mario would sell to Mark Cuban and what was it Dan Marino? I know Mario wants to keep the team in town.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Do you think Mario would sell to Mark Cuban and what was it Dan Marino? I know Mario wants to keep the team in town.

That depends on Cuban's price. If his price is right I'm sure Lemieux would sell. After that, "Plan B" would come into effect. IMO, Lemieux "taking the team off the market" is Lemieux playing stubborn. If the price is right I believe he would sell.

Although I wouldn't hold my breath when it comes to Cuban. As I stated in another post, I honestly believe Mark Cuban enjoys reading his name in the papers and the signs inside PNC and Mellon stating "Mark Cuban Please Save Us" while riding in on his white horse.

On that note, Mike Prisuta broke a story on WDVE this morning stating Mark Cuban has contacted the NHL and stated that he wants to buy the Penguins. Take it for what it's worth. I'll take it as "Wake me when the checked is signed.".

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 03:28 PM
At this point I'm just looking for some hope. Ditto 83, hopefully he is seriously interested. You know a friend of mine brought up a point. The state government is supposedly trying to help correct. Well there is two casinos in Philly why don't they chip in to help the Penguins as they are an asset to this state.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 03:37 PM
You mean the state chip in? I'm a little confused by your question. Sorry, it's been a long day...lol.

If the Penguins take Plan B, they would chip in $7 million a year for 30 years.

SteelCityMan786
12-21-2006, 03:40 PM
That tells me they want to get an arena that's more expensive then the IOC plan.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Are the casinos in Philly chipping in? Like is the state taking money earned from those 2 adding it into the pot basically. A friend had brought that up to me last night.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 03:45 PM
Are the casinos in Philly chipping in? Like is the state taking money earned from those 2 adding it into the pot basically. A friend had brought that up to me last night.

I gotcha now. The two casinos in Philly would be chipping into the state fund, which would partially be used for a new arena.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 03:48 PM
Okay, well that is good then. I'm just hoping we find a solution.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 03:54 PM
The funny part, if you look at Plan B, it's not that bad of a deal. It states the Penguins would have to spend $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year for 30 years. Keep in mind, that negotiable. That price can and probably would go down for the Penguins. If you want to keep this team in Pittsburgh, your going to have to pay at least something. The problem, the Penguins didn't want to pay anything (IOC).

The Majestic would pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years, while the state would pay $7 million a year. That equals out to $435 million total. That's not a bad deal.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 04:01 PM
You are absolutely correct 83. The numbers are pretty good. Now compared to IOC of course they look bad because well IOC was completely free. My issue is what did they not like about the IOC deal? Because a casino on North Shore does not sound smart. I mean traffic will be backed so far.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 04:11 PM
You are absolutely correct 83. The numbers are pretty good. Now compared to IOC of course they look bad because well IOC was completely free. My issue is what did they not like about the IOC deal? Because a casino on North Shore does not sound smart. I mean traffic will be backed so far.

Your guess is as good as mine.

IMO, they figure The Majestic would generate more money than the others, which means higher taxes, which means more money they will have to dish out. As for the location. It's not great that's for sure. But the South Side and Station Square wouldn't have been much better in my opinion. While I believe the Rooney's have a legitimate beef, they better watch what they say because they have been building up on the North Side themselves. I think it also helped that Mr. Berden happens to be a minority. Makes those in charge look good.

Just my opinion.

SteelCityMan786
12-21-2006, 04:14 PM
I hope as soon as the IOC Deal is expired. They give them something to look to and Mario within days of purposal signs it. Yes he'd have to sign a new lease at Mellon while the Arena is being buildt, but at least their would be a future.

Prosdo
12-21-2006, 04:30 PM
I'm with you Steel. Our only saving thing is Mario. Mario loves this city and do whatever he can to keep the team here.

83-Steelers-43
12-21-2006, 04:50 PM
There is no doubt the politicians have screwed Lemieux over in the past. But before you go on TV and state all sales are off and we are looking to other cities, don't you think you should sit down with Onorato and Ravenstahl and have a talk? I mean, look at every option possible before packing the bags and making the statement Lemieux made today? If you truly want to keep this team in Pittsburgh, at least talk to these guys and listen to what they have to say or offer.

By no means am I blaming Lemieux for the license situation, but I wasn't crazy about his statements today.

MJ5150
12-21-2006, 06:52 PM
Why is everyone mad at the governor?

-Mike

83-Steelers-43
12-22-2006, 07:41 AM
Why is everyone mad at the governor?

-Mike

While many thought the fix was in with Rendell (station square), it ended up being the North Shore casino which won. So I'm not buying a fix. At the same time, Rendell did not help. He did not push for IOC or help the Penguins (or the people in Pittsburgh) cause. Maybe since Rendell is from Philly he really doesn't give a shit what people in Pittsburgh want. IMO, Rendell wants Pittsburgh to be a ghost town while his hometown Philly flourishes.

I'm more disappointed in Onorato and Ravenstahl, but I don't trust Rendell anymore than I do those two.

skidboot
12-22-2006, 09:18 AM
There is no doubt the politicians have screwed Lemieux over in the past. But before you go on TV and state all sales are off and we are looking to other cities, don't you think you should sit down with Onorato and Ravenstahl and have a talk? I mean, look at every option possible before packing the bags and making the statement Lemieux made today? If you truly want to keep this team in Pittsburgh, at least talk to these guys and listen to what they have to say or offer.

By no means am I blaming Lemieux for the license situation, but I wasn't crazy about his statements today.




He just did it to turn up the Pressure and get something done as quickly as possible.

I DO think he's flustered and has had enough of it all.

SteelCityMan786
12-22-2006, 10:22 AM
While many thought the fix was in with Rendell (station square), it ended up being the North Shore casino which won. So I'm not buying a fix. At the same time, Rendell did not help. He did not push for IOC or help the Penguins (or the people in Pittsburgh) cause. Maybe since Rendell is from Philly he really doesn't give a shit what people in Pittsburgh want. IMO, Rendell wants Pittsburgh to be a ghost town while his hometown Philly flourishes.

I'm more disappointed in Onorato and Ravenstahl, but I don't trust Rendell anymore than I do those two.

I never trusted Rendell. This state has been in worse shape then when Tom Ridge and Mark Schweiker left the office of governor and our state fine.

83-Steelers-43
12-22-2006, 10:41 AM
Smizik: Efforts should go into a fair Plan B
Friday, December 22, 2006

By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Let me see if I have this right: After their entry fails to win the slots license, the Penguins and the NHL, a league that is threatening to disappear from the major sports scene, are not so subtly threatening to relocate a franchise that after finishing in last place for four consecutive seasons and while facing one of the worst teams in the league on a Tuesday night in December draws a packed house of more than 17,000 in a decrepit facility?

The threat rings just about as true as "the fix is in," which was the pathetically desperate and oft-repeated attempt by the MFOM (Media Friends of Mario) to discredit the entire slots licensing process.

It didn't work. Their shameless attempt to smear politicians that were in no way connected with the process also didn't work.

The fix was not in. The least politically connected of the three applicants for the license turned out to be the winner.

Coming out on top was outsider Don Barden of Detroit, who neither had the political connections of the Forest City group -- who the liars said would be the recipient of the fix -- or of the Isle of Capri, which had the backing of the Penguins, their legendary and universally admired owner Mario Lemieux and who were fronted by a superb lobbyist, the very politically connected David Morehouse.

Barden won because of old-fashioned values, not because of 21st century smear tactics. He won because he had the best plan in the best location. Yes, better than the Isle of Capri's plan, which promised $290 million toward a badly needed new arena.

At a news conference Monday, which was viewed as a final attempt to sway the Gaming Control Board, the seven-person panel that awarded the license, Lemieux wondered aloud how it would be possible to turn down $290 million of private money for a public building.

The answer came Wednesday when it was acknowledged that the board's own consultants determined that Barden's plan would produce the most revenue for the state. That's a point that never sunk in with many, mostly because the Isle of Capri and MFOM tried to make this about what was best for the Penguins. In the end, truth won. It wasn't what was best for the Penguins, it is what's best for the state and the region.

Barden's North Shore plan clearly was the best location, away from neighborhoods, with plenty of room to build and nearby access to many major highways. The design was superb and the plan, according to the board, the best. Not even the out-of-character whining from the Pirates and Steelers can alter those facts.

With the slots license determined, all efforts must be put forward to develop a Plan B that will be fair to the Penguins and keep them here. That's the job of Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato. Gov. Ed Rendell, who was relentlessly trashed by MFOM, also will help. The treatment of Rendell by MFOM has been beyond reason. He was crucified for remaining impartial in the licensing process, although by the very nature of his position -- he appointed three of the board members -- he had to be neutral. It was typical of the smear tactics of Isle of Capri supporters.

Plan B took on new urgency yesterday when Lemieux, in a written statement, said, "... starting today, the team is off the market and we will begin to explore relocation options in cities outside Pennsylvania." He also said in the immediate future the team would "begin discussions with local leaders about a viable Pittsburgh arena plan."

It certainly is within Lemieux's right to consider all options. When he took over the team in 1999, rescuing it from bankruptcy, he never expected to be connected with it this long. He wants his money and he wants to get out. He deserves both of his wishes.

Under the current Plan B, the licensing winner puts up $7.5 million for 30 years, another $7 million comes out of the state's slots fund annually and the Penguins are expected to contribute $4 million a year after an upfront contribution of $8.5 million.

The Penguins' portion is negotiable and will be even more so with the leverage Lemieux has. The Penguins should be expected to put up about as much for the arena as the Pirates did for PNC Park, which was about 18 percent. If Lemieux can whittle that lower, more power to him.

Although relocation of the franchise is not likely, nor is it out of the question, attempting to drive too hard of a deal with Penguins ownership on Plan B could force the team out of town.

A primary option is believed to be Kansas City, which has a new arena and is awaiting a tenant. Kansas City also has something else. It is the only city in America that has had and lost teams in the NHL, NBA and MLB. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman should think long and hard before he gives a city with such a track record a franchise and even longer and harder before he considers moving the Penguins, where ardent support is proven.

The ugly process of awarding the slots license is behind us. There needs to be a unity of effort by all parties to deliver a fair Plan B to the Penguins and keep the franchise where it belongs.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06356/748229-194.stm

83-Steelers-43
12-22-2006, 03:24 PM
Onorato says arena is top priority
Friday, December 22, 2006

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato today said that reaching an agreement with the Penguins on a new arena was his top priority and he hoped to be able to achieve it in six to eight weeks.

The heat on the issue was turned up this week when the state gaming panel selected developer Don Barden for the city's only casino license. The Penguins had favored a plan by Isle of Capri, which had pledged $290 million toward an arena if it got the license.

The Penguins yesterday said they were now willing to entertain invitations to move the team to another city.

Mr. Onorato's comments followed a conversation he and Pittburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl had today with Mr. Barden.

Mr. Barden reiterated his support for "Plan B," the alternative funding plan for the arena using proceeds from casinos. Under the plan, the developer is to provide $7.5 million a year for an arena. Mr. Onorato said Mr. Barden was not asked to provide more and did not voltunteer to.

With various funding commitments already in place, Mr. Onorato said $230 million toward an arena is already secured. He said that was not too far from the $290 million pledged from Isle of Capri.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06356/748320-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
12-22-2006, 10:21 PM
Let's see him get the job done

FSN made mention that Balsillie has interests of buying the team again.

83-Steelers-43
12-23-2006, 08:46 AM
Onorato: Penguins giving cold shoulder

By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, December 23, 2006


Despite coming up with $230 million for a new arena, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato said Friday he can't get the Penguins to return his phone calls.

Onorato said he has "no choice" but to assume the team will negotiate with local leaders in good faith over an Uptown arena. The Penguins have said they plan to shop the franchise to other cities.

"It's a crazy world when it comes to professional sports franchises, because other cities are willing to make the deal," Onorato said.

Separately, county Prothonotary Michael Lamb has floated the idea of locating the new arena on the North Shore -- rather than Uptown, as planned. The arena could be part of the planned Majestic Star Casino, west of the Carnegie Science Center, he said.

"As the North Shore has developed into an entertainment destination, it only makes sense to include in that venue a new multi-purpose facility," Lamb wrote in a letter to Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl.

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority has purchased Uptown properties for the arena and is not looking at other sites, executive director Mary Conturo said Thursday.

Detroit businessman Don Barden, who won the license for the North Shore casino this week, spoke with Onorato and Ravenstahl by phone for 25 minutes yesterday. He reiterated a commitment to pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years toward an arena, Onorato said.

"That's an excellent down payment on an arena and a great place to start," said Bob Oltmanns, Barden's spokesman. "As far as we're concerned, Plan B is now Plan A."

Barden, who will own the proposed Majestic Star Casino, west of the Carnegie Science Center, is not willing to sweeten his offer, Oltmanns said.

The Penguins had hoped to get a free arena by partnering with Isle of Capri Casinos, which offered to pay $290 million if it won the slots license. Onorato said he and Ravenstahl left a message Wednesday with the team concerning arena negotiations.

Team officials plan to talk with local leaders about an arena, but are going to look at other cities, said spokesman David Morehouse.

"We're going to step back, take a deep breath and look at everything that's going on," he said.

Besides Barden's money, the state would contribute $7 million a year from its gambling proceeds. The team would have to pay $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.1 million a year in naming rights.

