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lamberts-lost-tooth
10-26-2006, 08:25 AM
Roethlisberger likely to go full tilt in full practice today

Thursday, October 26, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Ben Roethlisberger took another mental test yesterday afternoon that should determine whether he returns to play quarterback for the Steelers Sunday in Oakland.

If all went well, as expected, Roethlisberger should go through a full practice today. Then, it will be up to coach Bill Cowher to decide if Roethlisberger will start against the Raiders.

"I feel good,'' Roethlisberger said before taking the indoor field with his teammates. "Just trying to get ready to get out there and help the team any way I can."

Roethlisberger suited up in pads and threw passes in the early part of drills, but he did none of the team work with the offense. That was planned, Cowher said, because he had one more test to pass before he could go through a full practice.

After practice, Dr. Joseph Maroon gave the quarterback another Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Test (ImPACT) that he and Dr. Mark Lovell developed with a team of researchers at the University of Pittsburgh. The 20-minute test measures brain process, memory, speed and motor skills.

Cowher listed Roethlisberger as questionable after a concussion knocked him out of the game Sunday in Atlanta in the third quarter. Tests conducted on Roethlisberger's head and neck showed no physical damage.

In almost all cases, patients show improved results on the ImPACT test as time goes on. If that's the case with Roethlisberger, he will practice today.

"This is not my decision, it's the doctor's decision," Cowher said. "Once the doctors have cleared him and he is comfortable with that, then it comes down to working with him and seeing where he's at mentally and understanding he's OK physically."

Raiders coach Art Shell said he expects Roethlisberger to start in Oakland Sunday.

Cowher said Roethlisberger had a "mental" practice yesterday during the team drills and that he passed that one, too.

"He seemed very good out there today, going over the script," Cowher said. "He seems very positive, so we'll go from there.

"Tomorrow's practice will say a lot more than where we are today. I truly think, obviously, by the end of the week, on Friday, as we get through the week of practice we'll have a better sense of where he's at from the standpoint of his availability."

Roethlisberger was upbeat during a session with the media yesterday. He said he wanted to return to the game after his concussion in the third quarter, and he called the hit on him by Falcons defensive end Chauncey Davis clean. Roethlisberger left the field on a cart, but returned for the entire fourth quarter to stand on the sideline with his teammates.

"They didn't want me to go back out there. I tried to go back in the game but they didn't let that happen, obviously. Then, they tried to get me to leave and I said 'No, I've got to get back out there.'

"The main thing was just getting back out there on the sidelines so that the guys could see that I was out there and supporting them."

Davis' hit appeared to be helmet on helmet, which violates NFL rules and usually draws a fine.

"I don't think it was anything," Roethlisberger said. "I was trying to duck under it and I kind of got hit from every different angle."

He did say one of the Falcons uttered something derogatory at that point, though.

"The last thing I remember is throwing the ball to Hines [Ward] and seeing him, and I tried to duck out of it. As I ducked, I remember getting hit in the chin and feeling like I busted my whole jaw or something. One of their players said something to me, and that was the last thing I kind of remember."

Roethlisberger said he had headaches after the hit, but they've subsided, then joked that his head is in good shape after his June 12 motorcycle accident.

"I got my head prepared for concussions about three or four months ago. I guess I'm prepared to bounce back when I get hit hard ... wasn't worried about the front of [the jaw] because I've got all the plates. I've got a tough jaw, I can take a good shot. I was worried about the back, it was a little sore. But I think it's OK."

He declined to say whether he ever lost consciousness on the field after the hit.

HometownGal
10-26-2006, 08:41 AM
While I continue to believe that Ben is taking an enormous risk here if he is cleared by his doctors to play on Sunday, Ben's gonna do what Ben wants to do. Though I think he is certifiably insane in not giving his head a realistic chance to heal properly, you gotta love his drive, determination and loyalty to his team. :thumbsup: :tt02:

stlrtruck
10-26-2006, 08:58 AM
I think he's still got that "I'm invincible" feeling and someone needs to sit him down and let him know that he's no longer invincible. No matter how bad he wants to play, someone has to talk to him about his future as a football or a vegetable (if he continues to put himself at unnecessary risk)!
I love the kid and his drive but he's got to recognize stupidity when it's at his doorstep!

floodcitygirl
10-26-2006, 09:04 AM
I'm preparing myself for alot of breath holding on Sunday.

