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Atlanta Dan
10-29-2006, 09:14 PM
This discussion obviously is open ended, but in terms of what parts of this team are the foundation for the future (since the present sucks), my list includes:

QB - Ben and Batch
RB - everything is up for grabs
OL - Faneca and Smith
WR - Ward and Holmes
TE - Miller

DL- Hampton, Smith and Keisel
LB - Foote, Haggans, and James Harrison (age a concern w/Porter & Farrior)
DB - Troy, Taylor and McFadden

Coaches - Whiz & LeBeau


A lot of this team has been around since 2001; with Cowher going it may be time for a major retool

Brady12
10-29-2006, 09:19 PM
Starting with a Franchise QB is a good place to start, and Pittsburgh has one.

Obviously the younger talent (Ward, Holmes, Polamalu etc.) are going to be good for the future as well.

MACH1
10-29-2006, 09:19 PM
Definitely need to do something about the lack of a running game, be it rb's or ol.

SteelCzar76
10-29-2006, 09:37 PM
This discussion obviously is open ended, but in terms of what parts of this team are the foundation for the future (since the present sucks), my list includes:

QB - Ben and Batch
RB - everything is up for grabs
OL - Faneca and Smith
WR - Ward and Holmes
TE - Miller

DL- Hampton, Smith and Keisel
LB - Foote, Haggans, and James Harrison (age a concern w/Porter & Farrior)
DB - Troy, Taylor and McFadden

Coaches - Whiz & LeBeau


A lot of this team has been around since 2001; with Cowher going it may be time for a major retool


I'm with you for the most part Dan. Execpt i feel,....Willie should be included. (We just need to add some "True" talent in regards to "Power" and physicality to share the backfield with him)
And also in terms of Harrison (He's not very much younger than Joey,... and though he's solid,... he's not on Peezy's level)


"Hail Caesar,........HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

lilyoder6
10-29-2006, 09:54 PM
i say for the RB game would tryin to get A: Adrian Peterson if he comes out this season or B: Micheal Bush and for LB i would get the penn stater Paul P.

BigDuke6
10-29-2006, 11:05 PM
I think there a good solid core here. Obviously the guys the Steelers have extended longer term contracts to are going to be here. The Steelrs will employ an orderly transition. There will be no radical cleaning of the house.
QB - Ben
RB - Willie
OL - Smith, Starks, Faneca, Kemo, Colon
Receivers - Holmes, Reid, Ward, Miller
DL - Hampton, Smith, Keisel
LBs - Foote, Haggans
DBs - Ike, Polamalu, Mcfadden, Smith

Prosdo
10-29-2006, 11:10 PM
My biggest gripe is the running game. We need a young, big, and powerful back.

lotas
10-29-2006, 11:39 PM
What the hell ever happened to Deuce? Could now be the time?...

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 12:08 AM
This discussion obviously is open ended, but in terms of what parts of this team are the foundation for the future (since the present sucks), my list includes:

QB - Ben and Batch
RB - everything is up for grabs
OL - Faneca and Smith
WR - Ward and Holmes
TE - Miller

DL- Hampton, Smith and Keisel
LB - Foote, Haggans, and James Harrison (age a concern w/Porter & Farrior)
DB - Troy, Taylor and McFadden

Coaches - Whiz & LeBeau


A lot of this team has been around since 2001; with Cowher going it may be time for a major retool

Well I think Willie Parker is a keeper. I wish people would lay off. The guy is having a good year. The Oline hasn't been consistent all year and you have to think that defenses do not respect the Steelers passing game so they are focusing on stopping Willie Parker. The Steelers do need a power back for the short yardage role. Dookie isn't that answer there.

About the Oline. The center and the whole right side needs a fix. But the Steelers do have Okobi,Essex and Kemoeatu. So they have some players. Now is the time to find out if these guys are players.

If you question Porter's age then you have to question Haggans as well. Since Haggans is 2 months older then Porter. Check it out if you don't believe me. Haggans was born in Jan. 1977 and Joey was born in March 1977.

I think finding a replacement for LeBeau is important as well. Coach LeBeau is in early 70's now. But Darren Perry would be a fine replacement. Since he has played and coached under LeBeau's system.

X-Terminator
10-30-2006, 12:14 AM
Upgrade the OL, particularly the right side, and the running game improves. Guaranteed. This is a team whose passing game feeds off their ability to run effectively - too many times this season, we have been unable to get into any kind of rhythm running the football, which leads to more passes and more pressure on the QB.