The annual payments from Barden and the state would allow the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority to borrow $230 million, Onorato said.

Working out a deal to build an arena and keep the team in Pittsburgh is the "No. 1 priority," Onorato said, adding that local leaders hope to meet with the Penguins the first week in January.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_485523.html

83-Steelers-43
12-23-2006, 08:59 AM
I'm hoping this is an example of Lemieux blowing smoke and playing hardball.

LarryNJ
12-23-2006, 09:12 AM
Coming from someone who has only followed the issue from a far I thought the Pens weren't permitted to talk to anyone else about the areana except IOC until 30 days after the decision in case IOC wants to appeal it.

It's very hard to determine what Mario and his group are thinking. I'd like to think that Mario is just using this as a leverage to get the best deal possible. But it's a busineess and if they can get millions more moving the team and he's feed up with all the BS over the last 10 years why wouldn't he move the team?

I think & hope that the Pens will stay in Pittsburgh.

If they do move the team to another city, will Mario still be loved?

83-Steelers-43
12-23-2006, 09:29 AM
Coming from someone who has only followed the issue from a far I thought the Pens weren't permitted to talk to anyone else about the areana except IOC until 30 days after the decision in case IOC wants to appeal it.

It's very hard to determine what Mario and his group are thinking. I'd like to think that Mario is just using this as a leverage to get the best deal possible. But it's a busineess and if they can get millions more moving the team and he's feed up with all the BS over the last 10 years why wouldn't he move the team?

I think & hope that the Pens will stay in Pittsburgh.

If they do move the team to another city, will Mario still be loved?


In that agreement, I'm not sure if talking over the phone and setting up meetings is not permitted. I'm not sure.

As for eventually meeting up with Onorato. I don't think Lemeiux has much of a choice. The NHL has made it very clear they don't want the Penguins to move and I believe it when you look at the market numbers. The NHL will make Lemieux sit down and see what Onorato and Ravenstahl have to offer.

IMO, Mario will still be loved. It's not his fault we didn't get the IOC plan or that the politicians in this state have screwed him over in the past. At the same time, I am a little perplexed that the Penguins didn't have a backup plan. In any business you can't rely on one plan (IOC in this case). We were banking on IOC and IOC only. The Penguins went as far as to sign the statement that they were not permitted to negotiate with the state (not a smart move at all).

Other blame Lemieux could and should take. The way this team has been managed since he took over. The buddy-buddy system with Patrick and Co. He made it a family instead of a business. When all is said and done, Lemieux is a hockey player, not a businessman.

SteelCityMan786
12-23-2006, 10:12 AM
In some cases I figured why not have the Penguins arena in the area of where PNC and Heinz are today. Except, parking might be an issue for both.

skidboot
12-23-2006, 11:06 AM
Lemieux will be loved....not like Les Binkley or Dave Burrows but loved nonetheless.

z_only1
12-24-2006, 02:15 AM
This is shameful.
Nhl trying to market itself and they let an icon leave, wtf.

Here are the lost phrases of "Mike Lange" that we all have grown acustom to:
* "It's a... HOCKEY NIGHT in Pittsburgh!"
* "I'll be cow-kicked!
* "Oh no, Eddie Spaghetti!"
* "Hallelujah Hollywood!"
* "Heeeeeeeeeeeee shoots and scores!"
* "It would take a miracle on Grant Street to come back from this deficit."
* "Scratch my back with a hacksaw!"
* "Well shave my face with a rusty razor!"
* "Great balls of fire!"
* "He was hit so hard his kids will be born dizzy"
* "He's handing out checks like it's the first of the month!"
* "He's like a bull in a china shop!"
* "Donna needs a donut!"
* "He left the defensemen on the parkway going to the airport!"
* "Look out Loretta!"
* "Buy Sam a drink and get his dog one too!"
* "He doesn't know whether to cry or wind his watch"
* "Michael, Michael, Motorcycle"
* "He hasn't scored since the eighth-grade picnic."
* "Never teach a pig to sing!"
* "Get in the fast lane Grandma, the bingo game's ready to roll!"
* "She wants to sell my monkey!"
* "Call Arnold Slick from Turtle Creek!" (In western Pennsylvania, some people pronounce creek as "crick")
* "He beat him like a rented mule!"
* "They are buzzing like beeeees around a hive!"
* "They threw everything at him but the kitchen sink!"
* "He put (insert player name) on his wallet!"
* "He's all over 'em like a new pair of shoes."
* "Big Ben strikes one."
* "Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has just left the building!"
* "Book 'em Danno!"
* "He picked his pocket like he was walking down 5th Avenue"
* "If you missed this, shame on you for six weeks."
* "He's smilin' like a butcher's dog"
* "He takes the heat out of a hot kitchen"
* "How much fried chicken can you eat?"
* "He gave 'em more moves than Mae West."
* "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog!"
* "Oh slap me silly Sidney!"
* "Get that dog off my lawn!"
* "And the kitchen is closed!"
* "He smoked him like a bad cigar!" (originally stated in Czech when the Penguins had Jaromir Jagr)
* "Go ahead, make my day!"
* "You'd have to be here to believe it!"
* "You can spit-shine your shoes, 'cause the Pens are going dancing with Lord Stanley!"
* "Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, bring me the brandy!"
* "Go for it, Mario; go for it."
* "Never sit on a bald man's hat."
* "Lets go hunt moose on a Harley!"

Enjoy!

Merry Christmas

z_only1
12-24-2006, 02:37 AM
AHHHH Michael, Michael motor cycle, Crosby highlight with Lange(commentating with passion): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLc84all--s
:cheers:

z_only1
12-24-2006, 06:04 AM
Anyone know if Mikey Lange landed to do an other gig elsewhere?

Anyone, have the info let me know.

MERRY CHRISTMAS .............................bastard

:thumbsup: nah ned a drnk :cheers: :beerbang: :beerbang:

83-Steelers-43
12-25-2006, 08:06 AM
Yeah, he does Penguins radio.

SteelCityMan786
12-25-2006, 11:25 PM
Some people created this. I am not part of it. I just found it on the Penguins message board. It's a site that you can donate money to help pay for the new arena.

http://www.pittsburghpenguinsarenafund.com/

83-Steelers-43
12-26-2006, 08:44 AM
"To pull this miracle off we figure we need to have donations from one million people averaging $100 dollars each."

Unfortunately, a miracle is right.

LarryNJ
12-26-2006, 09:44 AM
I'd bet they will never hit $1000 let alone $100,000,000. Nice thought though.

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 11:04 AM
At least they're trying.

83-Steelers-43
12-26-2006, 09:34 PM
Off topic. Witnessed something tonight. The Caps are playing the Sabres tonight. The Caps were losing 6-1 and Ovechkin scored to make it 6-2. From the way Ovechkin was celebrating, you would have thought the guy tied it up or took the lead for his team. I hope somebody catches that S.OB. with his head down at some point this season.

Thank you hockey gods for Sid.

Pens losing 1-0 tonight to the Devils in the third.

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 09:36 PM
They've had some threatening stuff go on tonight.

83-Steelers-43
12-26-2006, 09:47 PM
A few complaints............

Sidney Crosby does not play enough. I don't even think he cracks the top 20 in ice time. The best player in hockey doesn't crack the top 20? That's crazy.

Also, did Christensen insult Therrien's mother? I know Ouellet is Therrien's little French Canadien pet, but I will take Christensen over Ouellet anyday of the week. The kid was called up and was scoring goals and picking up assists and then he was benched for a guy who's main strength is scoring on the PP and he hasn't even been doing that lately. Smart.

It is now 2-0 Devils with 4:02 left. This game is over.

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 09:51 PM
Just sick. Hopefully tomorrow they come out well tomorrow against Atlanta.

83-Steelers-43
12-26-2006, 09:51 PM
Directly after Ouellet misses a nice opportunity Gionta comes down and makes it 3-0...nice.

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 09:52 PM
BLAH

X-Terminator
12-26-2006, 10:17 PM
Boring and predictable game. The Pens just cannot beat the Devils, especially in Jersey. And I'm sorry, but somebody needed to knock Cam Janssen on his ass for going after Sid. This "team toughness" garbage is starting to piss me off.

Anyway, hoping for a better effort tomorrow night - we cannot fall too far behind in the race, either in the division or conference.

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 11:01 PM
Amen to that X-Terminator.

skidboot
12-27-2006, 10:34 AM
lol.


yeah lets fund the arena so we can pay for Millionaires to play in it.



LOL.

SteelCityMan786
12-27-2006, 03:02 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06361/749220-61.stm

Penguins Notebook: Unusual game-day routine follows 4-day holiday break

Wednesday, December 27, 2006
By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The Penguins did not have a normal itinerary for their trip to play the New Jersey Devils last night.

Coming off of a four-day Christmas break, the team took an early flight to New Jersey yesterday, cutting it close enough that a slight fog delay pushed their morning skate at Continental Airlines Arena back by 15 minutes so the equipment could arrive.

At the morning skate, coach Michel Therrien broke from the routine and included drills usually reserved for non-game-day practices, including work on defensive-zone coverage and the power play, although the skate wasn't appreciably longer than normal.

"We added some stuff because we wanted to get their attention," Therrien said. "We didn't want to just go through the motion of a normal morning skate."

He said the players returned from their time off "pretty sharp."

That didn't surprise center Sidney Crosby.

"When you get a break, you have to enjoy Christmas, but we take our job seriously," he said. "You just have to have a transition where you're focusing on hockey instead of relaxing. I think it's easy to do. We had enough time to get away."

The four days off were twice as long as the NHL mandates over Christmas, and longer than most teams got.

Rather than worry about rust, winger Mark Recchi looked at the break as a bonus considering the tight Eastern Conference standings.

"It's great," Recchi said. "I think it will help us in the long run, especially when you're going to [essentially] be playing playoff hockey the rest of the year. You're going to need as much rest as possible."

Good start for Letang

Defenseman Kris Letang had two assists to lead Canada to a 2-0 win against host Sweden to open the World Junior Championship tournament. Letang, the Penguins' 2005 third-round pick, assisted on both of Canada's power-play goals in the second period. Letang, the team captain, is one of the returning players from Team Canada's gold-medal squad at the World Junior Championships in Vancouver, B.C. last year.

No net gains

Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur is a sure Hall of Famer with a long list of credentials that includes 10 seasons of 30-plus wins, being second on the NHL all-time wins list (465 before last night) and tied for third all-time with 84 shutouts.

So, it would seem, his opinions on a renewed push by NHL executive Colin Campbell to increase the size of the nets are worth hearing.

If the nets are made bigger, Brodeur said. "Everything that you learn through your career goes out the window almost. You've got a lot of spots on ice that you refer to for your angles, so, if they make the net bigger, I'm not sure how that's going to work."

Brodeur said bigger nets could weed out smaller goaltenders and could make it tougher for young players to become proficient at the position.

"Whatever the NHL does, it goes down to the kids, and, for them, there's a lot of net to be shot at now," Brodeur said.

The intent would be to add offense. That might work, Brodeur said.

"If it's 7-6, yeah," he said. "But if it's 10-1, I don't know if people will enjoy that."

In summation, that would be one voice against.

Lineup adjustments

Penguins scratches were forwards Erik Christensen and Ronald Petrovicky.

For the Devils, leading scorer Patrik Elias played despite a sore left foot. He took a shot Friday against Washington and missed New Jersey's loss Saturday against Atlanta.

Devils defenseman and alternate captain Colin White wasn't as lucky. A groin injury forced him out of the lineup. The Devils recalled Alex Brooks before the game.

All-Star voting update

Crosby continues to lead Eastern Conference fan voting for the All-Star Game starting lineup next month. His 747,332 votes are more than 200,000 ahead of the second-place forward, Washington's Alex Ovechkin. Penguins rookie Evgeni Malkin is fifth among forwards with 373,609 votes, and the Penguins' Marc-Andre Fleury is third among goaltenders with 324,179 votes.

83-Steelers-43
12-27-2006, 10:01 PM
Pens lose 4-2 to the Thrashers. Nice to see Christensen score in his first game back from his undeserved benching. Yeah, we might want to keep him in the lineup.

SteelCityMan786
12-27-2006, 10:11 PM
Definantly 83

X-Terminator
12-27-2006, 10:17 PM
Win 3, lose 3, win 4, lose 4, win 5, lose 5....

This team is so maddeningly inconsistent it's insane. And God, please get Mark Eaton healthy soon - this team's defense has been awful since he got hurt.

No playoffs for them this year if they don't start playing consistent, solid hockey and win games. You can't win on a regular basis by only playing 2 periods of hockey a night.

SteelCityMan786
12-27-2006, 10:36 PM
That's for sure.

HometownGal
12-27-2006, 11:21 PM
Win 3, lose 3, win 4, lose 4, win 5, lose 5....

This team is so maddeningly inconsistent it's insane. And God, please get Mark Eaton healthy soon - this team's defense has been awful since he got hurt.

No playoffs for them this year if they don't start playing consistent, solid hockey and win games. You can't win on a regular basis by only playing 2 periods of hockey a night.


Just got home from the game. I wouldn't necessarily say that they only played 2 periods tonight, XT. They were hammering Lehtonen - he played a helluva game. I feel for Gonchar - he is the only defenseman showing up to play and is on the ice more than anyone else.

