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paw-n-maul-u
12-15-2006, 03:24 AM
... that the Steelers are only 1 of 2 teams in the entire league to be ranked in the top 10 in both offense and defense (6th and 9th, respectively, for the steelers) ... the other team you might ask??? ... the one that most people feel to be the best in the league, the sandiego chargers (ranked 5th and 7th in offense and defense) ... just thought that was pretty interesting.

touchdownward
12-15-2006, 08:01 AM
Turnovers kill.
:banging:

Infamix
12-15-2006, 09:27 AM
That's a really good stat actually...put that next to our turnover ratio and it is the reason for our losing record.

tony hipchest
12-15-2006, 10:06 AM
i agree about the turnovers. our o and d rankings would suggest we are a top 5 team.

our turnover margin is just above oakland, cleveland, detroit (who have the 3 worst records in the league). this would suggest were a bottom 5 team.

put them together and you get exactly where we are at. a run of the mill, middle of the pack, average team. the turnovers do kill.

Atlanta Dan
12-15-2006, 10:21 AM
In responding to that stat today, Ed.B. of the P-G made a good point - leaving aside the need to account for turnover margin in any measurement, if you added in special teams return yardage to both sets of stats, adding Steelers return yardage to the offensive yardage stats and opponents' return yardage to the defensive yardage stats would probably cause the Steelers yardage rankings to drop like a rock this year.

coachspeak33
12-15-2006, 10:23 AM
agreed tony.... i highly doubt or guys just all of the sudden forgot how to or the importance of holding on to the ball....

maybe a lack of preperation perhaps.....

Or a lack of focus..... just maybe

Or a lack of concentration on the task at hand.....

Distracted is a good word to describe a talented football team like this surrounded by the likes of cleveland, detroit, arizona, etc. on the turnover ratio rankings.

But in case you were wondering a recent headline in the PG was..... Cowher's future not open subject.

Good work bill

coachspeak33
12-15-2006, 10:26 AM
Met this old guy the other day.... nice man.... steelers fan.... offered this piece of wisdom on Coach Cowher

he didnt cause em to drop em... but he aint helping em hold on to it.... whats he care what the newspaper writers think???.... lie to em if you have to.... i am sure it wouldnt be the first or the last.

I though he made quite a bit of sense

skidboot
12-15-2006, 10:43 AM
Lose the Turnover battle....
Lose the Game.



Simple.

tony hipchest
12-15-2006, 10:52 AM
agreed tony.... i highly doubt or guys just all of the sudden forgot how to or the importance of holding on to the ball....

maybe a lack of preperation perhaps.....

Or a lack of focus..... just maybe

Or a lack of concentration on the task at hand.....

Distracted is a good word to describe a talented football team like this surrounded by the likes of cleveland, detroit, arizona, etc. on the turnover ratio rankings.

But in case you were wondering a recent headline in the PG was..... Cowher's future not open subject.

Good work billmaybe the guys never knew the importance of holding onto the ball...

why hasnt cowher taken the heat for the exact same thing happening last year?

sure we all can think of atleast 4 games the steelers gave away this season but why wasnt cowher blamed for the 4 we gave away last season?

randle el hands the ball to the pats.

t. maddox hands the ball to the jags.

hines ward kicks the ball up to the ravens.

ben throws 3 int's to the bungles and ST allows a 90 kick return.

(not to mention the game where willie had 2 fumbles and was promptly yanked)

no one even suggested cowher was mailing it in last year and they were coming off a 15-1 season.

Atlanta Dan
12-15-2006, 11:33 AM
T.H. - I recall Cowher taking a huge amount of heat for not yanking Maddox from the Jags game after Maddox was horrible from the first possession.

But the obvious short answer as to why Cowher was not taking heat last year is that they were in playoff contention throughout last year and were 2-6 the first half of this year, a record completely inexcusable for a team with this amount of talent.

The longer answer is: 1) there was no discussion of whether Cowher was leaving last season - it is a legitimate point of discussion & clear potential distraction, regardless of whether it supposedly only may be discussed if Cowher brings it up; 2) turnovers happen every season, but the comnbination of a negative turnover ratio this season (as opposed to previous years) and Cowher saying stupid penalties "would not happen again" after the Bengals game, followed by the taunting penalty in the Atlanta game plus the back to back penalties on Foote & Porter to start the second half of a Raider game that was the worst loss of the season indicates that, for whatever reason, this team is not as disciplined as previous years.

The players need to keep their heads inthe game, but it is the coach's job to emphasize the point.

It is a different Cowher this year - if anyone else caught the 90 minute Greatest Games Ever Played on ESPN2 the other night of the 1995 Colts-Steelers AFC Championship Game and saw the sideline shots of what has to be described as sheer joy on Cowher's face as he coached that game, as contrasted with his demeanor this year, something has changed, and not for the better. It is more than acting differently in your late 30s than your late 40s

Ben's injuries were a big a part of this season but Ben missed 4 games in 2005 - other factors for this season's problems exist and Cowher's job status is a proper point to be considered.

klick81
12-15-2006, 11:50 AM
Turnovers kill.
:banging:

It hurts to read this whole thread :shake01:.

What a waste.

tony hipchest
12-15-2006, 11:53 AM
T.H. - I recall Cowher taking a huge amount of heat for not yanking Maddox from the Jags game after Maddox was horrible from the first possession.

But the obvious short answer as to why Cowher was not taking heat last year is that they were in playoff contention throughout last year and were 2-6 the first half of this year, a record completely inexcusable for a team with this amount of talent.

The longer answer is: 1) there was no discussion of whether Cowher was leaving last season - it is a legitimate point of discussion & clear potential distraction, regardless of whether it supposedly only may be discussed if Cowher brings it up; 2) turnovers happen every season, but the comnbination of a negative turnover ratio this season (as opposed to previous years) and Cowher saying stupid penalties "would not happen again" after the Bengals game, followed by the taunting penalty in the Atlanta game plus the back to back penalties on Foote & Porter to start the second half of a Raider game that was the worst loss of the season indicates that, for whatever reason, this team is not as disciplined as previous years.

The players need to keep their heads inthe game, but it is the coach's job to emphasize the point.

It is a different Cowher this year - if anyone else caught the 90 minute Greatest Games Ever Played on ESPN2 the other night of the 1995 Colts-Steelers AFC Championship Game and saw the sideline shots of what has to be described as sheer joy on Cowher's face as he coached that game, as contrasted with his demeanor this year, something has changed, and not for the better. It is more than acting differently in your late 30s than your late 40s

Ben's injuries were a big a part of this season but Ben missed 4 games in 2005 - other factors for this season's problems exist and Cowher's job status is a proper point to be considered.great post dan. winning the SB was a huge deoderant to the stink if we lost 1 more game last year and missed the playoffs coming off a 15-1 season. i did catch that on espnII. very scary to think if the ref werent in the perfect spot the wrong team goes to the sb. (and i did notice again, the elation on cowhers face).