Anyone else notice that we have always seemed to have a problem on the right side of the line, particularly RT? Why is that never addressed adequately?

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 12:17 AM
Upgrade the OL, particularly the right side, and the running game improves. Guaranteed. This is a team whose passing game feeds off their ability to run effectively - too many times this season, we have been unable to get into any kind of rhythm running the football, which leads to more passes and more pressure on the QB.

Anyone else notice that we have always seemed to have a problem on the right side of the line, particularly RT? Why is that never addressed adequately?

Max Starksn just isn't a good RT. Plus for man his size he needs to dominate more then he should. The Steelers might as well give Essex a shot at RT.

SteelCzar76
10-30-2006, 01:56 AM
Max Starksn just isn't a good RT. Plus for man his size he needs to dominate more then he should. The Steelers might as well give Essex a shot at RT.


Max's height seems to work against him in "space" against shorter more explosive cats. With that said,..... i think it's a problem that can be corrected with experience and hard work in regards to technique. Not ruling out Trai (may the fittest prevail),.....but i think Max can get it together.


"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Livinginthe past
10-30-2006, 09:58 AM
This discussion obviously is open ended, but in terms of what parts of this team are the foundation for the future (since the present sucks), my list includes:

QB - Ben and Batch
RB - everything is up for grabs
OL - Faneca and Smith
WR - Ward and Holmes
TE - Miller

DL- Hampton, Smith and Keisel
LB - Foote, Haggans, and James Harrison (age a concern w/Porter & Farrior)
DB - Troy, Taylor and McFadden

Coaches - Whiz & LeBeau


A lot of this team has been around since 2001; with Cowher going it may be time for a major retool

I think you have to include Willie on that list, too.

Sure he didnt have a great game against one of the leagues worst run defenses, but he has been one of the very few consistent parts of this team this year.

The O-Line has been over-rated for quite some time, its getting old all at once - I would imagine the Steelers would be able to utilise some lower round draft picks to improve this area.

WR is a weak link, I know I have kept on about this all year but Ben needs a little more help than he is getting at this time.

Miller is obviously a keeper at TE, but I wonder why the Steelers aren't utilising him properly this year - he appeared ready to make a real step up.

The D looks ok for the most part, nothing major that can't be addressed through the draft - as you say you may lose some 'marquee' names at LBer but if the Steelers are good at one thing its finding LBer talent.

To be honest, its still a mystery to me why this team is struggling so much - especially when you outline the amount of proven talent they have on board.

NM

stlrtruck
10-30-2006, 10:34 AM
You're right, with all the talent, they shouldn't be this bad. But it's been proven that regardless of the talent level of your players if they don't play as a unit, then you won't get the W!!!
I definitely want to keep Parker. It's not his fault he doesn't have holes to run through. And even if we had The Bus, he wouldn't be doing much either. The line has been sub-par all year. There's no excuse for it.

blitzburgh5
10-30-2006, 12:38 PM
It's not the running back, it's the line. Our line this year is hideous, as evidenced by 5 sacks by the sorry Raiders. Furthermore, big bruising backs can be over-rated. The Giants do well with Tiki, the Falcons do well with Dunn, the Eagles do well with Westbrook; you just have to realize that your back should not be used as if he were a big punishing back. By that I mean dump him the ball on screen passes like the Eagles do with Westbrook. Westbrook catches 7-10 passes a game off of screens. The Eagles then utilize his speed, quickness, and shiftyness. I think Parker could be every bit as good as Westbrook, if they just quit using him up the middle on such a regular basis like they did Bettis. Just look at yesterday, they toss him a screen and he runs 25 yards for a TD.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 12:39 PM
I think you have to include Willie on that list, too.

Sure he didnt have a great game against one of the leagues worst run defenses, but he has been one of the very few consistent parts of this team this year.

The O-Line has been over-rated for quite some time, its getting old all at once - I would imagine the Steelers would be able to utilise some lower round draft picks to improve this area.

WR is a weak link, I know I have kept on about this all year but Ben needs a little more help than he is getting at this time.

Miller is obviously a keeper at TE, but I wonder why the Steelers aren't utilising him properly this year - he appeared ready to make a real step up.

