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HometownGal
06-29-2006, 03:01 PM
I just heard on KDKA News at 4 PM that long time Pens announcer, Mike Lange, has been fired by FSN. I'm in absolute shock right now. :shake01:

He was, however, offered a spot as a radio announcer but he hasn't made up his mind just yet if he will accept that offer.

A Pens game isn't a Pens game without Mike's infamous saying.....

"Elvis Has Just Left the Building".

BlackNGold203
06-29-2006, 03:03 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

*kicks the dog*


JESUS!!!!

Mike Lange????

One of the greatest play by play guys....EVER!!!!

WTF is happening in this world????

:dang: :dang: :dang: :dang: :dang:

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2006, 03:06 PM
Saw this coming. As I've stated in the past, I thought the guy lost his touch. Personally, I was getting tired of his ramblings during play and his lack of following the game. He had a great career here but I'm not exactly shocked nor upset to see him go. Paul Steigerwald is damn good and I am thrilled to have him in the booth from here on out.

Woohoo!!

Here's an actual link:

Lange fired as Penguins' TV announcer
Thursday, June 29, 2006

By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mike Lange, the popular voice of the Penguins for 30 seasons, has been fired as the team's television announcer by FSN Pittsburgh.

He will be replaced by Paul Steigerwald, once Lange's color analyst and more recently the team's radio play-by-play announcer.

Lange has been offered Steigerwald's job as radio announcer by the Penguins.

"I don't look at this as replacing Mike Lange," said Steigerwald. "He's irreplaceable.

"An opportunity arose and I'm going to take advantage of it. It's a chance for me to expand my horizons in my career. With the uncertainty surrounding the franchise, it's never a bad idea to put yourself in the best possible position."

Lange acknowledged the report of his firing was "on the money,"' but declined comment, saying "I'm waiting for a call."

He did not indicate whether he would accept the job as play-by-play announcer on radio.

Steve Tello, vice president and general manager of FSN Pittsburgh, said, "Mike has done a tremendous job over the years. We had a contractural option. We have looked at Steigerwald for some time and believe he brings a different and fresh set of eyes to a new team."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06180/702194-100.stm

SteelerDan43
06-29-2006, 03:10 PM
Are they trying to alienate the fans??????

BlackNGold203
06-29-2006, 03:12 PM
It was FSN...not the Penguins....

I havent enjoyed FSN for quite some time...this just breaks it for me....

HometownGal
06-29-2006, 03:13 PM
Saw this coming. As I've stated in the past, I thought the guy lost his touch. Personally, I was getting tired of his ramblings during play and his lack of following the game. He had a great career here but I'm not exactly shocked nor upset to see him go. Paul Steigerwald is damn good and I am thrilled to have him in the booth from here on out.

Woohoo!!



Thanks for the link, 83. I have to agree with you - he did lose his touch somewhat, but was still entertaining to a lot of the fans.

Scratch my back with a hacksaw! :cool:

BlackNGold203
06-29-2006, 03:20 PM
OK...Ive calmed down....LOL

God I love listening to Mike Lange....I hope he takes that radio job

HometownGal
06-29-2006, 03:32 PM
Some Lange-isms: :smile:

Book 'em Dano

Buy Sam a drink and get his dog one too

Call Arnold Slick from Turtle Creek.

Donna needs a donut

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll.

Get that dog off my lawn

Go ahead....Make My Day.

Great balls of fire.

Hallejulah Hollywood.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee shoots and scores.

He doesn't know whether to cry or wind his watch.

He's smiling like a butcher's dog.

How much fried chicken can you eat?

I'll be cow kicked.

Ladies and Gentleman, Elvis has just left the building.

Let's go hunt some moose on a Harley.

Look out Loretta.

Michael, Michael Motorcycle.

Never teach a pig to sing.

Oh no, Eddy Spaghetti.

Scratch my back with a hacksaw.

She wants to sell my monkey.

Stop the press.

You ain't nothin' but a hound dog

You would have to be here to believe it.

section514
06-29-2006, 03:37 PM
maybe they will give stan savran the job with Steigerwald. since stan got fired from AM970

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2006, 03:43 PM
maybe they will give stan savran the job with Steigerwald. since stan got fired from AM970

Steigerwald and Errey would be my guess....

Both will be a nice fit in my opinion. One is not going senial and both are actually critical of this team when they are playing bad and praise them when they are playing good. That's what I like to see.

Take care Mike. It was nice having you back in the day.

X-Terminator
06-29-2006, 06:25 PM
Wow, this is absolutely shocking. Yes, he has lost it a bit, but I still loved listening to Lange's play-by-play. I would have figured they would let the man resign rather than outright fire him, since he is a legend, but that's FSN for you. Steigerwald will do a good job as the new TV voice and I will enjoy listening to him as well...but he ain't Mike Lange.

I hope Mike takes the radio job just so I can still hear his voice. It would be a shame if he left altogether, but I wouldn't blame him if he did.

clevestinks
06-29-2006, 07:23 PM
What happen did he fall asleep during a game???

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2006, 07:24 PM
Steigerwald has already stated he does not expect to be Lange. It's not easy to replace a legend and nor do I want or expect Steigy to act or talk like Lange. He has his own style. But in my opinion (and obviously FSN's), when one is slipping you need to bring in new blood. While Lange's sayings were nice and different, they can only last so long before you say to yourself "where has the play-by-play gone?". Your getting paid to call the game and have the catch phrases secondary. Problem with Lange in my opinion....he still had the catch phrases, but the play-by-play slipped considerably.

I enjoyed Mike Lange just as much as the next Penguin fan, but he's definately going downhill in the booth. Maybe he will do better in radio but I would rather watch the game in the dark at this point. If he's smart, he will take the radio job. Everybody hates to see a legend leave and some see why it's understandable and that it's the right move at this point in time in Lange's career.

blackvelvet
06-29-2006, 07:30 PM
*mouth drops open, gum falls out*

this has to be a cruel joke of some sort.

83-Steelers-43
07-07-2006, 11:01 AM
Lange, Penguins ready to talk
Bargaining for return to radio play-by-play position is set for next week
Friday, July 07, 2006

By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mike Lange, fired last week as the television voice of the Penguins, will begin talks in a few days with the team involving the job as radio play-by-play announcer.

"There's really not a whole lot to report," Lange said. "We did talk to the Penguins [Wednesday] and set up a meeting for some time early next week."


FSN Pittsburgh, which holds the television rights to Penguins games, fired Lange last week and replaced him with Paul Steigerwald, who had been doing the team's games on radio. The Penguins immediately offered the radio job to Lange, although no specifics have been discussed.

Lange's name has been linked to a job with the Chicago Blackhawks, who are looking for a play-by-play announcer for their television games.

The Blackhawks do only road games, which means such a position would not necessarily involve Lange having to move from Pittsburgh, his longtime home.

Eddie Olczyk, former Penguins coach and before that a broadcast partner of Lange's, has been hired as the lead game analyst on NBC's NHL telecasts and as color analyst for television games by the Blackhawks.

Lange said he has not had much opportunity to explore other options.

"This decision sort of came out of nowhere, so it's going to take me a little while to figure all this out and see if there is anything out there and what to pursue," he said.

Lange has been involved with Penguins broadcasting for 30 years, most recently as the TV voice of the team. As rights holder, FSN hires, fires and pays the announcers. The Penguins control their radio rights and the announcers.

After difficult negotiations last summer, Lange signed a one-year deal, with FSN holding an option for the second year. FSN decided last week not to exercise that option.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 05:20 AM
Pens reject Cuban group
By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, July 22, 2006


It looks as if Mark Cuban and Dan Marino will not be buying the Pittsburgh Penguins after all.
Andrew Murstein, the New York City financier heading their group's bid for the hockey team, said the group increased its offer Friday, but it was rejected by the Penguins.

The group offered more than $170 million, as high as it intends to go, Murstein said.

"We increased our offer significantly, and it was not accepted," he said.

Penguins spokesman David Morehouse declined to comment on the ongoing sales process.

Five groups have bid on the Penguins, each offering more than $150 million. But it is believed that at least two of the groups have offered about $175 million.

The highest remaining bidder apparently is Sam Fingold, a Hartford, Conn., businessman who has talked about moving the team to Kansas City if Pittsburgh does not build an arena.

Larry Gottesdiener, a Massachusetts developer who had said he might move the team to Hartford, is believed to have the next highest bid.

Cuban, Marino and Murstein formed a partnership with strong local connections. Cuban is a Mt. Lebanon native who owns the Dallas Mavericks National Basketball Association franchise.

An Oakland native, Marino was a star quarterback for Central Catholic High School and the University of Pittsburgh before becoming a Hall of Fame quarterback for the National Football League's Miami Dolphins.

The group includes the principals of Walnut Capital, a Shadyside development company.

It is believed that a group formed by Ohio businessman Jim Renacci offered a lower bid. A group that considered moving the team to Hamilton, Ont., apparently has cooled its interest.

Cuban has indicated his desire to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

Murstein, president of Medallion Financial Group, earlier said the Cuban group's intent was to build a sports-themed development around a new arena that would include a hotel, stores and restaurants.

Penguins owners -- including former team captain Mario Lemieux and California investor Ron Burkle -- hope to finalize the team's sale before the season starts in September.

Talk of the Penguins sale has been tied to plans for replacing Mellon Arena.

Isle of Capri Casinos has offered to pay $290 million for a new arena if it wins the license for a slot machine parlor in Pittsburgh. That's believed to be enough incentive for any of the potential buyers to keep the team here.

Gov. Ed Rendell has asked the other two casino bidders to pay $7.5 million a year toward an arena if either one wins the casino license. The governor's plan calls for the team to pay $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.1 million a year in naming rights.

It's not clear whether all the potential buyers are agreeable to those terms.

Work can start immediately on buying Uptown properties for an arena, Rendell said during a Pittsburgh visit last month. The state has agreed to give the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority $26.5 million from slots money to get the project started.

The team's lease at Mellon Arena expires in June.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_462983.html

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 05:23 AM
Hartford man top bidder for Penguins
Samuel Fingold seen as leading suitor
Saturday, July 22, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Samuel Fingold, a real estate developer from Hartford, Conn., has emerged as the leading candidate to buy the Penguins and could sign a letter of intent within days to negotiate a deal.

Mr. Fingold has the highest offer of the four active bidders, a figure of around $175 million, sources with knowledge of the negotiation process told the Post-Gazette. At least one other bidder, believed to be Lawrence Gottesdiener, may still attempt to outbid him, a source said.

The letter of intent would give Mr. Fingold exclusive rights to negotiate with the hockey club over a period of time, probably 30 days.

Mr. Fingold, 34, grew up a hockey fan in Toronto. He has lived in Hartford for several years and owns Kenyon Investments, a real estate company.

He is pursuing the Penguins as a family venture with his father, David, and his younger brother, Michael.

David and Michael Fingold, both of Toronto, also are in real estate. David Fingold has been involved in multiple real estate projects in Canada and the United States, perhaps the best known being a major condominium development called Chedington in Toronto.

The other three active bidders are Mr. Gottesdiener, a Boston area businessman who has several real estate ventures in Hartford; New York businessman Andrew Murstein, president of Medallion Corp.; and Ohio businessman Jim Renacci, a Ringgold High School graduate who owns an Arena Football team in Columbus.

The Penguins would like to finalize a deal by the start of the season in October. That would mean closing on the sale, getting NHL approval and taking care of other details.

The club's current top officials -- including Hall of Famer Mario Lemieux, a part owner and former CEO -- have expressed an interest in keeping the team in Pittsburgh.

Mr. Fingold has ties to Kansas City, which is looking for an NHL or NBA tenant for its new Sprint Center. As recently as a month ago, he indicated he was bidding for the team with an eye toward moving it to Kansas City, but has since said he thinks it might be viable to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

In addition, several factors seem to indicate that the team will stay put, unless plans fall apart for a new facility that would replace outdated Mellon Arena.

The new owner of the team will inherit an agreement with gaming company Isle of Capri, which has pledged $290 million toward construction of a new arena if it gets the city's slots license.

If one of the other two finalists for the slots license, Forest City and PITG Gaming, get the license, state and local officials have put together an alternative plan for arena funding. Both have committed to provide $7.5 million a year for 30 years for arena construction.

The pledges are a cornerstone of Gov. Ed Rendell's so-called $315 million Plan B to build a new arena in Pittsburgh.

Under its current setup, which would go into effect if Isle of Capri is not awarded a slots license, the Penguins would make an $8.5 million payment toward a new arena, plus $4.1 million per year for 30 years. In addition to the $7.5 million annual contributions from the winning gaming campany, the state would provide $7 million per year from a slots-backed development fund.

The state also would contribute $26.5 million for site acquisition and preparation, which would be paid back once slots revenues begin rolling in.

As long as one of those two possibilities for building an arena is viable, it's doubtful the NHL will allow the team to be relocated. League bylaws list a multitude of conditions that must be met in order for a team to be moved, including whether there are reasonable prospects for viability and whether there are efforts by the community and officials to attain viability.

The state of Mellon Arena, built in the early 1960s, has been major financial drain for the Penguins, who say they are losing millions of dollars a year playing there.

Officials hope to break ground for the new arena next year and have it open in 2009.

Of the other three active bidders, Mr. Murstein and Mr. Renacci have said they were solely interested in keeping the Penguins in Pittsburgh. Mr. Gottesdiener has indicated he would be willing to operate the Penguins here but also has expressed an interest in getting an NHL team for Hartford, where there are hopes for a new arena.

An original fifth bidder, a secretive group from Canada, was on the verge of signing a letter of intent a week ago after making a bid of about $175 million.

That group withdrew, apparently because it either was intent on moving the Penguins or believed that even if it tried to operate the Penguins in Pittsburgh, it would not have the option of moving if things got financially strained.

The St. Louis Blues, who have a modern facility, were sold this summer for $150 million, and that included a lease at Savvis Center.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06203/707848-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 06:44 AM
This is not encouraging news to say the least.

Waking up and reading this news on a Saturday morning has actually made me sick to my stomach. All I know is KC is getting desperate for a tenant for an empty arena they built and there is a good chance that we are going to be sold to a guy that has come out and said he wants to move the team to KC and then only said about keeping the team here after 2 local groups emerged. Not good.

HometownGal
07-22-2006, 06:57 AM
No- this is not very encouraging news at all, but I appreciate you posting the articles, 83. I can't believe that Mario would even consider accepting an offer which would move the Pens out of Pittsburgh!!! :mad: The Cuban/Marino deal is only $5 million short of what some of the other groups have offered and both of these guys have Pittsburgh roots and would keep the team here. Hockey isn't as big here in the Burgh as football is, but the team has its loyal following and last season, many of the games were sold out even though the team didn't do all that well. I have season tix and I, like many others, would really like to know what is going to become of our beloved Pens. I'm not a happy camper right now. :headshake:

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 06:59 AM
It is extremely unlikely that Muirstein would be rejected over $5 million. There is a lot more to a bid than the dollar amount - there is financing. When you bid $170 million dollars, it isnt like you are going to reach into your pocket and pull out the money, no matter how rich you are..Even rich people do not use their own money to buy properties - they use credit. It is much more likely that the Penguins did not like Murstein's financing. Deals are frequently made with a lower bidder who has solid financing. The history of the NHL is littered with "bigshots" who had the highest bid but could actually come across when their financing fell through. I'm just not sold on this deal falling apart over $5 million dollars.

I think I'm going to puke.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 08:56 AM
Just like I said before, Mario is going to sell us out. Unbelievable. So much for his love of Pittsburgh and the fans - just like so many others in pro sports today, his allegiance is with the almighty dollar. :pissed: I am praying that Isle of Capri wins the slots license, because that would guarantee that the team stays here, and this jackass who wants to move them to KC will just have to suck it up and bust.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 09:26 AM
Personally, I'm not blaming 66 for the entire ordeal. The pens move if they can't get the arena, simple as that. Even if one of the new owners wants "deep down" to move the pens to KC, it won't happen if the pens get that new arena.

We can be worried when I.O.C. doesn't get the slot license, the pig's plan B crumbles, and then the NHL doesn't block the owner from setting up plans to move the team. Let's just pray that things don't get that far down the line.

Mario has redone his player contracts several times during his career and has taken deferred payments in order to keep himself and the team in Pittsburgh where as he could have played it out, went to NY or Montreal and made a ton of cash and the team would have been long gone by now and we would be Detroit's farm team right now, but he didn't. The man has saved this team on two different occasions. While many were worrying about a new ball field for a single A ball team with ownership who doesn't give a damn and a new convention center, Mellon Arena was and still is decaying.

I'm also keeping in mind that it's not only Mario calling the shots. There are other investors as well that have a say as to what happens with the team. Mario Lemieux is a businessman. At this point I don't blame him for selling the team to the highest bidder. The politicians in this state have screwed him over on a few occasions and I recall people in this city laughing in his face when he stated he wanted a new arena for the Pittsburgh Penguins. Those are the people I put the majority of the blame towards.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 09:45 AM
These articles are very misleading. Finngold is not looking to move the team to Kansas City. Redneck Heaven is simply a fallback position should the arena negotiations not work out in Pittsburgh.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 09:58 AM
Personally, I'm not blaming 66 for the entire ordeal. The pens move if they can't get the arena, simple as that. Even if one of the new owners wants "deep down" to move the pens to KC, it won't happen if the pens get that new arena.

We can be worried when I.O.C. doesn't get the slot license, the pig's plan B crumbles, and then the NHL doesn't block the owner from setting up plans to move the team. Let's just pray that things don't get that far down the line.

Mario has redone his player contracts several times during his career and has taken deferred payments in order to keep himself and the team in Pittsburgh where as he could have played it out, went to NY or Montreal and made a ton of cash and the team would have been long gone by now and we would be Detroit's farm team right now, but he didn't. The man has saved this team on two different occasions. While many were worrying about a new ball field for a single A ball team with ownership who doesn't give a damn and a new convention center, Mellon Arena was and still is decaying.

I'm also keeping in mind that it's not only Mario calling the shots. There are other investors as well that have a say as to what happens with the team. Mario Lemieux is a businessman. At this point I don't blame him for selling the team to the highest bidder. The politicians in this state have screwed him over on a few occasions and I recall people in this city laughing in his face when he stated he wanted a new arena for the Pittsburgh Penguins. Those are the people I put the majority of the blame towards.

You are, of course, correct about people and city officials - namely ex-Mayor Murphy the Moron - screwing him over and laughing at him when he wanted an arena. I still maintain to this day that the money they wasted on the convention center should have been earmarked for a new arena, which the Pens have and do deserve. Other than Fan Fest, have you ever seen that convention center full a majority of the time? And where are all the massive conventions that it was supposed to draw? $325 million down the drain, and now the Pens have to rely on slots money to get a building and hope that this shady bidder will in fact keep them here. And I do realize that Mario is not calling all of the shots - it's Ron Burkle who's really the one brokering the deal, not Mario, but he still has plenty of input. I really do thank Mario for all he did to save the team twice, and no, I can't blame him for selling to the highest bidder or being upset with local officials, but if he really cares about the city and fans, a condition should have been made that the potential buyer keep the team in Pittsburgh - IMO. All I can do is pray that things end up working out on the arena front.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 10:02 AM
These articles are very misleading. Finngold is not looking to move the team to Kansas City. Redneck Heaven is simply a fallback position should the arena negotiations not work out in Pittsburgh.

Not according to this part of the article:

Mr. Fingold has ties to Kansas City, which is looking for an NHL or NBA tenant for its new Sprint Center. As recently as a month ago, he indicated he was bidding for the team with an eye toward moving it to Kansas City, but has since said he thinks it might be viable to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

That sure sounds to me like he had every intention of moving the team to KC. The ONLY reason he changed his mind is because of the local bidders and that Plan B "might" be viable - with emphasis on "might." If Isle of Capri doesn't win, I am not convinced that this guy won't reject Plan B even if they agree to negotiate on some aspects of it, just so he can point fingers and have an excuse to move the team out of town. I do not trust him one single solitary bit and will not until he gives me reason to.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 10:08 AM
It's not up to him. The NHL has the final say as to where the Penguins will play.

The NHL's bylaws are not public documents, but they contain a passage that defines many conditions that need to be exhausted before a team would be allowed to move, NHL spokesman Frank Brown said yesterday.

Since the Penguins' major problem is its facility, the NHL probably would not approve relocation as long as there is an active plan for a new arena.

Finngold can talk about Redneck Heaven all he wants. But there are still rules to follow before he can do anything.

If you want a good site where it discusses this move in depth, I suggest http://kchockeybuzz.blogspot.com/.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 10:12 AM
A few quotes and articles pertaining to Fingold............

"…I think Kansas City needs an NHL franchise, and I'd love to be the one to do it." - Sam Fingold

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/KansasCitySt...6/05/09/1542647

"Sam Fingold, a real-estate developer from Toronto now based in Hartford, Conn., said Friday he plans to make an offer for the Penguins “relatively soon” and reiterated that he would move the club to Kansas City if not assured of a new arena in Pittsburgh.

The Isle of Capri gaming company has promised to fund a $290 million facility adjacent to Mellon Arena if it secures a standalone slot machine parlor in Pittsburgh. But if one of two other bidders for the license is selected by the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board sometime before the end of 2006, there would be no assurance for a new arena, freeing the club to move.

Fingold said from what he hears, Isle of Capri’s chances don’t “look all that great. Obviously (that leaves) Kansas City.”"


"Fingold has been in constant contact with Paul McGannon of NHL21, the group in Kansas City dedicated to bringing the NHL to the Sprint Center, and with AEG, which will manage the arena."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/s...ey/14890726.htm

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 10:15 AM
Someone needs to tell this idiot that he can't just up and move an NHL franchise.

Hockey will bomb in Kansas City, period. The Rednecks will never understand the game. Hell, they have trouble with baseball out there. Does anyone remember the Kansas City Scouts? No? That's because hockey already failed once in Kansas City and it will fail again.

If Mario sells to this idiot and he does get the NHL's permission to move the team, Mario will go down as one of the biggest villians in the history of Pittsburgh.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 10:17 AM
I'm not sure how much faith I have in the NHL to handle our situation.........Winnipeg, Minnesota, Quebec.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 10:20 AM
Someone needs to tell this idiot that he can't just up and move an NHL franchise.

Hockey will bomb in Kansas City, period. The Rednecks will never understand the game. Hell, they have trouble with baseball out there. Does anyone remember the Kansas City Scouts? No? That's because hockey already failed once in Kansas City and it will fail again.

If Mario sells to this idiot and he does get the NHL's permission to move the team, Mario will go down as one of the biggest villians in the history of Pittsburgh.

My question.......will it fail in KC? Seems to be doing pretty damn good in Raleigh and Nashville.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 10:23 AM
Thanks for posting those links, 83 - they only reinforce my opinion that Fingold is NOT on the up-and-up. He wants to move the team to KC, and he will find a way to move the team to KC the first chance he gets - Plan B is completely irrelevant to him.

cbalke
07-22-2006, 10:32 AM
If Mario sells to this idiot and he does get the NHL's permission to move the team, Mario will go down as one of the biggest villians in the history of Pittsburgh.

as sad as that would be, since mario wouldn't really be at total fault at all(paging mayor murphy), i think this WILL be true.

he'll get fricking run out of town quicker than bubby brister and tommy maddox.

here's nifty link for anyone who owns property in allegheny county...no 'real' reason to post it here. no 'agenda' or anything like that. :wink: btw - i couldn't believe they released the chick's name who hit big ben. i had her address from this within SECONDS of learning her name, and i didn't mean her any harm at all. scary what kind of liberties the press can take with our safety, ain't it?

http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/Search.asp

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 10:35 AM
I'm not sure how much faith I have in the NHL to handle our situation.........Winnipeg, Minnesota, Quebec.

In all 3 cases you cite above, the cities refused to come up with new arena deals, plus let's not forget Hartford as well. Minnesota of course has a team again with a new building, and Winnipeg has also built a new arena, though it's capacity is too small for NHL standards. But with Gary Butt-Head running the show, I have no faith at all in the NHL. He's already ruined the game enough with his stupid rules changes and trying to take physical play out of the sport...he would sign off on the Pens' moving in a heartbeat if he know it would make the league and the owners more money. He doesn't care about Pittsburgh either.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 10:39 AM
I just want to know how a Canadian businessman has any insight into negotiations going on in the Pa State Senate.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 10:53 AM
All he has to do is read the local media to know what's going on in the state Senate. Isle of Capri has been the underdog from day one, and up until last week, there was no viable Plan B finalized. Being one of the bidders, you'd also have to think he gets updated on the situation daily by his officials, who may get their info directly from government officials. It isn't like he was kept totally in the dark and he's speaking with no knowledge at all on what's going on.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 10:57 AM
I don't know. The whole thing seems shady to me.

