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Stillers#1
01-02-2007, 10:48 AM
Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

BS!

Mosca
01-02-2007, 11:11 AM
Sinatra was supposedly another one. Same with Chuck Berry. And John Lennon confessed in song ("I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her away from the things that she loved...").

There's lots of them. If you insist that your art be free from contamination that's cool, but remember to apply consistency.


Tom

Stillers#1
01-02-2007, 11:14 AM
I don't think I have made a thread praising any of those guys and then said to be fair b/c they contributed so much to music.

Mosca
01-02-2007, 11:42 AM
Nope, you didn't, and I didn't mean to do anything other than highlight the conundrum raised when you apply that standard; it can be hard to decide who to like and who not to like based on how they conduct their personal life, knowing only what is reported or what is public record.

And I meant no judgement on that decision. It's as good a way to judge someone as any other. But it would be difficult to apply consistency.


Tom

MACH1
01-02-2007, 12:03 PM
Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

BS!

Might want to include Michale Jackasson in there too. Even thou his still alive.

sumo
01-02-2007, 12:37 PM
Yep - it always happens when somebody dies -- the media goes to work making them bigger in death then they were in life -- I have always wondered why we can't just admire their talents and nothing else - don't strain to talk about what great people they were - just talk about the music, the athletic ability, etc and then stop!! - Derek Thomas of the Chiefs was another example of this - here was a guy with 8 kids from 7 different women - when he died he had nothing - nada set aside for any of his kids - but yet he had several closets full of expensive designer shoes and clothing and he was highly disrespectful towards women - especially the mothers of his children -- but there was the media talking and straining about what a great guy he was -- shut up!!! - just say he was a good pass rusher and leave it at that - and move on....

sumo
01-02-2007, 01:29 PM
Sinatra was supposedly another one. Same with Chuck Berry. And John Lennon confessed in song ("I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her away from the things that she loved...").

There's lots of them. If you insist that your art be free from contamination that's cool, but remember to apply consistency.


Tom

I never knew this about John Lennon --- hard to believe he could beat up anything - I'm surprised the woman he was referring to in the song didn't kick his a** - wife beaters are always punks - they will go out of their way ot make sure they never have a confrontation with another man - because - you know that's too risky - but they always go looking for fights with women....

X-Terminator
01-02-2007, 11:09 PM
Here now we can say why we didn't like him.

My reason, he was a woman beater. I don't care how much he contributed to the music industry. Pretty much everyone is saying that if you beat women and you don't contribute to society you're a bad person, but since he was a great musician, he gets a free pass.

BS!

I fail to see how paying respects to James Brown and remembering his contributions to the music industry is giving him a "free pass." Should we just forget about that altogether? I don't think that's fair or right. Gerald Ford just passed away - should we only remember his pardon of Nixon? When Nixon himself passed away, people still paid their respects and found positive things to say about him - should we have only focused on the Watergate scandal? How about Derrick Thomas and John Lennon and JFK or Bill Clinton for that matter - should people not remember the good that they did just because of their conduct in their personal lives? Was James Brown a perfect person? Obviously, he was not...but neither are you, me or anyone else.

Stillers#1
01-03-2007, 08:52 AM
I could personally give a shit less what he did for music, if he hadn't done it, someone else would have. Yea, I know I am not perfect, but James Brown will always be a wife-beater in my book.

Mosca
01-03-2007, 09:09 AM
I never knew this about John Lennon --- hard to believe he could beat up anything - I'm surprised the woman he was referring to in the song didn't kick his a** - wife beaters are always punks - they will go out of their way ot make sure they never have a confrontation with another man - because - you know that's too risky - but they always go looking for fights with women....


It was pretty well known about Lennon at the time. He credited Yoko Ono with changing his personality, making him a better man. Whatever she did to break up The Beatles, she was good for Lennon; getting him off heroin and teaching him benevolence.

Look at this lyric he wrote...

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

tony hipchest
01-03-2007, 09:25 AM
It was pretty well known about Lennon at the time. He credited Yoko Ono with changing his personality, making him a better man. Whatever she did to break up The Beatles, she was good for Lennon; getting him off heroin and teaching him benevolence.

Look at this lyric he wrote...

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl


hmmmm. its oj simpsons theme song.

sumo
01-03-2007, 12:14 PM
I fail to see how paying respects to James Brown and remembering his contributions to the music industry is giving him a "free pass." Should we just forget about that altogether? I don't think that's fair or right. Gerald Ford just passed away - should we only remember his pardon of Nixon? When Nixon himself passed away, people still paid their respects and found positive things to say about him - should we have only focused on the Watergate scandal? How about Derrick Thomas and John Lennon and JFK or Bill Clinton for that matter - should people not remember the good that they did just because of their conduct in their personal lives? Was James Brown a perfect person? Obviously, he was not...but neither are you, me or anyone else.

