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BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-24-2006, 04:39 PM
Now that our season is over: this is what I feel about our players

OFFENSE:
Big Ben: off season problems or "sophmore slump" in 3rd year? Next seson will tell if he is our QB of the future.
Fast Willie: proved himself again this year
Davenport: not our answer as powerback
Kreider: Still a work horse
Miller: could be great
Ward: awesome
Holmes: will become a great receiver
Wilson: good bye
washington: # 4 receiver behind REID next year
Smith: Not very impressive this year
Fenaca:His name got him into the pro bowl
Hartings: should retire
Simmons: I hope Kemo wil replace him..
Starks: ? needs to prove himself in the off-season

Defense:
Smith: In my opinion...one of the best in the league
Hampton:When was the last time he made a big play?
Hoke: Needs to be replaced my a rookie
Keisel: Proved himself this year
Porter: Will he be a steeler next year?
Farrior: still playing good
Foote: may be starter next year
Haggens: best of our line backers?
Townsend: #3 cornerback next year
McFadden: promissing young CB
Taylor: I believe he will bounce back next year
coulcough: worthless
smith: Starting safter next year....Like what i see
Troy: Best in his position
Reid needs a better year
Gardocki: still no blocked punts......but they do not travel as far....we need a replacement....


We will have a high draft pick this year....We should trade it away for more draft pick to bring in more young talent......OR...Draft either a DT or Cornerback with our first pick

Steelers will be back next year:tt02:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-24-2006, 04:59 PM
who should go......who should lose their starting job?

SteelCityMan786
12-24-2006, 05:03 PM
We'll be back for sure BBFW. We'll know next week when it's over.

NV STEELERS 723
12-24-2006, 05:18 PM
Ben is our QB of the future...case closed... yes other players you brought up might not be there in 07, and I trust the front office can make those choices in the best interest of the future...

But #7 is our QB...period

SteelCzar76
12-24-2006, 05:19 PM
Now that our season is over: this is what I feel about our players

OFFENSE:
Big Ben: off season problems or "sophmore slump" in 3rd year? Next seson will tell if he is our QB of the future.
Fast Willie: proved himself again this year
Davenport: not our answer as powerback
Kreider: Still a work horse
Miller: could be great
Ward: awesome
Holmes: will become a great receiver
Wilson: good bye
washington: # 4 receiver behind REID next year
Smith: Not very impressive this year
Fenaca:His name got him into the pro bowl
Hartings: should retire
Simmons: I hope Kemo wil replace him..
Starks: ? needs to prove himself in the off-season

Defense:
Smith: In my opinion...one of the best in the league
Hampton:When was the last time he made a big play?
Hoke: Needs to be replaced my a rookie
Keisel: Proved himself this year
Porter: Will he be a steeler next year?
Farrior: still playing good
Foote: may be starter next year
Haggens: best of our line backers?
Townsend: #3 cornerback next year
McFadden: promissing young CB
Taylor: I believe he will bounce back next year
coulcough: worthless
smith: Starting safter next year....Like what i see
Troy: Best in his position
Reid needs a better year
Gardocki: still no blocked punts......but they do not travel as far....we need a replacement....


We will have a high draft pick this year....We should trade it away for more draft pick to bring in more young talent......OR...Draft either a DT or Cornerback with our first pick

Steelers will be back next year:tt02:



Pretty much agree with your entire post Fam. As far as the Draft,... i want to say Corner in the first. But i just don't think any of this year's crop warrant a pick as high as we'll have.
The best DB is a Free Safety,....Laron Landry. And though i like Ant (Smith),.....i'd still pull the trigger on a talent like Landry. (That is unless of course the Organization has the courage and or vision to Draft Qb Troy Smith )
We need help on the O-line. But there's more than enough depth there to land a quality player later in the draft. (I just don't feel a team should get their "Robert Gallery" on early in the 1st round)



"Hail Caesar,.....HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

SteelCityMan786
12-24-2006, 05:19 PM
Ben is our QB of the future...case closed... yes other players you brought up might not be there in 07, and I trust the front office can make those choices in the best interest of the future...

But #7 is our QB...period

Without a doubt. Big Ben is coming into his prime. just give it some time.

BigDuke6
12-24-2006, 05:20 PM
Offense
Simmons has to go. Just doesnt have it.
Hartings has to retire. Too old and slow now.
Starks must rebound or let go.
Wilson - gone. Never showed anything even last year.
Defense
Porter will leave after contract not re-nego'd - he'll end up in Denver or New York
Clark - will play STs for a year then gone. He's lost his starting pos through tentativeness and inability to make a play.
Gardocki - gone. Watch Cincy block one in his last pro game.
Must draft - LB, WR, OL, DB

X-Terminator
12-24-2006, 05:21 PM
The way I see it, our biggest needs are:

OL. Very inconsistent and to be honest, until the SB run last season they weren't all that impressive. We need to find someone who can play RT - hopefully Starks will improve as it is just his 3rd season, but his performance this season has not been good at all. We also need to address the C and G positions, as Faneca is getting up there in age, Hartings is done and Simmons hasn't returned to his form from 3 years ago.