Hey - where has Petrovicky been? Healthy scratch? I like his physical and gutsy play.

83-Steelers-43
12-28-2006, 08:05 AM
Definantly 83

Some good news SCM.............

Eaton makes progress

Defenseman Mark Eaton, who has not played since having his left wrist dislocated Nov. 4 at San Jose, got back on skates for the first time yesterday.

While that was a significant milestone in his recovery, Eaton is not expected to get medical clearance to resume playing until February, even though he said he would like to do so by mid- to late-January.

Eaton, who had the cast removed from his surgically repaired wrist last week, said his first time back on skates went pretty much the way he anticipated it would.

"Anytime you're off [the ice] that long and get back on, you know you're not going to feel great," he said. "It'll take a couple of weeks to start feeling good again."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06362/749565-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
12-28-2006, 10:10 AM
ALRIGHT! Good to see he's getting healthy.

X-Terminator
12-28-2006, 10:52 AM
Just got home from the game. I wouldn't necessarily say that they only played 2 periods tonight, XT. They were hammering Lehtonen - he played a helluva game. I feel for Gonchar - he is the only defenseman showing up to play and is on the ice more than anyone else.

Hey - where has Petrovicky been? Healthy scratch? I like his physical and gutsy play.

Yeah, Lehtonen is the reason why Atlanta won last night, no doubt. The Pens could have run him out of the building in the 3rd period especially (I did not see any of the first period, but heard the Pens pretty much dominated them). Still though, it's frustrating to see this team losing games like this when they're still in the chase for a playoff spot/division title. We're coming up on the midway point of the season - now is not the time for long losing streaks.

As for Petrovicky, I think it's a numbers game more than anything else - they want to keep the 4th line intact and find a spot for Michel Ouellet, so he's the odd man out. I don't know why Dominic Moore was a healthy scratch last night either - I thought he played OK in Jersey on Tuesday night. Some of the decisions Therrien has made with the lineup lately has made me scratch my head. And I still think Crosby and Malkin should be playing together full-time - the team has had a problem generating offense lately, and maybe that will get things going.

HometownGal
12-28-2006, 12:45 PM
Yeah, Lehtonen is the reason why Atlanta won last night, no doubt. The Pens could have run him out of the building in the 3rd period especially (I did not see any of the first period, but heard the Pens pretty much dominated them). Still though, it's frustrating to see this team losing games like this when they're still in the chase for a playoff spot/division title. We're coming up on the midway point of the season - now is not the time for long losing streaks.

As for Petrovicky, I think it's a numbers game more than anything else - they want to keep the 4th line intact and find a spot for Michel Ouellet, so he's the odd man out. I don't know why Dominic Moore was a healthy scratch last night either - I thought he played OK in Jersey on Tuesday night. Some of the decisions Therrien has made with the lineup lately has made me scratch my head. And I still think Crosby and Malkin should be playing together full-time - the team has had a problem generating offense lately, and maybe that will get things going.

The Pens did pretty much dominate that game from start to finish but just couldn't get any more than 2 pucks in the net. I rarely saw Sid and Malkin together other than on the PP and I agree - they need to be linemates a little more often. Yeah - I don't understand why Moore was a healthy scratch last night either any more than I understand why the "waste of a pair of skates" - Melichar - hasn't been sent down to the farm. Nasreddine has been a bit of a pleasant surprise, though.

I still wish Therrien would allow Ruutu to be Ruutu. Making a pansy out of him doesn't benefit anyone other than a potential "victim". We got him to serve a purpose - let him serve that purpose.

btw - our drunken "buddies" weren't there last night, so I could enjoy the game with Zac. LOL!

83-Steelers-43
12-29-2006, 08:53 AM
ALRIGHT! Good to see he's getting healthy.

Some more good news SCM......*Fingers crossed*

Lemieux agrees to meeting with Rendell on financing to keep team in Pittsburgh
Arena talks next week
Friday, December 29, 2006

By Tom Barnes, Post-Gazette Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG -- Gov. Ed Rendell is coming to Pittsburgh next week to talk to Penguins' owner Mario Lemieux about financing for a new arena to anchor the team in Pittsburgh.

Mr. Rendell announced a goal of March 31 for completing a deal to finance a new $290 million arena with tax-exempt bonds. That target date is about a month later than the February deadline mentioned last week by Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato.

Mr. Rendell, joined by Mr. Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, sent a letter Wednesday to Mr. Lemieux, saying they are "solidly committed to keeping the Penguins at home in Pittsburgh." The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette obtained a copy of the letter yesterday.

"We believe the time has come for those [arena financing] discussions to begin and to proceed in an expeditious manner, as we would like to complete negotiations on a financial plan by no later than March 31, 2007," the three officials said.

Mr. Rendell proposed starting the arena talks in Pittsburgh on Thursday and, in a letter to the governor last night, Mr. Lemieux agreed. Also at the meeting will be team officials Ronald Burkle, Ken Sawyer, David Morehouse and Chuck Greenberg.

Mr. Lemieux said he wants to have a financing plan ready "well in advance" of March 31.

Mr. Lemieux, in his letter, said that when he and his partners bought the team seven years ago, "We made it clear that we needed a new arena to become economically viable and competitive in Pittsburgh."

State and local officials became nervous after Mr. Lemieux said last week he would begin talking to other cities about moving the team.

Kansas City, Mo., has a new but empty arena and would like to land a hockey team.

The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June. The arena, which opened in 1961, is the oldest in the National Hockey League.

Mr. Onorato has called reaching a deal to build a new arena for the Penguins his No. 1 priority.

In his letter to Mr. Lemieux, Mr. Rendell said he'll be in Pittsburgh Thursday and would like to arrange "a mutually agreeable time" to begin talks on financing for a new arena. Mr. Lemieux said Thursday afternoon works for him.

The governor said he recognizes that Mr. Lemieux has had a contractual obligation with Isle of Capri casinos, a St. Louis-based gaming company that had offered to build a new $290 million arena for the Penguins if it received a state slots license.

But Isle of Capri didn't get the license. Instead, the state Gaming Control Board, on Dec. 20, awarded the sole slots license for Pittsburgh to Detroit casino entrepreneur Don Barden. He plans to build a Majestic Star casino in the Chateau neighborhood near the Carnegie Science Center.

Mr. Lemieux said that now that Isle of Capri's offer to build the arena "has been turned down" by the state, "We are in the process of exploring all of our options" for building an arena.

In the letter, the governor again outlined the details of his so-called Plan B, the backup plan for funding a new arena, under which a $290 million bond would be floated and paid off over 30 years with money from four sources.

Under the Rendell plan, the team would provide $8.5 million upfront and $2.9 million per year to pay off the bonds; Mr. Barden has agreed to provide $7.5 million a year; a new state economic development fund, fueled by casino revenue, would provide $7 million a year; and another $1.1 million annual contribution would come from selling the naming and advertising rights at the new multipurpose arena, whose major tenant would be the Penguins.

Mr. Lemieux told the governor he appreciated "the positive tone of your recent public comments." But he said he's hoping that a financing plan could be developed that "is significantly better than the original Plan B."

The governor, county executive and the mayor reminded Mr. Lemieux how they have "moved forward with planning for the new arena."

They said they have "acquired the necessary land within the footprint designated by the Penguins and have continued to work on the design and financing plans."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06363/749815-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
12-29-2006, 02:49 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Finally the jackass aka Rendell is starting to pull his head out of his ass. Let's hope he gets it done. If he does, that's a sign he cares about more then just Philly.

skidboot
12-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Attaway to beat on those Leafs last night!!!

83-Steelers-43
12-30-2006, 08:01 PM
Attaway to beat on those Leafs last night!!!

IMO, probably the most exciting Penguin game to watch this season. Hard hits, a good fight (finally), nice saves, good end to end transition by both teams. It was good hockey.

Up next, Carolina at home.

skidboot
12-31-2006, 10:05 AM
Pens are a young team and the best is yet to come for sure just make sure they give 100% when they are out there.

Carolina....they are flying under the radar again. Watch out for them. I know its hard to "watch out " for the Defending Champs but they are starting to come along IMO.




BTW did you see D.Brashear go bonkers last night vs the Rangers?

83-Steelers-43
12-31-2006, 10:07 AM
BTW did you see D.Brashear go bonkers last night vs the Rangers?


What I enjoyed more was watching Orr whoop on Ovechkin. :sofunny:

skidboot
12-31-2006, 10:22 AM
Ovechkin had it coming.


He's been taking some liberties out there with no response since he entered the league.


He's a helluva player who plays with an edge but if he's gonna play that way he better have the radar out because someone is going to get him.

83-Steelers-43
01-01-2007, 09:45 AM
Winger Nils Ekman, whose left elbow as injury Friday night, was not at practice.

He is expected to have an MRI as early as today to determine the extent of the damage. The team declined to say whether any breaks have been found.

There have been no roster moves thus far to replace Ekman.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07001/750489-61.stm

Jonathan Filewich...:hope:

SteelCityMan786
01-01-2007, 10:41 AM
Not Good. I just hope he gets healthy soon. Remember, it's only halfway and the season is a marathon not a sprint like football.

83-Steelers-43
01-01-2007, 11:08 AM
While I never like to see a player get injured, I won't exactly be waiting anxiously for Ekman's return (like I am Eaton's). Since his HT Ekman hasn't shown me much of anything. Beside one goal and a -13. I'm hoping his injury opens up a spot for either Filewich or Carcillo.

SteelCityMan786
01-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Crosby with 2 goals and Ryan Whitney with the others Penguins lead 3-0 late in the 3rd.

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2007, 10:37 PM
Just got back from the game.

The Good: Excellent game by the Pens. While Gonchar played one helluva game tonight, the the one guy that does not get enough credit is Scuderi. Talk about solid.

The Bad: Recchi could have had two (at least) in the first alone. Malone decided to take a slapshot on a clear breakaway. Complete joke. Still not getting production from our wingers.

X-Terminator
01-03-2007, 12:27 AM
Actually, the announcers said Malone was working on that breakaway slapshot in practice. I personally don't have a problem with it, IF you can get it on net. Brian Rolston of the Wild has done it several times and scored - he did it in a shootout earlier this year and scored, as a matter of fact - but then again, few can shoot the puck like he can.

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2007, 07:44 AM
If Ryan Malone was Brian Rolston I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it even though I still don't agree with taking a slapshot on a clear cut breakaway. Big difference between 20 goals with 16 assists and 5 goals with 5 assists. But, maybe that's just my preference.

Ryan, do me a favor next time. Try a deke, snap or wrist shot. Thanks.

Anyways, in other news..................

Lemieux meeting today with K.C. officials
Pens' owners also set to discuss 'Plan B' with city, Pa. leaders
Wednesday, January 03, 2007

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Kansas City officials, eager to find an anchor tenant for a new arena, will get their first opportunity to lure the Penguins there today.

Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle, who lead the franchise's ownership group, and other members of the team's front office accepted an invitation to travel to Kansas City and meet with representatives of the city and the Sprint Center, a $276 million multipurpose venue scheduled to open this fall.

The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June, and they have attracted expressions of interest from cities across North America that are in the market for a National Hockey League franchise. This will be the first meeting between Penguins executives and people from one of those cities.

It is not known if the team has been contacted by representatives of anyplace except Kansas City, but when Mr. Lemieux announced last month that the franchise no longer was for sale, he made it clear that ownership was prepared to entertain arena proposals from any city seeking an NHL club.

That sentiment was reinforced in a letter he and Mr. Burkle sent to Gov. Ed Rendell, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl last week.

In that letter, they agreed to meet with those elected officials tomorrow to discuss what is popularly known as "Plan B," a proposal the public officials are formulating to finance construction of an arena here. But they reiterated that "we are in the process of exploring all of our options."

Although no formal deadline for determining where the Penguins will be based next season has been established, the Penguins' letter conveyed the importance of having the matter resolved in the relatively near future.

The urgency is based, in part, on the NHL needing to know where the team will play so that work can begin on its schedule for the 2007-08 season. Also, the Penguins would need considerable time before next season to handle business-related issues such as selling tickets and arranging corporate sponsorships, particularly if they are operating in a new market.

"We appreciate the positive tone of your recent public comments and look forward to seeing what has been described as a plan that is significantly better than the original 'Plan B,' " the letter said.

"It is essential for the future of this franchise that we negotiate an arena deal that makes economic sense for the long term. Please be advised that time is of the essence. We must have something in place well in advance of the March 31 deadline mentioned in your letter [proposing Thursday's meeting]."

Neither Mr. Lemieux nor Kansas City officials could be reached for comment last night.

While groups in cities like Houston and Las Vegas are purported to be shopping for an NHL team, Kansas City has been at the forefront of those hoping to attract one.

All 72 luxury suites at the Sprint Center have been sold, and California venture capitalist William "Boots" Del Biaggio III, who nearly purchased the Penguins in 2005, has an agreement in place to base a franchise there if he is able to acquire one.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07003/750772-61.stm

X-Terminator
01-03-2007, 12:04 PM
Bargaining ploy.

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2007, 01:17 PM
Onorato promises 'very competitive' Penguins deal
Wednesday, January 03, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Even as the Penguins ownership meets with Kansas City officials today about a potential relocation, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato said he, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Gov. Ed Rendell are prepared to make a "very competitive deal" to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

On the eve of the first face-to-face meeting with the Penguins over the details of the Plan B alternative for funding a new arena, Mr. Onorato said he was "cautiously optimistic" that local officials would be able to craft a deal that would prevent any potential move.

