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Livinginthe past
10-09-2006, 02:15 PM
Hey all,

Just thought id jot down a few thoughts regarding the Steelers season so far, it has been absorbing stuff although obviously not very enjoyable for most of you guys.

I think alot of the poster related anguish has been caused by unrealistic expectations running into this season.

I have said this many times, but all teams have their weaknesses be it on offense or on defense - its how you cope and adapt throughout the season that defines how and when that season finishes.

Alot of our 'new' posters seem to think that Steelers regular season success was pretty much a given this year based upon winning the SB last year.

Its the same thing that plagues the Patriots board, despite mostly winning under BB and Kraft it doesnt take too long for fans to turn against them - the odd bad result is enough to ensure all sorts of crazy talk.

Well last years regular season wasn't particularly impressive from a Steeler point of view, and as you all remember it required favors from other teams to get you into the postseason.

What happened in the postseason from that point on was pretty astonishing, the uncharacteristic freedom that Pittsburgh played with was unlike any other Cowher led playoff team.

Alot of factors fell into place to make Pittsburgh champions last year, but I cant really think of a time when they were dominant over a period of 3 or 4 games consecutively.

Pittsburgh was a good team last year, that played great at the right times and they would have been exactly the same this year (a good team, that is) if it wasn't for the injury problems suffered by Ben.

Cowher remains a good coach, but obviously not a great one, who leads a good team.

Every game is a battle, that talk of 13-3 is a little on the crazy side but 10-6 is attainable - and maybe that will be enough to get you into the postseason..and from then on...who knows?

Never throw the towel in before the fat lady sings, you'll only look foolish trying to scramble back on the bandwagon if it all comes back together.

NM

Mosca
10-09-2006, 02:21 PM
Hehe LITP, 13-3 is only my perpetual optimism.

Looking forward I expect to close 100% of my customers. Looking backwards I'm satisfied with 40%. But in order to get to 40% you have to go in expecting to close 100%, or else you wind up at 16%.


Tom

Black@Gold Forever32
10-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Nice post and I would tend to agree with alot you said in that post. But even with the Steelers 7-5 they still had that feel that they could turn it around and really make a run. This team doesn't have that this year. They really don't. But they had Jerome Bettis to lean on for leadership to rally them when they had a lossing streak. I think someone needs to step up and be that leader.

I don't care if the Steelers finish 1-15 they will still be my team. But I think this team will like the 2001 Pats after winning the Super Bowl. The next year in 2002 the Pats went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. The Pats refocused and redeticated themselves after feeling that let down of not being able to defend their title in 2002 to win the next two Super Bowls. The same could happen for the Steelers in 2007 and 2008.

LITP, the Pats didn't dominate teams in 2001 either just like the Steelers in 2005.

Livinginthe past
10-09-2006, 02:28 PM
Hehe LITP, 13-3 is only my perpetual optimism.

Looking forward I expect to close 100% of my customers. Looking backwards I'm satisfied with 40%. But in order to get to 40% you have to go in expecting to close 100%, or else you wind up at 16%.


Tom

Hey Tom,

Nothing wrong in predicting an optimistic 13-3 as long as the rest of your posts/analysis remain as level headed as yours do. :thumbsup:

Some of the people here have to accept that losing games is a very real prospect, no matter the opposition, and to take the wins as a welcome bonus and not something to be taken for granted.

If you dont look at the bigger picture all you get is crazy mood swings from one week to the next - from SB Champs shoo-ins to AFCN basement dwellers and back again.

NM

Livinginthe past
10-09-2006, 02:34 PM
Nice post and I would tend to agree with alot you said in that post. But even with the Steelers 7-5 they still had that feel that they could turn it around and really make a run. This team doesn't have that this year. They really don't. But they had Jerome Bettis to lean on for leadership to rally them when they had a lossing streak. I think someone needs to step up and be that leader.

I don't care if the Steelers finish 1-15 they still will be my time. But I think this team will like the 2001 Pats after winning the Super Bowl. The next year in 2002 the Pats went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. The Pats refocused and redeticated themselves after feeling that let down of not being able to defend their title in 2002 to win the next two Super Bowls. The same could happen for the Steelers in 2007 and 2008.