CB. Obviously Ike Taylor's re-signing was a bit premature. He was thoroughly exposed this season and his play last season, IMO, was a product of the system. He will get another chance to prove himself - his contract pretty much guarantees that - but I don't have much confidence in him and obviously the coaching staff doesn't either.

LB. No depth whatsoever there, and if Porter leaves, it's even worse.

RB. Parker has more than proven that he is an elite RB in this league, but he needs a viable running mate. Verron Haynes will have a chance to be that guy when he returns from his injury, but we need insurance in case it doesn't pan out.

P. Chris Gardocki has done nothing to prove that he deserves the job next season. Today's performance pretty much sealed his fate.

WR. After Hines and Santonio, there's no one there who scares anybody. A nice deep threat and/or tall WR would be nice. Cedric Wilson has played himself right out of town, and Nate Washington has been too inconsistent.

That's my take.

tony hipchest
12-24-2006, 05:22 PM
i stopped reading once i got to the comments on hampton and hoke. one of our deepest and most reliable positions on the field

BigDuke6
12-24-2006, 05:24 PM
i stopped reading once i got to the comments on hampton and hoke. one of our deepest and most reliable positions on the field

Ageed - Hampton is the key to our D. He is quite easily the best NT/DT in the game today. If you disagree, bring it on !!!! Hoke, too, stepped in and stepped up when Casey went down in 2004.

CrimsonSteeler3443
12-24-2006, 05:31 PM
Hampton is great. Him and Jamal Williams are in the top 3.

SteelCzar76
12-24-2006, 05:41 PM
i stopped reading once i got to the comments on hampton and hoke. one of our deepest and most reliable positions on the field



Very good call Tone. I still think Hamp is one of the best in the League at his position. I have no doubt he'll bounce back next season.



"Hail Caesar,......HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

skidboot
12-24-2006, 05:41 PM
Ageed - Hampton is the key to our D. He is quite easily the best NT/DT in the game today. If you disagree, bring it on !!!! Hoke, too, stepped in and stepped up when Casey went down in 2004.



I think Hampton is a HELLUVA player but I think that J.Williams AND V.Wilfork had better years.

iloveben7
12-24-2006, 06:42 PM
Ben is our QB of the future...case closed... yes other players you brought up might not be there in 07, and I trust the front office can make those choices in the best interest of the future...

But #7 is our QB...period
I couldn't agree with you more!! BEN will be our QB for many many years to come!! So what he had an off season-but look at all he's had to overcome and he still kept playing like a fighter!! I don't care what anyone says-Ben is one of THE BEST QB in the league!!

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-24-2006, 07:08 PM
Just to make some points understood....

I too think that Ben is going to be the QB of the future.....Im just stating the obvious that he is having a bad year....

And for Hampton...I think he is one of the best too......and will be a starter for a few more years.......However.....I would like a younger player drafted to back him up....or to play next to him when necessary

tony hipchest
12-24-2006, 07:12 PM
Just to make some points understood....

I too think that Ben is going to be the QB of the future.....Im just stating the obvious that he is having a bad year....

And for Hampton...I think he is one of the best too......and will be a starter for a few more years.......However.....I would like a younger player drafted to back him up....or to play next to him when necessarythen hoke is your man. no one drafted will have a bigger impact than he can in the steelers defense. he has NEVER proved to be a weaker link. he would be a starter on about 25 other teams. we made the right choise in locking him down for the longterm. his replacement shouldnt be drafted because he will probably not even make the team.

Stillers#1
12-24-2006, 07:20 PM
i stopped reading once i got to the comments on hampton and hoke. one of our deepest and most reliable positions on the field

I'll third that, how often does any DT make a "big play". I'll point to the Super Bowl for Hampton, and Hoke is just flat out consistent.

Stillers#1
12-24-2006, 07:22 PM
I couldn't agree with you more!! BEN will be our QB for many many years to come!! So what he had an off season-but look at all he's had to overcome and he still kept playing like a fighter!! I don't care what anyone says-Ben is one of THE BEST QB in the league!!

He has another "off-season" and I will be ready to call him Bubby. I was never too high on Ben to begin with, but I have stuck by him. He is making it harder to do that anymore.

