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lamberts-lost-tooth
12-08-2006, 06:33 AM
LOL...just wanted to get a jump and have the first draft on the forum:dang: !!!! I usually have one posted on the internet every year with explanations....but I had time on my hands tonight and just threw this one together real quick...I mainly wanted to go with team weakness and what players fit the system...(but last year was a perfect example of players not going where they should have!!!)...so take it for what it is worth...and understand it is still very early so position and players will change.

Give me feedback...it will help in my actual mock draft that I will post in late January on the net! Thanks!!!

1. Oakland Raiders - Jamarcus Russell, QB Louisiana State (After seeing Russell play against Quinn..I think Oakland forgoes another Vet and drafts for the future)

2. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame (..and again...I have no faith that Detroit will draft responsibly)

3. Cleveland Browns - Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma (Hate to see Adrian in our division but Cleveland has a great opportunity with the 3rd pick)

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech (By far the best WR in the draft...)

5. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas, OT Wisconsin (Arizona needs someone to protect Matt and to open holes for Edge)

6. Washington Redskins - Darrelle Revis, CB Pittsburgh (Washington HAS to upgrade their defense in some way other than throwing money at vets.)

7. Minnesota Vikings- Dwayne Jarrett, WR USC (Another team with serious WR needs)

8. Houston Texans - Ted Ginn Jr, WR Ohio State (Moulds is not the #2 they thought he might be..and they were sold enough on D.Davis to pass on Bush...Davis/Daynes in the backfield next year is not a bad combo)

9. Miami Dolphins- Alan Branch, DT Michigan (best tackle coming out this year)

10. Atlanta Falcons - LaRon Landry, S LSU (Take away D. Hall and the backfield has combined for 1 interception)

11. San Francisco 49ers - Gaines Adams, DE Clemson (Bryant is having a good year but turns 35 next year)

12. Buffalo Bills - Leon Hall, CB Michigan (considered the best CB in the draft by some..)

13.St. Louis Rams - Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State (..anyone think that Posluzney might make Dexter Coakley's stats laughable in his first year?)

14. Carolina Panthers - Reggie Nelson, S Florida (Carolina needs a Safety that can support the run and blitz, and Nelson is climbing the charts)

15. Pittsburgh Steelers- Quentin Moses, DE/OLB (OK..you changed my mind for me..Porters replacement is picked up to groom under him for a year)

16.Green Bay Packers-Marshawn Lynch, RB California (at some point opponants need to start respecting the Packers running game)

17. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Griffin. S Texas (Griffin is just what they need in a defensive player...and some think he is a steal this late in the draft)

18. Cincinnati Bengals - Marcus McCauley, CB Fresno State (6'1, 4.3..Several UFA's will have this team on the ropes ..and other teams can pass against them...all...day...long)

19. Tennessee Titans- Robert Meachum, WR Tennessee (Meechum stays in Tennessee...instantly makes the WR corp better)

20. New York Giants -Daymeion Hughes, CB California (The Giants get a CB with great size at 6'2 190, and great hands)

21. Denver Broncos- Charles Johnson, DE Georgia (So hard to not go RB..but Denver needs to upgrade their run defense)

22. New England Patriots (from Seattle) - Patrick Willis, LB Mississippi (Best natural ILB in the draft)

23. Dallas Cowboys - Justin Blaylock, OG/OT Texas (Romo needs time to check down...Blaylock locks on to his man until the whistle blows)

24. Kansas City Chiefs - Levi Brown, OT Penn State (Every year I think they will go WR and they never do...)

25. New Orleans Saints - Zack Miller, TE Arizona St (Another weapon in New Orleans... who get the best TE in the draft)

26. New York Jets- Greg Olsen, TE Miami ( (With renewed faith in Pennington..Chad is given an outlet)

27.Chicago Bears -Rufus Alexander, OLB Oklahoma . (With the real possibility of losing a starter to FA..Bears pick up young talent)

28. New England Patriots - Aaron Ross CB Texas (Thorpe award recipient as nations top DB, spent three years behind extremely talented upperclassmen ...Michael Huff, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Griffin... and exploded when given the chance)

29. Baltimore Ravens - Michael Bush RB, Louisville (History of injuries...but the upside on Bush is off the scales

30. Indianapolis Colts- Prescott Burgess, OLB Michigan (Indy is ranked 32 in run defense..Burgess can blitz and lock on to a RB)

31. Philadelphia Eagles-H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh (May go OL with Howard getting older..but blades is a serious talent)

32. San Diego Chargers - Jeff Samardzija, WR Notre Dame (will go higher with a good combine...has the size and the hands that teams are looking for)

ShutDown24
12-08-2006, 07:07 PM
thats pretty good... I really think the Gians like Brandon Jacobs though and when Tiki retires I wouldnt look for them to draft a RB high... maybe in the third round but I think they are comfortable looking at jacobs as there starter right now.... And I honeslty dont think we need a corner in the first either. Ike and B Mac imo have a chance to do something special next year. I could see us going corner in the second round maybe, but first we need a linebacker to replace Joey and we need a center (my personnal opinion)... some people want us to take Michael Bush, but I would rather have us pick up TJ Duckett through free agency... decent mock for this early tho lol...