LITP, the Pats didn't dominate teams in 2001 either just like the Steelers in 2005.

Thanks.

There certainly are a great many parallels between the 2001 Patriots and the 2005 Steelers that is for sure.

The Steelers had much better recent history with the squad but they would still have made an unfshionable pick for SB glory at most points of lst season - as were the 2001 Pats.

Everything worked out for the 2001 team - some truly once in a lifetime stuff - the Oakland raiders FG's in the snow, the last minute drive by Brady against the Rams to set up the game winning FG.

Despite just missing out on the postseason on a tiebreaker the following year, you cant escape the fact they were only 9-7.

I think its important to maintain perspective at all times, we are both very lucky to be fans to two franchises who do things the right way and are successful also.

NM

Black@Gold Forever32
10-09-2006, 02:38 PM
Thanks.

There certainly are a great many parallels between the 2001 Patriots and the 2005 Steelers that is for sure.

The Steelers had much better recent history with the squad but they would still have made an unfshionable pick for SB glory at most points of lst season - as were the 2001 Pats.

Everything worked out for the 2001 team - some truly once in a lifetime stuff - the Oakland raiders FG's in the snow, the last minute drive by Brady against the Rams to set up the game winning FG.

Despite just missing out on the postseason on a tiebreaker the following year, you cant escape the fact they were only 9-7.

I think its important to maintain perspective at all times, we are both very lucky to be fans to two franchises who do things the right way and are successful also.

NM

I'm just hoping the Steeler can rebound in 2007. I don't think this team will make the playoffs this year. I hate to say it. But they have dropped 3 conference games and 1 division game so far. Thats not good for making the playoffs. Hey but I love the Steelers no matter what. I just don't like how the team look like it just quit yesterday in the 2nd half against the Chargers.

Atlanta Dan
10-09-2006, 02:40 PM
Insightful post as always LITP (although I disagree with Cowher not being a great coach - 10 playoff appearances/6 AFC championship games/2 Super Bowl appearances in the cap era is pretty impressive when the only franchise level QB Cowher had was Ben, to which I attribute Cowher getting less conservative in the playoffs last year). Cowher's record without a franchise level QB certainly compares favorably to that of Belichek when he has not had Brady and that of Shanahan when he did not have Elway.

In the cap era you are not going to have overwhelming across the board superiority in talent as the 70s Steelers/80s 49ers/90s Cowboys did, so a lot of playoff success hinges on your team getting hot at the right time. Even the Pats required last second FGs for 2 of their three Super Bowls.

The Steelers got hot at the right time last year. So far this season they are diminshed at running back (no Bettis for second half power running), QB (Ben's off season problems), receivers (injured Ward and no Randle-El), defensive backfield (injured Troy) and, for whatever reason, OL (age?). Add that to a coaching staff that has a HC who, at best, is uncertain to be in Pittsburgh in 2007, which has to translate to uncertainty with the assistants as to their employment beyond this year, and the Steelers do not have the margin of error to blow by playoff quality opponents.

To win it all you need a lot of luck in today's NFL; I am grateful the Steelers had it last year and can leave the angst of wondering if they will ever win it all to Manning, Dungy, and Colts fans.

Haiku_Dirtt
10-09-2006, 02:56 PM
Concur with all of you.

wadester47
10-09-2006, 03:07 PM
not bad thoughts, I agree with most but I do love my Steelers.

augustashark
10-09-2006, 03:30 PM
A man standing on the sideline (Cowher) with your arms folded and a blank stare is not a General!

Time to lick some wounds and get ready for a newlife KC team.

19ward86
10-09-2006, 06:11 PM
not to sound like ive lost faith in them but going 7-5 to superbowl victory wasnt an easy task. we wouldnt of made it to the playoffs if we would have faced real teams. we faced the lions, browns, and 1 more. yes the bears game was great but lets see if we can do that this year. our offense is off track and our defense is getting tired of being on the field. we need someone or something to happen to have a ticket to miami in feb.

silver & black
10-09-2006, 06:28 PM
A man standing on the sideline (Cowher) with your arms folded and a blank stare is not a General!

Time to lick some wounds and get ready for a newlife KC team.