"We're in the position to put together a very competitive deal for a new arena and a franchise to be in that arena, and I believe at the end of the day the NHL and the ownership of the Penguins will see that this is a competitive deal," he said this morning.

Mr. Onorato, Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Rendell are expected to meet with Penguins owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle and other team officials tomorrow at the State Office Building to discuss Plan B. Mr. Onorato said he expects the meeting to begin "clarifying the details" of Plan B and a proposed long-term lease.

Arena funding under Plan B now includes $7.5 million a year for 30 years from Pittsburgh casino license winner Don Barden; $7 million a year for 30 years from a slots-financed state economic development fund; and $4 million a year from the Penguins, including $1.1 million annually from naming rights, plus $8.5 million upfront.

Local officials have said in the past the offer is negotiable, a point reiterated today by Mr. Onorato.

"There is no reason why we don't come to a meeting of the minds at the end of the day, whenever that day is, because of the gaming money that's on the table," he said.

In a prepared statement issued this morning, Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Burkle said, "We are meeting with officials in Kansas City today as part of our effort to explore all of our options regarding a new arena. We have heard many great things about their new building, which is scheduled to open in time for the start of the 2007-08 NHL season.

"We will meet with Governor Rendell, County Executive Onorato and Mayor Ravenstahl in Pittsburgh on Thursday, and we will continue to explore other options as well. Our hope is to reach a new arena deal as soon as possible that will best ensure the economic health and long-term future of the Penguins franchise."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07003/750942-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-03-2007, 06:08 PM
That deal better be a deal the Penguins can't refuse.

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2007, 10:07 PM
BTW, Ekman is out "indefinately" with a dislocated elbow. Just reported tonight on FSN Pittsburgh.

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 07:28 AM
Lemieux, officials meet today on arena
Government officials say deal competitive
Thursday, January 04, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Fresh off a visit to Kansas City, Penguins owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle will meet with local and state leaders in Pittsburgh today to discuss a plan for funding a new arena, with the hockey team's future here hanging in the balance.

Even as a new arena in Kansas City could be the bait to lure the Penguins away, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato vowed that he, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Gov. Ed Rendell are prepared to offer a "very competitive deal" to keep the team from bolting.

Yesterday, on the eve of the meeting with Lemieux, Burkle and other team officials, Onorato said he was "cautiously optimistic" an agreement could be crafted.

"We're in the position to put together a very competitive deal for a new arena and a franchise to be in that arena, and I believe at the end of the day the NHL and the ownership of the Penguins will see that this is a competitive deal," he said.

Onorato and the others are banking on Plan B, the arena funding formula crafted by Rendell as a backup to the pledge by Isle of Capri to provide $290 million for an arena if it got the Pittsburgh casino license.

Until now, neither Lemieux nor other Penguins officials could meet with local leaders to discuss arena funding because of the team's agreement with Isle of Capri. But last month when Isle of Capri lost, that left Plan B as the only thing standing between the Penguins, whose Mellon Arena lease expires at the end of June, and a potential move.

Under the plan, the arena would be funded with contributions of $7.5 million a year for 30 years from Pittsburgh casino winner Don Barden; $7 million a year for 30 years from a slots-financed state economic development fund; and $4 million a year from the Penguins, including $1.1 million annually from naming rights, plus $8.5 million upfront.

In a letter to Rendell last week, Lemieux and Burkle said they were hoping a financing plan could be developed that "is significantly better than the original Plan B."

Asked whether elected leaders would sweeten their offer at today's meeting, Onorato said he wouldn't use that term but added that he and the others would begin "clarifying the details" of Plan B and a proposed long-term lease.

Onorato reiterated yesterday that terms of Plan B are negotiable. He has said in the past he was confident the city, county and state could get the Penguins the same deal as the Pirates got at PNC Park, where the team contributed 18 percent of the $260 million cost. Under Plan B, the Penguins would be contributing close to 21 percent of the $290 million cost.

Onorato said the Penguins have used the Pirates' deal as a benchmark in the past, although it's uncertain whether that is still the case given the interest by other cities in the franchise.

"[The offer] is very close to what the Pirates have," Onorato said. "There is no reason why we don't come to a meeting of the minds at the end of the day, whenever that day is, because of the gaming money that's on the table."

He said he is not expecting to close a deal at today's meeting. But, he added, he, the mayor and the governor will go in prepared to negotiate.

"If they come ready to do a deal, we'll do a deal," he said.

Lemieux and Burkle indicated in their letter they want an agreement "well in advance" of a March 31 deadline proposed by the governor.

Onorato's comments came against the backdrop of the Penguins owners' visit to Kansas City.

"We are meeting with officials in Kansas City as part of our effort to explore all of our options regarding a new arena. We have heard many great things about their new building, which is scheduled to open in time for the start of the 2007-08 NHL season," according to a statement released by the Penguins and attributed to the team's owners.

"We will meet with Governor Rendell, County Executive Onorato and Mayor Ravenstahl in Pittsburgh [today], and we will continue to explore other options as well. Our hope is to reach a new arena deal as soon as possible that will best ensure the economic health and long-term future of the Penguins franchise."

Officials in Kansas City and from the Sprint Center, a $276 million facility scheduled to open this fall, supplied no details about what was discussed yesterday or whether any specific lease terms have been proposed.

Anschutz Entertainment Group, the Los Angeles-based company that will manage the Sprint Center, issued this statement: "As part of the ongoing process of bringing an NHL franchise to Sprint Center, meetings are scheduled with the ownership group of the Pittsburgh Penguins and our organization. A media briefing to discuss where we are with this process and the next steps is scheduled for a late morning press conference [today] in Kansas City."

Kansas City Mayor Kay Barnes was in Washington, D.C., on business. Boots Del Biaggio, who has a contract to own any NHL team that operates in the Sprint Center, was in California yesterday. Brenda Tinnen, the arena's general manager, did not return a phone call and was said to be in meetings all day. There were no public appearances or sightings of Lemieux in Kansas City.

Ravenstahl said he was not particularly perturbed that the team ownership was in Kansas City on the eve of today's meeting on Plan B.

"They made it pretty clear over the last couple of weeks that they're exploring other options," he said.

Neil deMause, co-author of the book Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money into Private Profit, described the situation as being about leverage. He compared it to the situation in Chicago in 1988 when White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf courted St. Petersburg, Fla., while angling for a new stadium.

"Reinsdorf was quoted at the time as saying, 'A savvy negotiator creates leverage.' Whether they are serious or not, the Penguins would be foolish not to create the impression they're going to Kansas City," deMause said in a telephone interview.

"Kansas City is absolutely a dream scenario. Everybody knows the Sprint Center doesn't have a tenant and they need one. Mario Lemieux has to explore his options," deMause added. "Plan B is already on the table. At what point do Mario and officials from the city and the state meet in the middle?"

Jim Balsillie, the Canadian billionaire whose agreement to purchase the Penguins was withdrawn last month over stipulations imposed by the NHL, is still interested in the Penguins if they are put back on the market.

"As I stated in my letter to Mario, Pittsburgh is clearly where the team belongs," Balsillie said yesterday in a statement sent on his BlackBerry wireless device. "It's a great hockey market with a great hockey tradition. All it needs is a new arena. Plan B promises a new arena. Certainly, I would still look at this, as would any hockey fan. This team simply has too much promise."

Another former bidder for the team, Andrew Murstein of Medallion Corp. in New York, said his group -- which includes Dan Marino -- is still interested in the Penguins.

"From day one, I said the team should stay in Pittsburgh and just negotiate a better Plan B. That's what should be done, and I predict that's what will be done."

Meanwhile, the mayor of Hartford, Conn., which lost its NHL franchise to Carolina, has written a two-page letter to Lemieux in an attempt to bring hockey back.

"Hartford is looking for an NHL franchise to be a symbol of revival of this city. I believe the Penguins are that franchise," Mayor Eddie A. Perez wrote.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07004/751161-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 11:46 AM
Paper gives some details of Kansas City bid for Penguins
Thursday, January 04, 2007

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Kansas City Star today reported that officials in that city believe their offer for the Penguins is far superior to Pittsburgh's bid to keep the team.

Penguins officials met yesterday with Kansas City officials and are to meet with Pennsylvania leaders this afternoon about the construction of an arena.

Among other things, there would be no construction costs for the Penguins for an arena in Kansas City because the Sprint Center is essentially paid for.

In addition, the Penguins would have the opportunity to become partners in the management of the building.

Read the article in the Kansas City Star.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07004/751250-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 11:50 AM
Breaking the ice with Pens
Pittsburgh contingent, including Mario Lemieux, arrives in KC for a peek at the Sprint Center.
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

The Pittsburgh Penguins’ top three executives arrived Wednesday night for their first peek at Kansas City and the Sprint Center.

Tim Leiweke, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group, which operates the new downtown arena, promised they would not be disappointed.

“If there is a 5 percent chance we can get the team here, this is going to be the best sales job they’ll ever get,” said Leiweke, who has been searching for an anchor tenant for the $276 million arena scheduled to open in October.

Leiweke met with Penguins owners Mario Lemieux, Ron Burkle and president Ken Sawyer during the evening, was to show them the arena site this morning and then hold a late-morning news conference today.

Lemieux declined to comment while sitting in the lobby of the Westin Crown Center hotel and said he wasn’t sure whether the Penguins officials would attend the conference. They will be heading back to Pittsburgh today for a meeting with Gov. Ed Rendell, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato about a plan for a new arena in Pittsburgh.

The Penguins’ lease at antiquated Mellon Arena expires in June, and they have been unsuccessful in securing a new facility in Pittsburgh. Lemieux announced on Dec. 21, a day after the state gaming board rejected a casino’s offer to build a $290 million arena, that he was taking the club off the market but would explore relocation options.

Lemieux has not been satisfied with Pittsburgh’s previous arena proposal, known as “Plan B,” because it calls for the Penguins to contribute $8.5 million up front plus $2.9 million a year for 30 years and an additional $1.16 million a year from the naming rights.

The club would have no such construction costs for Sprint Center, where all 72 suites are sold in the arena that would seat more than 17,000 for hockey.

Not only that, Leiweke said, the Penguins have the opportunity to invest $27 million — half of AEG’s stake in the arena — to become joint partners in the building.

“You essentially get a $300 million arena for free and 100 percent of the revenue streams for … $27 million,” Leiweke said. “They would be our 50-50 partner in the management company, they’d have a lease, and a majority of the revenue in the arena is going to be given to the arena through the lease.”

Boots Del Biaggio, a San Jose, Calif., businessman who has a contract with AEG to own an NHL franchise that plays in Sprint Center and to buy into the management of the arena, did not attend the meetings, but, according to Leiweke, he has been negotiating with Lemieux, a business partner in other ventures.

“AEG is my partner, and AEG is meeting with them,” Del Biaggio said. “When AEG talks to the Penguins, it’s like I’m talking to the Penguins.

“A reason for (Lemieux and Burkle) to come to Kansas City is to look at the building. I’ve already seen the building. It’s awesome.”

Del Biaggio nearly bought the Penguins in 2005, and Leiweke said: “Boots is completely incorporated in this conversation. Clearly there are members of the Penguins ownership group who are contemplating getting out, and I’m sure Boots is very comfortable with buying some or all of the team.”

Leiweke understands that the Penguins could be using Kansas City as leverage to get a better deal in Pittsburgh.

“Certainly it’s a situation where they’re going to make a best decision in the interest of the franchise,” Leiweke said. “This by no means is a sure thing for Kansas City. Chances are better than not they work this out in Pittsburgh. But if they don’t, we have to prove to them they don’t need to look any further than Kansas City.

“This is an opportunity for them to explore. We’re not stealing a team. We’re giving these guys a backup in case they cannot find a right deal in Pittsburgh.

“My personal opinion is they’re going to be blown away by what they see in Kansas City. It’s a great city, it’s a great building, and it’s a fantastic deal for somebody.”

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/16378442.htm

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 05:05 PM
It was just reported on WTAE news that a decision will be made in the next 30 days.

Onorato not deterred by Kansas City bid for Penguins
Thursday, January 04, 2007

By Robert Dvorchak and Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins will be able to move into a brand new arena in Kansas City, pay no rent, and keep building revenues, such as concessions and parking money, under updated terms unveiled today.

Under the latest offer, the Penguins would not have to invest $27 million to buy into the management agreement, as earlier had been reported. Tim Leiweke, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group, which invested $54 million in the new Sprint Center, told reporters at a press conference in Kansas City today the Penguins would not have to buy into the deal.

Before the newest details emerged, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato was optimistic that Pittsburgh can get a deal that's "in striking range" and that the case for keeping the NHL franchise had been strengthened going into today's 4 p.m. meeting with Mario Lemieux and his ownership group.

"This is the first time we've heard the team would have to pay a price to relocate," Mr. Onorato said before the new details emerged. "Everybody was assuming they could get a deal for free, and there were even rumors they would be given cash to move there," Mr. Onorato told the Post-Gazette editorial board this morning.