I agree with you - we should be respectful - but why strain to say what a great person somebody is? You can say JB was an incredible musician and then stop - I watched a tribute to him the other night and the guy was amazing on stage - but don't strain to make him out to be some wonderful person when his personal life is a train wreck - Derrick Thomas was a poor excuse of a human being also - I just don't like the message it sends ... talk about how he was a great pass rusher and stop - a business associate of mine was close to one of Thomas's seven mothers of his kids - that's why I mentioned him in one of my previous posts - what they were saying in the media did not match at all - the guy was a pathetic loser with the way he treated his kids especially...you're right - nobody's perfect, but we shouldn't be dishonest and make them bigger in death then they were in life...

sumo
01-03-2007, 12:32 PM
It was pretty well known about Lennon at the time. He credited Yoko Ono with changing his personality, making him a better man. Whatever she did to break up The Beatles, she was good for Lennon; getting him off heroin and teaching him benevolence.

Look at this lyric he wrote...

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

What a freakin psycho! - he didn't want to give peace a chance when it came to his realtionships with women I guess...

Mosca
01-03-2007, 01:59 PM
What a freakin psycho! - he didn't want to give peace a chance when it came to his realtionships with women I guess...


Yeah, but at least he recognized it in himself, was disgusted by it and with the help of Yoko Ono (he always gave her credit, so I will too) he changed.

I have trouble liking Sinatra because of what I know about him. I can't hear his voice without thinking about the cruelty of the man behind it.


Tom

sumo
01-03-2007, 02:42 PM
Yeah, but at least he recognized it in himself, was disgusted by it and with the help of Yoko Ono (he always gave her credit, so I will too) he changed.

I have trouble liking Sinatra because of what I know about him. I can't hear his voice without thinking about the cruelty of the man behind it.


Tom

Dude - I love the Chairman of the Board - in fact I will be singing 'Fly Me to the Moon' at karoake tonight - and I used to love John Lennon until you shared those wonderful lyrics he wrote -- what do you know about Sinatra? - I've heard all the stuff about his mob ties - is this what you are referring to? -

Mosca
01-03-2007, 04:57 PM
Dude - I love the Chairman of the Board - in fact I will be singing 'Fly Me to the Moon' at karoake tonight - and I used to love John Lennon until you shared those wonderful lyrics he wrote -- what do you know about Sinatra? - I've heard all the stuff about his mob ties - is this what you are referring to? -

He had a personal cruel streak, according to Dominick Dunne. In his book The Way We Lived Then: Confessions of a Well-Known Name Dropper, he relates a story where Sinatra paid the maitre 'd of a restaurant $50 to punch Dunne in the face as he sat for dinner. Dunne says the real cruelty wasn't in the punch; it was that he employed a flunky to do it, a man who was not in a position to refuse and who was friendly and familiar with Dunne; it was the humiliation of the man that was the message Sinatra sent along with the blow.

Here is an excerpt from a transcript of an interview with Bob Costas.

DUNNE: Sinatra for some reason never liked me. I had stage managed him in "Our Town" the musical version of "Our Town" with Sammy Cahn and Jimmy Van Heusen music. And Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint were -- it was incredible.

And I don't know if it start there'd or what, but it was the first time I ever saw a star really behaving badly. And anyway, so it always -- and the years passed. And it was never nice. So I was in a nightclub called the Daisy. And a waiter tapped me on the shoulder. He was somebody I knew very well.

And he said -- I looked up at him like this. And he said, oh, I'm terribly sorry Mr. Dunne, Mr. Sinatra made me do this. And he hauled off and hit me, punched me. And it was awful.

And I could look over and there's Frank sitting at the next table like with pleasure in his eyes. And he's sitting with Nancy, his daughter, and Tina, his daughter both of whom I knew and with Mia Farrow whom he was then engaged to. I knew them all. It was this awful experience.

COSTAS: We have about 15 seconds. As you told the story, he paid the guy $50. The guy could be bought off that cheaply? He was Frank Sinatra, but you were a regular customer, too.

DUNNE: Fifty bucks was a lot of money in the '60s. That's when it happened. And he was a good guy. He was a phrased (ph) Italian. And he was afraid not to. And he cried afterwards. He followed me out to the car. He cried, this poor guy. But he was afraid not to do what Frank told him.

clevestinks
01-03-2007, 06:31 PM
JB is not my idea of a American icon, always on drugs, in jail etc. And that hairdo, and pants he was wearing in the 50 to 60, ??????????????????? he is straight?

floodcitygirl
01-04-2007, 08:24 AM
??????????????????? he is straight?Apparently so. I believe he left a 6 or 7 year old son.

HometownGal
01-04-2007, 08:38 AM
Apparently so. I believe he left a 6 or 7 year old son.

That he did. He also left a common law wife by the name of Tomi Rae. Being married doesn't mean that a person isn't gay or bisexual, though. I believe Tomi Rae was his 5th wife.

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1236736/article_images/headline_1167148966.jpg

clevestinks
01-04-2007, 05:06 PM
I dont care if he were straight or not, he just looked NOT!