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Infamix
01-17-2007, 07:12 AM
Look...I am not saying that Tomlin and Rivera are not legit candidates, they most definitely are. But it seems like the Rooneys know all along that they will hire Grimm, and are elaborating the process and extending the interviews with Tomlin and Rivera to give them chances elsewhere as a headcoach in the NFL. Also to show that they take this rule very seriously. I probably am way off because the Rooneys always take a long time to pick their HC...just a thought though.

WWIIOwheelz
01-17-2007, 08:38 AM
Honestly, I don't think that at all.

On one hand, I see how Russ would be an ideal candidate who brings a wealth of experience, football knowledge, local appeal, and commands respect already from his players. There's no question he would make a great coach for the Steelers.

On the other hand, how long would he have his edge? Close to 50 starting out as a head coach seems to be against the trend of teams building programs around energetic young coaches. As has been said many times, the Steelers were one of the first to do just that with Cowher all those years ago.

Like the Rooneys said, all 3 of the finalists are worthy of the job. I'm particularly impressed with Tomlin, think he will make a great coach wherever he goes.

Big D
01-17-2007, 08:39 AM
Look...I am not saying that Tomlin and Rivera are not legit candidates, they most definitely are. But it seems like the Rooneys know all along that they will hire Grimm, and are elaborating the process and extending the interviews with Tomlin and Rivera to give them chances elsewhere as a headcoach in the NFL. Also to show that they take this rule very seriously. I probably am way off because the Rooneys always take a long time to pick their HC...just a thought though.

I have to disagree. I dont think rivera or tomlin would have been brought in for a second interview if this was the case.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-17-2007, 08:44 AM
Honestly, I don't think that at all.

On one hand, I see how Russ would be an ideal candidate who brings a wealth of experience, football knowledge, local appeal, and commands respect already from his players. There's no question he would make a great coach for the Steelers.

On the other hand, how long would he have his edge? Close to 50 starting out as a head coach seems to be against the trend of teams building programs around energetic young coaches. As has been said many times, the Steelers were one of the first to do just that with Cowher all those years ago.

Like the Rooneys said, all 3 of the finalists are worthy of the job. I'm particularly impressed with Tomlin, think he will make a great coach wherever he goes.

I agree completely..I think grimm will get the job (mainly becuse of existing ties and knowledge of the system)..but I think Tomlin is the real deal!!!
Rivera is the crapshoot as fa as I am concerned...two seasons with EXTREMELY easy schedules have elevated his defenses numbers...so I am not sold on him yet.

Big D
01-17-2007, 08:51 AM
I agree completely..I think grimm will get the job (mainly becuse of existing ties and knowledge of the system)..but I think Tomlin is the real deal!!!
Rivera is the crapshoot as fa as I am concerned...two seasons with EXTREMELY easy schedules have elevated his defenses numbers...so I am not sold on him yet.

I think that this coaching search is very similar to the search that led the steelers to get cowher. I think they have a great canidate with grimm. But I think in the end it will be tomlin

Infamix
01-17-2007, 08:55 AM
You guys are right...especially about Tomlin he will be a great coach. I agree with LLT about Rivera though...he definitely had a cake schedule.

coachspeak33
01-17-2007, 09:25 AM
how can they go with Tomlin or Rivera???? They would have to totally revamp most of their defensive personnel and much of the existing 3-4 coaching staff....

Casey Hampton playing the DT in the 3-4 grades out high every game... Not sure how he would handle such a major scheme change.

Kiesel and Smith are above average DE in the 3-4.... I dont think they would have too much success as pass rushing ends.

The 4-3 relies heavily on the MLB.... Larry Foote is not built to play like Urlacher, Lewis, or Z Thomas..... but he is a highly effective 3-4 LB

Let me put it another way.... How can you do something that is going to cost you Dick Lebeau as your D coordinator?????

Get Grimm and lets focus on the financially driven personnel moves that must be made.

Wouldnt it be nice if those things were done before the draft?

rags1336
01-17-2007, 09:28 AM
The Rooney rule does not require a second interview. If the Rooneys really wanted Grimm as bad as the media makes it out to be they would have interviewed Tomlin one time and then hired Grimm the next day. The media is making it out like there is really only one choice, Grimm. But if you listen to what the Rooneys actually say then you will see that they are seriously considering all three.

rags1336
01-17-2007, 09:33 AM
how can they go with Tomlin or Rivera???? They would have to totally revamp most of their defensive personnel and much of the existing 3-4 coaching staff....

Casey Hampton playing the DT in the 3-4 grades out high every game... Not sure how he would handle such a major scheme change.

Kiesel and Smith are above average DE in the 3-4.... I dont think they would have too much success as pass rushing ends.

The 4-3 relies heavily on the MLB.... Larry Foote is not built to play like Urlacher, Lewis, or Z Thomas..... but he is a highly effective 3-4 LB

Let me put it another way.... How can you do something that is going to cost you Dick Lebeau as your D coordinator?????

Get Grimm and lets focus on the financially driven personnel moves that must be made.

Wouldnt it be nice if those things were done before the draft?


Did you see the Tomlin interview yesterday? He said he believes in being adaptable and playing to the players strengths, eventually he might switch totally to the 4-3 but there needs to be a transition period and I dont necessarily think he will get rid of Lebeau, the Rooney's like Lebeau and they will strongly suggest to whoever comes in that he stays. Other than your fear of change is there anything that you like about Grimm personally, or do you just like that he was a part of Cowher's staff and somehow it would seem like Cowher was still coaching the team?