If the Penguins leave, I'll become a Flyers fan.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 10:59 AM
I'm curious to why the only person who has claimed it offered 170 million was Murstein. Why does he get all of our trust as being the honest boyscout?

This is the same guy that has failed at least once (probably more if reports are more correct.) at buying sports franchises.

It's not just about the money. He can offer 270 million and still be turned down. Because once you start looking into his group you find out he doesn't have the money to make that type of offer.

People are ready to run Mario out of town but at the same time they need to realize in the real world it won't be a 5 million dollar difference. Maybe in their offers it's 5 million but in reality it could be 55 million because Murstein's group can't come up with the funds.

Again, Murstein has failed before in trying to buy a sports franchise. He got Cuban not as an investor but as a publicity ploy to try and force Mario to give a hometown discount. Why trust this guy and take his word as gospel?

It's all very shady at this point in time. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions and screaming bloody murder a little premature? Just have to sit back and watch how this all unfolds. It's not looking good though.

BlackNGold203
07-22-2006, 11:10 AM
I don't know. The whole thing seems shady to me.

If the Penguins leave, I'll become a Flyers fan.

I could never be a Flyers fan......:rolleyes:

I dunno....its not looking good...but its not over yet...Im witholding judgement

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:12 AM
It's all shady. Nothing about this deal has been on the up and up from the very get go.

And the fact that KC is involved should make everyone very nervous.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:16 AM
I could never be a Flyers fan......:rolleyes:

I agree completely. That's that stating you will become a Browns fan if the Steelers ever left town.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:17 AM
That's how much this whole thing pisses me off. I'm damned sure not going to be a KC Penguins fan. In the words of Will Smith.....that's just stupid.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm curious to why the only person who has claimed it offered 170 million was Murstein. Why does he get all of our trust as being the honest boyscout?

This is the same guy that has failed atleast once (probably more if reports are more correct.) at buying sports franchises.

It's not just about the money He can offer 270 million and still be turned down. Because once you start looking into his group you find out he doesn't have the money to make that type of offer.

People are ready to run Mario out of town but at the same time they need to realize in the real world it won't be a 5 million dollar difference. Maybe in their offers it's 5 million but in reality it could be 55 million because Murstein's group can't come up with the funds.

Again, Murstein has failed before in trying to buy a sports franchise. He got Cuban not as an investor but as a publicity ploy to try and force Mario to give a hometown discount. Why trust this guy and take his word as gospel?

It's all very shady at this point in time. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions and screaming bloody murder a little premature?

Do you honestly think Murstein would make this offer, bring in powerful local investors AND pledge to keep the team here, and then say F you to the public ? I don't think so, and that's why I trust him and would trust Finacci over the guy from Hartford and certainly over Fingold. All I'm asking for is a solid commitment to keeping the team here or at the very least, seriously consider Plan B and negotiate if necessary - I see room for compromise in the deal. Murstein's group would have done that. Fingold has given no indication that he will.

Bottom line is that there are some shady dealings going on here, and I'm not liking it one bit.

Jeremy - I'll do you one step further. If the Pens end up moving, I will never watch or attend another NHL game, and all of my Mario stuff will go into the dumpster.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:19 AM
Pisses me off just as much. This is coming from a long time Penguin season ticket holder (long before Lemieux was even drafted) but I could never bring myself to root for the Flyers. I guess I wouldn't root for anybody.

cbalke
07-22-2006, 11:22 AM
yeah, the flyers suck. i'd rather root for what used to be the penguins B team...aka the senators.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:32 AM
Do you honestly think Murstein would make this offer, bring in powerful local investors AND pledge to keep the team here, and then say F you to the public ?


Personally, I don't ever recall Murstein pledging he would keep the team here.

If Murstein and his group want to swallow their pride and get overly aggressive with the Pens then they can but I really doubt they will. They gave Cuban and Marino paychecks in the hopes that they wouldnt have to get into a high bidding war. I doubt they will do that now. I am surprised they went to 170!!! in fact I doubt they really went that high.

When I first found out of Cuban's involvement with Murstein, I was very ecstatic about it - I thought it would be a done deal because Cuban wouldn't strike out with the Pens again as he did in 1999. That coupled with the fact that he was also interested in buying the Pirates, the Blues, *AND* the Chicago Cubs, it seemed to me like he would not let this latest opportunity pass by.

This does call into question other statements by Murstein, like "we won't have the highest bid, but we'll be competitive." Fourth-highest is competitive?

That's not to mention what it does to Cuban's whole "I'm in this to make sure the team doesn't leave Pittsburgh" nonsense.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:34 AM
Well at least we know what's what now.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:37 AM
Well at least we know what's what now.

lol, we do?

All I know is that we have two final bidders that would love to move this team. Details of this whole deal are still very shady.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:40 AM
Yeah, we do.

Mario wants to make a little dough off of this deal and it willing to send the team to Redneck Heaven to do so.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 11:42 AM
It's all just making me sick to my stomach.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:43 AM
Yeah, we do.

Mario wants to make a little dough off of this deal and it willing to send the team to Redneck Heaven to do so.

lol, I'm not going to bother repeating myself on the whole "Hang Lemieux, it's all his fault" topic. Already commented twice on that topic.

In my opinion, the situation is still very shady and the details are still questionable.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 11:46 AM
But you know the fans are going to want to hang Lemieux anyway, whether or not it's all his fault. He was the face of the team, and because of that, he's going to take all of the heat. That's just the way it is.

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:47 AM
It's not his fault and that's not what I'm saying. It's his right to make as much money off of the pens as he can. He is Canadian after all and shouldn't have been trusted in the first place. He can do whatever he wants with the Pens.

But I like what someone said earlier. If the Pens are moved to Kansas City, I'll be done with the NHL. I'll watch college hockey, my Nittany Lions, and my Steelers and that will be that.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 11:52 AM
It's not his fault and that's not what I'm saying. It's his right to make as much money off of the pens as he can. He is Canadian after all and shouldn't have been trusted in the first place. He can do whatever he wants with the Pens.

But I like what someone said earlier. If the Pens are moved to Kansas City, I'll be done with the NHL. I'll watch college hockey, my Nittany Lions, and my Steelers and that will be that.

Your correct, it is his right. He's a businessman. He's not supposed to lose money, he supposed to make money. That's normally how the business world works. After saving this teams ass on a few occasions, I would sell to the highest bidder and say "Later and thanks for screwing me over in the past!".

Afterall he's Canadian? What does Lemieux being Canadian have to do with anything? Was he an American and to be trusted when he saved the team the first time?

Why do you like what that other person said when you stated you are going to root for the Flyers if the Penguins leave?

Jeremy
07-22-2006, 11:56 AM
Because his idea was better than mine.

The Candian thing is kind of an inside joke between me and a few friends. It just kind of slipped out there. Sorry about that.

X-Terminator
07-22-2006, 12:04 PM
Well, despite what's going on, I'm still going to enjoy this upcoming season and support the team on the ice, and just pray that I will be able to renew my season tickets next year and beyond. That's all I can do at this point.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 12:07 PM
Because his idea was better than mine.

The Candian thing is kind of an inside joke between me and a few friends. It just kind of slipped out there. Sorry about that.

Ummmm...ok?

Anyways................

First it was Murstein when he first showed up on the radar who talked how he wouldn't be the highest bidder and wanted a hometown discount.

I'm not saying Murstein is lying but on this board people are running Mario out of town by taking this guy's word for it. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt and Mario not?

Again this Murstein has failed (admitted he failed once, been reported he failed numerous times) to own franchises. However when he talked about going after the Raptors he spun it in true political fashion. It wasn't that he came up short in the bidding it was he bailed out because of a tv deal in Canada.

We don't know much about Murstein but the little history we know about him is when he fails to own a team he finds an excuse as to why he didn't get the team. It's never he didn't have the funding, it's well I didn't want to own that team (like he admitted doing with the Blues recently.)

So here he is again out of the running and he's trying to make it look like it's Mario's fault when it very well could be his group that simply doesn't have the funding to get it done.

83-Steelers-43
07-22-2006, 12:08 PM
Well, despite what's going on, I'm still going to enjoy this upcoming season and support the team on the ice, and just pray that I will be able to renew my season tickets next year and beyond. That's all I can do at this point.

Amen brother. Good conversation though. :smile:

Prosdo
07-22-2006, 01:06 PM
Blah not the news I was hoping to hear. I'm praying that our Pens will stay in Pittsburgh!

SteelCityMan786
07-23-2006, 07:06 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :rocket: :m16: :m16: WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!? The Penguins are making a huge mistake, I don't think they understand, they sell it to Cuban/Marino's Group, THE PENGUINS ARE HERE TO STAY. Well I hate hear this that it happens on my vacation day. See you guys in a week.

cbalke
07-23-2006, 01:01 PM
if it does happen that they move, this house will quickly be on the market. anyone got a couple million bucks laying around? :wink:

http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/General.asp?Name=lemieux%20mario&SingleResult=True&CurrBloLot=0507H00022000000%20%20%20%20

cbalke
07-26-2006, 01:26 PM
Mario wants to keep team in burgh. "Lofty goal, Herb...."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2530176&campaign=rss&source=NHLHeadlines

Jeremy
07-26-2006, 01:37 PM
Spin spin spin

83-Steelers-43
07-26-2006, 01:47 PM
Mario wants to keep team in burgh. "Lofty goal, Herb...."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2530176&campaign=rss&source=NHLHeadlines

Good article and nice find. He has given me no reason to not believe what he has to say. It's not as if he didn't save this team on two different other occasions in the past. I'm taking the "wait and see" approach instead of jumping to the conclusion that Lemieux (who made hockey in this city) is the anti-Christ of Pittsburgh sports.

Although it's amusing and pathetic at the same time watching this guy take more heat than Kevin McClatchy and the Nuttings put together.

cbalke
07-26-2006, 05:16 PM
hehehehe - good point. it's hard to stay positive about it when folks are pretty actively looking to move the team for their own interests, though, you know?

i HOPE they stay.

i really hope lemieux can work something out with the new buyer to require them to stay. that would work for me.... :)

83-Steelers-43
07-26-2006, 05:32 PM
NHL Notebook: Penguins' Malone wins in arbitration
Thursday, July 27, 2006

From local and wire dispatches

Penguins forward Ryan Malone was awarded a two-year, $2.75 million contract through arbitration, according to general manager Ray Shero.

Malone, 26, had 22 goals and 22 assists, 63 penalty minutes and was a minus-22 in 77 games last season, when he made $750,000. That's one assist better and four games fewer than in his rookie season of 2003-04.

His five short-handed goals last season led the team and put him third in the NHL.

Malone has spent most of his career at left wing but was moved to center late last season.

After the season, Malone had four points for Team USA at the world championships and was named one of the top three American players.

Malone, who grew up in Upper St. Clair, was a fourth-round draft pick by the Penguins in 1999.

83-Steelers-43
07-27-2006, 06:12 AM
Three bidders still in running
Group with Cuban alive; price may go up
Thursday, July 27, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Although Hartford real estate developer Samuel Fingold still appears to be the front-runner, there are indications that the Penguins have given at least two other bidders a chance to get back into the race to buy the team.

At the end of last week, Fingold had the highest adjusted bid of around $175 million and seemed likely to sign a letter of intent early this week to begin exclusive negotiations.

Lawrence Gottesdiener, a developer who has extensive projects in Hartford, is believed to have matched or come close to Fingold's bid over the weekend.

Andrew Murstein, a New York businessman who garnered a lot of attention for lining up several local investors and promising to keep the Penguins in town, was left behind when his resubmitted bid was around $170 million.

Now he might have a chance to come up with something higher.

Penguins Hall of Famer Mario Lemieux, part-owner of the team, was at a golf tournament Tuesday and was asked about Murstein's group, which includes Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Marino.

"I think they still are in the running," Lemieux told the Toronto Sun.

Lemieux's comment, coupled with the fact that there is no letter of intent yet, could be an indication that team owners want to see if they can coax the price higher.

Or it could be a sign that they want to try to enhance the team's chances of remaining in Pittsburgh.

"[Moving] is always possible, but I think the priority is keeping it where it is," Lemieux told the Sun.

Business sense dictates that pushing the sale price closer to $200 million and working to keep the team here could be counter purposes.

It's thought that the Penguins are worth a lot more as a portable team. Forbes, for instance, most recently estimated the team's worth at $137 million. Several people close to the sale process have said anything significantly higher might reflect a value associated with a team coveted by another city.

Or perhaps the higher price is just what the market will bear at this time, regardless of where the team ends up, partly because the NHL's year-old collective bargaining agreement gives its teams a more sound financial footing.

Although Murstein has pledged all along to keep the team here, Fingold and Gottesdiener have indicated they could work with local officials to make the club viable here.

Initially, Fingold expressed an interest in moving the Penguins to Kansas City and its new arena. Gottesdiener has talked with Hartford officials about building a new arena there and bringing in an NHL club.

Any new owner will be bound to an agreement with the Isle of Capri gaming company that could keep the team here. If Isle of Capri gets the city's slots license later this year, it has vowed to donate $290 toward a new arena.

If not, state and local officials have assembled an alternative arena funding plan that calls for money from the team, the winning slots casino bidder and the state through a slots-backed fund, but that "Plan B" has not been finalized.

HometownGal
07-27-2006, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the info, 83. I sure hope they decide on something soon before I chew my nails off wondering if our beloved Pens are going to stay here in the Burgh past the upcoing season. There is a lot of excitement building already for the start of the season.

83-Steelers-43
07-29-2006, 09:08 AM
Fingold agrees to buy Penguins; Promises to keep team here if possible
Saturday, July 29, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Connecticut real estate developer Sam Fingold won the bidding contest for the Penguins, and it looks as if he'll do his best to win over the team's fans, too.

Mr. Fingold, leading a group of four active bidders, has signed a letter of intent to buy the hockey club, the Penguins announced last night. It's believed his winning bid was at least $175 million.

As recently as late June, Mr. Fingold expressed concerns over the city's ability to build a new arena and said he would keep open the option of moving the Penguins to Kansas City, which has a new arena.

He later softened that stance and now seems committed to try to keep the club in Pittsburgh.

"As passionate hockey fans, we are excited about this opportunity to purchase the Pittsburgh Penguins," Mr. Fingold said in a Penguins' news release. "We agree with the current ownership group that the Penguins should remain in Pittsburgh and that a new arena is crucial to the team's long-term success.

"So many of the elements for success already are in place here, including a loyal fan base and a spectacular core of young talent, led by Sidney Crosby. The Penguins are an important part of Pittsburgh's sports landscape, and it is our objective to do everything possible to secure their future here."

The letter of intent signed by the Fingold group gives it exclusive negotiating rights to reach a purchase agreement with the Penguins owners, most likely for 30 days. The next step would be NHL approval.

The Penguins team is owned by the Lemieux Group Limited Partnership. Hall of Famer Mario Lemieux and California billionaire Ron Burkle are the two known members of the group.

If plans for a new facility to replace outdated Mellon Arena don't materialize -- whether through the team's agreement with the gaming company Isle of Capri or under state and local officials' Plan B -- there is no doubt Kansas City will be waiting and willing to welcome the team.

According to the Kansas City Star, Mr. Fingold has maintained regular contact with Paul McGannon, president of NHL21, the Kansas City group trying to bring an NHL team to that city's new Sprint Center.

"The next 30 days will determine if Pittsburgh is able to come up with financial models and scenarios to stay in Pittsburgh," Mr. McGannon told the Star for a story appearing today.

"That's the first choice of the league and the current ownership group. But if for whatever reason that does not work out politically or casino-wise or otherwise, what are the other options? Fingold looks at us favorably as an option."

If Isle of Capri gets the slots license for Pittsburgh, it has agreed to donate $290 million toward construction of a new arena.

If one of the other two gaming companies in the running for the slots license prevails later this year, there is a plan for that company to contribute $7.5 million a year for 30 years, the Penguins $8.5 million up front and $4.1 million per year, and the state $7 million a year through a slots-backed fund, all toward the new facility. There also is $26.5 million in state funds for land acquisition and site preparation in Uptown, adjacent to Mellon Arena.

But many aspects of Plan B still will need to be negotiated and finalized if the Isle of Capri situation doesn't materialize.

The Penguins' lease at Mellon Arena expires in June.

"Pittsburgh has a great NHL market of 39 years, two Stanley Cups," Mr. McGannon said. "These are prized commodities, these teams. They are going to do everything they can to keep it, which we totally understand.

"Our job at NHL21 is front and center. We are a viable option. The league is well aware of our desires. We just have to wait and see how all this plays out."

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato is not waiting around. He said he got Mr. Fingold's phone number from Penguins CEO Ken Sawyer last night and was hoping for a call back from the prospective team owner.

"We're prepared to sit down with the new owner and discuss a long-term lease at a new multipurpose facility," Mr. Onorato said.

"We have two different plans to get a new facility. I can't worry or speculate on what other cities will do. I just want [Fingold] to know we're prepared to negotiate."

Asked what he thought the chances are that the Penguins will remain, Mr. Onorato said: "I'm not into giving odds, but we now have financing in place for a new facility on the timeline the Penguins need. We hope to start construction in '07 and finish in '09.

"I believe our chances are good."

Under NHL bylaws concerning relocation of franchises, if there is an issue that would make a team viable in its current city -- such as a new arena -- and there is an ongoing plan to rectify that issue, the league likely will block a move.

Mr. Fingold, 34, is the principal of Kenyon Investments, a commercial real estate firm in Hartford, Conn. Mr. Fingold's partners are his father, David, and brother, Michael, who are real estate developers in the family's hometown of Toronto, and Michael Cohl, founder and chief executive officer of Concert Productions International.

"Sam and his family have a tremendous background in business and investments, and, just as importantly, they have hockey in their blood. We look forward to working with them to complete the purchase agreement, and to achieve their goal of keeping the Penguins in Pittsburgh for the long term," Mr. Sawyer said.

Jeremy
07-29-2006, 10:07 AM
Under NHL bylaws concerning relocation of franchises, if there is an issue that would make a team viable in its current city -- such as a new arena -- and there is an ongoing plan to rectify that issue, the league likely will block a move.

Translation: Kansas City shouldn't hold their breath.

Prosdo
07-29-2006, 12:55 PM
Sounds about right to me Jeremy. No need to move this team out of the Burgh.

HometownGal
07-30-2006, 06:37 PM
Under NHL bylaws concerning relocation of franchises, if there is an issue that would make a team viable in its current city -- such as a new arena -- and there is an ongoing plan to rectify that issue, the league likely will block a move.

Translation: Kansas City shouldn't hold their breath.

AMEN. :cool: I'm feeling a lot better now about our Pens staying in the Burgh.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2006, 07:35 PM
Bottomline.......if we get an arena, the team stays here. If we don't, say hello to the Kansas City Penguins.

Unless you have faith in Plan B going through.

X-Terminator
07-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Considering that Fat Eddie Rendell is doing everything he can to make sure that Isle of Capri DOESN'T win the license and help out his casino/mob buddies, we'd better have faith in Plan B going through. Because ultimately, that's all we're going to have. At least Onorato and Co. are willing to negotiate aspects of Plan B; the question remains if Fingold is just as willing. The jury is still very much in doubt on that.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2006, 09:31 PM
Considering that Fat Eddie Rendell is doing everything he can to make sure that Isle of Capri DOESN'T win the license and help out his casino/mob buddies, we'd better have faith in Plan B going through.

Mob buddies tend to exist in both parties....lol. Just ask O'Connor, but I won't go any further into that...lol.

For what it's worth. The owner of Station Square "donated" $100,000 dollars to Rendell during his campaign. The owner of Station Square wants a gambling license. You do the math.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2006, 11:13 PM
$290M in funding tight, but doable, for arena
Monday, July 31, 2006

By Gary Rotstein, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



A $290 million investment is about the minimum needed to get Pittsburgh a quality National Hockey League arena if construction starts soon, say developers of such facilities, but overall costs connected to it also could end up well above $300 million.

Pittsburgh Penguins officials since Christmas have trumpeted their agreement with Isle of Capri Casinos Inc. through which the gambling operator would provide $290 million up-front for an arena -- if it wins Pittsburgh's one slots license. The team has not provided specifics, however, about just what the $290 million would cover and what features the new facility would include.

Gov. Ed Rendell has offered a $315 million Plan B that accepts the $290 million estimate for construction-related costs and includes additional funds for long-term financing expenses, which the Penguins say can be avoided if Isle of Capri wins the license and writes out a check for the arena.

Under either scenario, the Rendell administration has committed to have the state cover $26.5 million in additional real estate acquisition and site preparation costs for the new Uptown arena. Either funding scenario also could face higher-than-expected inflation or other unanticipated costs.

Several analysts uninvolved in the Pittsburgh discussions view $290 million as a fair starting point for construction-related costs, if the arena is not intended to be among the league's largest, and if it doesn't necessarily include the most luxurious amenities.

"I think that could be achievable," said Michael Fratianni, executive vice president of Hunt Construction Group, a leading sports arena construction firm nationally.

"I would say that in Pittsburgh, you could be all in for anywhere from $275 million to $300 million," said Mr. Fratianni, who managed the construction of Heinz Field, which cost $281 million. "What it would take with that dollar amount is the right people -- the architect, owner and construction manager sitting down and working through a program that can reflect that cost."

If questions arise about sufficient funding, it could factor into such decisions as whether to include a gourmet restaurant or provide premium-seat buyers their own separate viewing level and entrance, according to those familiar with new arenas.

"Everything affects cost, right down to the dessert carts that visit each suite every game," said Michael Roth, vice president of communications for AEG, which will manage the new, $276 million Sprint Center in Kansas City. "The escalators, the elevators, every amenity of fan convenience adds to the cost."

Brian Parker, project manager for Conventions, Sports & Leisure International, a consulting firm, said minimum cost for an NHL facility would be "at least $250 million, and that's probably a smaller building with smaller square footage and not all of the amenities. ... That's if construction started today, opening three years from now."

Mr. Parker's firm recently advised the Connecticut Development Authority, which has mulled construction of a new arena in Hartford but has no specific plans, that it should assume costs would be in the $300 million to $400 million range, rather than the $250 million to $270 million it was seeking.

He and others said project estimates are affected by start dates and, in the case of population centers between Washington, D.C., and Boston, higher costs for labor, materials and property. Pittsburgh costs would be more in line with national averages.

The only NHL arena currently under construction, to open in 2007 in Newark for the New Jersey Devils, carries a price tag of $310 million. It will contain 18,000 seats, 78 luxury suites, 150 food and retail areas, a gourmet restaurant, 750 television monitors and 12 escalators.

Any future metropolitan Downtown arena could cost at least $300 million, said Jon Niemuth, design principal in the Ellerbe Becket architectural firm, based on Kansas City's 18,500-seat Sprint Center, which is also to open in fall of 2007. It has no major professional sports tenant, and Kansas City officials are hoping the arena will encourage relocation of an existing franchise, such as the Penguins, if the team's ownership is dissatisfied with local arena options.

The Penguins favored suitor, Samuel Fingold of Hartford, has indicated he plans for the team to stay in Pittsburgh.

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said that while the organization's officials have no specific design plan, "the $290 million figure is a result of our work with contractors who have built arenas, and the cost of arenas built in the United States in recent years."

In the loosest of terms, Penguins officials have described wanting about 1,000 more seats than the 16,940 they have for hockey; more and better luxury suites than the 53 for which corporations pay $85,000 to $105,000 annually; and wider concourses that allow for more comfortable access throughout the building and more plentiful concession stands and retail stores.

A spate of construction brought 19 new facilities into the NHL from 1993 to 1999 with many of the features deemed lacking in 45-year-old Mellon Arena. Four more have opened since 2000.

Mellon is seven years older than Madison Square Garden, the New York Rangers' home and the second-oldest facility in the league. Mr. McMillan said Pittsburgh sports fans -- from top businesses to average citizens -- also compare Mellon's amenities to what they've enjoyed at PNC Park and Heinz Field since 2001.

Many around the NHL, including Penguins officials, have pointed to the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minn., as a model for new arena development. The facility, which has sold out its 18,064 seats for every game since opening in 2000, was built using $180 million in public-private financing plus $45 million in add-ons the club ownership paid for to upgrade scoreboard, suite and electronic advertising features, among other items.

The "X" is known for its broad concourses that allow fans to see the action while in concession lines. At the same time, it has 72 luxury suites costing $75,000 to $150,000 to lease. It and other new arenas feature separate access and fine dining options for club-seat holders.

The quality and choices of seating arrangements, restaurants and technology -- among other factors -- all factor into what Mr. Neimuth, an arena architect, described as the difference between a "three-star versus a five-star arena." Many of those decisions will be affected by a team's market, he said, and the goal isn't necessarily to build the biggest possible facility.

While some arenas have gone above 20,000 in seating, which maximizes revenue for the most popular events, he said "18,000 seems like a sweet spot most buildings can fill, and if it works right, it drives up demand because more people want in."