Preacher
12-08-2006, 09:44 PM
thats pretty good... I really think the Gians like Brandon Jacobs though and when Tiki retires I wouldnt look for them to draft a RB high... maybe in the third round but I think they are comfortable looking at jacobs as there starter right now.... And I honeslty dont think we need a corner in the first either. Ike and B Mac imo have a chance to do something special next year. I could see us going corner in the second round maybe, but first we need a linebacker to replace Joey and we need a center (my personnal opinion)... some people want us to take Michael Bush, but I would rather have us pick up TJ Duckett through free agency... decent mock for this early tho lol...


Nope. We need a CB after our CB's have been lit up 3 of the last five years. Furthermore, Porter is staying. He practically begged to stay the other night on tv. I wouldn't mind taking Bush in a third round, even second if it is deep in the round. Problem is, he is injury prone, and no one knows if he can run after the last two injuries.

Dook
12-09-2006, 06:37 AM
We don't need a CB. Our CB's haven't been out of position they've just mostly been outjumped this year because we aren't moving the other teams QB around with pressure and they have too much time to make the perfect throw. Taylor isn't going anywhere even if Cowher does sit him to send a message. And McFadden is looking good. If we get a CB it will be later in the draft and only for depth.

If we did pick at #9 I don't see us passing on WR Jarrett or RB Lynch.

I'd look for a trade down to maybe #14 or #15 and get LB Posluszny or OT Long or OG Blalock.

Also, you think the Texans are going to pass on the top RB once again?

RB Bush at #18 is kind of high considering he's still limping from his injury.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-11-2006, 03:36 AM
thats pretty good... I really think the Gians like Brandon Jacobs though and when Tiki retires I wouldnt look for them to draft a RB high... maybe in the third round but I think they are comfortable looking at jacobs as there starter right now.... And I honeslty dont think we need a corner in the first either. Ike and B Mac imo have a chance to do something special next year. I could see us going corner in the second round maybe, but first we need a linebacker to replace Joey and we need a center (my personnal opinion)... some people want us to take Michael Bush, but I would rather have us pick up TJ Duckett through free agency... decent mock for this early tho lol...

Appreciate the feedback....and you and I are in the same corner when it comes to drafting a center (but I think the best center on the board is Kyle Young out of Fresno and he may be available to us in the second round)..I kinda think that Pitt wil trade down if we end up to high, they are of the old school mindset that outside the top five...the difference in talent in the first round is a crapshoot and you might as well pay for a player at the bottom then overpay in the middle. I personally would like to get Quinton Moses and convert him to to a OLB...but I dont see a position that management is as unhappy with as CB....and that might be a good indication as to where they are leaning.

I really do believe that we will see the Giants go for another RB...they have been doing the whole "thunder and lightning" thing for so long that I think they will feel naked with one premier back.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-11-2006, 03:57 AM
We don't need a CB. Our CB's haven't been out of position they've just mostly been outjumped this year because we aren't moving the other teams QB around with pressure and they have too much time to make the perfect throw. Taylor isn't going anywhere even if Cowher does sit him to send a message. And McFadden is looking good. If we get a CB it will be later in the draft and only for depth.

If we did pick at #9 I don't see us passing on WR Jarrett or RB Lynch.

I'd look for a trade down to maybe #14 or #15 and get LB Posluszny or OT Long or OG Blalock.

Also, you think the Texans are going to pass on the top RB once again?

RB Bush at #18 is kind of high considering he's still limping from his injury.

I agree that we probably wont stay at #9..and will trade down if we end up that high...and also agree that there is a strong possiblity to see an offensive lineman at that slot if the right kid is still on the board, but dont look at Posluszny, everyone is already saying that he is not a good fit in a 3-4 defense and if you were going to move him inside you would probably just draft Patrick Willis or Blades... as of right now I really see us looking for some help in the secondary (although I dont think anyone doesnt believe that Smith and Polamalu are going to be our safeties when the season starts)
....yea..I do believe the Texans MAY pass on a RB again...I think they would love to have 6'4 Calvin Johnson on the other side of 6'3 Andre Johnson (or they may even trade down and pick up speedy Ted Ginn Jr)...With Moulds going into his 12th year and only giving the Texans 500+ yards and 1 TD and with a healthy Dominik Davis in their backfield with Dayne being able to go back to his natural 1-2 punch position...WR seems like the right move..
As for Bush's injury...think Willis McGahee...with more upside!!! ..and if he doesnt go earlier..I dont see Shanahan letting him slide past #27

skidboot
12-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Wow.

