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stlrtruck
10-30-2006, 02:47 PM
In a letter dated Oct 30, 2006 and mailed out this afternoon....

Roger Goodell
National Football League
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017

Dear Mr. Goodell:

I would like to first congratulate you on becoming the NFL Commissioner. I hope that you are able to lead the NFL into the future with greater success than Mr. Tagliabue (and he did have great success).

Now I would like to open up to you and whoever else takes the time to read letters from the fans, several areas of concern that I as a fan of the NFL have about the league.

First is tradition. There were several things that were consistent with the NFL that was looked forward to by anyone who was a fan. One of those events was Monday night football on ABC. I understand that changes take place and it most cases it?s good. However, I would argue that allowing MNF to go to ESPN is not a good change. Is the change in revenue that great that now fans that aren?t able to get ESPN or the NFL Network are no longer able to watch those games? Another one is Thanksgiving. Thursday night games on the NFL Network, sounds great (only because I have the NFL Network) but having the additional game on Thanksgiving night just isn?t right. The tradition of having the Cowboys and the Lions play on Thanksgiving is awesome; let?s not spoil that by adding hype to the league?s own station showing games on Thanksgiving night!

Second is consistency. I?ve noticed over the last several years that the referees have become more and more unreliable and inconsistent across the board. What one referee calls, another allows. I could rattle off several examples for you, but that would only waste your time and mine. However, I hope that you are aware of these inconsistencies and will take measures to correct them. Allowing officials to dictate that certain teams and/or players are allowed to get away with penalties while other teams and/or players are being flagged for what I would term, ?ticky tack? fouls sends a message that the outcome of games could be fixed and that the NFL has their favorites and if they don?t win, then it ruins the league.

Third is having fun. I remember growing up, I was always told to go out and have fun when we played games. Now it seems that the NFL no longer wants this game to be about fun. While I honestly believe that players that score TDs should act like they?ve been there before, I feel that taking away their right to express themselves in the form of a dance or show of emotion, just takes away from some of the individuality that has been enlarged due to the parity in the league. Allow the players to have fun again. Let them celebrate with other team mates or by themselves. Because from what I?ve seen (as stated up in item #2) is that officials allow certain teams and/or players to get away with it while others are not).

Finally, I want to express to you my dissatisfaction with the way that Super Bowl tickets are no longer available to the general public. Has the league sold out that much that it no longer recognizes the individuals responsible for its growth ? the fans? I know the league holds out 500 pairs of tickets to the general public for raffle by the league but that?s only 1000 tickets in stadiums that hold close to 75,000, if not more, fans. That?s just over 1%. Give the game back to the fans because the players and coaches are giving it back to the fans by selling their tickets for more than their face value or they have to be purchased at a ticket broker for even higher prices. And isn?t that just legalized scalping?

I hope you are willing to step in and make this game enjoyable for the fans again. It is a large task and one I hope you are up to handle!

Sincerely,

Infamix
10-30-2006, 03:23 PM
Great points, I hope SOMEBODY reads it

Livinginthe past
10-31-2006, 05:10 AM
First is tradition. There were several things that were consistent with the NFL that was looked forward to by anyone who was a fan. One of those events was Monday night football on ABC. I understand that changes take place and it most cases it’s good. However, I would argue that allowing MNF to go to ESPN is not a good change. Is the change in revenue that great that now fans that aren’t able to get ESPN or the NFL Network are no longer able to watch those games? Another one is Thanksgiving. Thursday night games on the NFL Network, sounds great (only because I have the NFL Network) but having the additional game on Thanksgiving night just isn’t right. The tradition of having the Cowboys and the Lions play on Thanksgiving is awesome; let’s not spoil that by adding hype to the league’s own station showing games on Thanksgiving night!

I guess these things come down to opinion, its always struck me as odd that the Cowboys and Lions get an added advantage/disadvantage over the teams that play at regular times on the sunday.

