View Full Version : Is there a situation where u bench Ben ?
07-30-2005, 05:01 PM
OK, so we all have nothing but confidence in Ben to lead us to the promised land and have a very successful career in Pittsburgh. I have no doubts he can do it.
But, is there a situation in a game, where if he is struggling, and we still have a chance to win, that you bench him? Bring in Maddox to try and light a fire? Or do you stick w/ him thru thick and thin no matter what.
hell, even the best of the best have been told to sit now and then when it just isnt their day?
07-30-2005, 05:42 PM
Nope keep him in no matter what. This year is not going to be a 15-1. Ben is going to have some bad games, and some good ones. Lets just hope he has more good ones than bad ones.
07-30-2005, 05:46 PM
Of course it would depend on the importance of the game. Is this the 1st game of the year? A must win to get into the palyoffs? Or possibly the chance to win the Superbowl? I voted to let him in there and that would be in any of these games. He is the team leader from here on out. I hope he has a Favre like career. Never hurt and mostly a winner. This is only his second year but this is his team. He must play at all times unless he is hurt or they have things wrapped up were he can sit.
I say no....It can ruin with a QB's confidence. Kordell was never the same after getting benched. Not that he was ever really good, but you could see a change in his confidence and the way he carried himself.
07-30-2005, 06:24 PM
I cannot see how you stick with Ben regardless of his form.
Even if the Steelers were the Cards - then you still cant afford to have a QB on board who is actually losing you games and doesn't appear to be improving.
Of course, I cannot forsee anything like this happening - but everyone on the team is droppable if he is losing you games.
Its a different story if it was a minor wobble that could be attributed to sophomore blues - then you stick with the guy - he is supposed to be the future.
So I certainly wouldn't drop him if he made mistakes based on a lack of experience - there's only one way to learn right?
But if he developed a case of QB 'yips' then you would have to bench him for the sake of the team - a team has to have faith that its QB can get the job done on the day.
07-30-2005, 10:04 PM
I think kordell was a different situation. He didnt take pressure well, he didnt stress well, and broke down many times. When kordell was having a bad game, which there were many of them we all know, he rarely dug himself out and helped us win the game by making that crucial 3rd pass, or throwing the TD to win the game when we were behind. Yes there were times when he did, but when ben had some ruff games last year, he came thru when he had too w/ big plays to help us keep winning.
Early on in the season, I think u gotta stick w/ him no matter what, but if he struggles late in the season in a must win game, I'd be tempted let him sit and calm down, even if only for a few series or so.
07-30-2005, 10:29 PM
I would keep him in. The only time I think I would take him out is if it was a very crucial game and he was playing absolutely horrible. I would just pull him out for that game though and see what happens with him in the game next week.
07-31-2005, 12:49 AM
Ben has to play all the time. You need to see what he can do with all the plays all the time. Stewart got his chances and we decided to go another direction after evaluating. We need to make sure that what we saw last year is what we wil continue to see. I also see this as a sub category of the "everybody loves the back up QB" notion, until the back up has to keep playing and pretty much provides the same results. Even in his rookie season Ben did things Tommy or Batch have never done in their opportunities so I say dance with the one that brought ya.
07-31-2005, 09:38 AM
Not trying to be argumentative here...but, it was are running game and defense that got us to 15-1. Yes, Ben was the QB of this team. Look at his stats. He averaged 174 yds a game passing and 1 Td passing. I don't think it was his arm that got us 15-1. He made some plays, yes. I agree he shows alot of promise. But, I also think David Klingler could have looked good as the QB last year. I like Ben and think he's got things going in the right direction to be one of the best in the league. I'm posting his stats to corroborate my opinion.
| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |
| 2 bal | 12 20 176 2 2 | 0 0 0 |
| 3 mia | 12 22 163 1 1 | 1 2 0 |
| 4 cin | 17 25 174 1 0 | 4 2 0 |
| 5 cle | 16 21 231 1 1 | 6 13 1 |
| 6 dal | 21 25 193 2 0 | 2 8 0 |
| 8 nwe | 18 24 196 2 0 | 5 3 0 |
| 9 phi | 11 18 183 2 1 | 6 10 0 |
| 10 cle | 10 16 134 0 1 | 7 38 0 |
| 11 cin | 15 21 138 1 0 | 9 16 0 |
| 12 was | 9 20 131 0 0 | 6 4 0 |
| 13 jax | 14 17 221 2 0 | 3 40 0 |
| 14 nyj | 9 19 144 0 2 | 4 -2 0 |
| 15 nyg | 18 28 316 1 2 | 1 -1 0 |
| 16 bal | 14 19 221 2 1 | 2 11 0 |
| TOTAL | 196 295 2621 17 11 | 56 144 1 |
07-31-2005, 10:50 AM
Its a valid point Lambert and well backed up by stats.
But I think that having less attempts automatically leads to less yardage - so you cant really be down on him for that.
What last year did show us is that Ben could handle the 'key moment' of most games - this is an intangible - I think it is a key reason on why alot of people are up on him.
The running game and O-Line are massive factors - but the fact is - sometime its harder to be relied on to make a higher % of a small number of throws count - rather then being allowed to throw the ball 35/40 times a game.
Everything I have seen of BEN so far I have liked - but is he a very good QB yet? Nope not yet , but this season will tell us alot.
I dont imagine that Pittsburgh will be going away from their smash mouth running game anytime soon....in fact is I see the Steelers as the ANTI-COLTS.
The problem with a quick scoring offence is that your D is spending too much time on the pitch - a slightly more physical grinding offensive style can prove more effective overall.
07-31-2005, 11:09 AM
I'd only yank him if he's costing us losses, it would have to be a few in a row.
11-13-2005, 09:09 AM
Thank God we didn`t bench the best qb in the league, just because he had a terrible preseason
11-13-2005, 09:34 AM
I figured you were gonna say somthing like that in this thread :rofl:
Ben is awesome, Im glad we arent like some OTHER franchises **coughcough clowns-ratbirds coughcough** that go thru QB's like 5.00 hookers :grin:
11-13-2005, 10:41 AM
I have to admit that theres been a couple games this year where I was getting frustrated watching Ben.. I love Ben just as much as any Steelers fan and he's gonna be an excellent quarterback.. BUT.... Cower must not get Kordell syndrome and stick with him no matter what . Nothing I hated more than to see KS keep playing after miserable game after miserable game. Most significantly, Baltimore. I would have yanked him after the first couple of series after he got injured as you could just tell he was in pain and not playing like he normally does.. He does need to learn I 100 percent agree but If he can't make the plays even in 1 crappy game I wouldn't be disappointed to see Cower yank him for the sake of the win.. He's been fortunate to have played so quickly in the NFL and a little reality check may keep HIM in check......
11-13-2005, 04:54 PM
Don't forget that Ben told Cowher he would pull HIMSELF if he felt he was hurting the team. Ben is the future of the Steelers and if ever you take away the thought that his COACH has lost confidence in him, it will always be in his mind and he will suffer. He needs to lose a few games to get the experience he needs to win many more of them. Leave 'em in!
11-13-2005, 04:57 PM
oh i thought this was a new thread so i voted anyway. hell no never put maddox in for ben if ben is healthy, i have no faith in maddox and he would just make it worse. i rather have willie parker throwing passes then seeing maddox out there
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