The D looks ok for the most part, nothing major that can't be addressed through the draft - as you say you may lose some 'marquee' names at LBer but if the Steelers are good at one thing its finding LBer talent.

To be honest, its still a mystery to me why this team is struggling so much - especially when you outline the amount of proven talent they have on board.

NM

Very good post LITP. I agree with you about Parker. He is a keeper and proven he can get the job done a fulltime starter. Your right about the Oline. Jeff Hartings is done and he now hurt for extended period of time. So the Steelers will get a look at his backup Chucky Okobi. The whole right side of the Steelers Oline is terrible. But Kemoeatu their young RG did start vs the Raiders and has been getting more time over Kendall Simmons. So thats good to see. I think Max Starks who is young is just an average RT. The Steelers starting LT Marvell Smith still has some years left. But the Steelers would be smart to draft or somehow aquire a LT. I also thought Smith was better suited for RT. Where orginally he played. I think Alan Faneca is slowing down some. But I think Hartings short comings could be effecting Faneca's play. I agree the Steelers should address the Oline with a very high draft pick.

I do think the Steelers WR's will be fine. You still have Hines Ward. Plus Washington and Holmes are still young and are coming around the past few weeks. Plus you still have Willie Reid. Another young WR. But if the Steelers land a top five pick and if Georgia Techs Calvin Johnson is there. Then the Steelers have to draft him. He reminds of T.O. without the head aches.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 12:41 PM
Max's height seems to work against him in "space" against shorter more explosive cats. With that said,..... i think it's a problem that can be corrected with experience and hard work in regards to technique. Not ruling out Trai (may the fittest prevail),.....but i think Max can get it together.


"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

You might be right bro. You make solid points. I just think Starks is a average RT at best. For a man his size he should dominate more. But that was his knock at Florida also. Now Joe Thomas from Wisconsin would be the perfect tackle prospect for the Steelers. But the Steelers might need a top five pick to draft him.

Need4spd
10-30-2006, 12:48 PM
An effective running attack is every bit as much about the offensive line and the system as it is the HB who's actually carrying the ball. The Denver Broncos are a perfect example of this. Willie is a more than capable running back, he has already proven that. The player on that list that I'm not sold on is Holmes. I just can't seem to get the images of him muffing punts and fumbling the ball out of my head. Plus, some of the things that I've heard about him as person away from football concern me as well. I know this isn't a popular theory these days, but character does count for something. I have a great deal of faith in the Steelers when it comes to drafting quality talent, but I think the jury is still out on this guy.

Atlanta Dan
10-30-2006, 01:25 PM
Holmes has made two sweet catches for big gains down the left sideline the last 2 weeks and was subject to borderline interference on the 4th down throw into the end zone.

He had offseason issues but I think he was a good draft pick.

Need4spd
10-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Holmes has made two sweet catches for big gains down the left sideline the last 2 weeks and was subject to borderline interference on the 4th down throw into the end zone.

He had offseason issues but I think he was a good draft pick.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06179/701601-66.stm

Read that article and I think you'll agree with me that what he has had are more than just "issues."

Prosdo
10-30-2006, 01:54 PM
I think you have to include Willie on that list, too.

Sure he didnt have a great game against one of the leagues worst run defenses, but he has been one of the very few consistent parts of this team this year.

The O-Line has been over-rated for quite some time, its getting old all at once - I would imagine the Steelers would be able to utilise some lower round draft picks to improve this area.

WR is a weak link, I know I have kept on about this all year but Ben needs a little more help than he is getting at this time.

Miller is obviously a keeper at TE, but I wonder why the Steelers aren't utilising him properly this year - he appeared ready to make a real step up.

The D looks ok for the most part, nothing major that can't be addressed through the draft - as you say you may lose some 'marquee' names at LBer but if the Steelers are good at one thing its finding LBer talent.

To be honest, its still a mystery to me why this team is struggling so much - especially when you outline the amount of proven talent they have on board.

NM


Great post LITP. I don't understand why they aren't using Miller more in the passing game as he is one of our biggest targets for Ben. For WR I would have wanted a big tall WR opposed to Holmes. As for the O-line I can see next year us picking up a few O-linemen in the draft.

Atlanta Dan
10-30-2006, 01:55 PM
If you read my posts this past summer I believe you would know I did not minimze Holmes off season conduct.

Holmes appears to have cleaned up his act - if not, Odell Thurman and Chris Henry can tell him what the consequences will be.

NM