Samardzija over Jarrett!

I'd put Hall over McCauley also.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-26-2006, 05:43 AM
Wow.

Samardzija over Jarrett!

I'd put Hall over McCauley also.

Im not sold on Hall at all..3rd best corner in this draft ...McCauley and Revis will fit better into a pro-scheme

SteelCzar76
12-26-2006, 07:15 AM
Im not sold on Hall at all..3rd best corner in this draft ...McCauley and Revis will fit better into a pro-scheme



Excellent thread Lambert. But i think McCauley, Revies or Hall would be considerable "reaches" if picked so high as the top 15.
Don't get me wrong i think all three are solid,..... just made of 2nd half of the first/early second quality.



"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 10:06 AM
Pos is gonna go in the top 10 in my opinion. He won't be there at 20 unless no one notices that he is in the pool

SteelCzar76
12-26-2006, 11:20 AM
Pos is gonna go in the top 10 in my opinion. He won't be there at 20 unless no one notices that he is in the pool



I could see that as well SteelCity. (Pos in the top 10) His talent, production, character and school "pedigree" could warrant a selection that high. Even though he's kinda light he's got the frame to add a little more bulk. (Durability would be my only quasi concern)
And while were talking "Big Ten",...... i think the Clowns would be well served to take Troy Smith. He'd be an immediate fan favorite for them. Not to mention i believe that he's going to shock many with his ability to perform very well at the next level.
Nahhhhh,......let's just continue to watch them (Clowns) suffer. :sofunny:



"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

SteelCityMan786
12-26-2006, 12:31 PM
Troy Smith's talent would be wasted then.

SteelCzar76
12-26-2006, 12:34 PM
Troy Smith's talent would be wasted then.


Spoken like a true Steeler,.......LOL




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Preacher
12-27-2006, 12:06 AM
I really don't think Michael Bush will go in the first round. He has been injured in the last two seasons. Don't forget. this season it was EARLY as well. Furthermore, I would not actually be surprised to see him get a fifth season because of the injury.

It would be smart for him to prove that he can go a season without injury.

Preacher
12-27-2006, 05:02 AM
I still say Bush drops into the 2nd round... maybe we could pick him up?

WOW... that would be great. Then pick up a decent Tackle or Guard to replace Simmons and starks... (until Kemo and Willie are able to really step in)

ANd we may be going places boys and girls!

Livinginthe past
12-27-2006, 06:30 AM
I like the positional picks for the Patriots - ILB and CB are definite needs for this team.

I dont see alot of the college game, so ill take your word that they are the best available in those positions :wink02:

ILB dont seem to go that high, but Belioli have shown a tendency to go after the guy they want regardless of his position.

Nice job, LLT.

NM

lilyoder6
12-28-2006, 09:49 AM
fist off Ted Ginn Jr, WR Georgia Tech is not from georgia tech he is from ohio stte.. lol

i think that oakland will draft quinn instead of detroit picking him up.. i think kitna is doin ok for him.. i would say for detroit is to get a ol or work on there def
is this supposingly the draft order for the draft???

SteelCityMan786
12-28-2006, 10:39 AM
Spoken like a true Steeler,.......LOL




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

:sofunny:

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-28-2006, 10:54 AM
fist off Ted Ginn Jr, WR Georgia Tech is not from georgia tech he is from .. lol

i think that oakland will draft quinn instead of detroit picking him up.. i think kitna is doin ok for him.. i would say for detroit is to get a ol or work on there def
is this supposingly the draft order for the draft???

No this isnt the order and the correct order will be updated after the playoffs or soon before the end of the playoffs.

Thanks for the heads up on Ginn...I update as i hear scuttlebutt about different team needs, and it looks like I updated the name and not the school. As a Mod..can you fix that for me?

I wont argue your point about Detroit not picking a QB...its like I said in the comments...I thinks its what they SHOULD do..but have no faith in them doing the right thing.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-28-2006, 01:45 PM
Excellent thread Lambert. But i think McCauley, Revies or Hall would be considerable "reaches" if picked so high as the top 15.
Don't get me wrong i think all three are solid,..... just made of 2nd half of the first/early second quality.



"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Talent wise I agree with you 100%...but need...availability..and talent have to be considered...If you have a serious need at CB.. can you pass up the best three CB's in the first part of the first round, KNOWING that they will be picked by the beginning of the second?...I personally dont think this draft is SUPER deep at CB and look for teams to take a chance.

Of all my picks I agree with the majority that its Bush that is the biggest reach...(also Kolb from Houstan who I think I will be putting back into the first round before the draft actually gets here)...but I am sticking to my guns. I was lambasted for putting Jay Cutler in my top 10 last year amd now feel somewhat vindicated. (Still believe that Oakland should have grabbed him)

SteelCzar76
12-29-2006, 04:14 AM
Talent wise I agree with you 100%...but need...availability..and talent have to be considered...If you have a serious need at CB.. can you pass up the best three CB's in the first part of the first round, KNOWING that they will be picked by the beginning of the second?...I personally dont think this draft is SUPER deep at CB and look for teams to take a chance.

Of all my picks I agree with the majority that its Bush that is the biggest reach...(also Kolb from Houstan who I think I will be putting back into the first round before the draft actually gets here)...but I am sticking to my guns. I was lambasted for putting Jay Cutler in my top 10 last year amd now feel somewhat vindicated. (Still believe that Oakland should have grabbed him)



Well said LLT and I feel you,.....in regards to need and availability. But i think at least one of them would still be on the board early in the second. The reason i say this is because, i really believe that someone will select Texas Cb Aaron Ross (and very possibly Daymeion Hughes). Thereby dropping one of the aforementioned corners into the early second.

I honestly believe Laron Landry is the best "overall" Db coming out this year. And i think he would be a very good selection for us in the first. I know he's a F/S,... but he's played both Safety positions as well as Cornerback. I think that flexibilty along with his playmaking ability would make him an immediate "impact" player for us in the secondary. (Look at how his brother Dawan is performing for the Ratbirds,.....and he's not the player Laron is)
As far as Bush,....i don't think he's that big a "reach" in reality. His injury was a break with no ligament damage. (Not to mention very early in the season) If he rehabed properly he should be the same player he was prior to the injury.
Oh yeah,...... good call on Cutler. But you know the Raiders front office always goes with the "sexy" pick at a need position. (Unless of course that need is QB,.....they prefer "journeymen") LOL



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-29-2006, 05:11 AM
Well said LLT and I feel you,.....in regards to need and availability. But i think at least one of them would still be on the board early in the second. The reason i say this is because, i really believe that someone will select Texas Cb Aaron Ross (and very possibly Daymeion Hughes). Thereby dropping one of the aforementioned corners into the early second.

I honestly believe Laron Landry is the best "overall" Db coming out this year. And i think he would be a very good selection for us in the first. I know he's a F/S,... but he's played both Safety positions as well as Cornerback. I think that flexibilty along with his playmaking ability would make him an immediate "impact" player for us in the secondary. (Look at how his brother Dawan is performing for the Ratbirds,.....and he's not the player Laron is)
As far as Bush,....i don't think he's that big a "reach" in reality. His injury was a break with no ligament damage. (Not to mention very early in the season) If he rehabed properly he should be the same player he was prior to the injury.
Oh yeah,...... good call on Cutler. But you know the Raiders front office always goes with the "sexy" pick at a need position. (Unless of course that need is QB,.....they prefer "journeymen") LOL



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Man I LOVE Laron!!! and agree that he is gonna be special...I have Hughes going to Buffalo at 17 and Ross going to New Englans at 28..I would have had Ross earlier but with limited experience I am a little gunshy...
(How would you like to get one of the CB's..and turn around in the second and have Bush still on the boards!!!???)

SteelCzar76
12-29-2006, 06:20 AM
(How would you like to get one of the CB's..and turn around in the second and have Bush still on the boards!!!???)

You mean like trade down and pick up one up later in the first ? (If we didn't take Landry,...much to my chagrin)
That would be almost "too perfect". LOL We would be able to address the secondary and ground game,.....within the first two Rnds ? (That would leave us more than enough picks to supplement the O-line and possibly pick up a tweener DE to develop at Lb.)
And maybe a deep threat wr with "red zone" size to take wilson's spot.





"Hail Caesar,........HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

skidboot
12-29-2006, 09:11 AM
would we really go for Landry?

Polamalu (contract is up after this year?) and A.Smith as starters in the future along with Carter etc do we really have the room for Landry?

nothing against Landry, I just don't see the fit.


BTW.....I think that R.Nelson stepped up this year and became the #1 S for the Draft.



We are also going to have to address the LB position. When?.....hopefully early. Porter, Farrior and Haggans are all creeping up on that magical "30" number.


I'd love to see us drop a wee bit and pick up a couple of picks.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-29-2006, 09:25 AM
would we really go for Landry?

Polamalu (contract is up after this year?) and A.Smith as starters in the future along with Carter etc do we really have the room for Landry?

nothing against Landry, I just don't see the fit.


BTW.....I think that R.Nelson stepped up this year and became the #1 S for the Draft.



We are also going to have to address the LB position. When?.....hopefully early. Porter, Farrior and Haggans are all creeping up on that magical "30" number.


I'd love to see us drop a wee bit and pick up a couple of picks.

I love Landry...but still think we go CB...I agree that Nelson is rising..I have him going to the Bears in the first round...As for OLB..I have been hoping that Quinton Moses could somehow fall to us!!!!
Is there someway to manipulate the draft to get Moses, McCauley, Bush, and Joe Thomas?..LOL

SteelCzar76
12-29-2006, 05:54 PM
would we really go for Landry?

Polamalu (contract is up after this year?) and A.Smith as starters in the future along with Carter etc do we really have the room for Landry?

nothing against Landry, I just don't see the fit.


BTW.....I think that R.Nelson stepped up this year and became the #1 S for the Draft.



We are also going to have to address the LB position. When?.....hopefully early. Porter, Farrior and Haggans are all creeping up on that magical "30" number.


I'd love to see us drop a wee bit and pick up a couple of picks.



The way i look at it skid,......you can never have enough "stud" DB's. (Worst case scenario,....you've got QUALITY depth.) Smith shows a considerable amount of promise and i've endorsed him since camp. But let's not count our proverbial chickens before they hatch. ?
Now with that said,.......both Clark and Ty are expendable. (Clark less so,.....but still "average" at best) And Mike Logan is in the "twighlight" of his career.
And Landry is not an "average" player. Like i said before,... he has played every position in the secondary and could very well make the switch to corner. And being that this year's crop of corners is relatively weak (in a sense that they're no "exceptional" impact guys)..........i think you go with the best "overall" DB.
Nelson has had an impressive "SEASON" at the safety position. But Landry has been productive for his entire tour at LSU,.....and IMO is the "total package". (so to speak)
Bottom line,......our defensive backfield though not our only weakness......is still our most considerable one and should be addressed aggressively. (ie forget about the "bandaids on bulletwounds" players.)




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

SteelCzar76
12-30-2006, 05:31 PM
Anyone think that maybe Anthony Smithis a little too wild to play on the same field as Troy? I was thiking that Troy is complimented more by a steady guy who is going ot be where he is supposed to be to cover for Troy. Smith already seems more like Troy and while it's hard to say that is a bad thing, it might be bad to have 2 Troys on the field at the same time. Does any of that make sense?:cheers:



It makes perfect sense NC. The key is to have someone else on the field with Troy that he can not only trust to be the "last line of defense",....but someone whom can also "make plays" as well,...... without sacrificing the well being of their unit.
This is easier said than done though,....and takes an exceptional player to do so.



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Black@Gold Forever32
12-30-2006, 05:55 PM
I'm so glad some fans can assume Anthony Smith is to wild only after a hand full of games that he started. Smith is still young and growing. To say he is to wild is a bit pre-mature don't you think?

Krepotkin
12-30-2006, 05:59 PM
All of you guys are so hung up on Mike Bush, but what about Lorenzo Booker. IMO he's the best back in college and his potential is limitless. Hasnt been too impressive because of FSU's terrible o-line, but hes got ROY written all over him running behind Mr. Hartings and Mr. Faneca.

SteelCzar76
12-30-2006, 06:15 PM
All of you guys are so hung up on Mike Bush, but what about Lorenzo Booker. IMO he's the best back in college and his potential is limitless. Hasnt been too impressive because of FSU's terrible o-line, but hes got ROY written all over him running behind Mr. Hartings and Mr. Faneca.


Booker's got talent,....but he's undersized. And i think the idea is to pick up a "Power" back to compliment Willie. Though i could see bringing him (Booker) in to give him a look in the return game.




"Hail Caesar,.....HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Krepotkin
12-31-2006, 12:20 PM
true, but willie could be a nice barganing chip for us to possibly get 2 or maybe three picks which we could use on a DB and maybe an LB that end from Michigan; Woodley (i think) would be a nice fit in LeBeau's defense. Or maybe Laurinitias from the Ohio state university. Now don't think im trying to sell willie up river or anything, but it is what it is.

SteelCzar76
12-31-2006, 03:43 PM
true, but willie could be a nice barganing chip for us to possibly get 2 or maybe three picks which we could use on a DB and maybe an LB that end from Michigan; Woodley (i think) would be a nice fit in LeBeau's defense. Or maybe Laurinitias from the Ohio state university. Now don't think im trying to sell willie up river or anything, but it is what it is.


Uhhhhh,......no. (LOL) I think Willie is a major asset to this franchise. He's an exceptional talent. (And very likely will get even better) I don't want a back to replace him. I'd just like to see the franchise aquire a young stud "power" back (like Bush) to "spell" him.

I do however agree with you about Lamar Woodley. He's a perfect example of the kind of DE "tweener" that we usually have success turning into very productive linebackers.




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Elvis
01-02-2007, 07:55 AM
true, but willie could be a nice barganing chip for us to possibly get 2 or maybe three picks which we could use on a DB and maybe an LB that end from Michigan; Woodley (i think) would be a nice fit in LeBeau's defense. Or maybe Laurinitias from the Ohio state university. Now don't think im trying to sell willie up river or anything, but it is what it is.

