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Rush58
10-30-2006, 09:27 AM
Even in last season playoffs, I believed Ben was undevelop at his position. We had such a great running game with an offensive line that dominated the line of scrimmage. Teams respected the run even when we couldn't run the ball at all against Indy and Denver. This season has been a totally different story. No longer can Ben get 8 man fronts near the line of scrimmage and get easier reads in the secondary. The 15-21 pass attempts is not an option. The offense now squarely falls on Ben and he's making rookie mistakes. He has not thrown the ball enough. If you re-watch the games, Ben seems confused at times with different defensive coverages and schemes. As result, Ben passes our being thrown into double coverage and into disguised zones. I see Ben learning the qb position all over again as if it was his rookie season. He will be alot better in the long run and no longer will Ben be a 15-21 attempt passer--but a complete passer.

stlrtruck
10-30-2006, 09:48 AM
I think he'll be fine. But you're right, he's struggling to read defenses. Then again he's O-line is struggling to give him consistent protection.
Maybe this is his sophomore slump a year late.
This team will rebound, make this season at least respectful.

Rush58
10-30-2006, 01:24 PM
I think he'll be fine. But you're right, he's struggling to read defenses. Then again he's O-line is struggling to give him consistent protection.
Maybe this is his sophomore slump a year late.
This team will rebound, make this season at least respectful.

The offensive line is the reason we can't run the ball, but another 37 attempts by Ben will be good in the long run. Eli got his practice in the 1st season and Rivers is not being limited to 15 to 21 attempts. We have been hiding Ben and he has been somewhat exposed.

stlrtruck
10-30-2006, 02:04 PM
I agree to a point. I don't think Ben deserves to have the pressure of winning games on his shoulders. The OL needs to make room for Parker and co. to run. If they can't do that, then teams are going to beg Ben to beat them and he's not ready for that type of offensive responsibility. I think he should get more throws, definitely.

Infamix
10-30-2006, 02:27 PM
Speaking of Parker, if the o-line steps up, he honestly could be a top 10 back

BBC
10-30-2006, 03:15 PM
He's faceplanted into a windshield, had an appendectomy, and has another concussion, all within about 4 months of each other.

How exactly do we put that aside, as if they have had no effect on Ben's play?

Rush58
10-30-2006, 03:23 PM
How exactly do we put that aside, as if they have had no effect on Ben's play?

I believe it has some effect, but the big picture? Ben was/is not ready to carry the Steelers consistently without a running game.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 03:30 PM
Well I would say that Willie is pace to have 1100 yards and 10+TD's. Not to bad when you consider how inconsistent the Oline has been this year. Plus when you factor in that defenses might not be respecting the Steelers passing game. I would say leave Willie Parker alone. If anything we still need to find a RB to spell him from time to time. Dookie Davenport is alright but the Steelers still need to find a a true power RB.

Well back to the topic at hand. You said Ben is undeveloped as a QB. Well no shit. He is only in his third. Most QB's are not fully developed in their 3rd year as a QB. True Tom Brady developed quickly. But he had Charlie Weis one of the greatest offensive minded coaches in NFL history. True Brady deserves alot of the credit for his play. But it helps to have a coach like Weis. Lets face it Whisenhunt isn't no Charlie Weis. Plus when you factor that Ben is a beat up young man. I don't expect Ben to play well every week.

BBC
10-30-2006, 03:30 PM
I believe it has some effect, but the big picture? Ben was/is not ready to carry the Steelers consistently without a running game.

Let's wait until Ben is healthy again before we start looking at the 'big picture'.

What we've seen so far has been a rather small picture, and it's hard to look at the big picture when it hasn't been provided this season.

Rush58
10-30-2006, 03:50 PM
Well back to the topic at hand. You said Ben is undeveloped as a QB. Well no shit. He is only in his third. Most QB's are not fully developed in their 3rd year as a QB. True Tom Brady developed quickly. But he had Charlie Weis one of the greatest offensive minded coaches in NFL history. True Brady deserves alot of the credit for his play. But it helps to have a coach like Weis. Lets face it Whisenhunt isn't no Charlie Weis. Plus when you factor that Ben is a beat up young man. I don't expect Ben to play well every week.


I totally agree with what you said and that's why it's so important to have a running game. Many blame the injuries for all Ben's poor play. But no one has considered what his role was the 1st 2 seasons? Ben did not carry the Steelers offense, but now he has to.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-30-2006, 03:57 PM
I totally agree with what you said and that's why it's so important to have a running game. Many blame the injuries for all Ben's poor play. But no one has considered what his role was the 1st 2 seasons? Ben did not carry the Steelers offense, but now he has to.

In the first half of games Ben did have a very big part in the Steelers offense. The Steelers built leads and let the running game take over in the 2nd of games. Does this mean Ben was a finished product as a QB. Hell no it doesn't. But Ben did play well last year in paticular when the running game wasn't always there. Look at the playoffs last year. The running game stunk for the most part and Ben played well enough for the Steelers to win.

This season was just doomed from the start and we all should of known this when Ben had his accident. You keep saying injuries havn't effected his plays. Well hell yes they have. He is a beat up young man right now. His body has been through alot and now he has had a second concussion. I would like see alot of QB's go out there and play with all the shit that has happened to Ben the past few months.

If Ben stays healthy in 2007. Then we will say how good of a player he really is.

Rush58
10-30-2006, 04:18 PM
In the first half of games Ben did have a very big part in the Steelers offense. The Steelers built leads and let the running game take over in the 2nd of games. Does this mean Ben was a finished product as a QB. Hell no it doesn't. But Ben did play well last year in paticular when the running game wasn't always there. Look at the playoffs last year. The running game stunk for the most part and Ben played well enough for the Steelers to win.


Very true, but we also had great rushing numbers in those 1st halfs. The running game dictated the coverages for Ben.