He said an annual inflation rate of 5 to 8 percent should be built into construction estimates, based on recent industry trends.

When replacement of Mellon Arena was last under serious discussion by the Penguins and the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority in 2002, local officials estimated the project cost at between $270 million and $278 million, including the cost of land acquisition and site clearance across Centre Avenue from the existing arena.

The Penguins have committed that if the Isle of Capri plan is accepted, they will cover any cost overruns above the $290 million.

The team, the SEA and the governor's office have yet to iron out details of Plan B, such as dealing with cost overruns and operation of the new arena, because the Penguins are counting on the Isle of Capri plan, although the license decision may not come until next year.

The governor has laid out Plan B as a financial alternative relying on $7.5 million a year for 30 years from the slots licensee, $7 million a year from a state development fund covered by slots revenue, and an annual Penguins contribution that includes a $2.9 million payment and giving up $1.2 million in naming rights that would be directed toward the arena cost. Also, the Pens would be expected to pay $8.5 million up front, as team officials indicated in the past they would be willing to do.

Those contributions would fund an annual $18.6 million debt payment for 30 years on a bond issue to fund arena construction, based on the $290 million estimate. Rendell administration officials said they trust that the Penguins and Isle of Capri negotiated that amount as what was necessary to get a quality arena, as the casino company wouldn't want to donate more than was needed.

"We respect that estimate," said Kate Philips, the governor's spokeswoman. "Things can increase, depending on when you finally break ground, but that aside, we think it's a responsible estimate."

Mr. Fratianni, of Hunt Construction, said design work on an arena typically takes about eight to 10 months, and the construction itself 27 to 29 months, with some overlap possible to reduce the time. The Pens would like to be in a new arena by 2009, which he said "could be achieved, but certainly some things would have to move right off the bat."

How fast things can move is up in the air, at present, because the Penguins have been focused on only Isle of Capri's funding plan and negotiating sale of the team to a new owner, who would inherit that agreement.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2006, 11:14 PM
Also, Paul Steigerwald stated that he heard from good sources that the Murstein group's offer was 15-20 million dollars short of Fingold's and not 5 million.

83-Steelers-43
07-31-2006, 08:48 AM
More on Steigerwald's comments.........

1. As mentioned earlier, the difference between the Murstein bid and the Fingold bid was closer to $20 million than $5 million,

2. According to someone close to the sale (an investment banker, I believe), Murstein was informed by the group overseeing the sale that this sale was dependent on many factors, not just the bid price,

3. The Penguins were reportedly VERY disappointed in Murstein's inability to keep his mouth shut during the process, and...

4. Neither Cuban nor Dan Marino contributed one quarter to the Murstein bid. They were basically investors in name only.

John Steigerwald is the only sportscaster in town with any kind of a spine. He may be the only person covering this whole situation with any backbone.

X-Terminator
07-31-2006, 09:12 AM
More on Steigerwald's comments.........

1. As mentioned earlier, the difference between the Murstein bid and the Fingold bid was closer to $20 million than $5 million,

2. According to someone close to the sale (an investment banker, I believe), Murstein was informed by the group overseeing the sale that this sale was dependent on many factors, not just the bid price,

3. The Penguins were reportedly VERY disappointed in Murstein's inability to keep his mouth shut during the process, and...

4. Neither Cuban nor Dan Marino contributed one quarter to the Murstein bid. They were basically investors in name only.

John Steigerwald is the only sportscaster in town with any kind of a spine. He may be the only person covering this whole situation with any backbone.

1. Looks like you were right all along on that one. Murstein simply didn't have the money to make that kind of bid and was looking for a "hometown discount" from Mario and the Pens since he had vowed to keep the team here.

2. I personally would like to know what those "factors" were, besides money.

3. I don't have a problem with this - he was trying to gain local support more than anything else. Fingold hasn't exactly been quiet on the matter either and he ended up winning the bid process. Go figure.

4. I had a feeling this was true. If Cuban were really serious about buying the team, he'd have done it himself rather than get on board with someone else. Again, Murstein was trying to get a hometown discount by using their names, something that I'm actually shocked that Cuban would agree to.

Sheesh, no wonder Murstein has been unable to buy a team. This guy really IS a shady character, every bit as shady as Fingold is.

BlackNGold203
07-31-2006, 09:15 AM
More on Steigerwald's comments.........

1. As mentioned earlier, the difference between the Murstein bid and the Fingold bid was closer to $20 million than $5 million,

2. According to someone close to the sale (an investment banker, I believe), Murstein was informed by the group overseeing the sale that this sale was dependent on many factors, not just the bid price,

3. The Penguins were reportedly VERY disappointed in Murstein's inability to keep his mouth shut during the process, and...

4. Neither Cuban nor Dan Marino contributed one quarter to the Murstein bid. They were basically investors in name only.

John Steigerwald is the only sportscaster in town with any kind of a spine. He may be the only person covering this whole situation with any backbone.

Agreed 83...Steigerwald can be counted on to "tell it like it is"....

As badly as everyone wants the Pens to stay here...including me....this is a business deal....and purely a business deal....20 million is alot of money....cant blame them for dismissing Murstein for falling that short...

And whats up with all the Cuban and Marino crap??....if Cuban wanted to invest...he would invest...BIG TIME...he could wipe his ass with 20 mill if he wanted too...I just dont get this whole 'lending your name" crap....put up the cash...or run the Mavericks...

83-Steelers-43
08-03-2006, 07:12 AM
Yesterday's article......

Malkin's future with Penguins still clouded
Tuesday, August 01, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



An NHL-imposed deadline passed yesterday with no immediate word on a response from or action taken by the Russian hockey federation.

That leaves the status of Penguins prospect Evgeni Malkin -- who yesterday turned 20 -- uncertain.

The Russians, who declined to participate in the International Ice Hockey Federation's agreement with the NHL last season, agreed to the terms on June 9 but did not complete the paperwork.

The NHL recently set a deadline of yesterday for the deal to be finalized; otherwise Russian players not already in the NHL would not be allowed to sign with and play for NHL teams in 2006-07.

An NHL spokesman late yesterday said he did not know of any news from Russia or the IIHF, and a Penguins spokesman said the team had not heard anything.

The Penguins drafted Malkin in the first round, second overall, in the June 2004 draft. Playing for Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Russian Super League, he had 21 goals, 26 assists in 46 games. Malkin, a physical forward, also represented Russia at the world junior, Olympic and world tournaments.

Penguins general manager Ray Shero seemed upbeat last week about the prospect of Malkin being at training camp next month.

"It's really out of our hands," Shero said. "We just get the news as we get it, and until then we keep our fingers crossed.

"But let's put it this way: I'm not going out and getting a centericeman because I'm counting on having Malkin."

Malkin is under contract with Metallurg through 2008, but he has been quoted in Russian publications as saying he wants to play for the Penguins this season.

Under the transfer agreement, international teams receive a flat fee of $200,000 when they lose players to the NHL.

Officials with the Super League have expressed dissatisfaction with the arrangement. Gennady Velichkin, general director of Metallurg, even told Russian reporters that he might sue the Penguins in an attempt to get them to buy Malkin's contract for millions of dollars.

Things seemed to be settled after Hall of Fame goaltender Vladislav Tretiak took over as head of the Russian federation and coaxed Super League official to get on board with the transfer agreement. It was thought then that the Russians officially would sign on by late June.

The NHL has tried to push the Russians to get on board. Commissioner Gary Bettman has threatened to bar NHL players from the 2007 world championships, scheduled for Moscow. Then came the deadline yesterday.

If Russia officially joins the trade agreement in a time frame acceptable to the NHL, negotiating Malkin's contract should not be difficult. He would probably receive a three-year deal worth the maximum $984,200 plus bonuses under the year-old collective bargaining agreement.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06213/710156-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
08-03-2006, 07:14 AM
Today's article......

Despite lack of NHL-Russia agreement, agent for Malkin expects him to play here this year
Thursday, August 03, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Bad news for the Penguins coming out of Russia yesterday was overshadowed by Evgeni Malkin's agent saying last night that he expects the prospect to play in the NHL this coming season.
Don Meehan, who represents Malkin, said he is about to begin contract negotiations with the Penguins and expects the 20-year-old center to head to North America soon.

"Our intention will still be to have him come and play with the Penguins this season," Meehan said.

Malkin, the second overall pick in the 2004 NHL draft, spent last season in Russia. It looked as if he might have to stay there when the Russian Federation announced yesterday that it had reversed course and would not sign the European transfer agreement with the International Ice Hockey Federation.

Malkin is under contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Russian Super League for two more years. Meehan said it is his understanding that Russian labor law allows employees to leave their employers with a certain type of notice. He expects several Russian players who have been drafted by NHL teams to use the same means to leave Russia.

Meehan said that Malkin, who has said he hoped and planned to play for the Penguins this season, is not with Metallurg in its training camp but is working out on his own.

The Penguins, who have been counting on Malkin to complement second-year center Sidney Crosby, could not confirm that Malkin is coming.

"We were hoping to have an agreement between the NHL and the Russian Federation, but seeing there is not going to be an agreement, we are going to talk to Evgeni's agents to see what our options are," Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said.

The Russian news agency RIA Novosti broke the news that Vladislav Tretiak, head of the Russian Federation, reported his country won't sign the transfer agreement. About eight weeks ago, the Russian Federation agreed in principle to the transfer agreement, but it never formally signed the papers.

It's believed Super League owners were behind the reluctance to sign the agreement, under which NHL teams pay into a pool that provides a $200,000 fee for a player under contract to a European team whose country has signed the agreement.

Tretiak seemed to indicate as much.

"At the talks with the IIHF and the NHL ... we failed to take into full account the interests of Russian clubs, which have players that interest the NHL," Tretiak was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti.

"The RHF therefore decided it was impossible for Russia to join this transfer agreement."

Metallurg general director Gennady Velichkin even threatened to sue the Penguins to force them to buy Malkin's contract for millions of dollars.

The major rift, though, apparently is between Russia and the IIHF.

"We saw great interest on the part of the NHL to cooperate, and its interest in Russian players. The talks were constructive," Tretiak said in the news report.

Malkin, a physical player who got international experience the past eight months playing in the Olympics, the world junior championships and the world championships, had 21 goals, 26 assists in 46 games for Metallurg.

Contract negotiations with the Penguins are expected to be relatively smooth. Malkin most likely would get the maximum under the year-old collective bargaining agreement, a three-year entry-level deal with a $984,200 salary plus a signing bonus of up to 10 percent of his salary and some other bonuses, primarily based on performance.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06215/710757-61.stm

BlackNGold203
08-03-2006, 07:54 AM
I hope this works out...I really wanna see this kid play.....

83-Steelers-43
08-03-2006, 08:13 AM
I say we get a Special Forces Unit together headed by Sid and go in there and get the kid out of Russia.

BlackNGold203
08-03-2006, 09:10 AM
I say we get a Special Forces Unit together headed by Sid and go in there and get the kid out of Russia.


LOL...with everything else going on in the world...no one will notice.....:cool:

X-Terminator
08-03-2006, 09:23 AM
I say we get a Special Forces Unit together headed by Sid and go in there and get the kid out of Russia.

:thumbsup: :salute:

I really hope the kid ends up coming here this season - A.O. managed to get out of his contract to come and play for the Caps last season, so I'm hoping Malkin does the same.

HometownGal
08-03-2006, 09:45 AM
Too bad Ronald Reagan is dirt-napping - we could use him right about now. :cool:

I really hope this can be all be ironed out and that Malkin can officially become a Penguin this season. Damned Russians!

83-Steelers-43
08-03-2006, 09:50 AM
"Mr. Putin, give us our draft pick"

I'm confident Malkin will be sporting a Pens jersey next season. I have been confident ever since Tretiak took over. But can the Russians just agree to the agreement? We are talking about hockey players, not nuclear arms.

HometownGal
08-03-2006, 10:15 AM
"Mr. Putin, give us our draft pick"

I'm confident Malkin will be sporting a Pens jersey next season. I have been confident ever since Tretiak took over. But can the Russians just agree to the agreement? We are talking about hockey players, not nuclear arms.

LOL! Maybe GWB could invite Putin to another good old Texas BBQ at the ranch and while they're slobbering rib sauce all over each other, he can tell Rutin-Putin to get off his ass and get in touch with the powers that be at the Federation and give us our guy, damn it. :cool:

I really hope Malkin can get over here this year. I think this kid is amazing and will be a tremendous asset to the team. Besides - I want to get a Malkin jersey, gosh darn it.

BlackNGold203
08-03-2006, 10:22 AM
LOL! Maybe GWB could invite Putin to another good old Texas BBQ at the ranch and while they're slobbering rib sauce all over each other, he can tell Rutin-Putin to get off his ass and get in touch with the powers that be at the Federation and give us our guy, damn it. :cool:

I really hope Malkin can get over here this year. I think this kid is amazing and will be a tremendous asset to the team. Besides - I want to get a Malkin jersey, gosh darn it.



Hmmmm....

Wonder what number he'll wear.......

X-Terminator
08-03-2006, 10:26 AM
Hmmmm....

Wonder what number he'll wear.......

Probably #17, which is what he wore at Magnitogorsk and in international play...

X-Terminator
08-03-2006, 10:34 AM
"Mr. Putin, give us our draft pick"

I'm confident Malkin will be sporting a Pens jersey next season. I have been confident ever since Tretiak took over. But can the Russians just agree to the agreement? We are talking about hockey players, not nuclear arms.

It's typical Russian greed, arrogance and hubris on display. The RHF obviously pressured Tretiak into rejecting the agreement because they think they can get more money by negotating directly with NHL teams, and that those teams will just fork over whatever they want. Bzzzt! Wrong! When they realize that they aren't going to put the NHL over a barrel and risk losing the oodles of cash they get for competing in international tournaments, they will sign the agreement.

HometownGal
08-03-2006, 11:25 AM
Hmmmm....

Wonder what number he'll wear.......

It definitely won't be #66 - Mario's number will be retired (again) at the start of the season. I'd like to see him wearing #88 or #86 - somewhere around Crosby's number.

X-Terminator
08-03-2006, 12:06 PM
Here is a story from the Trib today - it looks as if Malkin has indeed given his Russian team notice that he's leaving and will begin negotiations with the Pens. So it may turn out that he'll be over here after all :cool:


Pens, Malkin's agent opening talks
By Karen Price
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, August 3, 2006


No transfer deal, no problem.
Despite the Russian Ice Hockey Federation's refusal to sign a deal that would allow its players to leave for the NHL, the Penguins and Evgeni Malkin's agent are opening contract negotiations, and the top prospect should be in the lineup on opening night.

"The (NHL) announced that clubs would be free to sign players given that (Russia has) not been able to agree to a transfer agreement, and, as a result, we're going to move ahead and negotiate with Pittsburgh," Malkin's agent, Don Meehan, said Wednesday. "That's a priority for us now."

The NHL gave the Russian Ice Hockey Federation until Monday to sign a transfer deal that was negotiated and ratified in June after president Vladislav Tretiak and general director Sergey Arutyunyan traveled to the United States to meet with deputy commissioner Bill Daly and commissioner Gary Bettman.

Daly confirmed yesterday that they were moving ahead without Russia on board with the other European countries that signed the transfer agreement last summer.

"There is no longer a possibility of an agreement this year that will involve the Russian Federation joining our existing player transfer agreement," Daly said.

But, Daly added, that does not necessarily mean that Russian players cannot come to the NHL.

"If the player can secure his own release, either pursuant to the terms of his existing Russian contract or pursuant to applicable Russian law, NHL clubs will be free to sign such player, and the resulting NHL contract will be registered and approved as valid for play in the NHL," Daly said.

Malkin is under contract to his Russian team, Metallurg Magnitogorsk, through 2008. But a provision in Russian labor law allows employees to leave their jobs whether a contract exists or not after giving two weeks' written notice.

Malkin has already given such notice, Meehan said yesterday.

"We have followed the provision under that law, and we've given the appropriate notice," said Meehan, who said that he spoke with Penguins general manager Ray Shero yesterday. "Now, the next step after that would be to negotiate with Pittsburgh."

It turns out that Malkin is the primary reason why the Russians wouldn't sign the deal.

The existing transfer agreement between the IIHF and NHL calls for a fixed transfer fee of $200,000 for each player who leaves his European team for the NHL. Ultimately, that figure was simply not acceptable to the Russian Federation when it came to Malkin.

"Evgeni Malkin is a Russian hockey star," Arutyunyan said through a translator from the Federation yesterday. "We deem that the payment for his transfer has to be more than $200,000 dollars. But (the) NHL doesn't want to do that."

There is a chance that Magnitogorsk will attempt to sue either Malkin or the Penguins despite his notification that he is leaving.

"Russian clubs will have legal proceedings against NHL clubs in courts if NHL clubs sign contracts with Russian players who have valid contracts with Russian clubs," Arutyunyan said.

Last year, Washington Capitals rookie Alexander Ovechkin was sued by his former team in Russia, Moscow Dynamo, which tried to have the U.S. District Court in Washington enforce a Russian arbitration board's ruling that Ovechkin had to honor his contract through 2005-06.

But that lawsuit was dismissed by the judge, who ruled that his court did not have jurisdiction to enforce the Russian board's ruling.

"The fact that a Russian team may sue doesn't necessarily mean they have a valid claim," Daly said.

Meehan said he expects to negotiate the contract, which as an entry-level deal is capped at $984,200 plus bonuses under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, over the next week.

Malkin, 20, was the Penguins' top pick and the second pick overall in 2004. He is considered the best player outside of the NHL and last year was third in scoring in the Russian Elite League. He is expected to the Penguins' No. 2 center behind second-year star Sidney Crosby.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_464511.html

83-Steelers-43
08-03-2006, 05:28 PM
Lange will be Penguins radio play-by-play announcer
Thursday, August 03, 2006
By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mike Lange's 30-year tenure with the Penguins will continue.

Lange, fired June 29 as the television voice of the team, has agreed to terms with the club to be their radio broadcastser.

Lange was fired by FSN Pittsburgh, which holds the rights to the Penguins telecasts. The day he was fired the team offered him its radio job, which became vacant when Paul Steigerwald moved to Lange's old job on television. The Penguins own their own radio rights.

Joining Lange as color analyst will be Phil Bourque, who will enter his third season in the radio booth. Lange and Bourque likely will be broadcasting on a new flagship station. The Penguins games are expected to be moved from WWSW-FM (94.5) to WXDX-FM (105.9) next season. The games also will be heard on the AM dial at Fox Sports Radio 970.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06215/710855-100.stm

dhosmer
08-03-2006, 05:37 PM
Some Lange-isms: :smile:

Book 'em Dano

Buy Sam a drink and get his dog one too

Call Arnold Slick from Turtle Creek.

Donna needs a donut

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll.

Get that dog off my lawn

Go ahead....Make My Day.

Great balls of fire.

Hallejulah Hollywood.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee shoots and scores.

He doesn't know whether to cry or wind his watch.

He's smiling like a butcher's dog.

How much fried chicken can you eat?

I'll be cow kicked.

Ladies and Gentleman, Elvis has just left the building.

Let's go hunt some moose on a Harley.

Look out Loretta.

Michael, Michael Motorcycle.

Never teach a pig to sing.

Oh no, Eddy Spaghetti.

Scratch my back with a hacksaw.

She wants to sell my monkey.

Stop the press.

You ain't nothin' but a hound dog

You would have to be here to believe it.

That's an impressive list. One I'll never forget from the glory years - He beat him like a rented mule!

X-Terminator
08-07-2006, 11:51 AM
Well, Malkin has changed his mind and has decided to stay in Russia this season. To say that I'm extremely disappointed and downright pissed would be an understatement. :pissed: :mad:


MOSCOW -- Russian teenager Evgeni Malkin will not play in the National Hockey League this season after agreeing to a new contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk.

Metallurg said that Malkin, the Pittsburgh Penguins' No. 1 pick in 2004, had annulled his previous contract with the Russian Superleague club, which would have kept him in Magnitogorsk through April 2008. Instead, he has agreed to a new one-year deal after which he will become a free agent.

Malkin, who has never played for Pittsburgh, had stated his desire to join the NHL this year, saying he wanted to prove himself at a higher level.

His agent said that the Russian, who turned 20 last week, had even signed an entry-level contract with the Penguins.

But Metallurg said that meeting club president Viktor Rashnikov Malkin had changed his mind.

Metallurg had no intention of releasing its most prized asset after Russia refused to sign a transfer agreement with the NHL last week.

Under the old agreement Magnitogorsk would have received a basic $200,000 fee for Malkin while his Russian club wanted at least 10 times more.

The talented center, who has already been compared with Pittsburgh owner, the great Mario Lemieux, has been the most sought-after player by the NHL this year.

Pittsburgh drafted Malkin second overall in 2004 behind fellow Russian Alexander Ovechkin, who took the NHL by storm last season, winning the Calder Trophy as the best rookie.

The Penguins wanted to unite Malkin with another teenage sensation Sydney Crosby, who finished second behind Ovechkin in the voting for rookie of the year award.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2542025

83-Steelers-43
08-07-2006, 01:51 PM
Again I find myself not really sure what to make of this whole thing. The majority of the time I found myself very confident in Malkin's debut this year. The whole "two week notice" statement was complete B.S. in my opinion. If that was the case we could have had this kid a long time ago. If this ends up playing out this way, definitively for this year, then I think it probably came down to Malkin not wanting to leave on bad terms.

What I really don't get is Velichkin's actions in this whole thing. On the surface, this appears to be some kind of compromise that allows Malkin to give another year to Mettalurg and then be free to pursue his goals in the NHL on good terms, but I just do not trust Velichkin. Even if Russia got a more favorable transfer agreement offered to them, their supposed goal was to improve their league, so you would think Velichkin is going to continue to do everything in his power to keep Malkin as long as possible.

This also brings me to question whether there was actually any kind of handshake agreement that Malkin could leave when he wanted. If there was, further reason to not trust Velichkin. If there wasn't, maybe he will actually let Malkin go when he wants. His statements about this whole situation have been a little unsettling, and I don't really think he has ever committed himself to one line of thinking or another. Furthermore I don't really think the RHFs motives have ever been very clear in all of this.

Something about this contract business just doesn't feel right. Mettalurg does not want to let him go for nothing now, but is willing to let him go for nothing next year? I'll believe it when I see it.

No matter what does happen, if Malkin ends up staying, Brisson better be smart enough to have him serve his "military" duties, because that is one card that hasn't been pulled in all of this yet.

X-Terminator
08-08-2006, 09:01 AM
The latest article in this ongoing saga, saying that Malkin may still come over despite this latest "contract signing," and has once again changed agents. I'm at the point now where I wish they would make a decision one way or the other, because all of this drama has gotten to be ridiculous. Or better yet, let's use that idea about sending over a team of special forces led by Sidney Crosby to take out the Russian mob, because they're really the ones behind all of this.


PITTSBURGH (AP) - Evgeni Malkin still wants to play for the Pittsburgh Penguins as soon as possible, his agent said Monday, even though Malkin's Russian team announced the star forward has renegotiated his contract and plans to stay out of the NHL for another season.

Russian super league team Metallurg Magnitogorsk posted a story Monday on its Web site that Malkin met late into Sunday night with team officials and had reworked a three-year contract into a one-year deal that would allow him to become a free agent in 2007.
However, Malkin's agent, JP Barry, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that Malkin told him he wants to play in the NHL this season. Malkin also has been quoted in Russia as saying he wants to play in Pittsburgh soon.

"His wish is to play in the NHL, and in Pittsburgh," Barry said. "We will continue to talk to him about his future, and we will decide the best course for him at this time."

Malkin's agents, Barry and Pat Brisson, apparently were not with him in Russia during his talks with Metallurg.

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said the team was aware of the Russian team's announcement, but had no comment until it could sort out what was going on.

Malkin was the No. 2 pick in the June 2004 draft behind last season's rookie of the year, fellow Russian Alexander Ovechkin, and is widely considered the best player in the world not playing in the NHL. The Penguins have been planning for Malkin to join them next month, especially after the Russian hockey federation said it would sign a transfer agreement allowing its players to move to the NHL for a $200,000 fee that would be split by all the Russian teams.

The other major European hockey federations already follow the transfer agreement. Russia did not do so last season, thus blocking Malkin from joining the Penguins a year ago.

But the Russian federation didn't sign the agreement despite considerable lobbying by new president Vladislav Tretiak, apparently because of considerable pressure from top Russian clubs that want to negotiate much higher transfer fees for star players such as Malkin. Malkin's club is believed to want $2 million or more for Malkin's rights.

Also complicating the issue is Malkin's repeated switching of agents. Until June, he was represented by Barry and Brisson, who also represent Penguins star Sidney Crosby. Malkin then hired Don Meehan, who was giving interviews as Malkin's agent until late last week. However, Malkin rehired Barry and Brisson within the last few days.