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-17-2007, 09:36 AM
how can they go with Tomlin or Rivera???? They would have to totally revamp most of their defensive personnel and much of the existing 3-4 coaching staff....

Casey Hampton playing the DT in the 3-4 grades out high every game... Not sure how he would handle such a major scheme change.

Kiesel and Smith are above average DE in the 3-4.... I dont think they would have too much success as pass rushing ends.

The 4-3 relies heavily on the MLB.... Larry Foote is not built to play like Urlacher, Lewis, or Z Thomas..... but he is a highly effective 3-4 LB

Let me put it another way.... How can you do something that is going to cost you Dick Lebeau as your D coordinator?????

Get Grimm and lets focus on the financially driven personnel moves that must be made.

Wouldnt it be nice if those things were done before the draft?


Though it is a possibility...I think it is unlikely that a coach will come in and immediatly change the defensive scheme. If he is smart enough to be an NFL head coach..he is smart enough to see that he doesnt have the personnel to go 4-3 (and thereby shoot himself and his record in the foot)
Dick has said that he wants to stay and regardless of who gets the HC job..they will be blessed to have him as a Defensive coordinator...and again that would mean staying 3-4.

The FIRST thing any HC will do is start worrying about getting an Offensive Coordinator...and working our Offense into a new scheme...I cant see us having to change BOTh Offense and Defensive schemes

tony hipchest
01-17-2007, 09:47 AM
nice PC title to the thread. doh! :chuckle:. the rooney rule doesnt state you cant know who you are going to hire before you conduct interviews. if grimm has been groomed to be cowhers successor for the past 5 years, how could they NOT know? look at it like prince charles in england. once queen elizabeth dies, he will be king. his son is beeing groomed to replace him. everybody knows this will happen.

what the rooney rule does is gets tomlins foot in the door. the rooneys and richardson of the panthers are good colleagues. if fox is fired next year you can almost bet they will suggest to him that they put tomlin at the top of the list for an interview if he really did as well as reported. for a young guy, he is learning valuable skills about the process that will help him out further down the road. that is what the rooney rule is designed to do.

Elvis
01-17-2007, 10:12 AM
:wave: how can they go with Tomlin or Rivera???? They would have to totally revamp most of their defensive personnel and much of the existing 3-4 coaching staff....

Casey Hampton playing the DT in the 3-4 grades out high every game... Not sure how he would handle such a major scheme change.

Kiesel and Smith are above average DE in the 3-4.... I dont think they would have too much success as pass rushing ends.

The 4-3 relies heavily on the MLB.... Larry Foote is not built to play like Urlacher, Lewis, or Z Thomas..... but he is a highly effective 3-4 LB

Let me put it another way.... How can you do something that is going to cost you Dick Lebeau as your D coordinator?????

Get Grimm and lets focus on the financially driven personnel moves that must be made.

Wouldnt it be nice if those things were done before the draft?
Now, if we switch to a 4-3 defense I agree that there will be alot of change and I dont really think that those guys are really suited for the passrush specialist that we would need. And it will take time to build that kind of a defense up here in Pittsburgh. Now, is the organization willing to wait on that or would they say hey.. you have to stick with what we have right now for a few years until we can get the players that we need to switch? If we were gonna switch to that 4-3 defense then my pick of MLB Patrick Willis of Ole Miss makes more sense than ever.:coffee:

Steeldude
01-17-2007, 11:27 AM
the rule should be abolished.

Indy_Steelers
01-17-2007, 11:54 AM
Some candidates were interviewed beacause they were minorities and the NFL says you have to interview minorities. Even if the Rooney's knew 12 months ago that they wanted Grimm, they would still have to interview a minority. Remeber what happened to the Detroit Lions?

rags1336
01-17-2007, 12:59 PM
nice PC title to the thread. doh! :chuckle:. the rooney rule doesnt state you cant know who you are going to hire before you conduct interviews. if grimm has been groomed to be cowhers successor for the past 5 years, how could they NOT know? look at it like prince charles in england. once queen elizabeth dies, he will be king. his son is beeing groomed to replace him. everybody knows this will happen.

what the rooney rule does is gets tomlins foot in the door. the rooneys and richardson of the panthers are good colleagues. if fox is fired next year you can almost bet they will suggest to him that they put tomlin at the top of the list for an interview if he really did as well as reported. for a young guy, he is learning valuable skills about the process that will help him out further down the road. that is what the rooney rule is designed to do.


Grimm was not being groomed to be the next HC, the Rooneys stated time and time again that they wanted Cowher to stay for a long long time. Cowher made the decision to leave and there was not a successor waiting in the wings. If Cowher (the only one who knew of his plans to resign) was grooming Grimm on his own, then why did he endorse Chan Gailey instead? I said it before and I'll say it again Mike Tomlin is a legitimate candidate, maybe his skin color got him the first interview, but he got himself the second.

MommyDoc
01-17-2007, 07:23 PM
Honestly, I don't think that at all.

On one hand, I see how Russ would be an ideal candidate who brings a wealth of experience, football knowledge, local appeal, and commands respect already from his players. There's no question he would make a great coach for the Steelers.

On the other hand, how long would he have his edge? Close to 50 starting out as a head coach seems to be against the trend of teams building programs around energetic young coaches. As has been said many times, the Steelers were one of the first to do just that with Cowher all those years ago.

Like the Rooneys said, all 3 of the finalists are worthy of the job. I'm particularly impressed with Tomlin, think he will make a great coach wherever he goes.

If we had a couch he'd be sleeping on it tonight! LOL---MommyDoc, Wife of Wheelz :pissed: :pissed: