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Mosca
11-07-2006, 10:28 AM
We argue and discuss many things here, but none of that means anything compared to the fact that TODAY is the only day when your opinion counts.

Dem or Rep or Ind, left or right or center, please vote. Our country depends on us all being involved and caring enough to do this one simple thing.


Tom

tony hipchest
11-07-2006, 01:06 PM
you cant bitch if you dont vote. i got my sticker this morning (while still on the clock)

BlacknGold Bleeder
11-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Of course I voted, I like to bitch!! I never miss a vote, the day I had some Lymph nodes taken out , while high on anesthesia, I still voted !!

sumo
11-07-2006, 02:49 PM
PS--If I still lived in New Orleans I'd have voted. Bill "$90K in the freezer" Jefferson's up for re-election. He has three serious opponents (all Democrats)...in Louisiana, if nobody gets 50% the top two, regardless of party, go to a runoff next month. Since there's no realistic shot for the R's that seat isn't on the radar screen.

LA-3 is a possibility for a GOP upset--Charlie Melancon is a freshman and only won his seat by 500 votes two years ago. Nobody's paying attention to that race but he does have a well funded opponent. Keep an eye on that one if you're keeping score.

The freezer dude is still a member of congress? -- his pathetic a** should be in jail right now -

YES EVERYBODY VOTE -- voting is the main thing that separates us from the rest of the train wreck countries around the world we rescue all the time...if any of you have been to Europe recently, you know we have real choices here and parties with real differences of opinion

blackvelvet
11-07-2006, 04:04 PM
I'd love to, but sadly i'm too young. I'll be able to vote for the first time in the next presidental election.

SteelCityMan786
11-07-2006, 04:39 PM
I'd love to, but sadly i'm too young. I'll be able to vote for the first time in the next presidental election.

I'll be eligible to vote 1 year before Swan's Possible Re-Election year pending what happens today.

83-Steelers-43
11-07-2006, 05:11 PM
Done did it.

floodcitygirl
11-07-2006, 05:46 PM
Absolutely!

PisnNapalm
11-07-2006, 05:55 PM
I voted too. It's difficult though. It's like should I cut off my left leg or my right leg. Which would hurt less.

I will be happier when the damn billboards and signs are taken down.

3 to be 4
11-07-2006, 05:56 PM
I voted 8 times!

floodcitygirl
11-07-2006, 06:01 PM
I will be happier when the damn billboards and signs are taken down.I agree and now maybe I can start answering my phone again too!

HometownGal
11-07-2006, 06:08 PM
I'll be eligible to vote 1 year before Swan's Possible Re-Election year pending what happens today.

Just voted for our boy Swanny! :tt02: Rendell is leading in the polls but I don't put much stock in them - I've seen them wrong more often than right. The way I look at it is if Swann doesn't win this time around, he'll run again in 4 years against Fat Eddie - well - if PA isn't bankrupt by then with Jabba the Hut's food expense bills.

sumo
11-07-2006, 06:22 PM
Hey -- how come Swann didn't do better in this race? I hope he still pulls it off, but I heard him on the campaign trail several times and he's sharp - why hasn't he shown better in the polls? - maybe there's an obvious answer I don't know about because I don't live in Penn..

Chronicgaming
11-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Just voted here in Colo!

PisnNapalm
11-07-2006, 07:30 PM
I shut off the ringer on the house line last week. In one day I had gotten 6 political phone solicitations. Freakin obnoxious.

stillers4me
11-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Every single political phone call I got was from Democrats.

I voted last week compliments of the absentee ballot and early voting allowed in Ohio. It's a good thing, too.......I had to be at work by 8am and there was an accident on the freeway on the way home and I didn't get home until 6:30. Vote early.......vote often!

MattsMe
11-07-2006, 08:11 PM
I've always voted based on legitimate motives, but today I made an exception. There's an independent on the ballot for lieutenant governor, and his name is E.Z. Million. I know almost nothing about him, but I'd never vote against an easy million. He got my vote!

SteelCityMan786
11-07-2006, 08:37 PM
Rendell can't run in 2010--term limits.

That's only president last I check. Governor he still can.

SteelCityMan786
11-07-2006, 08:40 PM
Current Big Effect Race Updates

Bob Casey: 126
Rick Santorum: 90
1 Percent Counted

Lynn Swann: 77
Ed Rendell: 145
1 Percent Counted

SteelCityMan786
11-07-2006, 08:45 PM
Bob Casey: 3017
Rick Santorum: 1556
15 Pcts

Lynn Swann: 1369
Ed Rendell: 3265

15 Pcts

tony hipchest
11-07-2006, 09:35 PM
I've always voted based on legitimate motives, but today I made an exception. There's an independent on the ballot for lieutenant governor, and his name is E.Z. Million. I know almost nothing about him, but I'd never vote against an easy million. He got my vote!

sweeeet!

"we want EZ" (for all the NWA fans out there)

SteelCityMan786
11-07-2006, 09:44 PM
For those of you in my area.

Bill Shuster:62%
Tony Barr:38%

X-Terminator
11-08-2006, 12:37 AM
I voted!

HometownGal
11-08-2006, 08:52 AM
Four more years of Jabba the Hut as Governor. :yuck: Lynn will still be fairly young in another 4 years and I hope he takes another shot at the governor's chair. All in all, Lynn did pretty well for a guy with no political background. :thumbsup: I am guessing that a lot of PA Democrats voted party lines because Rendell has done absolutely NOTHING in his four years in office. Well, that's not totally correct - he did almost take the state broke with his food expense bills - sure would be nice if we all could have steak, lobster and a case of twinkies for dessert every night, huh?

Jeremy
11-08-2006, 08:57 AM
Swann is done. This was his one shot. If you're looking for a Republican candidate for governor in 2010, look no further than the man who just lost his Senator's seat. If Santorum moves his family back to Pennsylvania and does some image rehab, he's be the perfect choice for the Republicans in 2010.

HometownGal
11-08-2006, 09:37 AM
Swann is done. This was his one shot. If you're looking for a Republican candidate for governor in 2010, look no further than the man who just lost his Senator's seat. If Santorum moves his family back to Pennsylvania and does some image rehab, he's be the perfect choice for the Republicans in 2010.

Though I voted for Santorum because of my intense dislike for Casey, I don't think I would vote for him in 2010 should he decide to take a run for Governor - sorry. He has done a lot for Pennsylvanians during his Senate terms but there are some character issues I have with him and unless he turns himself around, I couldn't vote for him in a Governor's race in good conscience. I never vote straight party lines - I do my homework and vote for the candidate I feel would do the best job in that position, even if they are a Demo.

I didn't campaign and vote for Swanny because of his past as a Pittsburgh Steeler - I liked his platform and his ideas and I'll have to disagree here on him being "done". Time will tell, I suppose. :smile:

Jeremy
11-08-2006, 09:54 AM
The reason I say he's done is what does he fall back on now? He has no real vehichle to keep him in the spotlight for the next few years. Santorum has political experience to fall back on. Now does that mean he gives us the big house in Virginia and moves back to Penn Hills? I kind of doubt it, but it depends on what he wants. He could still be a darkhorse as a vice presidential candidate in 2008, but this election put a serious dent in those hopes.

Mosca
11-08-2006, 10:27 AM
The electorate has spoken and it has resoundingly rejected Santorum; an 18 point loss is pretty definitive. If the result had been closer I'd see him having a chance for governor in the future, but I think he's finished as an elected official in PA.

OTOH, Santorum is extremely loyal and sticks to his guns on what he believes. He has a lot of political capital in the bank in DC. There's no way he's done on the national scene. He might turn up as a cabinet nominee, or as a lobbyist (where he could be more powerful than he was as an elected official). My bet is that he abandons Penn Hills, keeps the house in VA and goes big time. I really see him as a Republican VP candidate eventually.

Rendell is very popular in much of PA. There's not much to say beyond that. I don't think that it was that they didn't like Swann, it was more that they are satisfied with the job Rendell has been doing and don't see the need for a change. I don't live in western PA anymore so I don't know how he's served that part of the state. Here in the northeast people seem to be generally satisfied with the way the state is running. Even those who preferred Swann seemed to prefer him because of party affiliation rather than because of anything Rendell was doing wrong :hunch: And lots of people said that they never knew what Swann was for; they only knew that he was against Rendell. What that means to me is that Swann's positive ads... he did have LOTS of positive ads... addressed issues that didn't resound with people in much of the state. He DID define himself, but the issues he used were either unimportant to the state as a whole or people felt that the current administration was doing a good job of addressing them already. Overall I have to say I was unimpressed and disappointed with what I saw from Swann. I would have hoped for more. The thing he said, something along the lines of if you don't vote I don't want to hear from you... and then supposedly he hasn't voted himself in a good % of recent elections, well, I dunno. Regardless of who votes and who doesn't, you have to work for ALL the people, even the non-voters. Hell, they're 3/4 of your constituents.


Tom

sumo
11-08-2006, 11:04 AM
I'm not from Penn, but I am bummed Santorum lost - seems strange to me that a guy with a clear and concise view on Iraq and the growing worldwide Islamic threat, can lose so convincingly - he has been speaking on a lot of national radio and tv - the guy gets it - he's one of the only ones that do - IMO, we are worse off as a country without him in the senate..

Jeremy
11-08-2006, 11:15 AM
This was about Santorum as a person. He had become far too national for most Pennsylvanians. From the flap over his residence in Virginia to his stances on working mothers and abortions, he simply didn't represent the values on Pennsylvania any longer.

Most of us will not miss him.

Mosca
11-08-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm not from Penn, but I am bummed Santorum lost - seems strange to me that a guy with a clear and concise view on Iraq and the growing worldwide Islamic threat, can lose so convincingly - he has been speaking on a lot of national radio and tv - the guy gets it - he's one of the only ones that do - IMO, we are worse off as a country without him in the senate..


I think most Americans are in agreement that we want to continue to fight global terrorism and fundamentalism of ALL kinds, but that the war in Iraq isn't the way to do it. Leaving Iraq doesn't mean stopping fighting terror; it means stopping fighting in Iraq. We have already given our enemies a tremendous lead in the overall war through our flawed invasion, and the longer we stay there and pursue this wrong path, the more of an advantage we give them.

Iraq was never a threat, but we made it one. By being there we create enemies faster than we could ever quell them. If that is a strategy for victory, I can't see it. If victory means exterminating every Muslim, then I'll be the first to stick my hand up in the air and say that I don't have the stomach for genocide, even if they do; after all, when it was 2 billion of us and 10,000 of them (the original estimate of the number of dedicated Islamic extremists), I felt pretty confident we could contain them. Even now, I feel pretty confident that Muslims won't appear on TV demanding that Johnny Redneck pray 5 times toward Mecca and that Paris Hilton has to start wearing a burkha. It isn't going to happen. The only threat to our civilization is from ourselves, the way I see it.

Ask yourself, not if this war should be fought and won, because it should be; but ask yourself if the way we are fighting it will win it. THAT is what the issue is.

HometownGal
11-08-2006, 11:35 AM
Rendell is very popular in much of PA. There's not much to say beyond that. I don't think that it was that they didn't like Swann, it was more that they are satisfied with the job Rendell has been doing and don't see the need for a change.

That's the thing here, Tom - what exactly has Rendell done for the state and its tax-paying residents during his first 4 years in office? How can any rational person be satisfied with nothing? He made many campaign promises - most notably the reduction in property taxes state-wide - that he simply didn't put forth the effort to keep once he was sitting comfortably in Harrisburg. His big brag during this campaign was that during his tenure, lottery sales have increased dramatically and more profits have gone to aid seniors. Most seniors here would tell you that simply isn't true. What really has this big oaf done other than flip-flop on issues that he's been nailed on (typical) and raise the state income tax several months after being elected to his prior term? He's dragged his ass on the casinos issue because no one is really in favor of awarding the slots license to his AC mob buddies who pad his pockets.

I want a governor who is going to move Pennsylvania forward (ironic isn't it that this was his campaign slogan - LMFAO!) not a do-nothing lump of flesh who only lifts his fingers to feed his face. I liked Swann's plan to get rid of or drastically reduce the state's death tax - why the hell should decedents (and their heirs) be taxed multiple times on their assets? He was going to get the casino licenses issues moving ahead instead of laying in limbo as that issue has under Rendell. I could go on and on but the point I'm trying to make here is that instead of having a Governor who will work for the residents of Pennsylvania - ALL of them (instead of just Philly) and do what it takes to move PA forward instead of allowing it to lag behind, we have another 4 years of Do Nothing Eddie. I look for the state's income tax to be raised again and that probability definitely doesn't turn me on.

sumo
11-08-2006, 11:50 AM
I think most Americans are in agreement that we want to continue to fight global terrorism and fundamentalism of ALL kinds, but that the war in Iraq isn't the way to do it. Leaving Iraq doesn't mean stopping fighting terror; it means stopping fighting in Iraq. We have already given our enemies a tremendous lead in the overall war through our flawed invasion, and the longer we stay there and pursue this wrong path, the more of an advantage we give them.