Cry Me a River
10-26-2006, 09:48 AM
Ben's gonna do what Ben wants to do.
What Ben's gonna do is leave his scrambled eggs all over the Oakland Coliseum grass.

Big D
10-26-2006, 09:50 AM
What Ben's gonna do is leave his scrambled eggs all over the Oakland Coliseum grass.

ok troll. Would you still be in here if the falcons would have lost.

floodcitygirl
10-26-2006, 09:52 AM
What Ben's gonna do is leave his scrambled eggs all over the Oakland Coliseum grass.Ok mods. Here we go. Another classless troll. :troll: This one's a flamer. :yawn:

83-Steelers-43
10-26-2006, 09:54 AM
:yawn:

floodcitygirl
10-26-2006, 09:54 AM
ok troll. Would you still be in here if the falcons would have lost.With all due respect Big D...just an opinion....if you ask a classless troll a question, it feeds him.

memphissteelergirl
10-26-2006, 09:58 AM
I'm preparing myself for alot of breath holding on Sunday.

You and me both, girl!

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2006, 01:39 PM
Ben is going to play unless Cowher sits him - Cowher needs to sit him but Cowher has gone from player's coach to player's pal this year (and after watching it on NFL Replay last night since I did not catch it while at the game on Sunday, that grin session with Vick after Vick ran for a crucial first down did not bring any grins to my face) - I guess Cowher wants a big turnout at the going away party when he heads to North Carolina at the end of this year.

Hopefully Ben will not be attending that get together in a wheelchair.

herewegosteelers
10-26-2006, 01:56 PM
I'm preparing myself for alot of breath holding on Sunday.

OH! you said it. I am not sure I could handle another day like last week, Big Ben either!!
If he must play, which I am almost certain he will(knowin Big Ben) I just pray that he is very careful. I don't have a good feeling about this.

ExtonSteelFan
10-26-2006, 02:01 PM
hopefully the OL steps it up and makes it a priority to protect him on Sunday. I'll admit that I'm a little nervous because the Raiders are going to be gunning for him big time.

herewegosteelers
10-26-2006, 02:06 PM
Ben is going to play unless Cowher sits him - Cowher needs to sit him but Cowher has gone from player's coach to player's pal this year (and after watching it on NFL Replay last night since I did not catch it while at the game on Sunday, that grin session with Vick after Vick ran for a crucial first down did not bring any grins to my face) - I guess Cowher wants a big turnout at the going away party when he heads to North Carolina at the end of this year.

Hopefully Ben will not be attending that get together in a wheelchair.

BITE YOUR TOUNGE!!!!:flap:

lamberts-lost-tooth
10-26-2006, 02:10 PM
What Ben's gonna do is leave his scrambled eggs all over the Oakland Coliseum grass.

Hey troll either A) show us you can talk football B) take your garbage to the blast furnace or C) take your immature ass back to whatever team you have decided to root for this year....sniff sniff....I smell a beengal...anyone got Lysol?

DoctorJanSteelerFan
10-26-2006, 05:52 PM
Atlanta Dan, I hate to say it but I think you're right. (BTW, I didn't appreciate Cowher's big grin to Vick either.)

It will be Cowher's choice to sit him because these NFL doctors are idiots. Did I just say that? :wink02: Here's someone else saying it:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9754944
Concussions, it seems, are the NFL's dirty little secret. It's not just that they happen so often, but that the league doesn't seem to be doing much about it.

Sure, the NFL says it has had a committee of doctors studying them since 1994. But experts in the field say the league's studies are flawed, use suspect data, and don't stand up to peer review. So when the NFL says no evidence has been found that brain function declines as a result of a concussion, the news is greeted with skepticism in the medical community.

"What the NFL allegedly finds is totally at odds with scores of publications that are out there," said Dr. Robert Cantu, a neurologist and leading expert in brain injuries at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. "The stuff the NFL is putting out is just not the way the thinking is in the community of sports medicine and specialists with expertise in this area."
We'll see this Sunday where Cowher stands by his choice (regardless of pressure from Ben)....