:jawdrop:
Are you kiddin?... not even a thought of trading Willie....:banana: :chicken: :blah: :dang: :wave:

skidboot
01-02-2007, 04:54 PM
The way i look at it skid,......you can never have enough "stud" DB's. (Worst case scenario,....you've got QUALITY depth.) Smith shows a considerable amount of promise and i've endorsed him since camp. But let's not count our proverbial chickens before they hatch. ?
Now with that said,.......both Clark and Ty are expendable. (Clark less so,.....but still "average" at best) And Mike Logan is in the "twighlight" of his career.
And Landry is not an "average" player. Like i said before,... he has played every position in the secondary and could very well make the switch to corner. And being that this year's crop of corners is relatively weak (in a sense that they're no "exceptional" impact guys)..........i think you go with the best "overall" DB.
Nelson has had an impressive "SEASON" at the safety position. But Landry has been productive for his entire tour at LSU,.....and IMO is the "total package". (so to speak)
Bottom line,......our defensive backfield though not our only weakness......is still our most considerable one and should be addressed aggressively. (ie forget about the "bandaids on bulletwounds" players.)




"Hail Caesar,.......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"



and playing in a 3-4 means we also have to have those "stud" LBers.
the guys have IMO had their best days and we are going to need more guys SOON to come in and take their place.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-06-2007, 06:56 AM
LOL...just wanted to get a jump and have the first draft on the forum:dang: !!!! I usually have one posted on the internet every year with explanations....but I had time on my hands tonight and just threw this one together real quick...I mainly wanted to go with team weakness and what players fit the system...(but last year was a perfect example of players not going where they should have!!!)...so take it for what it is worth...and understand it is still very early so position and players will change.

Give me feedback...it will help in my actual mock draft that I will post in late January on the net! Thanks!!!

1. Oakland Raiders - Jamarcus Russell, QB Louisiana State (After seeing Russell play against Quinn..I think Oakland forgoes another Vet and drafts for the future)

2. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame (..and again...I have no faith that Detroit will draft responsibly)

3. Cleveland Browns - Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma (Hate to see Adrian in our division but Cleveland has a great opportunity with the 3rd pick)

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech (By far the best WR in the draft...)

5. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas, OT Wisconsin (Arizona needs someone to protect Matt and to open holes for Edge)

6. Washington Redskins - Darrelle Revis, CB Pittsburgh (Washington HAS to upgrade their defense in some way other than throwing money at vets.)

7. Minnesota Vikings- Dwayne Jarrett, WR USC (Another team with serious WR needs)

8. Houston Texans - Ted Ginn Jr, WR Ohio State (Moulds is not the #2 they thought he might be..and they were sold enough on D.Davis to pass on Bush...Davis/Daynes in the backfield next year is not a bad combo)

9. Miami Dolphins- Alan Branch, DT Michigan (best tackle coming out this year)

10. Atlanta Falcons - LaRon Landry, S LSU (Take away D. Hall and the backfield has combined for 1 interception)

11. San Francisco 49ers - Gaines Adams, DE Clemson (Bryant is having a good year but turns 35 next year)

12. Buffalo Bills - Leon Hall, CB Michigan (considered the best CB in the draft by some..)

13.St. Louis Rams - Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State (..anyone think that Posluzney might make Dexter Coakley's stats laughable in his first year?)

14. Carolina Panthers - Reggie Nelson, S Florida (Carolina needs a Safety that can support the run and blitz, and Nelson is climbing the charts)

15. Pittsburgh Steelers- Quentin Moses, DE/OLB (OK..you changed my mind for me..Porters replacement is picked up to groom under him for a year)

16.Green Bay Packers-Marshawn Lynch, RB California (at some point opponants need to start respecting the Packers running game)

17. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Griffin. S Texas (Griffin is just what they need in a defensive player...and some think he is a steal this late in the draft)

18. Cincinnati Bengals - Marcus McCauley, CB Fresno State (6'1, 4.3..Several UFA's will have this team on the ropes ..and other teams can pass against them...all...day...long)

19. Tennessee Titans- Robert Meachum, WR Tennessee (Meechum stays in Tennessee...instantly makes the WR corp better)

20. New York Giants - Michael Bush RB, Louisville (History of injuries...but the upside on Bush is off the scales

21. Denver Broncos- Charles Johnson, DE Georgia (So hard to not go RB..but Denver needs to upgrade their run defense)

22. New England Patriots (from Seattle) - Patrick Willis, LB Mississippi (Best natural ILB in the draft)

23. Dallas Cowboys - Justin Blaylock, OG/OT Texas (Romo needs time to check down...Blaylock locks on to his man until the whistle blows)