Second is consistency. I’ve noticed over the last several years that the referees have become more and more unreliable and inconsistent across the board. What one referee calls, another allows. I could rattle off several examples for you, but that would only waste your time and mine. However, I hope that you are aware of these inconsistencies and will take measures to correct them. Allowing officials to dictate that certain teams and/or players are allowed to get away with penalties while other teams and/or players are being flagged for what I would term, “ticky tack” fouls sends a message that the outcome of games could be fixed and that the NFL has their favorites and if they don’t win, then it ruins the league.

You are quite correct that the calling of the refs has been extremely inconsistent but has it become moreso?

Well I guess thats another opinion call but one factor could be the increased use of replays available to the viewing public.

However, its seems that even with the help of the replay the officials still manage to make clear cut decisions incorrectly.

Third is having fun. I remember growing up, I was always told to go out and have fun when we played games. Now it seems that the NFL no longer wants this game to be about fun. While I honestly believe that players that score TDs should act like they’ve been there before, I feel that taking away their right to express themselves in the form of a dance or show of emotion, just takes away from some of the individuality that has been enlarged due to the parity in the league. Allow the players to have fun again. Let them celebrate with other team mates or by themselves. Because from what I’ve seen (as stated up in item #2) is that officials allow certain teams and/or players to get away with it while others are not).

I dont mind spiking the ball, and an players congratulating each other - but the 'dancing' phenomonon is unnecessary and goes against everything you talked about in your opening paragraph regarding tradition.

I have repeatedly watched players celebrate with a choreographed moves, right in the middle of their team being totally beaten down on the scoreboard - its just embarrasing to watch these self obsessed individual convince themselves that they are the main attraction.

Grown men dancing like that without the aid of alcohol is inexcusable.

Finally, I want to express to you my dissatisfaction with the way that Super Bowl tickets are no longer available to the general public. Has the league sold out that much that it no longer recognizes the individuals responsible for its growth – the fans? I know the league holds out 500 pairs of tickets to the general public for raffle by the league but that’s only 1000 tickets in stadiums that hold close to 75,000, if not more, fans. That’s just over 1%. Give the game back to the fans because the players and coaches are giving it back to the fans by selling their tickets for more than their face value or they have to be purchased at a ticket broker for even higher prices. And isn’t that just legalized scalping?

I hope you are willing to step in and make this game enjoyable for the fans again. It is a large task and one I hope you are up to handle!

Sincerely,

That sounds like a very valid point.

Id say there were some good points and some not so good, its just a shame it takes a loss to Oakland and a potential losing season before the subject arises.

NM

stlrtruck
10-31-2006, 08:16 AM
The letter has been an idea since the beginning of this season when the tradition of the Monday night games was lost and the inconsistencies began to pile up. It was actually written a week ago but never mailed.

Chronicgaming
10-31-2006, 09:26 AM
I think that your points about inconsistency are definitely good. I wonder if we have been noticing the inconsistent calls more because of the celebration penalties and some of the calls made in the Colts and Seahawks games during the playoff run. It seems that this has been a big issue for some teams for a long time (Buffalo for example).

stlrtruck
10-31-2006, 10:13 AM
I think that your points about inconsistency are definitely good. I wonder if we have been noticing the inconsistent calls more because of the celebration penalties and some of the calls made in the Colts and Seahawks games during the playoff run. It seems that this has been a big issue for some teams for a long time (Buffalo for example).

I think it has to do with a lack of accountability towards the refs. The fact that they try to sweep under the rug any time refs make a pathetic, obviously wrong call.

tony hipchest
10-31-2006, 02:29 PM
I think it has to do with a lack of accountability towards the refs. The fact that they try to sweep under the rug any time refs make a pathetic, obviously wrong call.like being able to figure out what is a catch.

a catch is a catch is a catch. its one of the most fundamental plays in football yet half the officiationg crews still do not know what one is. j. wiggins had a perfectly legitimate catch ripped away last night by refs who seemed like they started watching football last week.

Stillers#1
10-31-2006, 02:44 PM
Good points, I am right there along with you on all of them. Although, I do believe Chad Johnson should be shot in the face with a bazooka when he tried to celebrate. It's only fair.

MACH1
10-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Good points, I am right there along with you on all of them. Although, I do believe Chad Johnson should be shot in the face with a bazooka when he tried to celebrate. It's only fair.