Meehan said last week that the 20-year-old Malkin could circumvent his Russian contract and leave to play for the Penguins by simply resigning his job and giving the team a two-week notice that he was leaving. Russian law apparently permits such resignations, even if a contract is in place.

Malkin's new agents are believed to be exploring using the same loophole to get Malkin into the NHL this season.

The Penguins have been counting on getting Malkin to join a mostly youthful team that already includes Crosby, who had 102 points as an 18-year-old rookie, and Jordan Staal, the No. 2 pick in the recent NHL draft. The team showed video of Malkin playing in the Olympics on its scoreboard during late-season home games this year in an effort to boost season ticket sales.

Malkin led Metallurg with 47 points, including 21 goals, in 46 games last season. He also was one of the top players in the Olympics, with two goals and six points for Russia.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/5852720

SteelCityMan786
08-08-2006, 09:31 AM
Hopefully Evgeni gets over here soon. I really want to see him play in the Black and Gold This year. GET THE JOB DONE PENGUINS!!!

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2006, 10:24 AM
Well, the only FA centers on the market now are.........

Jason Allison (31), Yanic Perreault (35), Trevor Linden (36), Jan Hrdina (30), Greg Johnson (35), Jim Dowd (37), Boyd Devereaux (27), Erik Rasmussen (29) and Clarke Wilm (29).

IF they're sure that Malkin will be here after this season...,

I'd almost rather see them look to someone already in house (Malone, probably). At the very least, I'd rather see them explore a short-term solution rather than give up something significant to get someone like Gomez who many would like to see grab from the Devils, (And I won't even discuss the fact that it's going to take a lot more than a marginal defenseman and a marginal prospect to get a player like Gomez. I understand they may have to move him, but LL isn't going to take pennies on the dollar like that. He'll find someone who has a prospect or two that fits their system and make a deal there.)

If you're going to bring someone in from the outside, it doesn't make any sense to me to get someone who would factor into the depth chart on the top two lines past this year. That's why I'd nix the Gomez idea. I'd rather spend the money on someone who can be had for a one-year, low-cost deal - someone like Greg Johnson or Yanic Perrault. I'll pass on Jason Allison (his injuries worry me) and I'm not sure about Hrdina. He had confidence issues back when Hlinka and Kehoe were coaching. I can't imagine he'd do too well under Therrien.

X-Terminator
08-09-2006, 10:38 AM
Well, the only FA centers on the market now are.........

Jason Allison (31), Yanic Perreault (35), Trevor Linden (36), Jan Hrdina (30), Greg Johnson (35), Jim Dowd (37), Boyd Devereaux (27), Erik Rasmussen (29) and Clarke Wilm (29).

IF they're sure that Malkin will be here after this season...,

I'd almost rather see them look to someone already in house (Malone, probably). At the very least, I'd rather see them explore a short-term solution rather than give up something significant to get someone like Gomez who many would like to see grab from the Devils, (And I won't even discuss the fact that it's going to take a lot more than a marginal defenseman and a marginal prospect to get a player like Gomez. I understand they may have to move him, but LL isn't going to take pennies on the dollar like that. He'll find someone who has a prospect or two that fits their system and make a deal there.)

If you're going to bring someone in from the outside, it doesn't make any sense to me to get someone who would factor into the depth chart on the top two lines past this year. That's why I'd nix the Gomez idea. I'd rather spend the money on someone who can be had for a one-year, low-cost deal - someone like Greg Johnson or Yanic Perrault. I'll pass on Jason Allison (his injuries worry me) and I'm not sure about Hrdina. He had confidence issues back when Hlinka and Kehoe were coaching. I can't imagine he'd do too well under Therrien.

Well, there is a story where Sergei Gonchar has said that Malkin told him he was staying in Russia for one more year - I'll post the link here. So we know for sure that he will be here next season, and therefore we only need someone for this year only. There's no way they'll go after Gomez and his $5 million salary, so those who are hoping the Pens grab him are barking up the wrong tree, plus they really haven't been paying attention to the situation at hand. There isn't much left out there right now, but I personally would take a chance on Allison for a 1-year deal similar to what the Stars offered Eric Lindros. I've wanted Perreault from the beginning for his faceoff prowess alone, so I wouldn't be against that either. But more than likely, Malone will be moved to center and they'll probably keep Michel Ouellet on the right wing rather than bring in a Carter or Sykora, who to my surprise are still on the market. But one way or the other, we're screwed this season with Malkin staying over in Russia, thanks to the friggin Russian mob.

Here's the link to the Gonchar comments:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_465311.html

SteelCityMan786
08-09-2006, 11:07 AM
I'd take Hrdina back. Would be nice to see some old blood get a fresh start with one of his old teams.(reffering to 83's post with the FA's left on the market)

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2006, 05:02 PM
I'd like to take Dumont off of Buffalo's hands if we are willing to pay him $2.9 (at least that's what he was awarded). Should be interesting to see what Shero does.

X-Terminator
08-10-2006, 09:57 AM
I'd like to take Dumont off of Buffalo's hands if we are willing to pay him $2.9 (at least that's what he was awarded). Should be interesting to see what Shero does.

I would not be opposed to bringing in Dumont, but not at $2.9 million primarily because of injury concerns he's had over the past couple of seasons. If he's willing to take around what Recchi's getting, then sign him up.

Petesburgh66
08-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Where's Malkin? He is gone.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=174058&hubname=

TSN.ca Staff

8/12/2006 4:34:54 PM

It appears the future of Evgeni Malkin has taken another bizarre twist.

According to Reuters, the Russian news agency Itar-Tass is reporting that Malkin has left his Russian club Metallurg Magnitogorsk during training camp in Finland.

Malkin, who was drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins second overall in 2004 behind Alexander Ovechkin, reportedly disappeared, taking his belongings and passport with him. Earlier this week, the Russian star reworked his two-year contract with Metallurg Magnitogorsk and agreed to a new one-year deal.

Malkin has made no secret of his wishes to play with the Penguins in the National Hockey League. But the Russian Ice Hockey Federation has yet to sign a transfer deal with the NHL and Malkin has found himself in the middle of the impasse.

The previous transfer agreement would have seen Metallurg Magnitogorsk receive just $200,000 in exchange for Malkin.

There has been no shortage of drama since Malkin decided to stay in Russia last season. J.P. Barry has confirmed to TSN that he and Pat Brisson have taken over the hockey management side of IMG, whom Malkin fired in June, and Malkin has left Don Meehan and returned to be represented by Barry and Brisson.

"His wish is to play in the NHL, and in Pittsburgh," Barry told the AP. "We will continue to talk to him about his future, and we will decide the best course for him at this time."

A premier offensive talent, Malkin led Magnitogork with 47 points in 46 games last season. The 6-foot-3 pivot was expected, along with phenom Sidney Crosby, to give the Penguins an elite one-two punch down the middle.

He pulled a Alexander Mogliny here to get out of Russia.

83-Steelers-43
09-07-2006, 09:45 AM
Penguins talking to two bidders
Thursday, September 07, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



With Sam Fingold still trying to iron out details to reach a purchase agreement, the Penguins have contacted at least two other original bidders for the team, sources close to the sale process said yesterday.

The team also has changed its approach about slots money for a new arena, telling the bidders they should base their offers on the "Plan B" funding, rather than counting on getting $290 million from Isle of Capri should that gaming company get the city's slots casino license.

Jim Renacci, a Ringgold High School graduate and now Ohio mayor and businessman, and New York businessman Andrew Murstein, whose investment group includes Western Pennsylvania sports figures Mark Cuban and Dan Marino, apparently are back in the running to buy the Penguins.

It was unclear whether a fourth bidder, Hartford real estate developer Lawrence Gottesdiener, is still involved.

Fingold, a Toronto native and Hartford real estate developer, trumped the other three in late July when he signed a letter of intent to negotiate exclusively with the Penguins. His bid was about $175 million, but there are sticking points involving money and other business matters.

Fingold had talked with Kansas City about bringing a team to its new arena but said at the time he signed the letter of intent that his priority was to try to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

Renacci, who owns an Arena Football team in Columbus, had the low bid of the four finalists, around $150 million. Murstein, president of Medallion Corp., was believed to be close to $170 million. Both have said they are determined to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh, where the team's lease at aged Mellon Arena expires in June and there is no ironclad plan for a new venue.

"My commitment to keeping the team in Pittsburgh has never changed through the whole process, and I would not be interested in moving it," Renacci said yesterday in an e-mail interview. "I have always assumed that I would have to work with the current 'Plan B' process."

Murstein was not available for comment.

The Penguins formed a partnership with Isle of Capri, which has agreed to pay $290 million toward a new facility if it is awarded the city's slots license.

Local and state officials devised an alternate funding plan should Forest City/Harrah's or PITG Gaming get the slots license that calls for money up front and yearly payments from the Penguins, as well as yearly payments from the winning gaming company and the state.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06250/719719-61.stm

BlackNGold203
09-07-2006, 10:06 AM
And the saga continues......

X-Terminator
09-07-2006, 04:33 PM
Oy...you know, now I wish they would just get it over with, though I am glad things are stalling out with Fingold. If it does fall through, could it be possible for them to take Renacci's bid, even though it is the lowest, if he is putting up more cash up front?

HometownGal
09-09-2006, 01:19 PM
I just got back a little while ago from the Rookie Skate held down at Mellon Arena. It was great watching the guys going through their drills and line formations - we have a lot of very good prospects out there. Noah Welch looked awesome, as did Jordan Stahl. :bouncy:

The highlight of the morning was watching Evegni Malkin live and in person. He is big, strong, fast and wow can he skate.....very smooth. He has very long legs and gets an extremely fast jump on the puck. His passes were very good and in summation, all I can say is - we Pens fans are in for a very exciting season! When he came out of the tunnel, we all cheered him and he smiled brightly. Whenever he would put the puck in the net, we gave him more accolades! He is going to bring so much to this hockey club!

Here's a picture from today's skate of our newest star!! Go suck an egg, Russia - he's OURS!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/PGHLADYmlg/EvegniMalkin.jpg

cbalke
09-10-2006, 03:32 PM
nice! wish i still lived close enough to come down for stuff like that.... :(

83-Steelers-43
09-14-2006, 10:26 AM
Penguins focus on sale to one of four entities
New letter of intent due soon
Thursday, September 14, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins are moving forward in their search for a buyer for the team and could be close to signing a new letter of intent, several sources close to the sales process said yesterday.

The hockey team, owned in part by Hall of Fame player Mario Lemieux, appears to be focused on one of four entities -- Sam Fingold, a Hartford real-estate developer who signed a letter of intent for exclusive negotiating rights in late July but has not been able to reach a purchase agreement; finalist bidders Andrew Murstein and Jim Renacci, or the secretive Canadian person or group that was close to signing a letter of intent in mid-July.

At least one of those entities has been closely reviewing the organization's operations.

It's believed Lawrence Gottesdiener, another Hartford real-estate developer who was a finalist bidder in July, has fallen out of the picture.

Fingold's bid was about $175 million, similar to the earlier one made by the Canadian bidder. Murstein, a New York business owner, and Renacci, an Ohio businessman and Ringgold High School graduate, came in at lower numbers.

The Canadian entity has been linked by Canadian newspapers to Jim Balsillie, chairman of Ontario-based Research in Motion, the firm that makes wireless BlackBerry devices. Balsillie told a woman who answered the phone at his home that he did not want to comment.

In July, the Canadian bidder backed out of signing a letter of intent at the last moment because it became clear the Penguins could not freely be moved to another city. That bidder apparently was eyeing Hamilton, Ontario.

Any sale has to be approved by the NHL, which might be reluctant to green-light anyone intent on moving the club. Under Bylaw 36, the league can block a transfer as long as there is a viable plan to replace obsolete Mellon Arena.

The Penguins have a partnership with gaming company Isle of Capri Casinos, which has promised to donate $290 million toward a new facility if it gets the city's slots license to be awarded later this year.

If one of the other two finalists for the slots license -- Forest City/Harrah's and PITG Gaming -- prevails, state and local officials have proposed a "Plan B" for arena funding that relies on gaming money, state money and contributions from the Penguins.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06257/721722-61.stm

X-Terminator
09-14-2006, 05:50 PM
I don't understand - if Fingold couldn't get a deal done, how is he still in the running? You'd think that would pretty much put him out of the picture.

I got a 10 spot that says they end up being sold to that Canadian bidder who has every intention of moving the team. That would truly be a sad day for hockey in Pittsburgh.

83-Steelers-43
09-15-2006, 10:33 AM
Alrighty then. Scratch that. It's not Fingold, it's Balsillie......

Canadian top bidder in hunt for Penguins
Friday, September 15, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

If you are among the millions of people who can't live without one of the ubiquitous wireless BlackBerry devices, then you know why Jim Balsillie is a multimillionaire.

Balsillie, chairman and co-CEO of Research in Motion, the company based in Waterloo, Ontario, that makes the BlackBerry, has emerged as the latest frontrunner to buy the Penguins, two sources with knowledge of the sale process said yesterday.

His second pursuit of the hockey team is the latest development in what has been a roller-coaster ride the past several months as fans have waited to see who buys the club and whether the new owner intends to keep it in Pittsburgh.

Balsillie, who has declined comment, was the secretive Canadian bidder who nearly signed a letter of intent with the Penguins in mid-July. He backed out when he realized it wouldn't be simple to move the team. It's believed he wanted to relocate it to Hamilton, Ontario, which is near Waterloo.

After that, four other prospective owners staged a bidding war. Hartford real-estate developer Sam Fingold prevailed and signed a letter of intent in late July, but was not able to reach a purchase agreement with the Penguins, who are owned in part by Hall of Fame player Mario Lemieux.

Fingold and two other bidders -- New York businessman Andrew Murstein and Ohio businessman and Ringgold High School graduate Jim Renacci -- remain involved and interested, but Balsillie has moved ahead of them.

His earlier offer was in the range of $175 million to $180 million.

It's not known why Balsillie re-emerged or what his intentions would be if he is successful in buying the Penguins.

A new owner would be bound to the team's arrangement with Isle of Capri Gaming, which will donate $290 million toward a new arena if it is awarded the city's slots license later this year.

If Forest City/Harrah's or PITG Gaming land the city's slots license, there is a proposed "Plan B" for arena funding that draws on slots and state money as well as contributions from the Penguins.

The team's lease at Mellon Arena expires in June, and Penguins officials maintain they need a new venue to be viable in Pittsburgh.

Under NHL Bylaw 36, the league can block a move to another city if there is a plan to make a team viable. The league also must approve any sale.

An attempt to relocate a team to Hamilton could be met with strong resistance from officials of teams in nearby Buffalo and Toronto.

It seems clear that Balsillie, a native of Peterborough, is entrenched in southern Ontario.

According to RIM's Web site, Balsillie has been the chairman and co-CEO since 1992 and is involved in several community and charitable projects. He's also a sports enthusiast who plays hockey and golf and competes in triathlons.

Balsillie joined RIM following jobs with Prudential Bache Securities, Ernst & Young, and Southerland Schultz Inc. He has a bachelor's degree from the University of Toronto and an MBA from Harvard.

The popularity of BlackBerrys has fueled RIM's explosive growth. The company posted profits of nearly $130 million in its fiscal first quarter that ended in June, up more than six-fold from one previous year on sales that rose more than 9 percent to $613.1 million. In the just-ended quarter, RIM said it expects to report profits to be higher and for sales to fall in the $620 million to $650 million range.

It also expects to have added about 700,000 subscribers, pushing the number of BlackBerry customers to more than six million.

RIM got out of a jam last year when it settled for $612.5 million with a Virginia company that claimed the BlackBerry infringed on its patents. A judge had threatened to suspend BlackBerry service in the United States.

At the time, Balsillie said of the settlement, "There's no question we took one for the team."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06258/722032-61.stm

X-Terminator
09-15-2006, 10:41 AM
Looks like I'd have won that $10...

Well folks, enjoy Penguins hockey at the Arena this year, because this will be the last time you will get your chance. This Canadian bidder will do everything in his power to undermine the whole new arena process and move the team, just like Fingold would have. Yes, I know about bylaws and potential blockage by the Sabres and Leafs, but palms can be greased and wallets lined with cash to make things happen.

A sad, sad day for hockey if this guy buys the team.

83-Steelers-43
09-15-2006, 10:51 AM
At this point, at least for me, it's impossible to put blame on anybody or to state which bidder is better for keeping the team in Pittsburgh when all is said and done. The details of these dealings are very, very shady.

Murstein, Fingold and Balsillie have all stated in the past that they wouldn't mind moving the team out of Pittsburgh. It's not as if we have one ownership group coming out to the media and stating "No matter what we are keeping this hockey team in the city of Pittsburgh.". Tell you the truth, I don't know what to think of this whole situation because the details are very murky.

I will say this though. I don't see the Penguins being moved to Hamilton for the simple fact that Buffalo and Toronto would have something to say about that because of the close proximity. Buffalo in particular since they just got out of bankruptcy.

cbalke
09-15-2006, 02:16 PM
man...this just ain't cool.

i'm glad it didn't happen a few years back, though. would've been really weird to keep hearing about the portland penguins.

maybe things will work out and they'll be able to stay. we can sure hope....

HometownGal
09-15-2006, 04:11 PM
I'm with 83 on this one - I really don't know what to think here, as there are obviously things that the general public and the media aren't being told. I am not going to be a happy lady if the Pens are moved to Hamilton or anywhere else, though Hamilton, Ontario is my birthplace and I have friends in the area. I know Mario and Co. want to get as much cashola for the team as they can, as good and responsible businessmen do, but I just can't fathom the idea that Mario would even consider this, as he knows better than anyone how much we love our Pens here in the Burgh, how much we supported them last season and the potential for record crowds this season with Evegni's long-awaited arrival. I can't believe Mario would do this to all of us who welcomed him with open arms at the beginning of his career, loved him, supported him in his time of crisis and continue to support this team. :shake01:

83-Steelers-43
09-15-2006, 06:06 PM
This is the reason why I take this whole situation with a grain of salt and try not to jump to conclusions....


RIM boss denies he's buying NHL's Penguins
Pittsburgh newspaper says Ballsillie is front-runner to take over
By MATT WALCOFF RECORD STAFF
WATERLOO

Research In Motion Ltd. co-chief executive officer Jim Balsillie this morning denied a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article that says he wants to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team.

The Post-Gazette quoted unnamed sources familiar with the sale process as saying Balsillie is the front runner to buy the team from the current owners, who have been soliciting bids.

The story also says Balsillie tried to buy the team in July for $175 million to $180 million US with the intention of moving them to Hamilton.

Balsillie has long denied any intention to buy the Penguins, and he did so again today when shown the Post-Gazette article.

"No; it's not true," he told The Record at a conference at the Center for International Governance Innovation.

For more than two years, Balsillie has denied rumours and reports that he is seeking to buy an National Hockey League team.

He surmised the rumours arise from his acquaintance with Mario Lemieux, the former Penguins star and co-owner of the team.

http://www.therecord.com/breakingnews/breakingnews_6096008.html

Stillers#1
09-15-2006, 08:21 PM
With Crosby and Malkin in the fold, this whole thing just depresses me.

HometownGal
09-16-2006, 04:17 PM
XT and I attended the second day of open practice for the Pens down at Mellon Arena. What a treat! We sat a few rows back right behind the Pens bench and got to see all of the action up close. :cool:

Overall, the team as a whole looked pretty darned good. The players were divided into two teams - black and white - and all 4 goalies presently on the roster (Fleury, Thibault, Penner and Sabourin) played fairly well, though Fleury still hasn't mastered playing the puck all too well just yet and Thibault was flopping a bit prematurely. Malkin continued to wow the crowd with his overall skill level and is just amazing! :bouncy: Sid the Kid also looked pretty dominant, as did Recchi, Malone, Talbot, and Ruutu (bad mofo!) and Exton. The Pens paired up Gonchar and Eaton and they appear to be a pretty dynamic duo. Noah Welch, Jordan Staal, Daniel Carcillo and Micki DuPoint looked very promising, as well.

The top 2 lines seem to have been determined - Exton, Crosby and Armstrong on the front line and Recchi, Malkin and Ruutu on the second line and both lines looked very good. I believe the Pens are going to have a kick-ass PP this season and finally we have some definite physical presence! Malkin takes no crap, either - LOL!

We left feeling very excited about the upcoming season and strongly believe that this team is finally headed in the right direction. LETS GO PENS! :banana:

X-Terminator
09-16-2006, 10:45 PM
Yeah, we really had a blast! The line combinations surprised me only a little bit - I didn't expect them to put Malone with Malkin and Recchi, but it looks pretty good to me! And what can you say about Malkin? The kid is the real deal, no question about it. I'm still a little concerned about the defense and I'm praying that the goalie coach will work extensively with both Fleury and Thibault to get them righted and ready to go - in fact, the goalie coach was going one-on-one with Thibault most of the time. It's early in camp, of course, and they haven't played a game yet, but things looked pretty smooth overall today. I really can't wait until the season starts - we may not make the playoffs, but it'll be pretty exciting to watch nonetheless!

Lyn
09-16-2006, 11:20 PM
Sounds like you 2 really enjoyed it and that is great! Hockey season is a very long season, even longer if you know nada about it, which I don't LOL:)

83-Steelers-43
09-16-2006, 11:39 PM
If Therrien is sticking with the Malone/Crosby/Recchi line, Malone is going to have to learn how to play a full season of hockey. I like the line if it's the Ryan Malone of 03-04 and not the Ryan Malone of 05-06.

While he basically put up the same numbers during both of those seasons, his will and determination was nonexistent for the first half of last season. If I recall correctly, he also came into camp last season completely out of shape and a season full of trade rumors (Toronto) which never panned out.

This is a step in the right direction: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_470923.html

83-Steelers-43
09-16-2006, 11:54 PM
As for the defense. Good article in the Trib this morning...

Savard in charge of Pens' defense

By Karen Price
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 17, 2006


The first time Penguins general manager Ray Shero mentioned Andre Savard as a candidate for the team's assistant coaching job, coach Michel Therrien's reaction was that Savard already had a job.

Savard, the general manager of the Montreal Canadiens when Therrien was the coach there, was serving as the team's assistant GM under Bob Gainey.

But Shero, who knew Savard from their days working for the Ottawa Senators, told Therrien he still thought they could get Savard. Provided, of course, that Therrien was fine with that arrangement.

After all, it was Savard who fired Therrien in January 2003.

"I said, 'Didn't he fire you?' And (Therrien) said, 'Yeah, he fired me. But we had a great relationship," Shero said. "Listen, that's how it goes. If we could get Andre Savard, that would be great. He was really enthusiastic about it."

The Penguins did get Savard, hiring him July 3 as an assistant to Therrien and Mike Yeo. The 53-year-old former center hasn't coached in the NHL since he was an assistant to Jacques Martin with the Senators in 1999-2000. Since that time, he's been the Canadiens' director of player personnel, GM, assistant GM and general manager of their minor-league affiliate, the Hamilton Bulldogs.

Now, in his return to the bench, Savard is charged with turning around a defense that allowed 316 goals last year, more than any other NHL team, and a penalty-killing unit that finished the season ranked 29th out of 30 teams.

"A lot of improvement this year, I think, comes from the coaching staff," Shero said. "Not to put undue pressure on them, but let's be realistic. You can't just always go out and get new players all the time. Part of the improvement is going to come from within. That's the way it's got to be with this organization. You can't go outside and start trading for this guy, signing that guy. Improvement's got to come from within."

Shero was limited, in terms of upgrading the Penguins' defense, after he took the job in May. He already had Sergei Gonchar, Eric Cairns, Rob Scuderi, Josef Melichar and Ryan Whitney under contract, and Brooks Orpik was a restricted free agent. It didn't leave much room for change.

This year, the Penguins will have those six players plus Mark Eaton, whom Shero signed as a free agent, and, presumably, rookie Noah Welch.

It is essentially the same defense as last year. Although there is more experience, it is still a young defense.

Savard said it's too early for him to make any kind of evaluation of the team's blueliners, but he does believe they performed much better at the end of last season than they did at the beginning.

In the Penguins' last 25 games of 2005-06, they allowed 86 goals for an average of 3.44 per game, compared to 230 goals for an average of 4.04 in the first 57 games.

"(Therrien and Yeo) brought in their system, and they have a good system," Savard said. "They improved that situation the last 20 games. This year, the players know more of the system. It seems to me everyone's buying in, and, collectively, it makes you a better team."

Having a coach who was once fired by the assistant coach could make for an awkward situation, but both Therrien and Savard say things between them are fine.

"I did renegotiate his contract twice, without him asking," Savard said, smiling. "(Therrien) did a good job. We had a tough situation in Montreal. But the relationship has always been good."