With a deadline approaching on an arena deal, this afternoon's meeting is the first face-to-face encounter between the team and local and state officials committed to keeping the franchise in Pittsburgh. It could be classified as the most important face-off Mr. Lemieux ever took. In addition to Mr. Onorato, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Gov. Ed Rendell will sit down with Mr. Lemieux and his ownership group concerning a financing plan to replace Mellon Arena, the oldest and smallest building in use in the NHL.

Yesterday, Mr. Lemieux was in Kansas City along with co-owner Ron Burkle and team president Ken Sawyer to get a look at the new Sprint Center, which is on schedule to open in October and is seeking an anchor tenant.

Numbers were dangled by Mr. Leiweke, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group, which invested $54 million to operate Kansas City's Sprint Center.

"This by no means is a sure thing for Kansas City," Mr. Lieweke told the Kansas City Star. "Chances are better than not they work this out in Pittsburgh. But if they don't, we have to prove to them they don't need to look any further than Kansas City. We're not stealing a team. We're giving these guys a backup in case they cannot find the right deal in Pittsburgh. My personal opinion is they're going to be blown away by what they see in Kansas City. It's a great city, it's a great building, and it's a fantastic deal for somebody."

The starting point for today's meeting in Pittsburgh is Mr. Rendell's plan, commonly called Plan B. It calls for the Penguins to pay $8 million up front and $4 million a year for 30 years, or a total commitment of $128 million.

But officials have said those numbers are negotiable, starting with the meeting today to break the ice. The Penguins could get a similar offer to what the Pirates received at PNC Park -- about $2.9 million a year for 30 years.

Before talks have started, Mr. Onorato said that $230 million toward a $290 million arena is already on the table through gambling revenues without the use of any taxpayer money.

Although he can't say for sure the franchise is staying, he noted that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has said he wants the Penguins -- with their 40-year tradition, two NHL championships, a core of young talent featuring Sidney Crosby and strong fan base -- where they are.

"The NHL's preference is for the Penguins to remain in Pittsburgh as long as there are two things in place -- a new arena and a lease that's suitable for the Penguins to be competitive," Mr. Onorato said. "It plays to our favor. The team is here. The NHL would have to approve a move."

Mr. Lemieux has publicly expressed his frustration at failing to secure a new arena over the past seven years, but none of the team owners and none of the political powers were in place when arena proposals were first bandied about in 1998.

"I know he's upset," said Mr. Onorato, who publicly reached out to Mr. Lemieux when the Isle of Capri deal fell through. "We have to get beyond that. Let's forget about the past."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07004/751250-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-04-2007, 06:03 PM
The deal in my opinion for Kansas City is a FAKE. The team can keep their revenue???? Give me a break. The City wants part of it. I can feel it right now.

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 06:16 PM
WTAE also stated that Rendell will not expect the Penguins to pay the 8.5 or the 2.9 million. That's not a bad deal. I'm not exactly sure it can get any better for the Penguins in this city.

X-Terminator
01-04-2007, 06:25 PM
The Pens play in KC for FREE and gets to keep all the money? How in the world would that be possible? And if this building was mostly funded by the taxpayers, how would you think they would feel about the team not paying back one red cent toward the cost of the building? Something about that whole thing smells fishy to me. Nevertheless, if a decision will be made within 30 days, my personal feeling will be that they will elect to relocate, especially if those terms are true. I'd be really shocked if they didn't.

Get your Pens tickets while you can.

83-Steelers-43
01-04-2007, 06:34 PM
The deal in my opinion for Kansas City is a FAKE. The team can keep their revenue???? Give me a break. The City wants part of it. I can feel it right now.

I agree. It's just a tad bit shady in my opinion. With Rendell's comments today (pertaining to the 8.5 and 2.9) along with Lemieux being "impressed" by our offer, I still remain cautiously optimistic.

A big part of me believes that all sides know that the visit to KC is just to leverage a better deal in Pittsburgh. AEG knows this, and by holding the press conference today, they are just trying to generate excitement and show other owners in the league that they may want to look at their own situations and consider a move. Pittsburgh is a good hockey market and I am sure Lemieux is not going to tarnish his status in Pitt by moving the team when what seems like a good deal was put forward by Rendell today. In my opinion, today was a very positive step in the right direction.

Finally, the NHL doesn't want a hockey team in K.C. More importantly, the NHL WANTS a team in Pittsburgh.

For me, the glass is still half full........

At least until someone else drinks it.

83-Steelers-43
01-05-2007, 07:22 AM
Lemieux 'optimistic' on keeping Penguins in Pittsburgh
After meeting with team owners, city, county and state officials say their arena offer is competitive with Kansas City's
Friday, January 05, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


With an enticing offer from Kansas City before him, Penguins owner Mario Lemieux emerged from a closed-door meeting with local and state officials optimistic about the prospects for keeping the team in Pittsburgh.

In brief remarks afterward, Mr. Lemieux described yesterday's 75-minute session with Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and county Chief Executive Dan Onorato at the State Office Building as "very positive."

When asked whether he was optimistic about keeping the team in Pittsburgh, he replied, "I've always been very optimistic. I've been here for 20-some years. But we have to evaluate all of our options, obviously. That's why we went to Kansas City ... to look at what they had to offer.

"But I'm optimistic with the meeting that we had today with the politicians here in town that they're willing to step up and talk about some issues that were a big concern for us going back seven years."

At the same time, Mr. Lemieux did not rule out a potential move, saying the team would take the next week or so to "really evaluate from our side where we're going."

Perhaps the most important faceoff of Mr. Lemieux's career, with the franchise's Pittsburgh future hanging in the balance, came on the heels of a visit to Kansas City during which the team was offered use of the new $276 million Sprint Center rent-free and a share of the profits from management of the venue.

State and local officials have countered with Plan B, the Rendell-crafted arena funding formula built around gambling revenues and contributions from the team. The team share was $8.5 million upfront, plus payments of $2.9 million a year for 30 years and $1.1 million a year from naming rights.

However, it is believed that Mr. Rendell, Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato offered a somewhat sweetened version in their initial meeting with Mr. Lemieux, co-owner Ron Burkle, team President Ken Sawyer and other representatives yesterday.

None of the participants would discuss the details afterward. But Mr. Ravenstahl insisted the latest offer is "competitive with Kansas City."

"We're confident that we have a very competitive deal," he said.

Like Mr. Lemieux, the public officials described the session as a positive one, though it appeared there was still much work to do.

"It was very productive today," Mr. Onorato said.

No additional meetings have been scheduled so far, but Mr. Ravenstahl said the two sides expect to continue discussions and "get down to specifics" to try to craft a new arena deal and lease that would keep the team in Pittsburgh for years to come.

Mr. Rendell said before the meeting that the state, city and county would not offer a "free" arena to the Penguins. He said that all professional sports teams that have built new facilities in Pennsylvania contributed "significant" dollars to the projects.

"We just don't have the capacity to do that," he said, adding he was skeptical of the reports coming from Kansas City that the Penguins had a free arena waiting for them.

Nonetheless, Mr. Rendell, who did not meet with reporters afterward, said he was prepared to modify Plan B based on statements by the Penguins that they had significant losses since offering to provide $2.9 million a year and $8.5 million upfront as part of an arena funding plan several years ago.

"If that is true, and the [city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority] believes it is, we will restructure our offer and make it better and make it an aggressive one," he said.

The session was the first face-to-face meeting between Mr. Lemieux and local and state officials since Isle of Capri, in partnership with the Penguins, lost its bid for the Pittsburgh casino license. The Isle had pledged $290 million for an arena in its proposal.

Mr. Lemieux said after the loss that he would entertain offers from other cities about a possible relocation, and also talk to local and state officials about a new arena deal under Plan B. The team's lease at Mellon Arena, the oldest building in the NHL, expires at the end of June.

The visit to Kansas City Wednesday and yesterday was the first since his announcement, and team officials came away impressed with what they saw. Mr. Lemieux said he had two "great" meetings yesterday, one here and the other in Kansas City.

The Sprint Center won't open until October, but already all 72 suites in the arena have been sold. At a news conference yesterday, Tim Leiweke, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group, said the offer to the Penguins includes no rent and a portion of the profits from management of the center. The team would serve as partner with Anschutz, which invested $54 million in the Sprint Center, in overseeing the facility.

Initial reports indicated that the Penguins would have to pay $27 million to buy into the building, but that apparently changed overnight. Mr. Leiweke said yesterday there would be no buy-in. The Penguins also would get to keep at least some building revenue, although it was unclear how much.

"We are not here to steal the Penguins from Pittsburgh and have been very respectful of their process," Mr. Leiweke said. "We understand this is Pittsburgh's team to lose, and we respect that right. Should Pittsburgh and the state of Pennsylvania not be able to work out what is deemed to be a proper arrangement in the eyes of the Penguins and the NHL, we believe the best opportunity for the Penguins is Kansas City."

Mr. Onorato has said that local and state officials have a key advantage under Plan B in that none of the revenues from the arena would be used to finance construction. That presumably would leave most if not all of that money, millions of dollars a year, for the Penguins.

He said after the meeting with the team that he doesn't feel pressured by the Kansas City offer.

"I don't think that changes anything. Again, this was the first chance to sit down and the fact it was a productive meeting, I think, is a positive sign," he said.

Mr. Onorato has said that no Allegheny Regional Asset District money, the funding stream used to pay a large part of Heinz Field and PNC Park, would be earmarked for a new arena. Mr. Rendell said "very little public tax dollars" would be part of a deal.

Besides team contributions under Plan B, another $7.5 million a year for 30 years would come from Pittsburgh casino winner Don Barden and $7 million a year from a slots-financed state economic development fund.

Mr. Lemieux has expressed frustration at failing to secure a new arena over the past seven years, but none of the team owners and none of the political powers were in place when funding proposals were first bandied about in 1998.

"I know he's upset," said Mr. Onorato, who publicly reached out to Mr. Lemieux when the Isle of Capri deal fell through. "We have to get beyond that. Let's forget about the past."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07005/751444-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-05-2007, 09:51 AM
Lemieux 'optimistic' after talks; arena deal may come next week

By Andrew Conte and Rob Rossi
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, January 5, 2007


Penguins owner Mario Lemieux emerged optimistic Thursday from a long-anticipated meeting with top public officials who want to keep the National Hockey League franchise in Pittsburgh.

"I'm optimistic with the meeting we had today with the politicians here in town that were willing to step up and talk about some issues that were a big concern of (ours) going back seven years," Lemieux said after the 75-minute session at the State Office Building, Downtown.

"I can say that it was a very positive meeting."

Talks between the Penguins owners, Lemieux and billionaire investor Ron Burkle, and Gov. Ed Rendell, county Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl went so well there could be a deal as soon as next week, sources said.

The meeting was the first since the Penguins' partner, Isle of Capri Casinos, lost a bid to operate the city's sole slots parlor. Isle of Capri promised to pay $290 million for a new Uptown arena.

The state Gaming Control Board selected Majestic Star Casino, of Detroit, which will build a slots parlor on the North Shore. The company has promised to pay $7.5 million annually for 30 years to help finance a new arena.

A day after the Dec. 20 award, Lemieux vowed to shop the team and possibly relocate to another city. The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June.

The meeting was held a day after Lemieux and Burkle returned from Kansas City, where they toured the new Sprint Center and discussed a deal to move the team there.

Lemieux said he had a positive meeting in Kansas City but remains optimistic about keeping the Penguins in Pittsburgh. Government officials involved in the talks said Lemieux and Burkle seemed sincere about trying to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

Reaching an agreement hinges on addressing the owners' concerns, which include covering significant losses the team has incurred during the past three years.

Rendell said the Penguins need an answer within 30 days.

Officials have offered the Penguins a so-called "Plan B" proposal that includes $14.5 million a year in gambling money for an arena. But the deal also calls for the team to pay $8.5 million upfront and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.16 million a year in naming rights.

Rendell and Onorato have emphasized the Plan B offer is a starting point.

Rendell said yesterday the state could do better than that -- but stopped short of offering the Penguins a free arena. Public officials would weigh the Penguins' ability to pay for an arena, he said, based on team officials' claims of "significant losses."

"We're going to assess the Penguins' position, but there can't be a free arena," Rendell said.

Late Wednesday and early yesterday, Lemieux and Burkle met in Kansas City with officials from AEG, a subsidiary of Anschutz Co., which operates the Sprint Center. The building would be ready to host an NHL game by Oct. 15.

Tim Leiweke, president of AEG, said the Penguins would pay no rent and would not be responsible for any construction costs. But the team would get only half of the revenues from the arena, unless it invested $27 million in the deal, the Kansas City Star reported.

"There is a perception that there is a check they have to write to come to Kansas City," Leiweke said. "That's not true. There's no check. And there's no rent."

The Penguins are not using Kansas City just as leverage to sweeten an arena offer in Pittsburgh, Leiweke said, adding that as far as he knows the team is not visiting any other cities.

Hartford, Conn., Oklahoma City, Las Vegas and Winnipeg, Ontario, are believed to be interested in trying to attract the Penguins.

But public officials in Pittsburgh welcomed the news out of Kansas City, saying they felt they could make a deal that meets -- or exceeds -- any other offer.

"When you factor in the tremendous fan base we have here and the fact that hockey has failed in Kansas City, I think we will beat it," Rendell said.

Onorato said the government leaders were willing to negotiate on any proposal that would keep the team in Pittsburgh -- even if that means offering the Penguins a free arena and holding back some arena revenues to pay down the debt. Onorato has ruled out the use of local tax money to finance a new building.