At least fine him a few grand---Its only fair:thumbsup:

SteelCityMan786
10-31-2006, 04:13 PM
Good Letter. Hopefully the NFL takes some of this into consideration.

augustashark
11-01-2006, 12:25 AM
Id say there were some good points and some not so good, its just a shame it takes a loss to Oakland and a potential losing season before the subject arises.

NM

I really have no Idea why you would write this. You bringing up some points you disagree with is fine, but to try and pick a fight with this last sentence makes no sense. How can you just assume that he sat down and wrote this after Sundays loss. I just shake my head sometimes.

MattsMe
11-01-2006, 01:29 AM
I really have no Idea why you would write this. You bringing up some points you disagree with is fine, but to try and pick a fight with this last sentence makes no sense. How can you just assume that he sat down and wrote this after Sundays loss. I just shake my head sometimes.

I was thinking the same thing. Complimenting people, showing empathy, and then throwing in a little barb at the end just for kicks gets some people off and makes them feel superior. The reality is it's just pathetic, transparent, and immature.

Livinginthe past
11-01-2006, 02:13 AM
I really have no Idea why you would write this. You bringing up some points you disagree with is fine, but to try and pick a fight with this last sentence makes no sense. How can you just assume that he sat down and wrote this after Sundays loss. I just shake my head sometimes.

Its pretty simple really, I wrote it because they were the thoughts that passed through my head when I read the original post.

The guy put it out on a forum for public discourse and that was my honest take on what I read.

Sure, it could be a co-incidence that a Steeler fan wants a total review of refereeing standards when they are sitting at 2-5 - especially considering the veil that was drawn over the decidedly one-sided effort from last years SB when everyone that questioned the calls was either anti-Steelers or a 'crybaby'.

Its all in the timing, a little like Rooneys whining about calls vs Atlanta that most Steeler fans think were perfectly acceptable - if he made his general observations about refereeing standards after a Pittsburgh win they would be a little more credible.

NM

Livinginthe past
11-01-2006, 02:20 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Complimenting people, showing empathy, and then throwing in a little barb at the end just for kicks gets some people off and makes them feel superior. The reality is it's just pathetic, transparent, and immature.

I have a better definition of pathetic, transparent and immature.

Its consistently following one poster around and critiquing their posts - its a pretty tiresome pastime of yours - I drew attention to it on another thread and it got me a couple of 'infraction points' but it was probably worth it.

Everytime you post something in my direction I can feel the emnity dripping from your every word.

You should probably try to find another hobby - maybe a re-evaluation of why you are actually here would do you some good? (though I enjoyed the football analysis that went into your evaluation of Staley's tracksuit)

I can't help but feel what you are doing is a little sad.

NM

stlrtruck
11-01-2006, 08:33 AM
Its pretty simple really, I wrote it because they were the thoughts that passed through my head when I read the original post.

The guy put it out on a forum for public discourse and that was my honest take on what I read.

Sure, it could be a co-incidence that a Steeler fan wants a total review of refereeing standards when they are sitting at 2-5 - especially considering the veil that was drawn over the decidedly one-sided effort from last years SB when everyone that questioned the calls was either anti-Steelers or a 'crybaby'.

Its all in the timing, a little like Rooneys whining about calls vs Atlanta that most Steeler fans think were perfectly acceptable - if he made his general observations about refereeing standards after a Pittsburgh win they would be a little more credible.

NM


I think it would be one think had I exampled out the Steelers games. However, I did my best to remain neutral on the matter as a fan. It's not just Steelers games, it's almost every game that refs are blowing!

I could have really demonstrated ignorance by pointing out just Steelers games. However, I didn't want the letter to be 100 pages. I wanted to make a quick reference to the state of credibility of the officials. I'll give you two quick examples. One last year in one St. Louis game (I think vs. the Saints) the TE was tackled and laid stretched out on the carpet, obviously down by contact. The DB came by picked the ball out of his hands and scored a TD. A play the officials allowed to happen...and to this day I can't figure out why? Another one this year, Cincinatti vs. the Bucs. QB Gradkowski gets sacked and fumbles the ball which the bungles recover. However, the official calls roughing the passer...what? How? When? What game? I could probably sit here and list game after game after game of WRs pushing off and DBs that are either holding or definitely intefering with the catch of a ball. But that again would be too much to read.

