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Atlanta Dan
10-30-2006, 09:49 PM
SI Players Poll
[Based on a survey of 361 NFL players]
Who is the most overrated player in the NFL?

AP
Terrell Owens, Cowboys.....10%
Brian Urlacher, Bears.....8%
Ray Lewis, Ravens.....7%
Michael Vick, Falcons.....7%
Eli Manning, Giants.....4%
Keyshawn Johnson, Panthers.....4%
Peyton Manning, Colts.....4%
Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers.....3%
Charles Woodson, Packers.....3%
Warren Sapp, Raiders.....3%

FAST FACTS: Giants QB Eli Manning and Panthers WR Keyshawn Johnson tied for fifth
(4.1%).... TO won the poll for best wide receiver in the NFL (SI PLAYERS, Oct. 16).... Urlacher is third in the NFC with 54 tackles; Lewis is 11th in the AFC with 50.... Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger got only 3.4% of the overall vote but 10% within his own AFC North.... In an accompanying SI PLAYERS poll that asked players to name the most underrated player in the NFL, voters picked Falcons RB Warrick Dunn (2.7%) and also cited Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander, Chiefs QB Trent Green, Colts WR Marvin Harrison and Steelers WR Hines Ward (2.4% each).

Glad to see some players share my views on Ray Lewis (I still am not sold on Vick but he certainly made my low opinion of him look bad the last 2 weeks).

Not surprised Ben got some votes and that Hines got some votes in the most underrated poll.

BirdKC
10-30-2006, 09:53 PM
I hate Vick. I hate it that he is being successful lately, because it makes me wrong.

BBC
10-30-2006, 10:43 PM
Peyton Manning was given 4% of the votes. Let that sink in as to how credible some of these results are.

Atlanta Dan
10-30-2006, 10:56 PM
Peyton Manning was given 4% of the votes. Let that sink in as to how credible some of these results are.

So are you saying Peyton should have received more votes? :smile:

Maybe those voters place more weight on how you play in January than how you play in October and saw Peyton's playoff games against the Steelers and New England.

Hines86Ward
10-30-2006, 11:01 PM
Why would they vote Owens as most overrated? That's crazy talk right there. He's done things that few WR's in the history of the NFL have done. Yeah, he gets alot of hype because of off the field drama, but that doesn't make him overrated. When he's on the field, he's a force to be wreckoned with. He holds the record for most receptions in a game, he's gotten over 100 career recieving TD's & over 11,000 recieving yards. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but IMO he's a future HOF....

BirdKC
10-30-2006, 11:04 PM
Why would they vote Owens as most overrated? That's crazy talk right there. He's done things that few WR's in the history of the NFL have done. Yeah, he gets alot of hype because of off the field drama, but that doesn't make him overrated. When he's on the field, he's a force to be wreckoned with. He holds the record for most receptions in a game, he's gotten over 100 career recieving TD's & over 11,000 recieving yards. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but IMO he's a future HOF....

Agreed.

BBC
10-31-2006, 07:06 AM
So are you saying Peyton should have received more votes? :smile:

Maybe those voters place more weight on how you play in January than how you play in October and saw Peyton's playoff games against the Steelers and New England.

He is still one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and at the very least, one of the top two quarterbacks right now. Him even being mentioned on this list is insane if you ask me.

Peyton isn't the only one that deserves blame for his record in the playoffs. His team contributes a whole lot to those losses.

Atlanta Dan
10-31-2006, 07:26 AM
He is still one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and at the very least, one of the top two quarterbacks right now. Him even being mentioned on this list is insane if you ask me.

Peyton isn't the only one that deserves blame for his record in the playoffs. His team contributes a whole lot to those losses.

I agree that Peyton may be the best regular season QB ever (as Bill Simmons The Sports Guy has said, if you need someone to throw 5 TDs against the Lions on Thanksgiving Day Peyton is the man) but based on the number of advertisements he is in for everything but Viagra one might think he has won the last 8 Super Bowls.

Maybe some players think the endorsement champ should be someone who has won a championship or at least played for one.

stillers4me
10-31-2006, 07:27 AM
Well, you can't have it both ways.........

People keep saying that Ben is not a great quarterback, that he just had a great team around him. Now they say that Peyton is a great quarterback and it's his team that his losing the games. T-E-A-M = championship. Not just a quarterback.

HometownGal
10-31-2006, 07:31 AM
I agree with some of these, but have to also question this poll showing T.O. as being overrated. He's a drama queen both on and off the field, but he is one of the best receivers in the league, hands down. Obviously, I question Ben being on that poll, but I suppose the Bungles and Hawks fans had a hand in that.

Brian Urlacher???? Are they serious? This guy is a beast and is, imho, one of the top LBs in the NFL.