Pittsburgh has the advantage of being able to offer the Penguins all the money a new arena would generate, Onorato said.

Those items could be worth as much as $20 million a year, estimates the Allegheny Institute for Public Policy, a Castle Shannon think tank. That would be "far more than enough" to cover the team's annual contribution for the arena, it said.

"None of that has been pledged, yet, for debt service, so it's all available," Onorato said. "That puts us in a good position because you don't know what the other cities are doing with revenues. Have they pledged them already? Are they part of the deal? Ours are all for negotiation. It's all on the table right now."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_487121.html

83-Steelers-43
01-05-2007, 10:23 AM
On the ice talk....

It's going to be a tough one tonight. Playing Buffalo in Buffalo. Lost our last seven against the Sabres. Oddly enough given their record, the Sabres PP is only ranked 17th in the league at 17 percent and their PK is 15th at 82.7 percent.

Personal preference tonight....It would be nice to see Therrien throw Christensen up on the first line. He's tried everybody else on that line, why not try the kid who is scoring goals and setting up players who can't put it away (Ouellet the other night)?

Mark Eaton Update:

Defenseman Mark Eaton has been skating nearly every day since he had pins surgically removed from his dislocated left wrist late last month. He is regaining the strength and range of motion in that hand with exercises such as bending objects and crumpling newspapers, but "never the sports section," he said. He has no timetable for returning to the lineup.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07005/751461-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-05-2007, 10:28 PM
Pens beat the Sabres 4-2. Wow. Huge win for the Pens.

X-Terminator
01-05-2007, 10:34 PM
Maybe I should keep missing the first 2 periods of the games :thumbsup:

SteelCityMan786
01-05-2007, 10:56 PM
That sounds good. Tell your cable company to shut off FSN at your house until the 3rd period.haha jk.

83-Steelers-43
01-07-2007, 05:20 PM
Big game tonight SCM. Next three teams give us fits (this game and the dreaded Florida campaign). The Bolts have beaten us nine consecutive times. Hopefully we bring our 5 on 5 game tonight because the Bolts are the least penalized team in the NHL. They are also ranked 3rd in the league for fewest shots allowed.

Hopefully tonight's a different story compared to our last nine meetings against the Bolts.

LET'S GO PENS!!!!

steelerbackr4life
01-07-2007, 09:11 PM
Sid just laid out and buried the biscuit to end the 2nd period huge goal! That was one sweet play!

X-Terminator
01-08-2007, 12:06 AM
Can we just decline the shootout? The Pens simply do not and cannot win them! All that hard work to tie the game and kill a penalty in OT...all for naught. I can understand why so many people hate the shootout.

83-Steelers-43
01-08-2007, 06:56 AM
Sid just laid out and buried the biscuit to end the 2nd period huge goal! That was one sweet play!

I'm happy to say I caught that one in person last night. Did we get the two points? No. But at least we grabbed a point from the Bolts. Still keeps us in third in the division. On to Florida.

Clip of "The Goal": http://flashplayer.streamos.com/flvplayer.php?url=http://boss.streamos.com/flash/penguins/video/010707_tb_crosby512k_penguins.flv

HometownGal
01-08-2007, 08:55 AM
Can we just decline the shootout? The Pens simply do not and cannot win them! All that hard work to tie the game and kill a penalty in OT...all for naught. I can understand why so many people hate the shootout.

Hey, XT - I'm not going to complain - the Pens got a point and you and I got to personally witness one of the most phenomenal goals we've ever seen by Sid. We seem to always have a rough time with the Lightning - they take away the middle on us and force us to the boards. The Pens know that style of play well. :wink02: Though I would have preferred a win, I'll take the point and look forward to the game in Florida.

83-Steelers-43
01-08-2007, 09:08 AM
Big crowd

Last night's game drew 17,132, the 13th Mellon Arena sellout of the season, surpassing the 12 capacity crowds the Penguins had last season. It was the sixth sellout in a row and the 10th in the team's past 12 home games.

The Penguins were 3-2 in the previous five home sellouts.

Good luck getting that in Kansas City.........

83-Steelers-43
01-08-2007, 09:09 AM
Eaton Update:

• Defenseman Mark Eaton has been skating with the team and doing exercises to strengthen his left wrist, but he still has no timetable for his return to the lineup.

"There's no target date, just going through my therapy and getting tested every week," Eaton said. "As soon as the doctor feels it's safe for me to return and not risk doing the same thing again, it's his call."

Eaton was injured Nov. 4 and had surgery three days later. He said this is the longest layoff of his career.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_487501.html

X-Terminator
01-08-2007, 10:09 PM
Hey, XT - I'm not going to complain - the Pens got a point and you and I got to personally witness one of the most phenomenal goals we've ever seen by Sid. We seem to always have a rough time with the Lightning - they take away the middle on us and force us to the boards. The Pens know that style of play well. :wink02: Though I would have preferred a win, I'll take the point and look forward to the game in Florida.

That goal by Sid was awesome, no doubt! The kid is just amazing and never, ever gives up on a play and works his tail off on every shift, even on his rare off-nights. How many superstars can you say that about? But don't get me wrong, I am very happy with the point we got and we stayed ahead of Tampa in the playoff race, but I would just like to be able to beat them - 10 straight losses is just insane. They are a very difficult team to play against when they are on, they indeed do take away the middle of the ice very well which is why they give up the fewest shots in the league. So in order to beat a team like that, you have to dump the puck in, forecheck hard and work the play down low and along the wall - they do not do well against aggressive forechecking teams. Hopefully the Pens can break through tomorrow night and beat them in Tampa - it would be a huge win for them.

steelerbackr4life
01-08-2007, 10:17 PM
I'm happy to say I caught that one in person last night. Did we get the two points? No. But at least we grabbed a point from the Bolts. Still keeps us in third in the division. On to Florida.

Clip of "The Goal": http://flashplayer.streamos.com/flvplayer.php?url=http://boss.streamos.com/flash/penguins/video/010707_tb_crosby512k_penguins.flv

A little bit too far of a drive for me to make it into work the next day. I did catch the Pens when they were in Philly and watched Sid score a hat trick with 20 of my friends from a luxury suite right behind the net.

83-Steelers-43
01-09-2007, 10:12 AM
Arena 'Plan C' offers Penguins profits
Peduto proposal would allow team to share in Mellon Arena site, Lower Hill development
Tuesday, January 09, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

State and local politicians should go beyond Plan B to offer the Penguins something other cities can't -- a share of the profits in the redevelopment of the Mellon Arena site, city Councilman Bill Peduto says.

The land would be available for development if a new arena is built across the street, as proposed by the city and county. Detroit businessman Don Barden already has promised a $350 million redevelopment of the lower Hill District, including the Mellon Arena property, as part of his winning casino bid.

But Mr. Peduto, a likely mayoral candidate, said local and state officials, in conjunction with Mr. Barden, should offer the Penguins a chance to partner in the redevelopment and share in the profits as part of the negotiations to keep the team from moving elsewhere.

"This is the perfect opportunity for Barden, the Penguins, the city, the county and the state to partner together," he said. "It's a great way to keep the team in Pittsburgh, redevelop the Hill, get Barden more involved in the community, and lessen the impact on taxpayers."

As part of negotiations to build a new arena for the team, Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato are offering to give the Penguins most, if not all, of the revenues generated by the facility.

Adding potential redevelopment profits to the mix could be a difference maker that cities like Kansas City, which is making a strong bid for the team, would be unable to match, Mr. Peduto said.

"I'm saying scrap Plan B and create Plan C," he said.

He said the arrangement would be similar to that negotiated with the Pirates and the Steelers to redevelop land between PNC Park and Heinz Field. Both teams get a piece of revenues from the redevelopment, which is being led by Continental Real Estate Cos.

Mr. Peduto said he has offered his assistance to the Penguins but has not spoken to either Mr. Ravenstahl or Mr. Onorato.

The Plan B formula for funding a new arena calls for a contribution of $7.5 million a year for 30 years from Mr. Barden, who is building his casino on the North Shore; $7 million a year for 30 years from a slots-financed state economic development fund; and about $4 million a year from the Penguins, including $1.16 million annually in naming rights, plus an upfront payment of $8.5 million.

State and local officials presented a somewhat sweetened version during a meeting with team owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle last week in an effort to prevent a move to Kansas City, where officials have offered a rent-free arena that is scheduled to open in October.

The Penguins have set a 30-day deadline for deciding whether to stay in Pittsburgh or to relocate.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07009/752282-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-09-2007, 09:59 PM
Tough loss tonight. This is one team we have troubles with. Breaking news here, every team has one. Tampa seems to be ours. The sad part, we play them hard every time we play them. Oh well, bring on the Panthers.

On that note, somebody wake me when Ouellet scores. Petrovicky get's the ice time and spends the majority of it in the box (which costed us tonight). It's bad enough I have to watch Ouellet suck ass night after night......................after night.

83-Steelers-43
01-09-2007, 10:09 PM
CROSBY TO START FOR EASTERN CONFERENCE ALL-STAR TEAM
by Joe Sager
pittsburghpenguins.com
01/09/2007

Sidney Crosby is an all-star – officially.

The Pittsburgh Penguins’ 19-year-old center led all vote-getters (825,783) in NHL All-Star Game fan balloting. He will start in the Jan. 24 game in Dallas.

At 19 years, five months, Crosby is the youngest player voted to start the All-Star Game since fan balloting began in 1986. The youngest starter previously was the Penguins’ Jaromir Jagr, elected to the Prince of Wales Conference lineup for the 1992 All-Star Game in Philadelphia (19 years, 11 months).

Crosby leads the NHL in points with 65 (21+44) in 38 games. He will be joined in the Eastern Conference starting lineup by Buffalo’s Daniel Briere and Washington’s Alexander Ovechkin. On defense, Buffalo’s Brian Campbell and Montreal’s Sheldon Souray will start as will Buffalo’s Ryan Miller in goal.

For the Western Conference, Colorado’s Joe Sakic joins San Jose’s Jonathan Cheechoo and Joe Thornton up front with Detroit’s Nicklas Lidstrom and Anaheim’s Scott Niedermayer on defense with Vancouver’s Roberto Luongo in goal.

The rest of the Eastern and Western Conference all-star rosters will be announced Saturday.

http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/features/arts/2258.0.php

X-Terminator
01-10-2007, 12:13 AM
Here we go again...win 3, lose 2. ARRRGGGGHHH!!! This team is SO damn frustrating!

HometownGal
01-10-2007, 09:33 AM
Here we go again...win 3, lose 2. ARRRGGGGHHH!!! This team is SO damn frustrating!

Look on the bright side, XT - they're not as frustrating as the Pirates - LOL! :sofunny: I think for a young team, they're holding their own and I really can't complain.

83-Steelers-43
01-10-2007, 10:08 AM
Despite loss at Tampa Bay, midseason points total reflects significant improvement
Wednesday, January 10, 2007

By Shelly Anderson
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

TAMPA, Fla. -- The Penguins struggle to beat Tampa Bay. Their 3-2 loss to the Lightning last night at the St. Pete Times Forum was their 11th in a row against that team, dating to Jan. 17, 2003.

Against the rest of the NHL, though, the Penguins aren't half bad. At least, that's the case if you look at the first 41 games of the 2005-06 season compared with the first half of this season.

Even with the loss in their 41st game -- the result of a goal and two assists from Martin St. Louis, a goal and an assist from Vincent Lecavalier and 29 saves by Johan Holmqvist -- the Penguins' 18-16-7 record and 43 points are considerably better than the numbers from a year ago, when the team entered the second half of the season 11-21-9 for 31 points. That's a 39 percent improvement in points and leaves the Penguins tied for second in the NHL for the biggest improvement at the halfway point. Their 12-point increase ties them with Atlanta behind Anaheim, which improved by 19 points.

"We want to be in the playoffs after the next 41, so we'll see where it brings us," said center Sidney Crosby, who had his only point of the game with an unassisted goal in the first minute.

Their 43 first-half points projects to 86 if they can do equally as well in the second half. That would be a 28-point improvement over the 58 points they earned last season, when they finished second-to-last in the league.

"If you look at the big picture, we've got to be satisfied with the increase," Penguins coach Michel Therrien said. "We want to make sure we maintain that."

The Penguins' second half starts tonight at Florida.

In 2005-06, they had 11 wins in the second half, the same number as the first half, but fewer points, 27 -- although they went 4-4-2 in their final 10 games.

They will face Tampa Bay just once in the second half.

The game last night was played at two speeds -- normal and, when the top line for each team was playing, overdrive.

"It was sort of a game of momentum, and we could never grab it for a long period of time," center Erik Christensen said. "We're very young, and to make the sort of progress we've made so far is very big. We're not winning as many games as we think we should or we'd like to, but it's building experience."

Despite playing on just a half-inch of less-than-ideal ice that was made after a visit by a circus, the Penguins' trio of Crosby, Mark Recchi and Evgeni Malkin and Tampa Bay's line of center Lecavalier, St. Louis and Vaclav Prospal heated things up when they played -- and they faced each other all night.

Crosby got the Penguins off to a fast start with a goal on the first shift to push his league-leading point total to 65.