Paul Pyrch
12-24-2006, 07:44 PM
[B]Miller---They need to throw to him more. Catches almost everything
thrown to him.
Davenport---not the answer. Certainly is no Bus! There's a reason
why Green Bay let him go.
Wilson---He's gone. Just can't seem to do it.
Starks---Must improve greatly. Was beaten too many times.
Keisel---Outstanding year. Great job!
Porter---Needs to control his mouth and make the plays.
Gardocki---Punts are getting shorter and shorter. He's gone too.B]

X-Terminator
12-24-2006, 07:49 PM
I believe Ben will bounce back and have a good year. I think the fans here are being too hard on him, quite frankly, because while he obviously has had a ton of success early in his career, he is still just a young QB and is finishing his 3rd season. Philip Rivers is in his 3rd season and this is his first year as a starter. Carson Palmer didn't hit his stride until last season, which was also his 3rd season, and it looks as if J.P. Losman is starting to turn the corner in his 3rd season. All three of those guys also are or were OLDER during those seasons than Ben is now. So it is WAY too early to start calling him a bust or getting down on him after one bad year.

MJ5150
12-24-2006, 08:01 PM
I hope you guys are right about Ben.

Rebuilding an offensive line is going to take time. I hope youn'z are ready for that. I realize there are a few young guys waiting to play, but continuity is the name of the game for offensive line productivity. You throw a couple new starters in there, be ready for more 30-50 yard games from Willie.

-Mike

Paul Pyrch
12-24-2006, 08:06 PM
[SIZE="5"]Does anyone know how Colon did today? I just have the feeling that in time, he will be a good one.:smile:

Paul Pyrch
12-24-2006, 08:10 PM
I hope you guys are right about Ben.

Rebuilding an offensive line is going to take time. I hope youn'z are ready for that. I realize there are a few young guys waiting to play, but continuity is the name of the game for offensive line productivity. You throw a couple new starters in there, be ready for more 30-50 yard games from Willie.

-Mike

Whatever needs to be done, must be done because our present OL just isn't getting the job done, expecially against decent teams!

OneForTheToe
12-24-2006, 08:28 PM
I hope you guys are right about Ben.

Rebuilding an offensive line is going to take time. I hope youn'z are ready for that. I realize there are a few young guys waiting to play, but continuity is the name of the game for offensive line productivity. You throw a couple new starters in there, be ready for more 30-50 yard games from Willie.

-Mike

I'm not sure I agree with that. We had three younger O' lineman get some playing time this year. I thought Chuckie, Chris and Willie played pretty well when given the opportunity.

While I agree it may take time for a new line to completely gel, I think those three are actually better run blockers than the starters. Even if the Steelers pass blocking remains a bit suspect to start the year, if we can at least open some holes for the running game, the play action will do a lot to help Ben. Also, O' lineman might be place the Steelers start looking at free agents. hopefully Faneca and Smith will rebound as well.

lotas
12-24-2006, 08:39 PM
All I'm gonna say is in the past 10years or so I feel like we have always had shitty cornerbacks. I was watching San Diego today and I saw McCardell and I was remembering to the days of McCardell and Smith + Mark Brunell ... which used to be a pretty dangerous combo...that along with Carl Pickens in Cinci (god I hated him!)

The only guy I can remember that was a playmaker that I really liked was Carnell Lake. Townsend has been there forever, and while he's solid, he's not really a playmaker. I was hoping Ike would become one, cause he seems like the hot young kid who could be a playmaker but I don't see it happening. A lot of times in games quarterbacks just tear us apart. Baltimore, for example. My memory feels like its rare to see a back run all over us, it's happened, but rare, but the passing defense has always struggled, and while its been decent at times its never been strong.

Then again, that can be traced back to the play of the D-line and linebackers as far as pressure goes....so who knows.


Also I'd like to give a shout-out to Harrison, that guy was a solid special teams player and I'd like to see him get a shot at LB (never seen him player LB dunno how skilled he is)

Great posts guys, and I won't see ya next year, I'll see ya next sunday.

MJ5150
12-24-2006, 08:57 PM
While I agree it may take time for a new line to completely gel, I think those three are actually better run blockers than the starters.

I don't doubt the quality of the young guys one bit. I like them all. One of the keys to the Steeler OL has been the continuity, along with the excellent athletes at each position.

I can point to Seattle as an example of what I mean. When they lost Steve Hutchinson, the Seahawks were piecing their line together all season. Sometimes because of injury, and other times trying to find the right combination on the line. It showed on the field.

OTOH, the example in Minnesota proves me wrong, Hutch stepped in, and the line became really, really good. The only reply to that would be none of the young guys in Pittsburgh are close to Hutchinson at this point in their career.

Wow, am I a dork or what? Here I am arguing with myself. :dang:

-Mike

Stlrs4Life
12-24-2006, 11:03 PM
who should go......who should lose their starting job?


Gardocki
Porter, will want too much money anyway
Hartings will retire, his knees will not get better
Wilson

DACEB
12-24-2006, 11:22 PM
Ageed - Hampton is the key to our D. He is quite easily the best NT/DT in the game today. If you disagree, bring it on !!!! Hoke, too, stepped in and stepped up when Casey went down in 2004.

Hampton is a beast, nose tackle isn't about notariety it's about taking up space and occupying people for the other guys to make plays. You will only here about them when they are'nt doing their job. Smith is totally underrated. Keisel has played well, but I liked him alot more when he came in to spell on 3rd down.