Therrien went so far as to call Savard "a perfect match" for the organization.

"It's important to have a guy with a lot of NHL experience, and we needed to find a guy I felt comfortable to work with, and Ray felt comfortable to work with and I knew his background," Therrien said. "We kept a good relationship. It's not like we didn't talk for two or three years. We're still good friends and understand it's a business sometimes."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_470924.html

83-Steelers-43
09-17-2006, 01:22 AM
Mayor pushes Penguins on Plan B
Ravenstahl clarifies position on arena in letter to team
Sunday, September 17, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, who endorsed the Isle of Capri casino plan for arena funding earlier this year as City Council president, is now also backing the "Plan B" alternative and hopes the Penguins will, too.

"My objective is to retain the Penguins in Pittsburgh, evident from my early support and endorsement of the Isle of Capri proposal," Mr. Ravenstahl wrote in a letter dated Friday and addressed to Penguins Chief Executive Officer Ken Sawyer.

"We must recognize, however, that the Isle of Capri proposal does not guarantee the Penguins will remain in Pittsburgh since it is unknown whether the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board will award the slots license to Isle of Capri."

The letter then called on the Penguins to commit to Plan B even if Isle of Capri does not get the slots license "just as you have asked for, and received, my commitment to the Isle of Capri proposal."

The proposed Plan B blueprint for building an arena draws on slots and state money as well as contributions from the Penguins.

A Penguins spokesman said yesterday that the team had no comment because it has not yet received the mayor's letter.

Team officials have repeatedly stated their belief that the Isle of Capri plan is by far the best for the hockey franchise and the community, and that their contract with Isle of Capri prohibits them from getting involved with Plan B negotiations.

The Penguins' agreement with Isle of Capri stipulates that the gaming company will donate $290 million toward construction of a new arena if it is awarded the city's slots license later this year or early next year. The team probably would be responsible for construction cost overruns.

The team's lease at Mellon Arena expires in June, and Penguins officials maintain they need a new venue to be viable in Pittsburgh.

Mr. Ravenstahl could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, who said he spoke with Mr. Ravenstahl, described the letter as an affirmation that the new mayor is "on the same page that [late Mayor] Bob O'Connor and I were on. When Luke and I spoke, obviously, it was one of the top items as a key priority for the region."

Mr. Ravenstahl became mayor after Mr. O'Connor's death Sept. 1.

"No matter who gets the slots license, we have a scenario for a new arena," Mr. Onorato said. "We understand the Penguins' contractual obligation [with Isle of Capri], but if Isle of Capri doesn't win it, there's no reason the Penguins or the new owners can't honor Plan B.

"We're telling them, 'If Isle of Capri wins, we know you're staying. If not, we have a plan. You should be prepared to sign a long-term lease at a new arena under either scenario.' "

Mr. Onorato said he and Mr. Ravenstahl plan to discuss the arena and Penguins issue publicly later this week.

Gov. Ed Rendell proposed the Plan B alternative in case one of the other two finalists for the city's slots license -- Forest City/Harrah's or PITG Gaming -- prevails.

Plan B calls for the Penguins to make an initial payment of $8.5 million, commit to paying $2.9 million a year for 30 years and forgo $1.1 million a year in naming rights. Forest City/Harrah's and PITG Gaming have agreed to contribute $7.5 million a year if they end up running the city's slots parlor. The state would provide $7 million a year from a slots-backed development fund.

The state has also given the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority $26.5 million for site acquisition and preparation.

Mr. Ravenstahl's letter states that the Penguins' impending sale makes the arena issues "timely and critically important."

The letter makes it clear that Mr. Ravenstahl thinks Plan B can work.

"In my opinion, Plan B is a highly competitive offer," Mr. Ravenstahl's letter said. "The marketplace recognizes its competitiveness, given the level of interest expressed by potential buyers who have committed to staying in Pittsburgh and participating in it. The fact that the Penguins are in receipt of offers that would make the transaction among the most lucrative ever for an NHL franchise is a credit to you, the Isle of Capri proposal and Plan B."

The Penguins announced in January that the team is for sale and have had offers for up to $180 million but have not reached a purchase agreement.

Four current or previous bidders have stated a preference for keeping the team, or attempting to keep the team, in Pittsburgh, but there also has been interest in moving the hockey team to Kansas City, Mo.; Hamilton, Ontario or other cities.

Ontario businessman Jim Balsillie is the front-runner to strike a deal for the Penguins, but it is not known what the sale price would be.

A buyer would be bound to the Isle of Capri deal and therefore obligated to keep the team in this city if that company gets the slots license.

A buyer would not be bound to participate in Plan B.

Mr. Onorato said he has not talked to Mr. Balsillie or any representative of his but has spoken "to the other [bidders] on and off."

Mr. O'Connor also kept in touch with at least a couple of bidders and the Penguins, and Mr. Ravenstahl wants to maintain that communication.

Copies of the mayor's letter were sent to Mr. Rendell, Mr. Onorato, City Council President Doug Shields, sports authority Executive Director Mary Conturo and city Urban Redevelopment Authority Executive Director Jerome Dettore.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06260/722559-61.stm

HometownGal
09-17-2006, 08:45 AM
The line combinations surprised me only a little bit - I didn't expect them to put Malone with Malkin and Recchi, but it looks pretty good to me!

My mistake. Speaking of Ruutu, he is one mean looking SOB - I half expected to see an "I Am a Bastard" tatoo on his forehead. :sofunny:

Where was Petrovicky? I expected to see him there - was looking forward to watching him.

83-Steelers-43
09-17-2006, 11:55 AM
Where was Petrovicky? I expected to see him there - was looking forward to watching him.

He is out indefinately after hip surgery.

HometownGal
09-17-2006, 02:01 PM
He is out indefinately after hip surgery.

Thanks, 83. Do you know anything about Eric Cairns? He wasn't on the ice yesterday either.

83-Steelers-43
09-17-2006, 02:03 PM
Thanks, 83. Do you know anything about Eric Cairns? He wasn't on the ice yesterday either.

Ankle injury. No news on his status.

83-Steelers-43
09-20-2006, 07:47 PM
Malkin injured in first NHL exhibition game
Wednesday, September 20, 2006

The Associated Press

MONCTON, New Brunswick -- Evgeni Malkin was injured in his first NHL exhibition game tonight when he collided with Penguins teammate John LeClair early in the second period against Philadelphia.

The rookie Russian center was taken to a hospital for further evaluation, the team announced. Penguins veteran winger Mark Recchi also was sent to hospital after he was hit with a high stick in the first period.

Malkin had just finished making a dazzling pass to LeClair when the veteran winger, after missing a great scoring chance, crashed into the boards behind the net and took out Malkin in the process. The Russian catapulted over LeClair and landed hard on the ice. A hush came over the crowd at Moncton Coliseum as Malkin, the No. 2 overall pick behind Alexander Ovechkin in 2004, lay sprawled on the ice for 3-4 minutes.

Malkin got up and skated off the ice but was favoring his left arm. He headed straight to the dressing room. There was no immediate word on his condition.

Malkin had an assist on Sergei Gonchar's first-period goal and also displayed a pair of sensational inside-out moves later in the opening period.

Malkin, 20, was making his much-anticipated debut after his controversial departure from Russia, a matter that remains in the hands of lawyers on both sides of the ocean because he signed a contract with Russian club Metallurg Magnitogorsk before also signing a three-year deal with the Penguins.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06263/723655-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
09-20-2006, 07:51 PM
He landed face first on the ice (blood visible). He got up, hunched over and was holding his left arm (in place it seemed). It doesn't look good.

SteelCityMan786
09-20-2006, 07:57 PM
That wasn't pretty.

83-Steelers-43
09-20-2006, 08:53 PM
At this point, I was just happy to see the kid get up after that collision. He literally face planted on the ice after attempting to hurdle a sprawling John LeClair. Shero commented that it is an "upper body injury" and he will be flying back with the team tonight to get further evaluation. That's all that was stated.

83-Steelers-43
09-20-2006, 09:54 PM
If true, this is very good news...........

"Malkin was not available for comment, but was seen leaving the Moncton Coliseum on his own and was not sporting a sling.".

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=178189&hubname=

X-Terminator
09-20-2006, 11:22 PM
Here's hoping that it is good news. I saw the collision and it looked as if he banged his elbow on the ice as well as hitting face first, but it didn't look like his elbow was at an awkward angle. Let's pray that it's just a bruise or at worst a hyperextension, and that he won't miss any regular season time.

HometownGal
09-21-2006, 06:59 AM
I saw that collision and I really don't know how Malkin was able to get up off of the ice. It was just an unfortunate accident, but I'm sure LeClair feels very badly. I'll be anxious to know his status once he is examined by doctors here.

83-Steelers-43
09-21-2006, 03:43 PM
Penguins' Recchi has broken cheekbone, but OK to play; no update on Malkin
Thursday, September 21, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins' right winger Mark Recchi has a broken left cheekbone, but it won't necessarily be a lost-time injury.

Recchi said an examination today confirmed the fracture but that a doctor told him he can resume skating and playing immediately. Recchi was injured when struck in the face by a high stick from Philadelphia center Randy Robitaille during the Penguins' 5-4 exhibition victory in Moncton, New Brunswick Wednesday night.

"I could play tomorrow, but the trainer probably wouldn't let me," Recchi said.

The Penguins wll play Washington at Mellon Arena tomorrow at 7:35 p.m.

The Penguins have yet to update the condition of center Evgeni Malkin, who is believed to have dislocated his left shoulder during Wednesday's game.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06264/723862-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
09-21-2006, 05:28 PM
Just reported on KDKA news. Malkin is out indefinately with a dislocated shoulder.

http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/press/arts/2028.0.php

X-Terminator
09-21-2006, 07:49 PM
Not good. Not good at all. :shake01: Luckily there's still 2 weeks until the start of the regular season, but I don't know how long a shoulder dislocation would keep him out. Hopefully it won't be too long.

SteelCityMan786
09-21-2006, 08:52 PM
Not good. Not good at all. :shake01: Luckily there's still 2 weeks until the start of the regular season, but I don't know how long a shoulder dislocation would keep him out. Hopefully it won't be too long.

My guess would be at least a month or two. Just hopefully it's not too major. But you never know. Hopefully Evgeni is ready to roll soon.

83-Steelers-43
09-22-2006, 11:16 PM
Penguins stay with Capri's plan for arena
Team rebuffs mayor over Plan B support
Saturday, September 23, 2006

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Despite pressure from Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, the Penguins won't back the "Plan B" alternative crafted by Gov. Ed Rendell to fund a new arena.

In a statement released yesterday, the Penguins stood behind their commitment to Isle of Capri Casinos Inc., which has pledged $290 million toward construction of the arena if it wins the license for the city's slot machine casino.

"The Isle of Capri made a substantial commitment to Pittsburgh, and the Penguins made a commitment to the Isle of Capri, which we continue to stand by," the team said.

The statement came only hours after Mr. Ravenstahl, at a news conference with Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, again pressed the Penguins to get behind Plan B, saying it's the last piece needed to secure the team's future in Pittsburgh.

"It is something they need to do to move this city forward," he said.

It was the second time in a week he had prodded the team to get behind the plan. In a Sept. 15 letter, he urged the Penguins to commit to staying here and to the Plan B formula.

Mr. Ravenstahl himself endorsed the Isle of Capri proposal when he was City Council president, but has said his main goal as mayor is to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. He said the Isle of Capri plan does not guarantee that the team, which is for sale, will remain here because it is unknown whether the company will get the casino license.

Penguins officials have said in the past their agreement with Isle of Capri prevents them from committing to Plan B, a point reiterated yesterday by team consultant David Morehouse.

He said yesterday's statement was not a formal response to Mr. Ravenstahl. He added the team still hopes to sit down with the new mayor, who took office after the death of Bob O'Connor Sept. 1.

"We appreciate his support of the Penguins in the past and his desire to do what he can to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh and we look forward to sitting down and talking to him about that," he said.

Mr. Ravenstahl had no comment on the team's statement. "Anything he had to say, he's said," spokesman Dick Skrinjar said.

Plan B relies on a contribution of $7.5 million a year for 30 years from Forest City Enterprises or PITG Gaming LLC, the two other competitors for the slots license; $7 million a year from a slots-backed state economic development fund; and $4 million a year from the team. It also calls for the Penguins to make an initial payment of $8.5 million.

During yesterday's news conference, Mr. Onorato indicated that the amount the team contributes might be negotiable.

"If that's an issue, bring it forward," he said.

Four groups currently are bidding for the right to buy the team. If Isle of Capri gets the casino license, a buyer would be required to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. But a buyer is not bound to participate in Plan B.

The frontrunner in the purchase is believed to be Canadian businessman Jim Balsillie, who might be interested in moving the team to Ontario. Other potential buyers are Hartford real estate developer Sam Fingold, New York businessman Andrew Murstein and Ohio businessman Jim Renacci.

Mr. Ravenstahl said the team has received "highly competitive" offers for the franchise, ones that would establish a price benchmark for the National Hockey League.

At the same time, the city and the county are pressing forward with work related to the new arena, securing the last piece of property needed to build the facility in the lower Hill and Uptown area.

The Sports & Exhibition Authority has reached a tentative agreement with the Laborers District Council of Western Pennsylvania for Fifth Avenue property that now serves as the union's headquarters.

The authority previously had reached deals with nine other property owners for purchases totaling more than $10.85 million to assemble land on Fifth, Colwell Street and Washington Place for the facility.

Mr. Onorato said the latest deal gives the city and the county the land control they need and enables them to meet a Sept. 30 date set by the Penguins for site assembly. He said the city and the county are on pace to open a new arena in 2009.

"There is no reason why this franchise doesn't stay in Pittsburgh for the next 30 years under a long-term lease," he said.

In their statement, the Penguins said they were "encouraged" by the announcement that the city and county had secured the necessary land.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06266/724374-61.stm

X-Terminator
09-23-2006, 08:01 PM
Well, if the Pens can't commit to anything other than Isle of Capri, there really isn't much the goverment can do about it until the winner of the license is announced. Unfortunately at that point, time would be critical to get a Plan B agreement done if Isle of Capri doesn't win it. I have always believed, however, that IOC has been fighting an uphill battle, because both Onorato and Rendell are in the other bidders' hip pocket and will do what they can to make sure they don't win. Simply put, I don't trust the government any more than I trust any potential bidder to buy the team.

X-Terminator
09-23-2006, 08:08 PM
Well, according to Stan Savran, he's going to have surgery after his MRI next week, and that he will miss 3-6 months. Thanks John! :doh: :mad:

83-Steelers-43
09-25-2006, 01:54 PM
Malkin doesn't need surgery
Monday, September 25, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins center Evgeni Malkin does not need surgery to repair his dislocated left shoulder. The rookie from Russia was examined by a doctor for the second time Monday and surgery was ruled out.

Malkin, 20, was injured Wednesday night when he collided with teammate John LeClair during an exhibition game in Moncton, New Brunswick.

There is no timetable for his return, however, surgery would have meant a much longer recovery period.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06268/724907-100.stm

BlackNGold203
09-25-2006, 02:14 PM
Whew!!!

Good news!!!!

Any news on the legal front??

I.C. Lights
09-25-2006, 09:54 PM
The way I understand the legal problem right now is that the russian team is threatening to sue for damages in the US. Sounds scary, but it's a heck of a lot better than an injunction, which would prevent him from playing. With a damages claim, the worse that can happen is that he'll have to pay back the Russian team - which I imagine is not paying him as much as he's gonna make with Pittsburgh.

As for the injury, I just hope that the bad karma train that's running through pittsburgh gets derailed soon. I can wait to see Malkin & Crosby & some onetimers this year!

X-Terminator
09-26-2006, 12:30 AM
He's expected to be out 4-6 weeks, which is a HELL of a lot better than 3-6 months. So it means we'll have to wait until at least late October to see him play, which sucks, but it's better then the alternative.

HometownGal
09-26-2006, 01:55 PM
Malkin doesn't need surgery
Monday, September 25, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins center Evgeni Malkin does not need surgery to repair his dislocated left shoulder. The rookie from Russia was examined by a doctor for the second time Monday and surgery was ruled out.

Malkin, 20, was injured Wednesday night when he collided with teammate John LeClair during an exhibition game in Moncton, New Brunswick.

There is no timetable for his return, however, surgery would have meant a much longer recovery period.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06268/724907-100.stm


Thanks for the update 83 - much appreciated. I'm relieved that Evgeni will not require surgery - at least this is somewhat encouraging news.

HometownGal
10-02-2006, 03:30 PM
The Penguins have signed Jordan Staal and have trimmed their roster down to 25 players. I don't understand why they sent Noah Welch back down to Wilkes-Barre - I thought he played very well in the preseason. I would have sent Melichar down instead - what really has he done to warrant a spot on the roster?

Penguins Sign 2006 First Round Pick Jordan Staal

The Pittsburgh Penguins have signed center Jordan Staal, it was announced today by General Manager Ray Shero.

Staal, 18, recorded 68 points (28+40) and 69 penalty minutes in 68 games with Peterborough (OHL) during the 2005-06 season, tying for third on the team in scoring and ranking fourth in goals.

In 2004-05, as a 16-year old, Staal recorded 28 points (9+19) and 29 penalty minutes in 66 games with Peterborough.

Staal appeared in six pre-season games with the Penguins, recording one assist and six penalty minutes.

The 6-4 and 215-pound native of Thunder Bay, Ontario was the second overall selection in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft.



Pens Make Roster Moves

The Pittsburgh Penguins have re-assigned five players to their American Hockey League affiliate, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins, it was announced today by General Manager Ray Shero.

Forwards Daniel Carcillo, Libor Pivko, Ryan Stone and Maxime Talbot and defenseman Noah Welch have all been re-assigned to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.

The moves leave the Penguins with 25 players on their roster (14 forwards, 8 defensemen and 3 goaltenders).

X-Terminator
10-02-2006, 07:54 PM
I am very surprised that Staal made the team, but more surprised that they signed him to a contract. I thought for sure that he would get sent back to juniors, although that could still happen. Good for Jordan - I think he has the potential to be another Kevin Stevens once he gets experience and fills out his body. And I can't believe Welch was sent down - how in the hell can he not be good enough to unseat Josef "Swinging Gate" Melichar? I thought he played pretty well in preseason and that he would be a shoo-in to make the squad. It just doesn't make sense to me - we're going into the season with essentially the same D from last year, plus Mark Eaton, which means that Fleury and Thibault will be seeing a lot of rubber again this season. :thmbdown:

X-Terminator
10-03-2006, 12:17 AM
Good news on Malkin's progress:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/s_472905.html

Malkin skates for first time since injury
By Karen Price
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, September 30, 2006

There is still no timetable for Penguins center Evgeni Malkin's return from a dislocated shoulder, but the 20-year-old has started skating again. Malkin skated with assistant coach Andre Savard for about a half hour before practice Friday and after the Penguins' 4-3, overtime loss to the Sabres, accompanied the team to Buffalo, where he will skate again today.

"There's no ice (at Mellon Arena today), so he's going to come and skate on his own (today) after practice and continue his rehab with (trainers Chris Stewart and Scott Adams today) in Buffalo, so it will be good," general manager Ray Shero said last night. "Plus, it'll be good for him to get back on the road with the guys."

Yesterday was the first time Malkin skated since he collided with teammate John LeClair in his preseason debut Sept. 20. Malkin suffered a dislocation more commonly seen in car accidents than hockey games after he flipped over LeClair along the end boards.

"That was almost like a car accident," Shero said.

Malkin saw an NHL Players' Association doctor Monday, and the doctor didn't recommend surgery.

"He's making good progress, which is great," Shero said. "He's pretty much pain free, so now, it's a matter of strengthening the muscles and so forth -- and a matter of time.

"We're certainly not going to push it or rush it, but it's good when you have an injury like that just to get on the ice, feel the puck and get your legs."

HometownGal
10-04-2006, 01:51 PM
Great news, XT! :cheers: :thumbsup: He's young, spirited and very tough (much like Ben). I hope he continues progressing and healing and doesn't push himself too much - we're going to need him this season! Can't wait to see him play live when he is cleared to return to practices/playing! :bouncy:

Petesburgh66
10-04-2006, 08:47 PM
Pens reportdely sold

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179841&hubname=


TSN.ca Staff with files

10/4/2006 8:04:15 PM

The Pittsburgh Penguins have a new tentative owner.

KDKA TV in Pittsburgh reports that an agreement is in place for the NHL team to be sold to Canadian businessman Jim Balsillie for $175 million.

Balsillie, the owner of Waterloo, Ontario-based Blackberry manufacturer Research In Motion, is expected to announce the purchase on Thursday. Balsillie will reportedly keep the team in Pittsburgh and he has no intention of moving it to Hamilton, Ont.

Other groups trying to buy the Penguins were Hartford businessman Sam Fingold and a group led by New York taxicab medallion financier Andrew Murstein, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and former star quarterback Dan Marino.

Penguins owner Mario Lemieux and his partners were approached by groups interested in purchasing the franchise back in January. Lemieux had said any new owners would be bound by an agreement to remain in Pittsburgh if a coalition assembled by the Penguins is awarded the license to run a slots parlor downtown.

A U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved Lemieux's reorganization plan to save the Penguins from bankruptcy in 1999. The Hall of Famer bought the team to help recover unfulfilled contractual payments by former Penguins owners and to keep the franchise in Pittsburgh, making him the first former player to become majority owner of his former team.

While it owned the team, the Lemieux group paid back in full all the money owed by the Penguins before they declared bankruptcy.

During Lemieux's time as owner, the Penguins reached the playoffs twice and Lemieux made a comeback in 2000 after having been retired for three seasons.

X-Terminator
10-05-2006, 12:10 AM
Pens reportdely sold

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179841&hubname=
TSN.ca Staff with files

10/4/2006 8:04:15 PM

The Pittsburgh Penguins have a new tentative owner.

KDKA TV in Pittsburgh reports that an agreement is in place for the NHL team to be sold to Canadian businessman Jim Balsillie for $175 million.

Balsillie, the owner of Waterloo, Ontario-based Blackberry manufacturer Research In Motion, is expected to announce the purchase on Thursday. Balsillie will reportedly keep the team in Pittsburgh and he has no intention of moving it to Hamilton, Ont.


Sorry, but I'm not buying it. This jerkwad obviously lied through his teeth when he said that he had no interest in buying an NHL team. Why the hell should ANY Penguins fan believe this jerkwad now? Every time I see him or his name, I see L-I-A-R. :thmbdown: :shake02: :bs:

Jeremy
10-05-2006, 03:33 PM
It doesn't matter what he wants to do. He can't move the team without the NHL's approval and they're not going to let the Pens move if there's a viable plan for a new barn.

HometownGal
10-05-2006, 04:09 PM
The Pens aren't going anywhere, so don't worry XT!

XT and I share season tix and he's my guest tonight for the opener. If anyone is going to the game and wants to stop by and say hello, we're in Section D7, Row E, Seats 13 and 14.

LETS GO PENS! :bouncy: :smile:

Petesburgh66
10-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Balsillie, Pens sign purchase agreement

Canadian Press

10/5/2006 5:27:31 PM

PITTSBURGH (CP) - Years of uncertainty surrounding the fate of the Pittsburgh Penguins gave way to hope Thursday with the news that Canadian executive Jim Balsillie has signed an agreement to buy the franchise.

Terms haven't officially been released but Balsillie is believed to be spending US$175 million for the NHL club.

Balsille, co-chief executive officer of Canada's Research In Motion Ltd. (TSX:RIM) - the maker of the BlackBerry - met with the Pittsburgh media Thursday night at Mellon Arena, where the Penguins are scheduled to face the Philadelphia Flyers in their season opener.

''It's exciting, the prospect of this team returning to the glory that (Mario Lemieux) led it to in the first two Cups.'' said Balsillie. ''It's a great hockey town.''

The deal still needs to be approved by the NHL board of governors, a process which is expected to be completed later this fall.

''We just signed it last night and I had to work today,'' Balsillie said. ''So I've got a lot of reading to do over this Thanksgiving Day long weekend.''

The Penguins, two-time Stanley Cup champions in the 1990s, were purchased in federal bankruptcy court in 1999 by a group that was led by Hall of Fame Penguins forward Mario Lemieux. Lemieux retired as a player last season and later put the team up for sale.

''Jim is as we all know a great businessman,'' said Lemieux. ''He has a great company up in Canada, but I think the most important thing is that he's a passionate hockey fan, which is going to be great for our franchise for many years to come.''

Rumours have swirled that Balsillie could move the team to Hamilton, which is close to his home and RIM's head office in Waterloo, Ont.

Lemieux was opposed to the move.

''It was very important for us to keep it here it Pittsburgh,'' said Lemieux. ''I think Jim is committed as long as we build a new arena and we have a fair deal.''