He wrestled the puck from Tampa Bay defenseman Dan Boyle in the slot, slid to one knee as he continued toward Holmqvist, and swept the puck under the goaltender 24 seconds into the first period. It was the Penguins' fastest goal this season and the fastest since Dec. 3, 2003, when Matt Bradley scored 20 seconds into a 5-2 loss at Philadelphia. But the quick goal was their only one until Colby Armstrong scored late in the third period.

Lecavalier got his 24th at 6:11. Prospal, set up along the right-wing boards, fed Lecavalier, who redirected the puck past Penguins goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury from the near edge of the crease for a 1-1 tie.

The Lightning took a 2-1 lead with a power-play goal at 6:26 of the second. St. Louis' shot from a nearly impossible angle along the goal line to the left of Fleury bounced in off the inside of Fleury's far leg pad. It was St. Louis' 27th goal.

St. Louis got his third point when he set up Andreas Karlsson at the right corner of the crease in the third period. Karlsson brought the puck with him around the top of the crease, hesitated, and slipped a shot in off of Fleury's outstretched leg to make it 3-1 at 3:15.

The Penguins got a four-minute power play when Paul Ranger cut Christensen in the face for a high-sticking double-minor, but Holmqvist stopped the four shots he faced.

"Our forwards are doing not such a good job producing. We're relying on one line. When you get one goal every four games from the other three lines, that's not normal," said Therrien, who delivered that message to his team during the second intermission.

"They reacted a little bit," he said.

Armstrong pulled the Penguins to within 3-2 at 17:19 of the third when he deflected in a shot from the point by Brooks Orpik that glanced off of the Penguins' Jarkko Ruutu on its way to Armstrong.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07010/752583-61.stm

clevestinks
01-10-2007, 05:06 PM
This team must stay, they have so much potential and for along time

steelerbackr4life
01-10-2007, 08:41 PM
I agree they arent that far away from becoming a dominant force in the NHL. A little better positioning in front of their own net and that game easily could have gone 2-0 in favor of the Pens

83-Steelers-43
01-10-2007, 09:20 PM
Pens Might Get Sweeter Deal In Pittsburgh

Andy Sheehan
Reporting

(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Will the Penguins stay or go?

Ask anyone directly involved in the talks and you?ll get the same answer.

?We're not negotiating in the media. Negotiations are going and I remain cautiously optimistic that we can get a deal at the end of the day,? said Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato.

But KDKA?s Andy Sheehan has learned there?s a growing reason for that optimism. Namely, the Pittsburgh offer is competitive with Kansas City?s, if not better, in many regards.

It?s something Gov. Ed Rendell alluded to before the meeting with Pens owners last week.

?You have to look a little behind the details of the Kansas City offer. We think our offer is very competitive,? he said.

Unlike Pittsburgh, Kansas City would provide the Pens an arena with no rent and no money up front.

But on closer inspection, the Pens would get a much smaller percentage of the revenues from the so-called Sprint Center than they would get from a new arena here.

And Pittsburgh is seen as a much stronger entertainment town than Kansas City, which means an arena here would generate more money from non-hockey events like concerts, and the Pens would get a big share of that take.

Perhaps, Kansas City arena officials were being honest when they said they expected the Pens would probably stay put.

?So we understand that this is Pittsburgh?s to lose,? said Tim Leiweke, from AEG Corporation.

Still, Kansas City?s Sprint Center would seem to have one strong advantage in that it?s almost ready to open its doors, while the Pens would need to play in the antiquated Mellon arena for possibly three more years while a new arena is under construction.

To make that more acceptable, sources tell KDKA?s Andy Sheehan local officials have offered the Pens a very favorable lease extension at Mellon Arena that would guarantee them profitability.

Add to that the fact the league doesn?t want the Pens to move and that they would need league approval to do so, you might sense that an arena deal stands a very good chance of getting done.

Sources say if things proceed as they are going, Pittsburgh officials and the Pens will soon begin negotiating a new lease.

That would involve the splitting of concessions, parking, advertising and signage.

Sources say those talks should only take a week or two and then it?ll be known if the Pens stay and if a new arena will be built.

X-Terminator
01-10-2007, 09:50 PM
Well, win 3, lose 3...typical inconsistent Pens. Hopefully things will be better in Philadelphia on Saturday afternoon.

83-Steelers-43
01-10-2007, 10:22 PM
As expected, struggled in the sunshine state. No surprise there. On to Philly to turn it around.

Prosdo
01-11-2007, 04:55 AM
That article sounds very good. Tough games for the Pens past few days. Time to go on a winning streak.

83-Steelers-43
01-12-2007, 10:00 AM
Penguins recall defenseman Welch
By Karen Price
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, January 12, 2007


SUNRISE, Fla. - Penguins defenseman Josef Melichar returned to Pittsburgh on Thursday to have his injured leg examined by doctors.

With Melichar away from the team, the Penguins recalled defenseman Noah Welch from Wilkes-Barre/Scranton of the American Hockey League.

Melichar was injured late in the second period of Wednesday's 5-2 loss to the Florida Panthers and didn't return. He has played in all 42 games with the Penguins this season, with one goal and seven assists.

Welch, 24, has recorded five goals and 12 assists in 18 games this season with the AHL Penguins and was recently voted as a starter for PlanetUSA in that league's All-Star Game. It was the second consecutive season that Welch was selected to start in the event.

Welch has appeared in 18 games with the NHL Penguins this season, recording one goal and one assist.

83-Steelers-43
01-12-2007, 10:01 AM
Oklahoma City drops pursuit of Penguins
By Andrew Conte and Rob Rossi
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, January 12, 2007


Oklahoma City officials have decided not to seek the Penguins for the Ford Center.

Brad Lund, CEO of Express Sports, which operates the arena, said officials couldn't meet the Penguins' timetable of 30 days to either work out an agreement for a new arena in Pittsburgh or relocate.

Team owners Mario Lemieux and Ronald Burkle toured Kansas City's new Sprint Center arena last week.

"We cannot compete aggressively for the Penguins the way (Pennsylvania) and Kansas City are going about it," Lund said.

Ford Center, which opened in 2003, serves as part-time home to the NBA's New Orleans Hornets. Express Sports intends to focus on trying to get a permanent NBA franchise, Lund said.

Meanwhile, a Kansas City television station reported Thursday that other professional teams -- possibly NBA's Los Angeles Clippers basketball and two other teams -- are looking at relocating to the Sprint Center, operated by AEG.

"We are not going to count on Pittsburgh to solve our problems here," Tim Leiweke, president of AEG, told KMBC-TV.

83-Steelers-43
01-12-2007, 04:17 PM
Seems like the news just keeps getting better and better........:banana:

Penguins' lease can be rent free next season
Other revenues also available if team exercises extension here
Friday, January 12, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins won't have to skate off to Kansas City to play in a rent-free arena next season. They can get the same deal at Mellon Arena.

Lost in the discussion over Plan B is that the Penguins can exercise a short-term lease extension for Mellon Arena this summer that would give them more control over building revenues without paying any rent, perhaps while a new facility is constructed.

Under the proposed extension, the Penguins would become master tenants of the arena in place of SMG, a property management group that specializes in running publicly owned facilities. SMG would become building manager.

With the change, the Penguins would stop paying rent to SMG, estimated at close to $2 million a year, and would have greater access to such building revenues as concessions and parking, for both hockey and non-hockey events. Those could generate close to $20 million in gross revenues annually.

But there are costs associated with such an extension as well, including a $5 million payment due to SMG when the switch is made. The Penguins also would pay SMG to manage the arena at an amount to be determined.

The arena management changes, negotiated as part of the team's 1999 bankruptcy filing, could give the Penguins interim relief during construction of a new arena, which won't be finished until at least 2009, assuming the franchise can reach a deal with state and local officials over funding.

They also could serve as the framework for a long-term lease for the Penguins in a new building. With gambling proceeds financing the lion's share of the construction, state and local officials have said they have the ability to offer the team virtually all arena revenues.

The Penguins have until next month to exercise a proposed one-year lease extension, but it's unlikely that they will sign on unless they have reached a deal with Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato on funding for a new arena.

The extension would kick in at the end of June, at the same time the team's current lease expires, leaving the franchise free to move elsewhere.

Mellon Arena is the oldest venue in the National Hockey League, and the Penguins have long insisted that they need a new home if they are to stay competitive with other franchises.

Marc Ganis, president of Sportscorp Ltd., a Chicago sports business consulting firm, said a Mellon Arena lease extension, even under more favorable terms, would work "only on an interim basis."

Even if the team is getting all of the arena revenue, it's "still playing catch-up" compared to clubs in newer, bigger facilities that generate more revenue.

"[An extension works] only as an interim step and only if they have a new arena deal or expect a new arena deal shortly. It is not something you would look at on a long-term basis, just as a bridge," he said.

Although the Penguins wouldn't have to pay rent in the switch with SMG and would get most arena revenues, including parking, they would be responsible for the building's operating costs, which is not unusual for teams that have control over money streams.

As part of the deal negotiated in the 1999 bankruptcy, the Penguins also would have to make the $5 million lump sum payment to compensate SMG for building assets and for the change in management. SMG originally was to serve as master tenant until 2012.

The $5 million payment would be in addition to a management fee paid to SMG. The amount is not known but is believed to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The $5 million payment also may have to be accounted for in some fashion in the negotiations on a new arena. Even if a deal is reached, the Penguins still would have to play in Mellon Arena for at least two more seasons and most likely would want building revenues and the same rent-free offer they have from Kansas City, which opens the $276 million Sprint Center in October.

Neither the Penguins nor SMG would comment about a possible extension on the arena lease. Mr. Onorato also wouldn't talk about a possible extension yesterday, saying through a spokesman the issue is related to the Plan B negotiations on which he has not been commenting.

State and local officials have been working diligently to put together a deal under Plan B after a meeting last week between Mr. Onorato, Mr. Rendell and Mr. Ravenstahl and Penguins owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle.

They would like to reach an agreement before the end of next week. The Penguins have said they want to make a decision by early February between Pittsburgh and Kansas City.

Under the original Plan B, the Penguins were required to make an upfront payment of $8.5 million and contribute $4 million a year, including $1.16 million annually in naming rights, toward the construction.

However, state and local leaders presented a somewhat sweetened version last week. Although the exact details aren't known, the Penguins' annual contribution likely will end up closer to $2.9 million, the same the Pirates paid toward PNC Park.

The $8.5 million payment may be accounted for in the sale of the old St. Francis Central Hospital on Centre Avenue to the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, which needs it as part of the new arena site. The Penguins purchased the property for $8 million.

Mr. Ganis sees the Penguins remaining in Pittsburgh, assuming they can reach an arena deal with very little capital costs to the team and decent revenue streams.

Despite the much heralded rent-free offer in Kansas City, Mr. Ganis views it as an "above average deal and that's it. The reason for that is it's not a great market.

"As it stands right now, I don't see it as a great relocation opportunity other than a building being under construction right now. But it's a thoroughly mediocre market," he said.

Another factor that could work against Kansas City is that naming rights already have been accounted for and flow to Anschutz Entertainment Group. The Penguins would have the ability to cut their own deal in Pittsburgh, one likely to generate at least $2 million a year for the team.

Prudential announced this week it would pay $105.3 million over 20 years to put its name on the New Jersey Devils' new arena, although no one expects a bid that high for the Pittsburgh rights.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07012/753298-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 07:42 AM
Melichar out 3-4 weeks; Welch steps in: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07013/753593-61.stm

X-Terminator
01-13-2007, 08:50 AM
Is it wrong to be happy that Melichar is hurt? He's been completely useless ever since he came into the league.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 09:18 AM
That article sounds very good. Tough games for the Pens past few days. Time to go on a winning streak.

Yep. I've always gone with the glass is half full type of attitude when it comes to this situation, but the more and more I've been reading/hearing over these past two weeks the more optimistic I'm becoming. It's been nothing but good news for the most part. Keep your fingers crossed Prosdo. :wink02:

As for the tough games. It's been a rough week (expected in my opinion), but I'm confident that this team will bounce back and ring off a couple of wins against the Flyers, Isles, Bruins and Leafs. With the future return of Eaton and a possible trade(s) before the deadline, I'm confident that we will finish the season strong and hopefully make the playoffs.

We still have 40 more games. Gotta keep the faith! :thumbsup:

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm liking the no rent plans for Pittsburgh. Making it tougher for Kansas City to woo the Penguins. Well now Oklahoma City drops out. Another well done job.

skidboot
01-13-2007, 11:49 AM
As for the tough games. It's been a rough week (expected in my opinion), but I'm confident that this team will bounce back and ring off a couple of wins against the Flyers, Isles, Bruins and Leafs.



why not take all 4?


:cheers:

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 12:33 PM
why not take all 4?


:cheers:

That's fine by me. The Isles tend to play us hard.

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 01:07 PM
That's fine by me. The Isles tend to play us hard.

Why don't we beat up them Flyers first.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 02:11 PM
Why don't we beat up them Flyers first.

That is also fine by me. :thumbsup:

And on that note.............1-0 Flyers not even two minutes in.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 02:20 PM
1-1 (Gonchar finally). Guy is hot and cold.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 02:36 PM
2-1 Penguins (Malkin). Nice line change by Therrien. Took a tired Sid off and threw on Malkin during play. Nice.

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 03:21 PM
Time to see to open a can of WHOOP ASS now.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-13-2007, 03:32 PM
3-1 Pens. I'm watching the Pens and trying to get into hockey more. I used to watch Super Mario and Jagar back in the day. But havn't followed hockey much since the mid 90's.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 03:43 PM
3-3 now.