I also do not believe Peytoon should be on that list. I think he has more than proven that he is a top 3 QB and has been for several years. It obviously has been proven that the Colts could afford to lose Edge, but if Peytoon decided to leave the Colts for more money down the road (which I don't believe would ever happen), that team would be in big trouble.

19ward86
10-31-2006, 08:39 AM
peyton manning is anything but overrated, he has the numbers to show that he is the best.

steel#1
10-31-2006, 09:07 AM
Let's face it, the commonality of that thread is player jealousy. This was a player poll. You got to figure these players have burnt a lot of the players being questioned.

Livinginthe past
10-31-2006, 12:06 PM
He is still one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and at the very least, one of the top two quarterbacks right now. Him even being mentioned on this list is insane if you ask me.

Peyton isn't the only one that deserves blame for his record in the playoffs. His team contributes a whole lot to those losses.

I dont think you can give Manning so much credit for the wins and his passing stats, and then lump so much of the blame on the rest of his team come playoff time.

Alot of people are of the opinion that the Colts D folds in the postseason which just isn't true - they have been competitive nearly every game - they dont concede more than 24 points too often.

While I have alot of respect for his passing ability, I question some of his QB skills - the ability to handle the heat, to think rationally under the most severe pressure.

Despite rarely being blown out in the post season, where he might be expected to be forced into pass-only mode, his worse game always come when it matters most.

I also think the 'over-rated' tag is not given to him not purely because of this annual postseason failure to perform, but because every year we get the pundits repeatedly ball-washing him - I dont think a QB existed who was as good as the Peyton Manning hype.

NM

sumo
10-31-2006, 12:23 PM
When was this poll taken? - I think Reggie Bush is the most over-hyped/overrated player I've seen come around in a long time - take away his punt return and what has he done? -- ESPN will agonize every week to find some kind of highlight even if it's a five yard swing pass - he's the new Eric Metcalf - except Metcalf was better

tony hipchest
10-31-2006, 03:12 PM
When was this poll taken? - I think Reggie Bush is the most over-hyped/overrated player I've seen come around in a long time - take away his punt return and what has he done? -- ESPN will agonize every week to find some kind of highlight even if it's a five yard swing pass - he's the new Eric Metcalf - except Metcalf was betterhard to argue with this and you almost have to say marques colston is the front runner for offensive rookie of the year. i have to ask about bush though... would horn, mccallister, colston, and brees be as productive if he werent there? probably not

sumo
10-31-2006, 04:38 PM
hard to argue with this and you almost have to say marques colston is the front runner for offensive rookie of the year. i have to ask about bush though... would horn, mccallister, colston, and brees be as productive if he werent there? probably not

you got me - he's not overrated as a decoy, but how long will that last once everybody realizes he's really not that much better than everybody else in the NFL

BBC
10-31-2006, 04:43 PM
I dont think you can give Manning so much credit for the wins and his passing stats, and then lump so much of the blame on the rest of his team come playoff time.

I didn't put 'much' of the blame on the rest of his team. I was merely stating that his losses have been team efforts, and they deserve just as much 'credit' for the loss as Peyton does. Too many times I see posts that 'Peyton Manning chokes'. Well, if we want to put all of the blame on him for losses, then he get's all of the credit for the wins.

I'm more in the middle. I feel that he plays a large role in his team's success, and he also plays a large role in his team's playoff inability. That is not to say that he chokes, as he had nothing to do with the way that his blocking seems to shut down against teams like the Patriots, and how his 'automatic' kicker couldn't take a game into over time.

In short, I just don't feel Peyton is the only one to blame the Colts' post season woes, as many would like to believe.

Alot of people are of the opinion that the Colts D folds in the postseason which just isn't true - they have been competitive nearly every game - they dont concede more than 24 points too often.

It's not his defense. It's always been his offenses inability to put up points. As I said, Peyton does his job to lose those games, but so do his receivers, offensive linemen, and special teamers.

While I have alot of respect for his passing ability, I question some of his QB skills - the ability to handle the heat, to think rationally under the most severe pressure.

I'd say that's true for every quarterback. What many don't take into consideration is his ability to prepare for the blitz prior to the snap. He is able to avoid a lot of sacks and mistakes because of pressure from the audibles that he calls when his team is at the line.

While I would agree that he has had trouble dealing with pressure when it is put on him during the play, I would say that holds true with every quarterback in the league. The only QB that I've been more impressed with to handle the pressure put on from an opposing defense, prior to and during the play, is Tom Brady (whom is the reason that I only put Peyton in the top two, rather than #1).

I also think the 'over-rated' tag is not given to him not purely because of this annual postseason failure to perform, but because every year we get the pundits repeatedly ball-washing him - I dont think a QB existed who was as good as the Peyton Manning hype.

I think it's awfully hard to claim someone that holds the amount of passing records that Peyton Manning does is over-rated, post season failure or not.

Just my .02 though.