24. Kansas City Chiefs - Levi Brown, OT Penn State (Every year I think they will go WR and they never do...)

25. New Orleans Saints - Zack Miller, TE Arizona St (Another weapon in New Orleans... who get the best TE in the draft)

26. New York Jets- Greg Olsen, TE Miami (Now that they have regained faith in Pennington, time to give him an outlet)

27.Chicago Bears -Glen Dorsey, DT Louisiana St. (Lovie doesnt strike me as being real forgiving and findsa replacement for Tank Johnson)

28. New England Patriots - Aaron Ross CB Texas (Thorpe award recipient as nations top DB, spent three years behind extremely talented upperclassmen ...Michael Huff, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Griffin... and exploded when given the chance)

29. Baltimore Ravens - Adam Carriker, DE Nebraska, (Ravens may go OL here, if not ...Carriker fits the Ravens defensive scheme)

30. Indianapolis Colts- Prescott Burgess, OLB Michigan (Indy is ranked 32 in run defense..Burgess can blitz and lock on to a RB)

31. Philadelphia Eagles-Daymeion Hughes, CB California (The Eagles get a CB with great size at 6'2 190, and great hands)

32. San Diego Chargers - Jeff Samardzija, WR Notre Dame (will go higher with a good combine...has the size and the hands that teams are looking for)

Updated 06 Jan 07

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-07-2007, 07:11 AM
WR Robert Meachem from Tenn. 6-3 210lbs , is declaring fo rthe draft . He may be better than Calvin Johnson. He certainly is good enough to juggle around the WRs in the 1st round. His yardage totals/YPG adn yards per reception are better. Calvin had 5 out of 12 games held under 30 yards.

I agree 100%..He was one of the reasons for the update...I now have him in the first round and staying in Tennessee.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-09-2007, 07:28 AM
After last nights showing...I am thinking that Troy Smith hurt any chance that he had of getting into the first round

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-10-2007, 12:57 PM
LOL...just wanted to get a jump and have the first draft on the forum:dang: !!!! I usually have one posted on the internet every year with explanations....but I had time on my hands tonight and just threw this one together real quick...I mainly wanted to go with team weakness and what players fit the system...(but last year was a perfect example of players not going where they should have!!!)...so take it for what it is worth...and understand it is still very early so position and players will change.

Give me feedback...it will help in my actual mock draft that I will post in late January on the net! Thanks!!!

1. Oakland Raiders - Jamarcus Russell, QB Louisiana State (After seeing Russell play against Quinn..I think Oakland forgoes another Vet and drafts for the future)

2. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame (..and again...I have no faith that Detroit will draft responsibly)

3. Cleveland Browns - Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma (Hate to see Adrian in our division but Cleveland has a great opportunity with the 3rd pick)

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech (By far the best WR in the draft...)

5. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas, OT Wisconsin (Arizona needs someone to protect Matt and to open holes for Edge)

6. Washington Redskins - Darrelle Revis, CB Pittsburgh (Washington HAS to upgrade their defense in some way other than throwing money at vets.)

7. Minnesota Vikings- Dwayne Jarrett, WR USC (Another team with serious WR needs)

8. Houston Texans - Ted Ginn Jr, WR Ohio State (Moulds is not the #2 they thought he might be..and they were sold enough on D.Davis to pass on Bush...Davis/Daynes in the backfield next year is not a bad combo)

9. Miami Dolphins- Alan Branch, DT Michigan (best tackle coming out this year)

10. Atlanta Falcons - LaRon Landry, S LSU (Take away D. Hall and the backfield has combined for 1 interception)

11. San Francisco 49ers - Gaines Adams, DE Clemson (Bryant is having a good year but turns 35 next year)

12. Buffalo Bills - Leon Hall, CB Michigan (considered the best CB in the draft by some..)

13.St. Louis Rams - Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State (..anyone think that Posluzney might make Dexter Coakley's stats laughable in his first year?)

14. Carolina Panthers - Reggie Nelson, S Florida (Carolina needs a Safety that can support the run and blitz, and Nelson is climbing the charts)

15. Pittsburgh Steelers- Quentin Moses, DE/OLB (OK..you changed my mind for me..Porters replacement is picked up to groom under him for a year)

16.Green Bay Packers-Marshawn Lynch, RB California (at some point opponants need to start respecting the Packers running game)

17. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Griffin. S Texas (Griffin is just what they need in a defensive player...and some think he is a steal this late in the draft)

18. Cincinnati Bengals - Marcus McCauley, CB Fresno State (6'1, 4.3..Several UFA's will have this team on the ropes ..and other teams can pass against them...all...day...long)