Balsillie indicated Thursday that he plans to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

''Pittsburgh has shown itself to be an outstanding hockey market, and the team has an incredible tradition of success and fan support,'' he said in a statement. ''With young stars such as Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, we all know the Penguins have a very bright future on the ice. I look forward to owning this team for a long time in Pittsburgh.''

The NHL does not want the Penguins to move.

''We are committed to keeping the Penguins in Pittsburgh, provided the team has a new building,'' NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press on Thursday. ''Mr. Balsillie has assured the commissioner that he shares this commitment.''

Balsillie, 45, became the front-runner in the bidding for the team a few weeks ago after deal involving former Torontonian Sam Fingold fell apart this summer.<

Negotiations for an arena to replace the 45-year-old Mellon Arena have been held up because Lemieux's group has a deal with the Isle of Capri casino chain to build the arena at no cost to the team or city. That deal is contingent on Isle of Capri being granted the licence for a new downtown Pittsburgh slot machine parlour.

''This has to be done really soon,'' Balsille said. ''I sure hope it's done. I can't see it being spring before this is done. Does anyone want to wait another year?''

The licence is not expected to be awarded until at least the end of December.

City and Allegheny County officials have urged the team to agree to a Plan B deal to build the arena if Isle of Capri does not get the casino. Land for the project has been acquired across the street from Mellon Arena.

However, Lemieux's group has declined to accept the alternative plan, saying it is bound to the Isle of Capri deal.

Balsillie comes to the NHL with deep pockets.

The explosion of BlackBerrys has generated RIM's rapid growth. In late June, RIM issued better-than-expected results for its fiscal first quarter along with a rosy outlook for BlackBerry sales.

The firm brought in revenues of $613.1 million in the three months ended June 3, up 35 per cent from $453.9 million in the same period a year earlier - beating the consensus analysts' estimate by about $10 million.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179841&hubname=

And don't think that all Canadians that post on this TSN article are completely stupid. Bunch of dolts. The Waterloo Penguins? :sofunny: It's not going to happen. The Waterloo /Kitchener area can not support a NHL team. These were some of the same ass clowns that wanted the Penguins to move to Winnipeg. Why?

And forget about Hamilton as well. Hamilton is a dying industrial city. With the environmental work I have done there, it's a dump. Balsillie may have paid $50,000 for legal advice to find a way to move an NHL team to Hamilton but it can't be done. First the Buffalo Sabres wouldn't allow it and second the Toronto Maple Leafs would have a problem with another team taking away it's market.

Petesburgh66
10-05-2006, 11:18 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179841&hubname=

What if the Penguins were moved?

Canadian Press

10/5/2006 5:08:31 PM

The NHL and new Penguins owner Jim Balsillie clearly want to keep the club in Pittsburgh but Hamilton, Winnipeg and Kansas City are waiting in the wings. Just in case.

''We're ready, willing and able,'' said Paul McGannon of NHL 21, a group of civic leaders from Kansas City trying to lure hockey's top league.

It's all speculation at this point because the NHL has no interest in discussing other cities.

''We have not and are not looking at anything at this point in time other than getting a new building in Pittsburgh and having the team stay there,'' NHL commissioner Gary Bettman told The Canadian Press on Thursday.

But that's where the ''what if'' comes into play. What if Pittsburgh doesn't deliver the new rink via its casino proposition? Then what? The lease on Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh expires at the end of June.

''I'm not holding my breath, but if those plans fall through I think Mr. Balsillie is in a great situation to move the team wherever he wishes to,'' Hamilton city councillor Terry Whitehead, who is spearheading efforts to bring NHL hockey to the steel city, said Thursday. ''And if it's his desire to move the team to the city of Hamilton, he does have that option, there's no question about it.''

Whitehead chaired a committee that negotiated a deal this year with an agent representing an interested party, believed to be Balsillie, although Whitehead wouldn't say, for first right of refusal for an NHL team at Copps Coliseum.

''That agent has since come back to us and requested an extension for the first right of refusal at Copps Coliseum,'' Whitehead said from Hamilton. ''This extension expires at the end of January.''

If Pittsburgh doesn't work out, Balsillie, co-chief executive officer of Canada's Research In Motion Ltd., has several options:

- Hamilton, where the 21-year-old Copps Coliseum would likely need a face lift;

- Kansas City, where the brand-new, 17,500-seat Sprint Center is scheduled to open next October - with no tenant in place at this point. No other pro hockey team currently plays in the city.

- Winnipeg, where the 15,015-seat MTS Centre opened in November 2004.

Other entertaining ideas that made the rounds in the wake of his purchase include Balsillie moving the team in RIM's backyard of Waterloo, Ont., or perhaps having a second team in the Greater Toronto area. Other cities that have been linked to the NHL in past years also include Quebec City, Seattle, Houston, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City and Portland.

The Jets left Winnipeg for Phoenix in 1995 but if Mark Chipman has his way, the NHL will come back one day. Chipman, chairman of True North Sports & Entertainment, which owns the MTS Centre and the AHL's Manitoba Moose, definitely believes the new salary cap NHL can work in Winnipeg.

''We've done our homework with other Canadian NHL teams and gained an understanding of the new economics and we think that there's a reasonable possibility that it would be viable here,'' Chipman said Thursday from Winnipeg. ''The other issue has been, how do you get your hands on a team? Frankly, at that kind of acquisition price (Balsillie is believed to have paid US$175 million), it wouldn't be realistic to suggest anybody in this community ever could. But we could certainly be a partner for somebody because we have a building.''

That's what makes Hamilton, Kansas City and Winnipeg solid matches. They've got arenas waiting for an NHL tenant.

''I would consider ourselves as the No. 1 candidate,'' McGannon, whose group has hosted four NHL pre-season games in years past, said from Kansas City. ''We have a state-of-the-art building that opens next October. The luxury suites are already sold out.

''And the arena will be managed by AEG, an industry leader.''

That's where it gets interesting indeed. AEG is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Anschutz Corporation, which just happens to own the Los Angeles Kings, not to mention five MLS teams and a multitude of facilities including the Staples Center.

''Philip Anschutz, as the owner of the L.A. Kings, I would think would have some input,'' speculated McGannon. ''But at the end of the day, Jim as the new owner of the Penguins will call the shots.''

That's where Hamilton comes in, at least in Whitehead's view.

''I know that his wife, I believe, is from Hamilton, she has roots here and we're close to his business in Waterloo,'' said Whitehead. ''I think there's no question that the franchise in the city of Hamilton would be very successful from a business perspective. We sold about 14,000 season tickets within 24 hours when we applied for the last NHL expansion.''

He bristled when reminded that one knock on Hamilton is that the arena is seen as outdated by some, built in 1985.

''A lot of people are speaking from ignorance,'' Whitehead said. ''The reality is that Copps has the ability to raise the roof. It was designed to be expandable. So currently there's 17,500 seats, but the roof is designed to be raise and expand the boxes to meet the new NHL standards.''

Some also view Winnipeg's MTS Centre as a little small.

''I don't think that's the case,'' said Chipman. ''The only reason we're even being talked about nowadays is because we have an arena that is capable of hosting an NHL team. I wouldn't accept the notion that the arena is too small, we have an NHL-quality arena. We're also known to be a very solid hockey market.''

That's where both Winnipeg and Hamilton have the edge over Kansas City. they're natural hockey markets.

''We're a viable NHL market,'' insisted McGannon. ''We sold 12,000 tickets in 59 days after the lockout ended for a pre-season game between the Blues and the Predators.''

McGannon also said Kansas City is on Balsillie's radar.

''He already knows about Kansas City,'' said McGannon. ''He's already well aware of the option as far as Kansas City goes. We have a new building. Hamilton? How old is Copps, 20 years? Does it have luxury suites? Plus you have the whole territorial thing with Toronto and Buffalo. Here, this is blue sky. We would have nice divisional rivalries with St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Denver and Minneapolis. There's a black hole in the middle of the country and we're right in the middle of it. ...

''We feel like we're a sports mecca in need of a winter sport.''

That has always been the biggest knock on Hamilton, that the Sabres and Leafs would block any move there. Whitehead doesn't buy it.

''I take a look at New Jersey, New York Islanders and the New York Rangers - they're relatively close as well and they've been surviving quite nicely,'' he said.

Either way, the debate will rage on until ground is officially broken on a new arena in Pittsburgh. In the meantime, other cities will keep dreaming.

''The NHL knows of our current status,'' said Chipman. ''It will continue to be a look-and-see approach for us, not just in terms of Pittsburgh but any other opportunities that might present itself over the next couple of years.''

Outside of Pittsburgh, all other NHL franchise are relatively stable at this point but that could change in places like Florida, Nashville and Anaheim.

Copps Coliseum isn't an NHL capacity sized rink. And you can't compare the NY market to Hamilton. Like I said. Hamildump is a dying city, just like their footballl team at "never win" stadium. I wish these guys would end this pipe dream. Your not getting a team.

SteelCityMan786
10-05-2006, 11:22 PM
Penguins on the right foot to start the year with a 4-0 victory. LET'S GO PENS!!!!

Petesburgh66
10-05-2006, 11:23 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179902&hubname=

Who is Jim Balsillie?
Canadian Press

10/5/2006 1:26:49 PM

TORONTO (CP) - A billionaire with a love for hockey, Jim Balsillie revels in competition.

As co-CEO of Research In Motion Ltd. (TSX:RIM), the Waterloo, Ont.-based company famous for the ubiquitous handheld BlackBerry device so addictive it's earned the moniker "CrackBerry," Balsillie has fought off one rival after another.

"He's very competitive, always has been," his mother, Laurel, said in an interview with The Globe and Mail.

Now he wants to take on the rest of the NHL, using some of a personal fortune built on the incredible success of the BlackBerry to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Balsillie, 45, grew up in Peterborough, Ont., where he was immersed in sports. His father, who died last summer, had season tickets to the Peterborough Petes of the Ontario Hockey League and often took his son to games. As an energetic child, Balsillie played hockey, badminton and basketball, and competed in track and field meets - all while deftly balancing school work, and at one time, five paper routes.

Now Balsillie plays right wing in a recreational league twice a week and plays corporate quarterback at Research In Motion.

A chartered accountant by training, Balsillie joined RIM in 1992 as chairman and co-CEO.

He's the financial brains behind the company, while Mike Lazaridis, who co-founded the company in the mid-1980s, handles the technical side of the business as co-CEO and president.

Under Balsillie and Lazaridis, Research In Motion has become a global powerhouse in the world of wireless electronic mail and one of the leading technology stocks in Canada or the United States.

Over the years, Balsillie has faced numerous questions about the latest so-called "BlackBerry Killer" about to enter RIM's home arena. Sometimes the challenge is software from Microsoft. Other times it's a device from Nokia or Motorola or Palm.

But Balsillie unerringly takes a "show-me" stance, challenging the questioner to distinguish between the hype surrounding the other team's latest star player and what they're actually able to deliver.

"I think that one has to understand that most of these companies have been bringing their best game to this space for over a decade," Balsillie told analysts last week on a RIM conference call.

"So this kind of competitive reality has been there from the beginning when we didn't have anything like the resources and position and capacity and experience and so on that we have today," he said.

"So if it's so easy, why did all these best efforts not derail us from the beginning?"

Research In Motion, founded in the mid-1980s and publicly traded since October 1997, has had its ups and downs - including a string of unprofitable quarters during the tech sector's downturn a few years ago. However, RIM shares are currently riding high.

At current stock prices, RIM has a total market value of about $22.5 billion. Balsillie's own stake in the company - about 12 million shares, according to regulatory documents filed last June - is currently worth about $1.4 billion.

Part of the recent success is due to the BlackBerry Pearl, a phone-like device that's got multimedia features for playing MP3 files and taking digital pictures. It's currently available in Canada only through Rogers Wireless and available in the United States only through T-Mobile, but will undoubtedly be rolled out to dozens of other carriers.

As a result, the analysts have raised their estimates for RIM shares and the stock is currently at about C$120 - up about 20 per cent from a week ago and in a trading range RIM visited only briefly in early 2000 and late 2004.

"We knew what we were capable of doing," Balsillie said in a recent interview. "We knew it was a home-run product."

Balsillie's unrelenting competitiveness was also evident throughout RIM's court battle against Virginia-based NTP Inc., a patent-holding company that successfully convinced a Virginia jury that the BlackBerry violated some of its patents.

The judge overseeing the case also ruled in NTP's favour, as did several higher courts on appeal, but Balsillie continued to fight - through the courts, the U.S. patent office, the media and in the U.S. Congress.

In the end, the two sides reached a compromise with RIM agreeing in late February to pay US$612.5 million for NTP's patents - a huge sum for many Canadian companies but an amount that Research In Motion was able to easily afford.

Balsillie earned his bachelor of commerce degree at the University of Toronto where he belonged to the Zeta Psi fraternity. After working as an accountant for a few years, he went on to complete a Masters of Business Administration at Harvard. He also holds an honorary engineering doctorate from Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo.

Balsillie met his future wife, Heidi, while studying in Boston. The couple has two children.

After graduation in 1989, Balsillie took a job at Sutherland Schultz Inc., a small technology company in Kitchener, Ont.

In 2002, Balsillie spent $30 million of personal funds to found the think-tank Centre for International Governance Innovation, which emphasizes the role of financial and economic institutions.

In 2000, he put $10 million of his money toward the founding of the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in addition to $100 million from Lazaridis.

X-Terminator
10-06-2006, 12:26 AM
The Pens aren't going anywhere, so don't worry XT!

XT and I share season tix and he's my guest tonight for the opener. If anyone is going to the game and wants to stop by and say hello, we're in Section D7, Row E, Seats 13 and 14.

LETS GO PENS! :bouncy: :smile:

What a game that was tonight, huh? A 4-0 shutout of the hated Flyers! And the building had so much energy - I've not seen that much excitement at a Pens' game in years!

X-Terminator
10-06-2006, 12:37 AM
It doesn't matter what he wants to do. He can't move the team without the NHL's approval and they're not going to let the Pens move if there's a viable plan for a new barn.

Don't be so sure about that. Balsillie is a businessman and didn't come to be so powerful and rich if he didn't know how or where to find and exploit loopholes. The NHL bylaws may make it difficult, but not impossible, and I'm sure he could find a way to convince Gary Butt-Head that the deal isn't fair to the team so that he can move them. Bottom line is that I do not trust this man, nor do I trust Gary Butt-Head. I never have and won't until the day he signs the arena deal - if he ever does. The man spent $50,000 looking for ways to move the team, according to Petesburgh66, and I'm guessing he initially backed out when he discovered it wouldn't be so easy. That right there speaks for itself.

HometownGal
10-06-2006, 11:21 AM
What a game that was tonight, huh? A 4-0 shutout of the hated Flyers! And the building had so much energy - I've not seen that much excitement at a Pens' game in years!

That was quite a game and one I'll remember for a long time. :chicken: All cylinders were in sync - offense, defense, penalty killing - and Fleury was unbelievable in stopping 40 shots. :thumbsup: Truthfully, I haven't seen the Pens play that physical throughout an entire game in quite a while. Ruutu is a beast on skates and played very well offensively, too. I still say the next time the Pens play the Flyers, he's going after Forsberg! It was quite entertaining watching Big Bird (Colby) beating the living shit out of Baumgartner - LMAO!!! :splat: The house was a rockin and I'm still hoarse from the "Go Home Flyers", "Hatcher Sucks" and "Flyers Sucks" chants - LMAO! :sofunny: I know it is only one game, but the difference in this season's team from last season's team is definitely remarkable! LET'S GO PENS!

83-Steelers-43
10-07-2006, 09:54 AM
A few points and opinions.

They can't afford to take that many penalties. When your killing penalties for what added up to a period of hockey, it's going to nip you in the butt. We were fortunate the other night.

Players/Aspects who caught my eye in a positive light:

Marc-Andre Fleury: It was a relief to watch him come out of the net and cut down the angles, not going down as much and more importantly, limiting rebounds and making the key save(s). The boy was in a zone last night. Hopefully he can keep that type of play up for the whole season. At the same time, this team cannot expect him to make 40 saves a night.

Jarkko Ruutu: While the guy is not going to net one every night, he's damn fun to watch. My type of player. Very physical, hustles non-stop and makes opposing team player's think twice before taking that cheap shot (Hatcher anybody?).

Jordan Staal: Wow, I'm hoping they don't send this kid down. His reach, nose for the puck and P-killing ability is reason enough to keep him on this roster. Granted, he's still young and needs to put on a few pounds, but let the kid learn up here at the NHL level from the "veterans" who were brought back (Recchi) and the veteran's already on the team (LeClair). In my opinion, this kid has nothing to gain/learn by being sent down. He has proven to me in TC and during the preseason that he's able to play at the NHL level and more importantly, learn at the NHL level.

Dominic Moore: Excellent role player. IMO, he's the best P-killer on this team. Have heard and at times seen good things from him during his NYR day's, it's nice to actually see it in a Penguin uniform.

The defense as a whole: Excellent positioning while also clearing the few rebounds Fleury gave up. Also, for the first time in a long time, not letting a guy sit in front of the net untouched. As a whole our defense played very good. 22 blocked shots always helps.

The expected: Colby Armstrong and Sidney Crosby.

Besides the amount of penalties taken last night, the one aspect I did not like in last nights game was the Recchi-Malone-LeClair line. When I opened up the PPG yesterday morning I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. Too slow for the new NHL.

While I'm a little hesitant on calling for a playoff birth this season, last night was a nice way to open up a season for the first time in six years. From the drop of the puck until the closing horn the Flyers never came close to matching the Penguins intensity. They looked hungry and determined to prove themselves. The key is to keep that up for 81 more games.

X-Terminator
10-07-2006, 04:44 PM
A few points and opinions.

They can't afford to take that many penalties. When your killing penalties for what added up to a period of hockey, it's going to nip you in the butt. We were fortunate the other night.

Players/Aspects who caught my eye in a positive light:

Marc-Andre Fleury: It was a relief to watch him come out of the net and cut down the angles, not going down as much and more importantly, limiting rebounds and making the key save(s). The boy was in a zone last night. Hopefully he can keep that type of play up for the whole season. At the same time, this team cannot expect him to make 40 saves a night.

Jarkko Ruutu: While the guy is not going to net one every night, he's damn fun to watch. My type of player. Very physical, hustles non-stop and makes opposing team player's think twice before taking that cheap shot (Hatcher anybody?).

Jordan Staal: Wow, I'm hoping they don't send this kid down. His reach, nose for the puck and P-killing ability is reason enough to keep him on this roster. Granted, he's still young and needs to put on a few pounds, but let the kid learn up here at the NHL level from the "veterans" who were brought back (Recchi) and the veteran's already on the team (LeClair). In my opinion, this kid has nothing to gain/learn by being sent down. He has proven to me in TC and during the preseason that he's able to play at the NHL level and more importantly, learn at the NHL level.

Dominic Moore: Excellent role player. IMO, he's the best P-killer on this team. Have heard and at times seen good things from him during his NYR day's, it's nice to actually see it in a Penguin uniform.

The defense as a whole: Excellent positioning while also clearing the few rebounds Fleury gave up. Also, for the first time in a long time, not letting a guy sit in front of the net untouched. As a whole our defense played very good. 22 blocked shots always helps.

The expected: Colby Armstrong and Sidney Crosby.

Besides the amount of penalties taken last night, the one aspect I did not like in last nights game was the Recchi-Malone-LeClair line. When I opened up the PPG yesterday morning I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. Too slow for the new NHL.

While I'm a little hesitant on calling for a playoff birth this season, last night was a nice way to open up a season for the first time in six years. From the drop of the puck until the closing horn the Flyers never came close to matching the Penguins intensity. They looked hungry and determined to prove themselves. The key is to keep that up for 81 more games.


Agreed with all of your points and felt the same way myself when watching the game. Fleury seems to play his best games against the Flyers - remember last season when he stopped 45 shots in an OT win in Philly? He didn't play well in the preseason, but I noticed a change in his approach as well - he is much more square to the shooter and is staying on his feet longer, two things that Gilles Meloche is obviously preaching to both he and Thibault. I want to see him do it consistently though before I get too excited, but there's no denying his talent and I'm glad he finally has a goalie coach to help him.

As for Staal, I really liked what I saw from him - he may not be fleet of foot, but he makes up for it with very good hockey sense, which you simply cannot teach. There were many times I saw him at the right place at the right time by making good reads, especially on the PK. I, too, hope he isn't sent back to his junior team and agree wholeheartedly that he will gain much more valuable experience by learning at this level, because clearly he has what it takes to play in the NHL.

I think the Malone-LeClair-Recchi line is only a quick fix until Malkin is ready to return. He was playing with Recchi and Malone in camp/preseason, but given the way Staal has looked so far, I'd like to see him on that line, but it likely won't happen. Therrien will go with Recchi-Malkin-Malone on the 2nd line and Ruutu-Moore-LeClair on the 3rd line, with Staal centering the 4th line assuming he doesn't get sent back to his junior team by then.

Man, I was SO hoping Ruutu would go after Hatcher and Forsberg the puss, but it never happened. There won't be a whole lot of teams taking runs at Crosby so long as he is on the ice, no question about it, and we also have some other guys who can step up to defend him if needed (Roy, Cairns, Petrovicky, Thorburn, Armstrong obviously).

It was nice to see a team play with passion and grit, something we aren't used to around here. I think we have a nice mix here, and while I'm not predicting playoffs either (too many good teams to catch, IMO, including the Flyers), this will be a very solid team that will make it very difficult for other teams to play against and will definitely be better than they've been over the past few years.

HometownGal
10-12-2006, 08:49 PM
Wow - what a great game between the Pens and the hated Rangers tonight! :thumbsup: The Pens won the game 6-5 with 3.3 seconds left in regulation on a Sidney Crosby goal (with a little help from a Ranger defenseman's skate)! Jordan Staal scores his first NHL goal and Fleury stopped 37 shots on goal. Great effort by the Pens - add in Malkin in a few more weeks and this team is going to definitely be noticed! LETS GO PENS!!!!

(What made this win even sweeter was Fagomir getting nailed with a hooking penalty with a little over a minute remaining - WOO HOO!!!!) :banana:

X-Terminator
10-12-2006, 11:54 PM
Wow - what a great game between the Pens and the hated Rangers tonight! :thumbsup: The Pens won the game 6-5 with 3.3 seconds left in regulation on a Sidney Crosby goal (with a little help from a Ranger defenseman's skate)! Jordan Staal scores his first NHL goal and Fleury stopped 37 shots on goal. Great effort by the Pens - add in Malkin in a few more weeks and this team is going to definitely be noticed! LETS GO PENS!!!!

(What made this win even sweeter was Fagomir getting nailed with a hooking penalty with a little over a minute remaining - WOO HOO!!!!) :banana:

Oh yeah...I figured you were tickled pink that we scored while Fagomir was drying his eyes in the sin bin - LOL! That really was a great game, one of those games where I really felt the Pens were going to win no matter what. The Rangers really didn't impress me at all tonight - the only reason they were in the game was because of their PP, because I think the Pens would have beaten them if most of the game were played at even strength. They still gave up way too many shots and overall need to start shooting the puck more, but I'm really happy with the effort the team has given in their first 3 games and really believe they will be much better than a lot of people think, especially when Malkin is healthy. Next up is Carolina on Saturday night at the Arena, a team that is really struggling right now at 0-3-1 and have scored just 7 goals all season. Hopefully the boys can keep it up!

83-Steelers-43
10-13-2006, 10:39 AM
Wow, what a game. Very exciting to say the least. 6-5 Penguin victory.

Staal netted his first of many NHL goals. Shorthanded nonetheless.

Letang netted his first NHL goal with a beautiful wrist shot while 5 on 3.

Whitney netted two goals.

Ouellet netted a goal.

Crosby netted the game winning goal with 3 seconds left in the game while also grabbing three assists.

While we still took way too many penalties (Ruutu in particular) and gave up way too many shots, our PP came alive and once again, our intensity was high. Our PK had a lapse but when your going up against a PP unit which consists of Jagr and Shanny your going to give up PP goals.

The Good

Fleury: I thought he played another good game. Granted he gave up five goals, but that game could have been lost in the first period if it wasn't for Fleury. The kid made some key/huge saves and the goals he gave up were very nice goals on the Rangers part.

Eaton: The acquisition of Mark Eaton was a beautiful move on Ray Shero's part. His positioning is excellent even though I noticed a few lapses in our defensive play last night. Scuderi being one of them.

Staal: As already stated in my above post, don't send this kid down to the juniors. He had a beautiful SH goal last night after picking off a pass, coming in on a breakaway and netting the goal with ease. The kid's reach is unbelievable and his nose for the puck matches.

Letang: Another kid who should not be sent down to juniors. He shoots the puck (had a goal last night with a sick wrist shot over the left hand shoulder) from the point and actually get's it on net. More importantly, he's a pretty damn solid defenseman.