Considering the fact that I don't think Ben has the maturity (yes I thought he was mature before the crotch rocket incident, but he's just a regular guy) or insight (possibly a result of his motorcycle head injury which can change his perceptions) to stop himself from playing , maybe I should change my call to the Steeler Nation from:
SAVE BEN. PLAY BATCH. to STOP BEN. PLAY BATCH..

hellbread
10-26-2006, 11:04 PM
i think ben being who he is, ya he wants to play he is a competitor. if the docs clear him then i think he should play. he is a tough guy...reminds me of a steel curtain type of guy, playing hurt, his competitive spirit, and his loyality to the steel city. now if we can just get the rest of the team like this :) steel curtain 2007! :tt02:

stlrtruck
10-27-2006, 08:36 AM
I was watching a report on ESPN yesterday and they were reporting that Cowher is going to wait until Sunday to see how Ben is and whether he will play or not. It seems that Ben did pass the IMPACT test that was given to him Thursday.
However, I believe it was Morten Anderson who said, "The Steelers believe that there is always some sort of drama sorrounding Ben and it is in the best interest of him and the team to get back out on the field." I understand where Mort is coming from and to a degree I do agree with him. It seems that if Ben does get on the field Sunday it will put all of last weekend's and this week's drama behind him and allow him to move forward. On the other hand, at what risk?
I believe that Batch can handle the workload this week and giving Ben another week to rest would benefit not only him but the team coming down the stretch!

Elvis
10-27-2006, 12:20 PM
:tt02:
I agree that Ben should sit this week out and let Batch do his thing... But I also know that if we have 1 or 2 more losses then our season is over... I'm sure Cowher will make the right decision..:helmet:

DoctorJanSteelerFan
10-27-2006, 03:46 PM
...It seems that Ben did pass the IMPACT test that was given to him Thursday.

"The Steelers believe that there is always some sort of drama sorrounding Ben

I believe that Batch can handle the workload this week and giving Ben another week to rest would benefit not only him but the team coming down the stretch!

The media hasn't made it very clear that the ImPACT test is only ONE of a series of tools that doctors use to evaluate a player's concussion. One important tool is the actual event. In loss of consciousness with a concussion, then all of medicine (outside of the NFL) has set standards about return-to-play. (In Ben's case, a minimum of 2 weeks is mandated.) I was asked to describe the medical risks in other posts so I won't repeat it all here. Returning Ben too early and subjecting him to another concussion (multiple concussions are cumulative) puts him at GREAT risk for Second-Impact Syndrome which can result in permanent neurological injury and often death.

I have to say I'm tired of the drama too and that's one reason I appreciate Batch even more. IMO he has great leadership potential and now that Bettis is gone, the Steelers need another good role model and good Pittsburgh blue-collar-type guy (like his genuine work with kids and charities). Charlie has stayed in the shadows both on the field and off when lesser men would have used this as an opportunity to put themselves out to the media and say how great they could be. [Hines is a great guy and a world-class player, but he hasn't stepped up in a leadership role like I thought he would (for example, the penalty last week)]

SAVE BEN. START BATCH.

Atlanta Dan
10-27-2006, 04:00 PM
I was watching a report on ESPN yesterday and they were reporting that Cowher is going to wait until Sunday to see how Ben is and whether he will play or not. It seems that Ben did pass the IMPACT test that was given to him Thursday.
However, I believe it was Morten Anderson who said, "The Steelers believe that there is always some sort of drama sorrounding Ben and it is in the best interest of him and the team to get back out on the field." I understand where Mort is coming from and to a degree I do agree with him. It seems that if Ben does get on the field Sunday it will put all of last weekend's and this week's drama behind him and allow him to move forward. On the other hand, at what risk?
I believe that Batch can handle the workload this week and giving Ben another week to rest would benefit not only him but the team coming down the stretch!

Hopefully it was Chris Mortenson and not Morten Anderson; if the Falcons kicker has interjected himself into the Ben drama he has way too much time on his hands :smile:

Mortenson can't have it both ways. A couple of weeks ago Mort said on Atlanta sports talk that Ben was afraid to get hit and the Steelers were more concerned than they were letting on.

Now, after it turns out Ben has good reason to fear getting hit, the Steeelers reportedly want to rush him back out.

Mortenson is much better football reporter than medical reporter; how Mort can plausibly report how sucking it up and getting back on the field after getting knocked out twice in 4 months is in someone's best interest is ignorant.

Cry Me a River
10-29-2006, 08:20 PM
What Ben's gonna do is leave his scrambled eggs all over the Oakland Coliseum grass.


Or maybe he was still concussed - that might explain the FOUR (hahahahaha) INTs. That, or he just sucks.