Personally, I didn't care for Rooney's comments about the refs in the Atlanta game. He should have maintained his displeasure about the call until he could talk with the commish or the person over the officiating crews. However, if you watch any game objectively, I think you'll agree that the officials over all have gotten worse in the past 3 years. If not, then so be it.

I like the fact that I live in a country where I can mail that letter and voice my displeasure, not as a Steelers fan, but as a fan of the NFL! Some times it's necessary to let off a little steam.

Livinginthe past
11-01-2006, 09:14 AM
I think it would be one think had I exampled out the Steelers games. However, I did my best to remain neutral on the matter as a fan. It's not just Steelers games, it's almost every game that refs are blowing!

I could have really demonstrated ignorance by pointing out just Steelers games. However, I didn't want the letter to be 100 pages. I wanted to make a quick reference to the state of credibility of the officials. I'll give you two quick examples. One last year in one St. Louis game (I think vs. the Saints) the TE was tackled and laid stretched out on the carpet, obviously down by contact. The DB came by picked the ball out of his hands and scored a TD. A play the officials allowed to happen...and to this day I can't figure out why? Another one this year, Cincinatti vs. the Bucs. QB Gradkowski gets sacked and fumbles the ball which the bungles recover. However, the official calls roughing the passer...what? How? When? What game? I could probably sit here and list game after game after game of WRs pushing off and DBs that are either holding or definitely intefering with the catch of a ball. But that again would be too much to read.

Personally, I didn't care for Rooney's comments about the refs in the Atlanta game. He should have maintained his displeasure about the call until he could talk with the commish or the person over the officiating crews. However, if you watch any game objectively, I think you'll agree that the officials over all have gotten worse in the past 3 years. If not, then so be it.

I like the fact that I live in a country where I can mail that letter and voice my displeasure, not as a Steelers fan, but as a fan of the NFL! Some times it's necessary to let off a little steam.

You know, I agreed with the basic premise behind the letter - there certainly are some crazy calls in the NFL in recent times.

They need to get rid of definitions like 'football move' that dont actually define anything because every ref interprets that term differently.

How can it be that we have commentators in the booth that can't agree on a definition?

As I say, the thought behind the letter was a good one - all I did was question the timing and you guarantee there wouldnt have been half the personal abuse and vitriol from other 'fine' posters on this thread if I were a Steelers fan pointing that out.

NM

stlrtruck
11-01-2006, 10:02 AM
You know, I agreed with the basic premise behind the letter - there certainly are some crazy calls in the NFL in recent times.

They need to get rid of definitions like 'football move' that dont actually define anything because every ref interprets that term differently.

How can it be that we have commentators in the booth that can't agree on a definition?

As I say, the thought behind the letter was a good one - all I did was question the timing and you guarantee there wouldnt have been half the personal abuse and vitriol from other 'fine' posters on this thread if I were a Steelers fan pointing that out.

NM

I think it's a legit question, when you look at who was writing it. But again, that's why I left all association of being a Steelers fan out of the letter.

As for other posters, I can only answer for me.

augustashark
11-01-2006, 02:28 PM
You know, I agreed with the basic premise behind the letter - there certainly are some crazy calls in the NFL in recent times.

They need to get rid of definitions like 'football move' that dont actually define anything because every ref interprets that term differently.

How can it be that we have commentators in the booth that can't agree on a definition?

As I say, the thought behind the letter was a good one - all I did was question the timing and you guarantee there wouldnt have been half the personal abuse and vitriol from other 'fine' posters on this thread if I were a Steelers fan pointing that out.

NM

I can say with out a doubt that if you were a steelers fan I still would have asked you the same questions. You being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. I agree with Strltruck that the Rooney comments about the ref's were out of line and should have been expressed behind closed doors.