Whitney: A two goal night. What can you say? Kid is coming around although his play behind the redline still needs work.

Armstrong: What can you say about this guy? Holy cow. Took a sandwich hit to make the pass to Crosby to Whitney for the goal. He's fearless. Tick him off enough and he will throw down. Plays physical hockey while also netting goals. Old-school hockey player. Gotta love him.

The Bad

Ruutu. As much as I love him, the guy is starting to take way too many penalties and at the wrong time. Normally putting us in 5 on 3 PK's. Not good.

Malone. Much like in the beginning/first half of last season, he's invisible.

Recchi. Much like Ryan Malone, he's invisible. Blew a nice opportunity to net one last night. Waste of money and a roster space in my opinion.

LeClair. Normally love the way this guy plays. Not affraid to park his butt in front of the net and take a beating. These last three games he's been invisible.

This organization is going to have to make some tough decisions when Malkin, Orpik and Petrovicky come back from their injuries. Should be interesting.

83-Steelers-43
10-13-2006, 03:16 PM
Penguins' Malkin could make NHL debut in days
Friday, October 13, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins center Evgeni Malkin could make his NHL debut in a matter of days.

Malkin received contact in practice today for the first time since dislocating his left shoulder Sept. 20, and coach Michel Therrien raised the possibility that, pending further medical evaluation, Malkin could be in the lineup as early as Wednesday, when the Penguins will face New Jersey at Mellon Arena.

"I hope (he'll play in) less than a week," Therrien said. "We'll see. But he's close."

Malkin wore a black shoulder support under his hockey gear during practice and had ice on his shoulder afterward, but his play betrayed no problems related to his injury.

"He's making some great progress," Therrien said. "Evgeni's working really hard to get back into the lineup as soon as possible. We're excited about the way he's come along with that injury. He's close. He's close."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06286/729755-100.stm

augustashark
10-13-2006, 03:21 PM
Penguins' Malkin could make NHL debut in days
Friday, October 13, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Penguins center Evgeni Malkin could make his NHL debut in a matter of days.

Malkin received contact in practice today for the first time since dislocating his left shoulder Sept. 20, and coach Michel Therrien raised the possibility that, pending further medical evaluation, Malkin could be in the lineup as early as Wednesday, when the Penguins will face New Jersey at Mellon Arena.

"I hope (he'll play in) less than a week," Therrien said. "We'll see. But he's close."

Malkin wore a black shoulder support under his hockey gear during practice and had ice on his shoulder afterward, but his play betrayed no problems related to his injury.

"He's making some great progress," Therrien said. "Evgeni's working really hard to get back into the lineup as soon as possible. We're excited about the way he's come along with that injury. He's close. He's close."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06286/729755-100.stm

Whats up 83....Good find....This is great news.....Lets keep this thing rolling!

GO PENS!

HometownGal
10-13-2006, 05:18 PM
Great news on Evegni! :cheer: Can you imagine the fire power on the Pens' offense when Malkin gets into the lineup? :bouncy:

Thanks for the heads-up, 83!

X-Terminator
10-13-2006, 09:45 PM
Crap, I was just about to post this story - LOL! But this IS great news, and if he does debut next week, I'll get to see it live and in living color! :thumbsup: :banana:

cbalke
10-14-2006, 06:03 AM
i gotta say, i'm impressed. for the first time in years, we've got a club that's playing with HEART. this is the first consistently all-hustle team i've seen in a long, long time.

i didn't get to see the rangers game live cause m$g blacked it out, but i saw the replay yesterday afternoon. very good stuff.

and, yeah, jagr's a fag. i played on a team this year with a couple guys from czech. they hate him, too. although, they do love...GOULASH!

X-Terminator
10-14-2006, 04:51 PM
I just have to correct one thing - Ruutu has NOT been taking too many penalties so far this season - he has just 2 minors thus far. Granted, his high-sticking penalty did give the Rangers a 2-man advantage that they converted, but he's been doing a good job of staying out of the penalty box while keeping up his physical play.

83-Steelers-43
10-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Two more tonight. He tends to let it become a trend. That's the last thing we need.

Looked like the same old Pens tonight. Not much to really say. They looked bad from all aspects.

As stated a few months back, bringing Recchi back was the one mistake Shero made. Guy is worthless. But he's a fan favorite (so was Ian Moran with a good number of fans, go figure) so the heat is not as hot for Recchi as it would be for say.........anybody on that roster besides Sidney Crosby.

SteelCityMan786
10-14-2006, 10:25 PM
Man not a good night. 5-1. Not how you'd respond to a big win.

X-Terminator
10-14-2006, 10:30 PM
The entire team has been taking too many penalties, so it isn't fair to lay it all at the feet of Ruutu. They were shorthanded 10 times vs. the Flyers and 9 times vs. the Rangers. Ruutu isn't taking all of those penalties. Besides, this game tonight wasn't lost because of penalties, it was lost because of a lack of passion from the whole squad almost from the drop of the puck, and I'm sure Therrien is not happy at all with their effort. This team clearly needs Malkin in the lineup ASAP, because they have zero scoring punch beyond the top line. Recchi, Malone and LeClair just aren't getting it done.

83-Steelers-43
10-15-2006, 05:52 AM
"While we still took way too many penalties" - after the Flyer game

"They can't afford to take that many penalties" - after the Ranger game

When I did state Ruutu in particular (while making it clear on two different occasions that the team in general also), it's because he does have a tendency in the past of letting it become a trend.

Also, for the record, I never stated the loss against the Canes was because of penalties. I stated "they looked bad from all aspects.".

HometownGal
10-15-2006, 07:34 AM
The Pens didn't have any umph last night and looked pretty lackluster for much of the game - not like the team who never quit against the Rangers. The Canes were a hungry team with their poor start and they just totally outplayed the Pens, it's as simple as that. I agree with the consensus - they have got to limit their time in the sin bin and stop giving their opponents that PP advantage - it's going to keep biting them in the ass if they don't get themselves under control a little better.

X-Terminator
10-16-2006, 01:19 AM
"While we still took way too many penalties" - after the Flyer game

"They can't afford to take that many penalties" - after the Ranger game

When I did state Ruutu in particular (while making it clear on two different occasions that the team in general also), it's because he does have a tendency in the past of letting it become a trend.

Also, for the record, I never stated the loss against the Canes was because of penalties. I stated "they looked bad from all aspects.".

Ruutu is going to take penalties, some of them of the undisciplined variety - it's the product of the type of game he plays. Those who were so excited about him coming here should have expected and understood that. We can only hope that when he does get involved in physical play, that he keeps his head and draws a penalty, something he's very adept at doing, or at the very least take a player with him to the box. But I like having a guy like him in the lineup - it's something we haven't had since Darius Kasparaitis left.

cbalke
10-16-2006, 07:59 AM
what are you talking about? we had barnaby for a couple years. just kidding. lol

83-Steelers-43
10-16-2006, 08:07 AM
Ruutu is going to take penalties, some of them of the undisciplined variety - it's the product of the type of game he plays. Those who were so excited about him coming here should have expected and understood that. We can only hope that when he does get involved in physical play, that he keeps his head and draws a penalty, something he's very adept at doing, or at the very least take a player with him to the box. But I like having a guy like him in the lineup - it's something we haven't had since Darius Kasparaitis left.

And once again, he has a tendency of letting them get out of control. As long as he keeps it under control, I have no problem. As for Kaspar, I liked his intensity but he tended to take bonehead penalties. That's why NYR benched him a few games when he first arrived and now he still plays a physical game, but doesn't take himself completely out of the play by going for a hit on a guy who is at center ice completely away from play. I know what I was expecting from Ruutu, as long as he doesn't take stupid penalties and put us on the PK on a regular basis I'm happy. As already stated on two occasions, that goes for the rest of the team, unless we want Fleury facing 40 shots a night?

83-Steelers-43
10-16-2006, 08:09 AM
what are you talking about? we had barnaby for a couple years. just kidding. lol

Bring back McKenna!!! :dang:

Talk about a waste of a 6'7" hockey player. I've never seen an individual so big, do so little.

83-Steelers-43
10-16-2006, 11:43 AM
Penguins' Malkin will play Wednesday
Monday, October 16, 2006

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Penguins center Evgeni Malkin will make his NHL regular season debut Wednesday night against the New Jersey Devils at Mellon Arena, the team said today.

Malkin, 20, has been out of the lineup since his left shoulder was dislocated in a collision with teammate John LeClair in an exhibition game Sept. 20.

Malkin, the second overall pick in the 2004 NHL draft, joined the team late in the summer after a dispute over whether he had signed a new contract to play for his Russian team. Malkin said he was pressured into signing the contract.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06289/730452-100.stm

HometownGal
10-16-2006, 01:59 PM
Penguins' Malkin will play Wednesday
Monday, October 16, 2006

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Penguins center Evgeni Malkin will make his NHL regular season debut Wednesday night against the New Jersey Devils at Mellon Arena, the team said today.

Malkin, 20, has been out of the lineup since his left shoulder was dislocated in a collision with teammate John LeClair in an exhibition game Sept. 20.

Malkin, the second overall pick in the 2004 NHL draft, joined the team late in the summer after a dispute over whether he had signed a new contract to play for his Russian team. Malkin said he was pressured into signing the contract.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06289/730452-100.stm


I just got this notice a little while ago in my Inbox from the Pens - this is fantastic news! XT and I will be at the game, 83 - are you going?

Just had to tell you this - at the opener against the Flyers, I had taken everything out of my purse and put it all on my lap while searching for my cell phone during the game. I thought I put everything back in my purse and obviously I didn't, as I realized when I got home that I lost my glass case and glasses. They must have still been on my lap when I jumped up during one of the Pens' scores that night. I called the Pens' lost and found office the next day and left a detailed message. A very nice lady called me the following day and told me that my glasses were turned into her that morning and for me to come down to Gate #2 where the players come in and they would be at the guard's station.

I went down the next day around 11 AM and parked where the players park, as the woman had instructed me to do. As I was opening the door, who comes walking out the door - Evegni Malkin - LOL! I recognized him immediately. He was talking on his cell phone. I went in, got my glasses, thanked the guard and went back out the door. Evegni was standing against one of the concrete barriers with his cell phone held open and as I passed him, I looked directly at him and he turned his head and looked back at me. I didn't know what to say, as he doesn't understand much English, so I smiled at him and gave him a little wave. To my pleasant surprise, he smiled back and returned the wave. What a nice young man! :smile:

Malkin is listed at 6'3 - no way. He is at least 6'5" tall and is as skinny as a rail. I know at the Pens' rookie skate, he was standing next to Jordan Staal and he was taller than Jordan. He had nylon shorts on and his legs were about as big as straws and quite long. I hope the Pens are working to get some meat on those bones - LOL! Just had to share this story - it made my day! :banana: My daughter, who was with me and waited in my car, got on my shit because I always raz her about wearing white socks with sandals and that is exactly what Malkin had on his feet - LMAO! :sofunny:

X-Terminator
10-16-2006, 07:25 PM
I read the email on this as well - talk about having a game land in your lap! Wednesday can't get here soon enough for me! :thumbsup: :banana:

83-Steelers-43
10-17-2006, 08:22 AM
Announced yesterday that Malone, Malkin and Recchi will be the second line.......:headshake:

X-Terminator
10-17-2006, 08:57 AM
They played together during camp and looked good...according to the team. But I'd much rather see Staal on that line - time to give the kid a shot with the big boys. I think he's earned it.

cbalke
10-17-2006, 08:38 PM
Bring back McKenna!!! :dang:

Talk about a waste of a 6'7" hockey player. I've never seen an individual so big, do so little.

One of my favorites was big #33, Jim McKenzie. I don't know why exactly, but I LOVED watching that dude play.

uh-oh...feeling the urge to pull out all the old hockey fight tapes. must...resist...urge...to...transfer...all...vhs.. .fight...tapes...to...dvd....:sofunny:

HometownGal
10-17-2006, 09:17 PM
They played together during camp and looked good...according to the team. But I'd much rather see Staal on that line - time to give the kid a shot with the big boys. I think he's earned it.

I think Staal has played remarkably well, but I agree with the Pens' decision in not putting him on that second line just yet. I like the Recchi-Malkin-Malone combo - let's see what transpires there. No sense in putting 2 rooks on the same line right off the bat if the Pens have other options which they do. Time will tell, but I think Staal will work his way up to that line by mid-season if he keeps playing as well as he has. :thumbsup:

83-Steelers-43
10-18-2006, 07:40 AM
They played together during camp and looked good...according to the team. But I'd much rather see Staal on that line - time to give the kid a shot with the big boys. I think he's earned it.

I was at least hoping they would put somebody on the line with him that at least has some speed and who is actually playing good hockey at this point in time. Ekman or Staal would have been my choices. Oh well. Hopefully that line will be broken up in the near future. I'm still curious to see what this team will do when Cairns and Petrovicky come back. If they decide to send Staal down to the fourth line I hope they just send the kid down to juniors because putting him on the 4th line would be pointless.

83-Steelers-43
10-18-2006, 07:45 AM
One of my favorites was big #33, Jim McKenzie. I don't know why exactly, but I LOVED watching that dude play.

uh-oh...feeling the urge to pull out all the old hockey fight tapes. must...resist...urge...to...transfer...all...vhs.. .fight...tapes...to...dvd....:sofunny:

I still remember the Marty McSorley and Bob Probert fight. One of the better fights in the Igloo. :banana:

One guy beat a guy over the head with a hockey stick and the other was arrested for bringing powder over the Canadian/US border while having an alcohol problem. When those two powers meet, the result was that fight. A classic.

HometownGal
10-18-2006, 07:53 AM
Good write-up on Malkin and his debut tonight at Mellon Arena. :thumbsup:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HKN_MALKINS_DEBUT?SITE=PAGRE&SECTION=SPORTS

Recchi compares rookie Malkin to Lemieux

By ALAN ROBINSON
AP Sports Writer

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Mark Recchi dares to mention Evgeni Malkin in the same sentence as the one player in Pittsburgh Penguins history to whom almost no one is ever compared. Yes, No. 66.

Malkin won't play his first shift, take his first shot, make his first pass until the Penguins face the New Jersey Devils on Wednesday. That didn't prevent Recchi and Sidney Crosby from bringing up the same name - Mario Lemieux - when they were asked how good the 20-year-old Russian center is.

"He's really good. He's going to be scary good," Recchi said Tuesday. "I hate to bring up this comparison, but I don't think we've seen anybody with his size who can skate like him and do as much as him. He's as close to Mario as we're going to see for a long time."

Recchi wasn't suggesting the 6-foot-4 Malkin will threaten to score 200 points in a season or average nearly 2 points per game for his career as Lemieux did before retiring in January for the second time.

Rather, it is how Malkin plays the game that, to Recchi, makes him resemble Lemieux. The uncanny ability to see a play develop before it occurs. To put a pass directly onto a stick through heavy traffic. To improvise and create a goal when there seems to be no possibility of doing so.

"Obviously, some people have tried to pass that torch along to other people, but the way he skates and sees the ice, he's the whole package," Recchi said.

Maybe a slightly taller version of Crosby, who had 102 points in his rookie year at age 18 last season?

"He's going to surprise people with how good he is," forward Colby Armstrong said. "He's got confidence with the puck, he's a smooth skater, he makes things happen with the puck, he can score. It seems like he scores every time he shoots on net (in practice)."

Malkin's NHL debut was delayed nearly a month by a dislocated left shoulder that occurred when he and teammate John LeClair collided behind the net during a Sept. 20 exhibition game. Malkin's recovery time was slightly faster than expected, and the Penguins have gone 2-2 without him.

They expect to be better now that he is playing, though there will be some nervousness on their part until Malkin shows he can take hits on his left shoulder without reinjuring it.

"My arm is in good shape, so everything is good. I just want to play hockey," said Malkin, speaking through an interpreter, defenseman Sergei Gonchar.

For now, Malkin will center the No. 2 line with Ryan Malone at left wing and Recchi on his right.

Crosby and Malkin likely will play together on the power play, where the Penguins are 12th in the NHL with a 19.2 percent conversion rate.

"I'm thinking selfishly, but I can't wait to play with him," Crosby said. "When you get a chance to play with someone like that, it's like it was with Mario - you don't know what's going to happen, but you know you're going to create something. With a creative mind like that, you don't know what to expect and it makes for an element of surprise."

Malkin was the No. 2 pick in the 2004 draft, one spot behind fellow Russian star Alexander Ovechkin. Malkin played last season for Magnitogorsk of the Russian Super League, but sneaked away from that team in August and made his way to the United States so he could play in the NHL.

Gonchar, who played with Ovechkin and Malkin on Russia's Olympic team last winter, said it is difficult to compare the two because their games are dissimilar. Ovechkin was the rookie of the year last season with 106 points for Washington.

"My personal feeling is Ovechkin is going to be like Pavel Bure, who's going to score a lot of goals and shoot the puck a lot," Gonchar said. "Evgeni, I see him as a Sergei Fedorov who plays well in both ends of the ice and kills penalties. He can do it all. He can score. He can create offense. He'll be there for you in an every-game situation. So it's really hard to say who is better."

83-Steelers-43
10-18-2006, 07:54 AM
In other hockey news, NJ fans have proven once again why they suck. Between their shitty attendance even when their teams are winning cups and now this.......

Brodeur booed

Martin Brodeur has led New Jersey to three Stanley Cups and, tonight, could become the third goalie in NHL history to record 450 victories. But Thursday, he was booed by the home crowd after allowing five goals during the second period of a 7-6 shootout victory against Toronto.

Brodeur shrugged off the indignity, telling reporters that fans who pay $90 for seats are allowed to boo if they want. His counterparts with the Penguins, however, seemed genuinely taken aback yesterday upon learning how the New Jersey fans had turned on him, even if it was during the worst home period of his career.

"He's done so many great things for that team, that organization," Marc-Andre Fleury said. "He's been there his whole career. He's one of the best goalies in the world. I don't care what happens, [booing him isn't justified]."

"I'm really surprised," Jocelyn Thibault said. "He's one of the best who's ever played. I guess Patrick Roy has been booed -- all those really good players have been booed once in their careers -- so I guess he's no different."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06291/730891-61.stm

And we might lose our hockey team?!?!?!?!

83-Steelers-43
10-19-2006, 06:45 AM
A few thoughts and opinions....

The Good:

Fleury. Minus the amount of rebounds he gave up, he played another great game. First period "save" was beautiful.

Malkin. Better than advertised. Not much else to say. Give him somebody to play with.

Eaton. Proving that is the most reliable defenseman on this roster.

More shots on net. Nice to see us shooting the puck. Brodeur is just too damn good. He ultimately won that game for them.

The Bad:

Since when do we play two goaltenders at the same time? Defense needs to pick up a man instead of standing next to Fleury in the crease and playing goalie. Our lack of physical defenseman is not helping this team.

We like to dump the puck, but we don't like to chase. We might as well help the opposing team break out while we are at it.

Between John Madden and Marty Brodeur, Crosby never had a chance last night. Both played an excellent game. Madden always plays us strong. At the same time, our wingers on the first two lines need to step it up. Army and Ekman are not helping out Sid all that much. On two different occasions I saw Sid crack his stick against the boards during a line change. He's frustrated and understandably so. If Crosby is getting blanketed by the oppositions top D Men (which is going to continue to happen), his wingers need to start generating offense themselves and they can't. It's either Crosby or nothing on that 1st line.

As expected (for me at least), Malone and Recchi looked horrible. Nothing new or surprising. I'll take Stone, Staal or Talbot on the first or second line. It's better than watching Malone and Recchi.

Letang. Still young, but that first goal was all on him. I would not be surprised to see him sent down to juniors. He still has much to learn and in time I think he will turn out to be a pretty solid defenseman.

The Refs. I normally don't jump on the refs, but this game was a little shaky when it came to the officials.

LeClair. Minus him parking his butt in front of the net on the PP, he's becoming a liability. It's painful to watch him skate.

Here's to hoping we will turn it around against the Isles tonight.

HometownGal
10-19-2006, 07:32 AM
I agree with most of your comments, 83, but I felt Gonch also had a pretty good game overall. He has never been pegged as a physical defenseman - he is more of a positional D-man, though several times last night, I did see him taking a Devil into the boards. He has been pretty consistent in his play, imho, and I like his pairing with Eaton. What I don't understand, though, is why the hell Melichar is still here??? On the Devils' second goal, he was standing right beside Fleury like a statue instead of playing his man (who scored the goal). The Pens' penalty kill was damned good - something we aren't used to. Brodeur was just outstanding last night and the officiating sucked. The holding and interference calls they overlooked on the Devils was pathetic.

It was great being there to see Malkin get his first NHL goal! Congrats Evegni! :cheers:

X-Terminator
10-20-2006, 12:18 AM
And for an encore performance, Malkin gets his second goal tonight that tied the game at 3! :thumbsup: The things this kid can do with the puck is amazing for a guy his size, and he can create so much room out there for himself. And he obviously has very soft, very fast hands - only a few players could have put that puck in. When he starts feeling more comfortable out there and gets in his groove, he's going to start filling the net and become a fixture on the highlight shows.

I saw some very encouraging things tonight out there. First of all, they showed a lot of moxie to come from behind to win this game after giving up 3 goals in less than 2 minutes at the end of the second period - I don't believe they won a game last season when down after 2 periods. They would have either self-destructed and given the game away in the 3rd or found a way to lose in OT/shootout if it ever got there. Their PK really came up huge in the third when the game was on the line, a FAR cry from the past 2 seasons. Other than the Ranger game and the 2 PPG allowed tonight, this unit has been really solid thus far. It was nice to see Ekman and Gonchar finally get goals, and Gonchar couldn't have picked a better time for his first goal of the season. They also got over 30 shots for the second straight night - 36 SOG tonight after getting 38 last night - very nice. And once again, Fleury was solid in between the pipes. But they still need to sure up their defense - the Islanders were getting way too much room to skate through the neutral zone tonight. 37 more shots allowed tonight - at this rate, Fleury is going to be worn out before the end of the year. Of course, staying out of the penalty box would go a long way toward getting the shots down. And as much as I love Sid, he needs to stop embellishing every time he gets touched. He already has the reputation around the league as being a diver, and that does nothing to help him. Eventually the refs are going to start putting away the whistle and he won't get nearly as many calls. All in all, it was a nice win and we've moved ahead of the Rangers into second place in the division.

Next up, Columbus at home Saturday night. Would be nice to snap our 3-game home losing streak! Also, expect Thibault to get his first start of the season to give Fleury some well-deserved rest.

HometownGal
10-20-2006, 07:38 AM
Twas quite a good game! :bouncy: I agree, XT - the defense needs to step it up a bit and stop allowing opponents to have a free skate in the neutral zone. I continue to be very impressed with the PK. Recchi played his ass off last night and I like him on the line with Malkin - some good vet leadership and he can still shoot that puck. What else can be said about Malkin - he's awesome! It is difficult to see on TV exactly how well this kid performs - I focus on him when he is out on the ice at the arena and am just awed how fast and skilled he is with the puck. In fairness to Sid - he had his neck twisted several times last night and didn't go off like he did last season which is a good thing. He seems to have matured some and is keeping his composure. Fleury was, yet again, stellar in goal even though the Isles scored 3. And of course, my guy - Gonch - scored the game winner! :banana: 'Grats Pens on a well deserved win!

83-Steelers-43
10-20-2006, 09:30 AM
Minus our lapse in the second period, I thought we played a good game overall.

The Great:

Crosby. Sid was on a mission from God last night. From the drop of the puck until Gonchar’s OT goal he was on fire.

Malkin. He played a great game once again. Goal, assist and a screen.

The Good:

Fleury. A few lucky bounces the Isles way, but played a good game (3rd period in particular).

Therrien. For making the decision to play Fleury. I was expecting Thibault to start last night. Thankfully Therrien made the right decision and went with the hot hand.

Gonchar. Nice to see him find the back of the net. Played a solid game overall. Hopefully he can keep it up for a full season and not fall back on his last season showing. Still would like to see better decision making on his part.

Malone. On the PK he looked like he actually wanted to play hockey for the first time this season. Good hustle. Now if he can only find the back of the net.

So/So:

LeClair. Hustled his butt off last night. Good forecheck.

Staal. Great on the PK. Good hustle.

Ouellet. Knows his role and is playing it very well. Is not afraid to take a beating in front of the net. It’s worth noting that 67% of his goals in the minors were on the PP.

Ekman. Nice to see him net one. Need more of that from him.

Recchi. See Malone minus the PK. Was actually noticable for the first time this season.

The Bad:

The defense in general during the second period. Had problems clearing the crease and picking up a man around the net. I’m still not comfortable with the way this defense plays. Ryan Whitney in particular played a pretty bad game.

Ted Nolan for making idiotic post game comments. Sour grapes.....