These f-ing morons on TV bash Ruutu (stating he's a disgrace to the league and shouldn't be in the league) but Forsberg has thrown two elbows (finally penalized for the second one thrown) and they praise the guy.

So it's funny when Forsberg plays like a goon but when Ruutu throws his weight around he shouldn't be in the league? That's bullshit.

This game is getting UGLY.

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 03:44 PM
Makes no sense to me.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 03:52 PM
The Pens better come out ready to play in this third period. Philly has all the momentum. This team still needs a fighter. We have Ruutu but it seems like he took up Buddhism over the Summer. None of our defenseman fight. Sid get's hit late and nobody comes in to help him. Ryan Whitney tip toes to the scuffle. Unbelievable.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 04:18 PM
Pens go up 4-3 with a helluva play from Malkin to Staal.

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 04:20 PM
Staal's goal was sweet.

83-Steelers-43
01-13-2007, 04:38 PM
Malkin with his second goal (empty net goal) to cap off a 5-3 Penguin victory.

SteelCityMan786
01-13-2007, 04:44 PM
Philly is suffering Part 1 of 2 in the Black And Gold Dominiation Day.

83-Steelers-43
01-14-2007, 12:19 AM
News and updates

NHL All-Star rosters: http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=287354

Sidney Crosby is the only Penguin who made the All-Star roster. Malkin, Staal and Whitney made the YoungStars roster.

Eaton might return soon

Penguins defenseman Mark Eaton, out since Nov. 4 with a dislocated left wrist that required surgery, hopes to receive clearance to resume practicing with his teammates after his injury is X-rayed, examined and evaluated tomorrow.

If all goes well, he said, he'll have a "realistic shot" at realizing his goal of returning to the lineup when the Penguins visit Dallas and Phoenix immediately after the All-Star break.

"That would be what I'm shooting for," he said. "I hope to be ready by then."

Eaton's defensive work and penalty-killing were major factors in the Penguins' 7-3 start, and his steady, reliable play helped Gonchar, a chronic slow starter, have a productive October.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07014/753726-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-14-2007, 12:26 AM
It's about time.....

Filewich catches Shero's eye

Forty-three games into the season, Mark Recchi, who got his 11th goal yesterday, remains the only Penguins winger to hit double figures, and the lack of offensive support for guys such as Crosby and Malkin remains one of the team's most obvious shortcomings.

And while they don't have a big-time goal-scorer anywhere in their organization outside of the NHL, right winger Jonathan Filewich's production -- 16 goals and 17 assists in 37 games with the Penguins' Wilkes-Barre minor-league team before it played at Grand Rapids last night -- might earn him a look from management.

Shero suggested yesterday that, while there are no immediate plans to recall Filewich, it isn't out of the question at some point, either.

"I saw Filewich play last weekend," he said.

"He's done a good job. He's having a good year. At the proper time, I think he'll get a look, whether it's soon or later."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07014/753726-61.stm

:hope:

SteelCityMan786
01-14-2007, 12:04 PM
I like seeing that crosby made it in the All Star Game. He deserves every vote.

X-Terminator
01-15-2007, 01:16 AM
I haven't seen enough of Filewich to really make a determination; however I am skeptical about any player who is a great AHL scorer. Putting up points in the AHL doesn't mean you can produce at that level in the NHL. Just ask Michel Ouellet.

83-Steelers-43
01-15-2007, 09:41 AM
There's always reason for some skepticism when a player comes up from the AHL to the NHL level. But at this point in time it can't hurt nor can it be any worse than watching Ouellet whiff on the puck once a game, Armstrong miss the net on at least one good opportunity a game, Malone being nonexistant, Talbot not scoring, Ruutu not scoring and Moore not scoring. Granted, some of the players I mentioned are "role players", but that doesn't mean they should give up on goal scoring all together and not chip one in from time to time.

To Mr. Shero....

Bring the kid up and see what he can bring to the table. If he struggles at NHL level at least he got some experience. The world as we know it won't end if the move is made.

83-Steelers-43
01-15-2007, 10:23 AM
Trade Rumor:

I was watching the Nightly Sports Call with Bob Pompeani. He stated that there is a rumor going around that the Penguins are looking to trade Ryan Malone (maybe Orpik) for Petr Prucha who has 10 goals and 9 assists this season.

There is also a link to the rumor: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/nyr070114.html

Great news:

Pompeani also stated that he heard from very good authority that the Penguins are staying and that a deal is imminent and that there will be something in a week to ten days. He went on to state that a press conference announcing the deal and construction plans will be announced in the not so distant future.

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2007, 05:31 AM
Eaton back at practice, targets Jan. 26 for return
Tuesday, January 16, 2007

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


When Penguins defenseman Mark Eaton went to have his surgically repaired wrist examined yesterday, he was hoping to get clearance to resume practicing with his teammates.

He did.

And he didn't wait for any of the medical professionals to have a change of heart.

Eaton joined the Penguins for a late-morning workout at Mellon Arena and got through the session with no apparent problem.

"I'm optimistic," he said. "My skating legs felt good, the wrist felt good. Now, it's just a matter of timing and getting a feel for the speed of the game again."

Eaton's left wrist was dislocated Nov. 4 when San Jose's Jonathan Cheechoo knocked him into the boards with a hit from behind. He has targeted the Penguins' game Jan. 26 in Dallas or one in Phoenix the next night for his return to the lineup. His doctors have no objection to that timetable, he said.

"They said, basically, from here on out, it's up to me, the trainers and the coaches," Eaton said. "It's up to me to relate how it feels, the trainers will keep stretching it and then ... obviously, the coaches have the final say on when they think I'm ready to play."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07016/754061-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2007, 05:33 AM
Pens' Malone warned of potential trade
By Keith Barnes
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, January 16, 2007


Penguins general manager Ray Shero meets informally with members of the team all the time. But his sit-down discussion Monday with forward Ryan Malone had a bit more urgency than most of his recent talks with the club.

The talk centered on a rumored trade involving the 26-year-old forward.

Sunday, the New York Post reported a possible deal that would send Malone and, potentially, defenseman Brooks Orpik to the New York Rangers in a package deal including forward Petr Prucha.

"Ray brought me in and warned me about that one," Malone said. "I've been hearing (trade rumors) all year, but I had a good talk with Ray."

Malone, who missed 18 games with a broken left forearm, has struggled throughout much of the season. He has five goals and 10 points in 25 games, including his first career hat trick Dec. 15 in a 7-4 win over the New York Islanders. During Saturday's 5-3 win in Philadelphia, Malone skated on a line with Mark Recchi and Sidney Crosby.

Prucha was an eighth-round pick by the Rangers in 2002 and played several years in his native Czech Republic before making his NHL debut last season. He scored 30 goals and 47 points as a rookie, but his production has slipped this season to 10 goals and 19 points, good for seventh on the team. He has a minus-12 rating in 44 games and is projected as only a second- or third-line player, which has prompted Rangers general manager Glen Sather to pursue potential suitors.

"(Shero) kind of told me that he talked to Glen, obviously, and that teams were asking about me," Malone said. "He said he's not looking to trade me, but it's part of the business and that's just the way it goes. I'm kind of struggling or whatever, and I don't think I'm playing up to my potential right now."

Shero has not pulled the trigger on any major deals this season. In the only trade of note, the team acquired defenseman Wade Brookbank from Boston for future considerations Dec. 19 and sent him directly to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton of the American Hockey League.

"Obviously, there haven't been that many trades in particular, but you're always talking to teams, so let's be realistic. That's how things get started, and it's with every team, not just Pittsburgh, and that's the way the thing is," Shero said. "I don't want to respond to everything that's in the paper or any rumor, and that's part of the business and part of being an athlete no matter what sport you're in, so that's the way it goes."

Which is also the reason Shero and Malone sat down.

"I didn't have to (meet with Malone), but I think it's important to do that," Shero said. "Let's be realistic, there's a lot of guys on any team that are tradable, and I told Ryan that, throughout his career, even before I got here, his name has been out there for the simple reason that teams are intrigued by him, and I told him I'm intrigued by him, too."

Despite the recent slip in production, Malone warrants attention because of a 6-foot-4, 216-pound frame that many teams covet. He also has the potential of being a high-impact power forward. He scored 22 goals in each of his first two professional seasons and was selected to the NHL's all-rookie team after the 2003-04 campaign.

Still, if the offer is sweet enough, Malone does not rank among the team's untouchables and could be dealt if the right offer comes along.

"I want him to do his thing here, but that could change tomorrow. I could call him in here and say you've been traded, but that's not what I'm looking to do at this point," Shero said. "I want him to be a good player here, but rumors are always going to be out there, that's how the business is, I understand that, but I wanted to talk with Ryan about it and it was a good talk."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_488732.html

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2007, 06:03 AM
With the additions of Cullen and Shanny, Prucha's playing time has been butchered. Compared to last season when he had 30 goals while missing 15 games, his ice time is down two minutes a game.

Room on the Rangers PP is pretty much stacked. The kid had 16 goals alone on the PP last year.

Clip of Petr Prucha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFJaYex3JhE

Few notes from that clip:

Kid can finish. Our wingers can't.

He's a RH shooter. It's getting tough watching our wingers catching well fed passes on the backhand.

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2007, 06:40 AM
Arena talks may continue soon
By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, January 16, 2007


Gov. Ed Rendell plans to meet with Penguins officials in Pittsburgh this week to discuss for a second time how to pay for a new Uptown arena, sources said Monday.

In town for a health care initiative Friday, Rendell is seeking to meet with the hockey team's owners either Thursday evening at the Sheraton Station Square Hotel or the next morning at the State Office Building, Downtown.

The meeting likely will include Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and team co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ronald Burkle. The timing of the meeting depends on everyone's schedules.

A Penguins spokesman declined to comment, as did Rendell's spokeswoman. Ravenstahl's spokesman Dick Skrinjar said he did not know of the meeting.

Onorato could not be reached yesterday, which was Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Rendell's original $290 million arena proposal, often called Plan B, included $14.5 million a year for 30 years in gambling money.

The Penguins would have paid $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.16 million a year in naming rights.

The latest version could include the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority paying $8.5 million to Lemieux's development group for the former St. Francis Hospital site, which Lemieux's group bought in 2001. The team could use that money for the arena down payment.

Onorato has hinted that public officials could drop the naming rights requirement as well.

Lemieux and Burkle last met Jan. 4 with state and local leaders in Pittsburgh. Coming out of the meeting, Lemieux said he felt "optimistic" about keeping the team here.

The team owners were in Kansas City earlier that day to talk about moving the Penguins to that city's new Sprint Center arena, set to open in October.

The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_488705.html

X-Terminator
01-16-2007, 06:57 AM
Eh, I think they could do better than Prucha. Sure, he has some offensive talent and scored a bunch of PP goals last year, but he's not a very good defensive player and tends to float quite a bit when he's out there, neither of which will sit well with Michel Therrien. Still though, we do need a RH shot on the PP, someone who can play in the slot and bang home passes from either Crosby or Malkin, so I would not be totally against the trade.

As for the arena talks, there has been so much information coming out that I don't know what to believe. All I hope is that at the end of it all, they get a deal done and the Pens stay here.

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2007, 07:01 AM
If the deal is Prucha for Malone I'd take it no questions asked. I'll take a bag of pucks and a few sticks over Malone at this point. Add a guy who is a RH shooter, a finisher and who netted 30 goals last season and it's a deal in my book. I'll take the scoring from a winger over anything at this point in time. Personally, I don't care if the guy pitches a tent behind the opposing goaltender while the puck is in our zone, just put the puck away when Sid sets you up. God knows somebody has to.....

If the deal is Prucha for Malone + Orpik I'd have to think about it. That's giving away a good bit for Prucha.

If the deal is Prucha + Hall for Malone + Orpik I'd have to think about it but I would probably take it at the end of the day. Hall's name was also thrown around in the package.

As for the arena. All I've been reading/hearing is good news. I'll take it over bad news and a moving truck parked in front of Mellon.

steelerbackr4life
01-16-2007, 10:24 PM
Just a little analysis on Crosbys 2 goals tonight. He has many sweet goals to date but imo the 2 he scored tonight were a compliment to the kids hockey sense and a feel for the game.

After a tight checking game in which the isles frustrated him and forced him to take a penalty. His next shift he came out and stayed out of the bs.

His first goal: While the Pens controlled play on the right side of the net he did not jump in and jam things up knowing he was being shadowed. He casually slid just off the post let the play develop and was there to slam the puck into the empty net. This for his young age is an extremely patient and veteran play.

His second goal: With what is known in the game as the worst lead in hockey (2 goals)Rechi skating down the off wing and knowing that he will most likely take a wrist shot (as did the 3 isles who skated towards Rechs and the goalie who rightfully played the shot) Crosby never stopped skating went to the open spot created by the over zealous defenseman and cashed in on another open net. This showed great awareness of his linemate and a work ethic to skate to the open spot even with a lead. So many times with someone who has that ability there is a natural tendency to coast in that situation. The effort by the kid to keep working on that play will go a long way with his teamates.

I think the kid took a big step tonight in cementing himself not just a phenom but also as a true team player with a sense for the game. Well done !
Just an observation from an old hockey player.