19. Tennessee Titans- Robert Meachum, WR Tennessee (Meechum stays in Tennessee...instantly makes the WR corp better)

20. New York Giants -Daymeion Hughes, CB California (The Giants get a CB with great size at 6'2 190, and great hands)

21. Denver Broncos- Charles Johnson, DE Georgia (So hard to not go RB..but Denver needs to upgrade their run defense)

22. New England Patriots (from Seattle) - Patrick Willis, LB Mississippi (Best natural ILB in the draft)

23. Dallas Cowboys - Justin Blaylock, OG/OT Texas (Romo needs time to check down...Blaylock locks on to his man until the whistle blows)

24. Kansas City Chiefs - Levi Brown, OT Penn State (Every year I think they will go WR and they never do...)

25. New Orleans Saints - Zack Miller, TE Arizona St (Another weapon in New Orleans... who get the best TE in the draft)

26. New York Jets- Greg Olsen, TE Miami ( (With renewed faith in Pennington..Chad is given an outlet)

27.Chicago Bears -Rufus Alexander, OLB Oklahoma . (With the real possibility of losing a starter to FA..Bears pick up young talent)

28. New England Patriots - Aaron Ross CB Texas (Thorpe award recipient as nations top DB, spent three years behind extremely talented upperclassmen ...Michael Huff, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Griffin... and exploded when given the chance)

29. Baltimore Ravens - Michael Bush RB, Louisville (History of injuries...but the upside on Bush is off the scales

30. Indianapolis Colts- Prescott Burgess, OLB Michigan (Indy is ranked 32 in run defense..Burgess can blitz and lock on to a RB)

31. Philadelphia Eagles-H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh (May go OL with Howard getting older..but blades is a serious talent)

32. San Diego Chargers - Jeff Samardzija, WR Notre Dame (will go higher with a good combine...has the size and the hands that teams are looking for)

updated after the bowl games....

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-24-2007, 05:10 AM
My last Mock Draft before Saturday.(Updated on April 24)

1. Oakland Raiders - QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Detroit) - WR Calvin Johnson
3. Cleveland Browns - QB Brady Quinn
4. Detroit Lions (from Tampa ) - DE Gaines Adams
5. Arizona Cardinals - OT Joe Thomas
6. Washington Redskins - FS LaRon Landry
7. Minnesota Vikings - HB Adrian Peterson
8. Atlanta Falcons - DE Jamaal Anderson
9. Miami Dolphins - OT Levi Brown
10. Houston Texans (from Atlanta) - WR Tedd Ginn Jr.
11. San Francisco 49'ers - DT Amobi Okoye
12. Buffalo Bills - ILB Patrick Willis
13. St. Louis Rams - DT Alan Branch
14. Carolina Panthers - DE Adam Carricker
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - CB Darrelle Revis
16. New Orleans Saints (from Green Bay) CB Leon Hall
17.Jacksonville Jaguars - FS Reggie Nelson
18. Cincinnati Bengals - TE Greg Olsen
19. Tennessee Titans - CB Aaron Ross
20. New York Giants - OT Joe Staley
21. Denver Broncos - DE Anthony Spencer
22. Dallas Cowboys -S Michael Griffin
23. Kansas City Chiefs - DT Justin Harrell
24. New England Patriots (from Seattle) - CB Chris Houston
25. New York Jets - HB Marshawn Lynch
26. Philadelphia Eagles - WR Dwayne Bowe
27. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans)-WR Robert Meachum
28. New England Patriots - ILB David Harris
29. Baltimore Ravens - OLB Lawrence Timmons
30. San Diego Chargers - ILB Paul Posluszny
31. Chicago Bears - OLB Jon Beason
32. Indianapolis Colts - WR Anthony Gonzalez

Crushzilla
04-24-2007, 07:02 AM
It is crazy to see how much has changed in the past few months... (Dwayne who?)...

After all the combines, 3 months of idle time, and player visits, a lot changes....

I just don't see the Steelers taking Revis... I've seen that on a few mocks and I really think they are gonna hold true to a DE/OLB... Although I see here that the teams right before the Steelers took quite afew drospects at that position... In that case...

The addition of Revis would solidify our secondary in the next few years... Imagine, Troy and Smith at Safety, Revis and Ike (or McFadden) at Corner... that would be a force for years to come...

Actually... now that you mention it...

Revis doesn't seem like a bad pick :-)

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-24-2007, 12:40 PM
It is crazy to see how much has changed in the past few months... (Dwayne who?)...

After all the combines, 3 months of idle time, and player visits, a lot changes....

I just don't see the Steelers taking Revis... I've seen that on a few mocks and I really think they are gonna hold true to a DE/OLB... Although I see here that the teams right before the Steelers took quite afew drospects at that position... In that case...

The addition of Revis would solidify our secondary in the next few years... Imagine, Troy and Smith at Safety, Revis and Ike (or McFadden) at Corner... that would be a force for years to come...

Actually... now that you mention it...

Revis doesn't seem like a bad pick :-)

HEY...one convert!!!!...several millions to go!!!