Iraq was never a threat, but we made it one. By being there we create enemies faster than we could ever quell them. If that is a strategy for victory, I can't see it. If victory means exterminating every Muslim, then I'll be the first to stick my hand up in the air and say that I don't have the stomach for genocide, even if they do; after all, when it was 2 billion of us and 10,000 of them (the original estimate of the number of dedicated Islamic extremists), I felt pretty confident we could contain them. Even now, I feel pretty confident that Muslims won't appear on TV demanding that Johnny Redneck pray 5 times toward Mecca and that Paris Hilton has to start wearing a burkha. It isn't going to happen. The only threat to our civilization is from ourselves, the way I see it.

Ask yourself, not if this war should be fought and won, because it should be; but ask yourself if the way we are fighting it will win it. THAT is what the issue is.

I respectfully diagree with you on the 10,000 number - there was more than this in each Taliban affil. tribe in Afghanistan alone - even if you're talking about Iraq, the number of militant sects - especially in the south would have made it impossible to come up with an accurate estimate anyway - I agree that nobody will be wearing a burka in the US any time soon and I do not advocate the genocide of muslims - not sure how you got this impression from my post or anything Santorum has said - the Islamic threat from a terrorist and non terrorist perspective in the rest of the world is real ...very real - all you have to do is go visit any European country for a couple of weeks and you will see immediately what I am talking about - I also agree with you that we are not fighting the war in Iraq the right way - but I suspect we would disagree on how this should be handled also...so let's just agree that we do not want the Steelers to fumble anymore..

Mosca
11-08-2006, 04:04 PM
Oh no, no, I never meant to imply that you advocated genocide. That followed from my own assertion that we are creating enemies out of regular Muslims; at that rate the only way to declare victory would be to kill them all.

The 10,000 number was the estimate of the number of extermists with terrorist intent. Many of the Taliban, reprehensible they might be, were perfectly content to exercise their power within Afghanistan. They were not an international terrorist group themselves; they sheltered Bin Laden and his terrorist group.

Nevertheless, our excursion into Iraq has been counterproductive. I don't see how continuing our presence there serves our interests. Leaving may certainly embolden our enemies; would leaving later embolden them more? Less? I would say another year of the same thing would make leaving worse.


Tom

SteelCityMan786
11-08-2006, 04:17 PM
That's the thing here, Tom - what exactly has Rendell done for the state and its tax-paying residents during his first 4 years in office? How can any rational person be satisfied with nothing? He made many campaign promises - most notably the reduction in property taxes state-wide - that he simply didn't put forth the effort to keep once he was sitting comfortably in Harrisburg. His big brag during this campaign was that during his tenure, lottery sales have increased dramatically and more profits have gone to aid seniors. Most seniors here would tell you that simply isn't true. What really has this big oaf done other than flip-flop on issues that he's been nailed on (typical) and raise the state income tax several months after being elected to his prior term? He's dragged his ass on the casinos issue because no one is really in favor of awarding the slots license to his AC mob buddies who pad his pockets.

I want a governor who is going to move Pennsylvania forward (ironic isn't it that this was his campaign slogan - LMFAO!) not a do-nothing lump of flesh who only lifts his fingers to feed his face. I liked Swann's plan to get rid of or drastically reduce the state's death tax - why the hell should decedents (and their heirs) be taxed multiple times on their assets? He was going to get the casino licenses issues moving ahead instead of laying in limbo as that issue has under Rendell. I could go on and on but the point I'm trying to make here is that instead of having a Governor who will work for the residents of Pennsylvania - ALL of them (instead of just Philly) and do what it takes to move PA forward instead of allowing it to lag behind, we have another 4 years of Do Nothing Eddie. I look for the state's income tax to be raised again and that probability definitely doesn't turn me on.

What has Rendel done for western PA? NOTHING. The Republican dominated counties have gotten NOTHING WHATSOEVER. Rendell fails to realize the Penguins are one of the Biggest financial assets to the State of PA. What has he done to save them, NOTHING. Plan B screws them over in my opinion. He's forcing the Penguins to pick up part of the pocket when they have said multiple times that they Do NOT want to do so as they have stated MILLIONS OF TIMES. The IOC plan is the eaisest way to go the deal done. Also if we can get the deal done, Pittsburgh will eventually play host to an Arena Football League Franchise again. That alone can generate probably 1,000 jobs and more then 1,000,000 Jobs construction and with what will fill the vacant spaces are left by after Mellon is gone. The Legislative Pay Raise was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Rendell was also behind the whole thing. Property Tax relief where are you? NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. PA Made a mistake in 2002. We didn't take advantage of correcting it. Now we have to make our life even more miserable.