"I think for a world class player, for a guy of his caliber, he's diving every time someone touches him," Islanders coach Ted Nolan said. "No question in my mind, he should have been called for a slash before Yashin had a chance to hook him.

"I'm not saying Yashin's wasn't a penalty, I'm just saying there should have been a penalty before. If Yashin maybe acted like Crosby and dove, maybe he would have gotten that call."

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Recap&gnum=95&seas=20062007&gtype=2

X-Terminator
10-20-2006, 10:19 AM
Nolan obviously went to the Mike Holmgren school of sour grapes. I read that last night and thought the same thing - what an idiot. No wonder he couldn't get another NHL coaching job until this year.

Also, Ouellet needs to be on the top PP unit to have that right-handed shot on the left side. He'd easily net 15-20 PPG with Crosby and Malkin feeding him pucks all season.

tony hipchest
10-20-2006, 10:35 AM
im lucky if the penguins are on in my area 5-6 times a year. i really only see them when they make the playoffs. thanks for the great brekdowns 83, X, and HTG

augustashark
10-20-2006, 03:49 PM
The D must get better! If not then we will have another long season.

83-Steelers-43
10-21-2006, 08:58 AM
Therrien sticking with Fleury tonight against the BJ's. Smart man.

83-Steelers-43
10-22-2006, 07:03 AM
Good performance for the most part. 5-3 Penguins victory over the Blue Jackets.

Great:

Staal. Two shorthanded goals last night (one on a penalty shot). Not only should he stay up at the NHL level, but we can't afford to send him down to the juniors.

Malkin. Another goal assisted by Sid. Kid is unbelievable. Not much else to say.

Fleury. Another good showing. Keep riding him. He has two days of rest before we suit up against the Devils.

Gonchar. PP goal and decision making was better compared to past nights. Seems like when Malkin is out there, Gonchar is on target. He's not shooting the puck up in D section or having as many brain farts as he did for the majority of last season. Hopefully that stays the same.

Good:

Ouellet. Would like to see him start netting goals 5 on 5 (along with the rest of our wingers) but I can't complain about the kid. He's doing his job for the most part.

Eaton. Shot blocking master. Seems to always be in the right place at the right time.

Moore. Throws his body around. Solid on the PK.

So/so:

Malone. Solid on the PK and it was nice to see him stick up for Crosby, but he is lost out there on 5 on 5 and doesn't do nearly enough to deserve first line status. Injured his hand last night, maybe opens up a spot for Staal to play on the first or second line where he deserves to be. Kid has earned it.

Letang. Threw a nice hit, didn't notice him giving up the puck, taking himself out of position or being a step behind anyone. Still think he will be sent down to juniors.

Scuderi. Made a nice play on Staal's first goal, and good work on the PK.


The Bad:

Whitney. Horrible defensive play. Following puck/man behind the net leaving no D-man in front of the crease leading to a goal.

Armstrong. Where has he been? Since the Letowski hit, he hasn't touched a body. More importantly, he can find the back of the net. He's not the same Army as last season, that's for sure. Also, a turn over which led to a Ranger PP goal.

LeClair. I think it's safe to stick a knife in LeClair. Much like Recchi, his best/good/average days are behind him. It's hard to watch.

Roy. Why is he on this team? He doesn't fight. He's getting paid a million a year (CP decision, go figure).

First ten minutes of the second period. Scary how this team blows leads. Second period we come out looking completely dazed and confused. We need to work on carrying over the same intensity we come out with in the first period over to the second period.

Bring on the Devils.

X-Terminator
10-22-2006, 11:15 AM
Looks like Therrien took my advice and put Ouellet on the top PP unit, and pulled Recchi off - good decision. He'd probably score more 5-on-5 goals if he played on one of the top 2 lines, but that probably won't happen. He is a PP specialist, and I have no issue with that so long as he keeps scoring. I also agree that it's time to move Staal up to the 2nd line with Malkin - no question that he's earned it. Army will be fine - I'm not worried about him. This is really the first time he's been counted on to be a major contributor and maybe he's having difficulty handling it, but I'm confident he'll turn things around. As for Whitney, I really do like the kid and think he will develop into a rock-solid 2-way defenseman, but his decision-making has left a lot to be desired. I see him running around way too much in his own end and is caught out of position more often than not. He's also not physical enough for a guy his size - I've seen Gonchar play the body better than he has, and he's not known as a physical defenseman by any stretch. He has to improve that aspect of his game, and sooner rather than later.

And if Andre Roy isn't going to fight, he's useless to this team and should be sitting in the press box. It's like he got his million bucks and has gone soft. Put somebody in there with more grit and more willingness to fight when needed - hopefully when Cairns is healthy, he'll take over as our enforcer. Therrien has already said he plans to play him when he's ready.

Also, I know you don't want to see this, but I'd like to see Ruutu find his "inner bastard" again. He's not raising nearly as much hell as he usually does, though he has drawn a few penalties and has obviously been very good on the PK. Isn't that what he was brought in here for?

83-Steelers-43
10-22-2006, 11:22 AM
lol, oh man. I have no problem with Ruutu playing a physical game and drawing penalties. That is why we brought him in here. I just don't want him to make it a habit of taking dumb penalties at the wrong time. What I "don't want to see" is Fleury having to stop over 40 shots a night because of dumb penalties. Choose your targets wisely, light them up, fight when the time arrives (at the right time) and don't take dumb penalties. As stated on........five different occasions now, that goes for the rest of the team.

Also, I have no problem with Ruutu releasing his "inner bastard" nor did I expect Ruutu to come in here and become a flower child while doing triple lutz's at center ice in a tight skinned pink leotard. I just want physical, disciplined play. That's all. I'm sure Therrien and Shero want the same. It's not exactly an unreasonable request.

Petesburgh66
10-22-2006, 12:27 PM
Ruutu has a history of taking dumb penalties in Vancouver. The Penguins knew what they were getting from him.

Petesburgh66
10-22-2006, 12:34 PM
And if Andre Roy isn't going to fight, he's useless to this team and should be sitting in the press box. It's like he got his million bucks and has gone soft. Put somebody in there with more grit and more willingness to fight when needed - hopefully when Cairns is healthy, he'll take over as our enforcer. Therrien has already said he plans to play him when he's ready.

Roy was brought in to protect Crosby. In the games I saw last year, he failed to do this. It could have been worse. Remember Roy was plan B as Mario wanted to bring in Tie Domi. But Domi's play was just brutal last year and hence the reason why the Leafs bought him out for this season. Toronto loved Tie. But they turned on him last year making him the whiping boy for the team's play.

As for Cairns, he was brought in because Roy wasn't protecting Crosby. Cairns is just a pilon in my books and not suited for the new NHL style. He is a liability on the ice.

X-Terminator
10-23-2006, 12:19 AM
lol, oh man. I have no problem with Ruutu playing a physical game and drawing penalties. That is why we brought him in here. I just don't want him to make it a habit of taking dumb penalties at the wrong time. What I "don't want to see" is Fleury having to stop over 40 shots a night because of dumb penalties. Choose your targets wisely, light them up, fight when the time arrives (at the right time) and don't take dumb penalties. As stated on........five different occasions now, that goes for the rest of the team.

Also, I have no problem with Ruutu releasing his "inner bastard" nor did I expect Ruutu to come in here and become a flower child while doing triple lutz's at center ice in a tight skinned pink leotard. I just want physical, disciplined play. That's all. I'm sure Therrien and Shero want the same. It's not exactly an unreasonable request.

OK, fair enough. It certainly is not an unreasonable request and it is what I prefer as well. I just want to see a little more of the reason why the man piled up 124 PIMs last season. Am I wrong for that? I'm an old-school hockey fan, and enjoy the rough stuff as well as the great plays and players (though the former doesn't happen nearly as much as it used to, because you can't breathe on a player without a friggin penalty being called).

83-Steelers-43
10-23-2006, 06:02 AM
OK, fair enough. It certainly is not an unreasonable request and it is what I prefer as well. I just want to see a little more of the reason why the man piled up 124 PIMs last season. Am I wrong for that? I'm an old-school hockey fan, and enjoy the rough stuff as well as the great plays and players (though the former doesn't happen nearly as much as it used to, because you can't breathe on a player without a friggin penalty being called).

I'd love to see why the man piled up 124 PIMs last season, but I don't want to see 124 PIMs. Not with this defense. I love old school hockey, I've been going to games since I was four years old. I enjoy the hard hits and when the gloves come off. At the same time, I don't want to watch this team killing penalties with a mediocre defense on a regular basis. We can play a physical game and not take dumb penalties.

As for the way the game is being called. I guess we agree to disagree. I personally have no problem with the way the game is being called. It's nice to see that the clutching and hooking is finally being called. I enjoy seeing what a Crosby, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Gionta can do when they don't have to carry a player on their back. Do I catch myself saying "Oh!! That's a weak call!!"? Sure and at times they are weak calls. It happens. But then I think back to the days when Lemieux and Jagr were practically getting raped on the ice and not a whistle blown.

X-Terminator
10-23-2006, 06:44 AM
I'd love to see why the man piled up 124 PIMs last season, but I don't want to see 124 PIMs. Not with this defense. I love old school hockey, I've been going to games since I was four years old. I enjoy the hard hits and when the gloves come off. At the same time, I don't want to watch this team killing penalties with a mediocre defense on a regular basis. We can play a physical game and not take dumb penalties.

As for the way the game is being called. I guess we agree to disagree. I personally have no problem with the way the game is being called. It's nice to see that the clutching and hooking is finally being called. I enjoy seeing what a Crosby, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Gionta can do when they don't have to carry a player on their back. Do I catch myself saying "Oh!! That's a weak call!!"? Sure and at times they are weak calls. It happens. But then I think back to the days when Lemieux and Jagr were practically getting raped on the ice and not a whistle blown.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that they are cracking down on the clutching and grabbing. I was one of the fans screaming the loudest for changing or enforcing the rules to open up the game. But I believe they went overboard, to the point where it's taken a lot of the aggressiveness and physical play out of the game. Players are afraid to hit or finish their checks for fear of getting a penalty, many of the hooking calls are totally bogus, and defensemen are at a complete disadvantage in front of their own net. Plus, they need to get rid of the misconduct penalty for instigating - enforcers can't enforce nor can players stick up for their teammates like Malone did if they know they're going to sit in the box for 17 minutes. There has to be a happy medium, where the offensive players can shine while the defense can still do their jobs. Hopefully the players will adjust to the rules to bring that medium, but right now, offense rules.

X-Terminator
10-24-2006, 12:25 AM
Malone out 4-6 weeks with a broken arm:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/s_476225.html

Monday, October 23, 2006

Ryan Malone paid a high price for deciding to fight Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Rostislav Klesla in the Penguins' 5-3 victory Saturday night at Mellon Arena.

The Penguins' forward will miss 4-6 weeks because of a broken left forearm sustained when he made contact with Klesla.

Malone was coming to teammate Sidney Crosby's defense at 12:51 of the second period after the star center was knocked down by Klesla. Malone was sporting a cast after the game, and the Penguins confirmed yesterday that the forearm was broken.

Malone had gotten off to a slow start this season. In seven games, he had just one assist and no goals, and his minus-4 was tied for worst on the team. He also had a team-high 19 penalty minutes.

X-Terminator
10-24-2006, 12:32 AM
That's too bad for Malone, getting hurt while sticking up for Sid. He showed some heart there and did what Andre Roy should be doing.

As a result, Staal moves up to 2nd line center between Ekman and Recchi, and Crosby and Malkin will be linemates, which will no doubt give Devils' coach Claude Julien a bad case of indigestion :grin:

Also, Noah Welch has been recalled from WBS, likely a move to see what they have in him before deciding whether or not to send Kris Letang back to juniors, and Fleury will get the start tomorrow night.

83-Steelers-43
10-24-2006, 06:47 AM
While I obviously never want to see a player get injured (Darcy Tucker maybe) let alone a Penguin player, Malone going down could be a blessing. Time to watch Staal play where he is supposed to be playing.

As for Malkin on the first line. I wish we had a good solid winger to put on the other side of Sid. Ekman is not exactly living up to his San Jose status. Army is quiet. Recchi is Recchi. Malone, when healthy was Malone of the first half of last season. While it's a thing of beauty to watch those two play next to each other, I would much rather see the talent spread out over two lines.

In my opinion, over the last three games I think it's evident where Letang belongs, in juniors. That's not a diss on Letang, but he's young and inexperienced. As for Noah Welch, he looked good last season when he came up but the last game he played this season in the NHL he looked horrible. Hopefully he can step it up this time around and prove to the team he can play at the NHL level.

Malkin to first line article: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06297/732432-61.stm

Welch called up; Letang awaits decision article: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06297/732441-61.stm

X-Terminator
10-24-2006, 07:01 AM
In Ekman's defense, he's been playing with a slightly strained hamstring much of the season, so that may have been affecting his performance. Hopefully he'll start picking up his game - he's shown signs of it the past 2 games.

83-Steelers-43
10-24-2006, 07:13 AM
If that is the case with Ekman, then he should have asked Therrien for a few games off to let the hamstring heal. That's if it was bothering him. Eitherway, hopefully he steps up and starts netting some goals. Relying on Gonchar, Malkin, Sid and Ouellet (on the PP only it seems) for goals is not going to cut it.

It doesn't happen often, but here's to hoping Brodeur has an off-night.

cbalke
10-24-2006, 08:22 AM
dude, he's a hockey player. ain't no way he's asking for time off. especially if he ever wants to play for therrien again. that's just something you don't do, man. if he can walk, he'll lace up the skates and try to play, that's what being a hockey player is all about.

83-Steelers-43
10-24-2006, 08:30 AM
dude, he's a hockey player. ain't no way he's asking for time off. especially if he ever wants to play for therrien again. that's just something you don't do, man. if he can walk, he'll lace up the skates and try to play, that's what being a hockey player is all about.

To heal a supposed injured hamstring? If a player asked Therrien to rest a hamstring or play hurt and put the team in jeopardy I think Therrien would understand. Winning is his first priority. On top of that, what would be the repercussions on Ekman? Therrien would bench him? Please, with the lack of scoring from our wingers as it is already?

I don't think it would be the end of Ekman's career as he know's it if he asked to nurse a hamstring which has the potential of becoming worse over time. If we were fighting for a playoff spot or actually in the playoffs I could understand. We are eight games into the season....lol. I think it's safe for Ekman to state that instead of not being able to play to his full potential and the chance of the injury worsening, that he would like to sit a game or two while it only being the month of October.

83-Steelers-43
10-24-2006, 09:15 AM
Penguins recall Maxime Talbot
Tuesday, October 24, 2006

By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins today recalled center Maxime Talbot from their American Hockey League affiliate, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.

The Penguins will be without center/winger Ryan Malone for several weeks because of a broken arm.

Talbot, 22, leads Wilkes-Barre/Scranton with four goals in five games and leads the team with three game-winning goals, the game-winners coming in Wilkes-Barre's last three games. Talbot also has posted a plus-1 rating with two penalty minutes.

The 5-foot-11, 190-pound native of Lemoyne, Quebec, appeared in 48 games with Pittsburgh last season, recording five goals and eight points, with 59 penalty minutes.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06297/732502-100.stm

cbalke
10-24-2006, 09:46 AM
as a player, you never, ever ask a coach for time off. especially if you're a mediocre player, which ekman is. you always let the trainers, etc handle that for you. the trainer will go to the coach and tell him 'dude needs to rest his hamstring, give him a couple games off'. the player will always put himself in skates given his choice.

your statement is not illogical at all. just the opposite, what you said makes the most sense. but, that ain't reality, either.

this is hockey and hockey players play. always. guys play through injuries all the time. what if paul coffey asked for time off for his jaw to heal? no stanley cup for us that year, i guarantee it.

therrian's old school. he doesn't want to hear a player whining about letting his leg heal up. he wants guys who want to play no matter what. that's why the trainer is so valuable on a hockey team, especially.

83-Steelers-43
10-24-2006, 09:56 AM
So your saying a hockey player never asked for time to heal this early in the season?

cbalke
10-24-2006, 10:03 AM
i'm not saying that at all.

X-Terminator
10-25-2006, 01:44 AM
Well, it looks as if Ekman is starting to hit his stride - a goal and an assist tonight. In addition to the injury, which appears to be fine, maybe he just needed some time to adjust to playing in the East. We play a tighter-checking, more defense-oriented game in the East, whereas the West is about up-tempo, hard-hitting hockey.

All in all, it was a very solid effort all around from the boys tonight. Staal finally scored a goal that wasn't shorthanded, Crosby had a goal and an assist, and Malkin...oh man, if you haven't seen the highlight of the goal he scored tonight, go to their website and check it out. It was absolutely unbelievable, and...I have to say it...Mario-esque. It was even more impressive watching it live. I think the one Devils' D he faked out is still looking for his jock - LOL! But the most encouraging thing about this game is that they held the Devils to just 22 shots on goal and played pretty sound defense all night. I didn't see too much running around and D getting caught out of position, except for Melichar who forgot - again - to box out his man in front of the net (in this case, Scott Gomez) and allowed him to score the Devils' first goal. I'm hoping they're able to keep that up, and take pressure off Fleury, who BTW was solid again between the pipes tonight.

The FIRST PLACE Penguins. Sounds pretty damn good, doesn't it? :thumbsup:

83-Steelers-43
10-25-2006, 02:28 AM
Malkin Goal: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=05RAZ338

Type in three letter code top right corner of screen to download. It's worth it if you want to see one hell of a goal while in hi-def.

As for great/good/so-so/bad.

Everybody either played great, good or so/so last night. Hats off to the team for a great showing.

X-Terminator
10-25-2006, 06:31 AM
Thanks for the clip, but I found that it does not play well in any of the standard media players (Windows Media Player, RealPlayer or DiVX Player) - the video plays like it's in fast forward with normal sound. However, it will play fine in VLC Media Player, which is a great little media player that will play literally everything, and it's FREE. Go to http://www.videolan.org to download.

cbalke
10-25-2006, 08:04 AM
The FIRST PLACE Penguins. Sounds pretty damn good, doesn't it? :thumbsup:

my sentiments exactly! :)

and thanks, 83, for the clip. kudos, man.

83-Steelers-43
10-25-2006, 10:19 AM
No problem Cbalke. Glad you enjoyed it.

X, worked fine with my media player.

cbalke
10-25-2006, 10:58 AM
x - you may want to download the cole2k media pack. it's free and will help those files play in media player for you. oh - have you downloaded media player 11? if so, immediately roll back to 10 and i can go further into removing their default codecs if you need me to....

X-Terminator
10-25-2006, 04:49 PM
I was on my laptop at the time, so I'll try downloading that, but I have the K-lite Codec Pack on my home PC, which I'm on now, and it still didn't work. Maybe if I wasn't using a 5-year old video card at home, I wouldn't have so many problems, but oh well. It works for me with VLC on both.

cbalke
10-26-2006, 08:01 AM
heheh - gotta love the old stuff. i highly recommend that cole2k pack, though. it's hands-down the best compilation of codecs around. i think it's cole2k.net, but i'm not entirely sure. let me know if you need any help, though.... :)

cbalke
10-27-2006, 11:07 AM
i've watched that clip a couple times now. i want to say that crosby's pass to break malkin was absolutely stunning. man, there are very few people in the league who can just head up, turn around, and fire a rocket tape-to-tape like that and keep the speed of the puck. just incredible. i'm still all giddy watching that play.

X-Terminator
10-27-2006, 11:58 PM
I uninstalled the K-lite Codec pack I was using and installed the Cole2k pack, and now the clip runs fine in Media Player. Thanks man! :)

cbalke
10-28-2006, 07:50 AM
:) glad to help, man. can't bear to think of a fellow steelers/pens fan with inferior codecs. ;)

83-Steelers-43
10-28-2006, 09:19 AM
Apparently Karl Stewart was picked up off waivers by the Chicago Blackhawks. Basically boiled down to keeping Thorburn or Stewart.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/transactions/

Also looks like Cairns was assigned to WBS/Scranton for conditioning assignments. Hopefully when he's healthy we can see a Witt vs Cairns fight during our next meeting with the Isles on Nov. 24.

cbalke
10-28-2006, 07:38 PM
wow - i just saw pens are up 6-1 on the flyers. crosby's already got the hat. that's nice. i ran down the box score on espn and it looks like we're really working the puck around to get those goals. good stuff.

i can't believe malkin has scored in every game so far. anyone got a stat on a record streak for that?

SteelCityMan786
10-28-2006, 08:21 PM
It's 8-2 now. Man, who is this team, they look like a more improved team. KEEP IT UP!

Stillers#1
10-28-2006, 08:35 PM
Man, I might actually have a reasosn to get the NHL season pass this year.

X-Terminator
10-28-2006, 08:50 PM
After that dismantling of the Flyers, I wonder who they're going to fire now? LOL! The Flyers are just a bad, bad hockey team and their defense actually makes ours from last season look like the Devils from the 90s. Plus, it was nice to see Hatcher get ragdolled by Thorburn and then his pocket picked by Sid for his HT :)

The Pens made a major statement tonight with this win, IMO. But the real test is coming up when they play 3 pretty good teams in LA, SJ and Anaheim. If they get at least 3 points out of those games, I'd be happy.

83-Steelers-43
10-28-2006, 08:52 PM
Final: Pens - 8 Cryers - 2

My only complaint tonight (and since game one), Ryan Whitney needs to learn how to play defense. He basically had an assist tonight for Philly.

Side note. Mr. Hatcher with a -4 tonight. Crosby robbed him. PP goal while he was in the box. Beautiful.

83-Steelers-43
10-28-2006, 08:53 PM
Flyers defense = OLD

Flyers goaltending = overrated (Eshe BJ's in years past).

I love it.

83-Steelers-43
10-28-2006, 09:09 PM
It's not even worth giving an overview, the score speaks volumes.

X-Terminator
10-28-2006, 11:37 PM
Well, it's certainly gotten Flyer fans upset, as evidenced from a few posts on a hockey message board I'm on lol...

83-Steelers-43
10-29-2006, 05:42 AM
It's beautiful to hear over half of the Wachovia Center boo the hell out of Sid and then watch him get the HT...lol.

PisnNapalm
10-29-2006, 06:59 AM
I live near Philly and Flyer fans are near suicidal. I love it! I watched some of the game. It was on Comcast here. One of the announcers is Kieth Jones. He used to play for the Flyers. He's also part of the sports talk morning show in Philly.

Since he's started doing the color commentary for Flyers games, they haven't won yet. LOL!! I almost feel bad for the guy.

83-Steelers-43
10-29-2006, 02:49 PM
See ya next time Philly: http://the.flyers.justgotowned.com/

X-Terminator
10-30-2006, 04:29 AM
Why are the Pens winning so far? Here are some key stats:

3rd in scoring - 3.67 GF/G (Pens were tied for 17th last season at 2.96)
11th in goals allowed - 2.67 GAA (Pens were dead last last season at 3.78)
4th in PP - 23.1% (Pens were 6th last season at 19.0%)
11th in PK - 85.5% (Pens were 29th last season at 78.8%, edging the Kings by 0.1%)

More than a half a goal more per game, allowing more than a goal per game less and a nearly 7% increase in PK. That's how you win hockey games.

EDIT - Just to emphasize how much improved their PK is, 85.5% would have been good enough for 3rd last season. Not too shabby.

83-Steelers-43
10-30-2006, 10:34 AM
Penguins keep Jordan Staal, send down Kris Letang
Monday, October 30, 2006

By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Rookie center Jordan Staal is staying with the Penguins, at least for now.

Today's decision, announced by general manager Ray Shero, to keep Staal, 18, means that that the first season of his three-year entry-level contract will be activated when he appears in his next NHL game.

Staal has four goals -- three of them short-handed -- and one assist in nine games with the Penguins. He has been used primarily on the fourth line and as a penalty-killer, but acquitted himself well while playing on the No. 2 line during the past two games.

The next deadline of note for Staal will come as mid-season approaches, because he can remain on the NHL roster for as many as 39 games before the seven-year clock that could lead to unrestricted free agency at age 25 is triggered.

The Penguins also decided to return defenseman Kris Letang, 19. to Val d'Or of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06303/734185-100.stm

X-Terminator
10-30-2006, 11:22 AM
This really was a no-brainer - they absolutely had to keep Staal on the squad. The kid has more than earned it. Who cares about the future contract problem with him and Malkin? That's 3 years from now - plenty of time to plan a strategy to work around whatever the salary cap figure will be at the time.

cbalke
10-30-2006, 12:40 PM
good call, the kid makes the team better without a doubt. i'm pretty excited about this season, we're looking really, really good.

LarryNJ
10-30-2006, 01:00 PM
I agree that was the only thing to do. I went to the game in Philly on Saturday, it was awesome to see the young kids quiet the Flyers fans. Crosby totally embarassed Hatcher. Loved it!