I know of a man just like that but, instead of having his arms crossed and a blank stare, he just writes on a clipboard.:dang:

Blitzburgh
10-09-2006, 08:18 PM
A man standing on the sideline (Cowher) with your arms folded and a blank stare is not a General! .


This is what bothered me. Cowher looks and sounds like a man who's "checked out" already. No passion, no fire, no ralling the troops. His blank stare at the scoreboard hoping it would automatically change as he watched it reminded me of the old Korky Stewart "deer in headlights" look. :jawdrop:

SteelCzar76
10-09-2006, 09:27 PM
Hey all,

Just thought id jot down a few thoughts regarding the Steelers season so far, it has been absorbing stuff although obviously not very enjoyable for most of you guys.

I think alot of the poster related anguish has been caused by unrealistic expectations running into this season.

I have said this many times, but all teams have their weaknesses be it on offense or on defense - its how you cope and adapt throughout the season that defines how and when that season finishes.

Alot of our 'new' posters seem to think that Steelers regular season success was pretty much a given this year based upon winning the SB last year.

Its the same thing that plagues the Patriots board, despite mostly winning under BB and Kraft it doesnt take too long for fans to turn against them - the odd bad result is enough to ensure all sorts of crazy talk.

Well last years regular season wasn't particularly impressive from a Steeler point of view, and as you all remember it required favors from other teams to get you into the postseason.

What happened in the postseason from that point on was pretty astonishing, the uncharacteristic freedom that Pittsburgh played with was unlike any other Cowher led playoff team.

Alot of factors fell into place to make Pittsburgh champions last year, but I cant really think of a time when they were dominant over a period of 3 or 4 games consecutively.

Pittsburgh was a good team last year, that played great at the right times and they would have been exactly the same this year (a good team, that is) if it wasn't for the injury problems suffered by Ben.

Cowher remains a good coach, but obviously not a great one, who leads a good team.

Every game is a battle, that talk of 13-3 is a little on the crazy side but 10-6 is attainable - and maybe that will be enough to get you into the postseason..and from then on...who knows?

Never throw the towel in before the fat lady sings, you'll only look foolish trying to scramble back on the bandwagon if it all comes back together.

NM



There is no such thing as "unrealistic expectations" in regards to acheievement LITP. It's simply a matter of what your are prepared to do to make such expectations reality. 13-3 is VERY attainable,.... IF the f/O, the coaching staff and our CORE players do whatever it takes to make it so.
As far as us being "exactly" the same as last year if Ben was healthy,....knock it off,....he doesn't have the ground game's protection (Bussy) and NO help in regards to targets outside of Hine's and Heath. This is'nt knocking him,....he's our guy for years to come,....but he was never a great pure passer to begin with. The kid needs alot of help to win. I've always said this,......it's nothing new.
In regards to coach,.......he's stubborn, inflexible and overly conservative for the most part,.....but if you prove that you are TRUELY worth his trust he'll handle it accordingly.
He won't say it to John Q public,.......but he knows who's worthy and who's just lucky with some,... "upside".
He's (Coach) been trying to make "Lemonade out of Lemons" in regards to personel for years and has accuited himself well considering what he's been given in regards to crucial positions, due to the cap and the unwillingness of the F/O to keep and or Draft the correct players.
Bottom line,........this is our house, we can VENT anyway we decide,...Nobody's throwing in any Terrible Towel's until we're carried by six. Your opinion is respected,....but this is FAMILY buisness.





"HAIL CAESAR,.........HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

I.C. Lights
10-10-2006, 12:37 AM
LITP has some good points, but I definitely can think of a time when we played 3 or 4 dominant games in a row, and it was 2 years ago when we went 15-1. That team was essentially the same as last year's team - both were great.

So what's the difference now? Well, we've had some injuries and we've lost some players. Our biggest injuries, however, are mental: Ben has obviously lost some focus and the team has lost an essential leader in Bettis. Our biggest loss is the loss of hunger. It's what defined our team last year avenging a playoff loss that never should have happened the year before. Now, its just not there and it shows.

The good news of all this is that it can be changed. I don't believe the problem lies in our personnel, not to the extent our current record reflects anyway. I agree with those who said we need some adjustments. We also need a spark. The next three games are extremely winnable and extremely important to provide that spark.