You go back and watch that last catch in the Cleveland vs. Jets game......I can not believe that they thought that he (Baker) would not have come down in bounds!!!! WTF is that.

Another one is the Wiggens catch on Monday night....Now Litp you have to admit that was a catch and fumble.

Good day.

klick81
11-01-2006, 03:00 PM
All this bickering aside...i guess it's a good thing that you wrote the letter, because if the fans don't say anything, no one will. However, the reality is that in the end, the NFL is nothing more than a money-making corporation. They could care less what we say because in the end, we're still going to pay the inflated prices for admission (if we don't, the millionaires who know nothing about football will), we'll still pay for NFL Network, we'll still buy the gear, and we'll still follow our teams. Until their revenue is threatened, they will NOT change a damned thing.

stlrtruck
11-01-2006, 03:26 PM
All this bickering aside...i guess it's a good thing that you wrote the letter, because if the fans don't say anything, no one will. However, the reality is that in the end, the NFL is nothing more than a money-making corporation. They could care less what we say because in the end, we're still going to pay the inflated prices for admission (if we don't, the millionaires who know nothing about football will), we'll still pay for NFL Network, we'll still buy the gear, and we'll still follow our teams. Until their revenue is threatened, they will NOT change a damned thing.

You are right. But it felt good to send the letter and next month when I'm in Da 'Burgh it will feel even better buying my daughter some new garb!

Livinginthe past
11-02-2006, 02:01 AM
I can say with out a doubt that if you were a steelers fan I still would have asked you the same questions. You being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. I agree with Strltruck that the Rooney comments about the ref's were out of line and should have been expressed behind closed doors.

You go back and watch that last catch in the Cleveland vs. Jets game......I can not believe that they thought that he (Baker) would not have come down in bounds!!!! WTF is that.

Another one is the Wiggens catch on Monday night....Now Litp you have to admit that was a catch and fumble.

Good day.

Hey I already agreed on the basic premise behind the post - about 3 times now.

Sure Wiggins catch was a catch and a fumble - thats what made me think of that 'football move' nonsense we keep hearing about.

Also, totally agree with the Cleveland v Jets call - the guy was moving parallel to the edge of the field about a foot inside it - if you follow the trajectory its obvious he comes down in bounds - i'd love an opportunity to sit down with those refs and ask em exactly what part of simple gravity and physics they dont understand.

Good day to you too!

NM

stlrtruck
07-16-2007, 06:19 PM
I have written two letters to the commissioner the listed in this thread and then another one back in january. Since I'm not sure which one he's referencing in his return letter, I'll assume it is my first one. So here is the reply I received:

Thank you for taking the time to write and express your views.

We recognize your concerns and will do everything possible to ensure that the NFL continues to be the most competitive, popular, and respected sports league.

We always appreciate hearing from fans. Your comments are very helpful and will be shared with others in the NFL. It is through comments like yours that we are continually able to improve.

Most importantly, we appreciate your tremendous interest in and support of the NFL.

Sincerely,

Kenneth Pordon
NFL Public Relations

Here's a link to the seond letter I wrote in January:
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=14597

Preacher
07-16-2007, 07:00 PM
I have written two letters to the commissioner the listed in this thread and then another one back in january. Since I'm not sure which one he's referencing in his return letter, I'll assume it is my first one. So here is the reply I received:

Thank you for taking the time to write and express your views.

We recognize your concerns and will do everything possible to ensure that the NFL continues to be the most competitive, popular, and respected sports league.

We always appreciate hearing from fans. Your comments are very helpful and will be shared with others in the NFL. It is through comments like yours that we are continually able to improve.

Most importantly, we appreciate your tremendous interest in and support of the NFL.

Sincerely,

Kenneth Pordon
NFL Public Relations

Here's a link to the seond letter I wrote in January:
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=14597

that sounds like a "thanks to you little people for talking to us... keep giving us your money," type letter....

At least you spent the time to write a letter to em!

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-16-2007, 08:21 PM
A lot of good points but I like that Monday Night games are on ESPN. I really enjoy the idea of two MNF games. But I really dont like the fact that ther has to be a 20 minute interview during the game.