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Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 12:29 AM
Since it certainly appears to be Tomlin, who will be leaving? (Mods - I do not think this topic goes under the Cowher Successor thread but I am sure you will let me know if I am wrong:smile:)

Seems to me Tomlin's impact will initially be more on the defensive side.

If they are going to evolve to a 4-3 defense with Cover 2, I doubt LeBeau will hang around. As for Grimm, it is like any other business - when you are passed over for the head job you move on.

As for players, I think this increases the odds of Porter being turned loose prior to the 2007 season.

With regard to other players, Troy may figure what kept him in Pittsburgh was gettting to free lance in the 3-4. The Steelers presumably still want Troy after 2007, but I wonder if Troy still is as fond of the Steelers?

With regard to other high profile players, any thoughts on whether Casey Hampton's talents will be anywhere near as effective in a 4-3?

In 1992 it was new coaches for the same players - this change may be a lot more disruptive.

we ride
01-21-2007, 12:32 AM
You better read this mornings Trib, it states Grimm is signed,sealed and delivered!

Black@Gold Forever32
01-21-2007, 12:32 AM
For all we know Tomlin might be willing to work with LeBeau and learn the 3-4/blitzing scheme. If Tomlin wants to win right away this is what he will do. If not then there will be some tough years for the Steelers as they adjust to the new defense and add the right players over time.

rpv
01-21-2007, 12:34 AM
CONFUSING............................


http://pittsburghlive.com:8000/x/pittsburghtrib/preview/s_489602.html

aburdell
01-21-2007, 01:18 AM
DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW WHO THE COACH IS!!!???? I live in virginia and all i keep hearing is mike tomlin and i am not looking forward to switchin defenses, players leaving and coaches leaving. they better announce the coach tomorrow cuz i cant take this any longer.

fansince'76
01-21-2007, 01:19 AM
DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW WHO THE COACH IS!!!????

The Rooneys do.

meanjoecoop
01-21-2007, 01:22 AM
I just saw this over on the Cincinnati Enquirer's site: :hunch:

Steelers pick Lewis, source says

BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM
Sunday, January 21, 2007

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2005/09/08/inside2-2005-08-26-lewis.jpg

Marvin Lewis has been offered and has accepted the Steelers' head coaching position, a source in Pittsburgh confirmed late Saturday. Lewis, 48, succeeds Bill Cowher, who coached the Steelers for 15 seasons before resigning Jan. 5. The hiring of Lewis will be announced Monday at a news conference.

ESPN and SI.com, Sports Illustrated's Web site, reported yesterday that Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin had been chosen to replace Cowher. An NFL source confirmed yesterday that Tomlin had not heard from the Steelers and no contract negotiations had taken place.

holmes
01-21-2007, 01:23 AM
This is crazy, ESPN says Tomlin was hired tonight, and like we ride said, the Trib said Grimm was hired. Someone better get their story straight.
Here's ESPN's link.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2732197

meanjoecoop
01-21-2007, 01:38 AM
Everyone is getting in on this: :wink02:

Steelers pick Red Beaulieu, source says

BY VICKY VALENCORT | VVALENCORT@JACKSONBAYOU.COM
Sunday, January 21, 2007

http://www.garnersclassics.com/pics/water/bcoach.jpg

Red Beaulieu has been offered and has accepted the Steelers' head coaching position, a source in Pittsburgh confirmed late Saturday. Beaulieu, 58, succeeds Bill Cowher, who coached the Steelers for 15 seasons before resigning Jan. 5. The hiring of Lewis will be announced Monday at a news conference.

ESPN and SI.com, Sports Illustrated's Web site, reported yesterday that Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin had been chosen to replace Cowher. An NFL source confirmed yesterday that Tomlin had not heard from the Steelers and no contract negotiations had taken place.

fansince'76
01-21-2007, 01:40 AM
Everyone is getting in on this: :wink02:

Steelers pick Red Beaulieu, source says

BY VICKY VALENCORT | VVALENCORT@JACKSONBAYOU.COM
Sunday, January 21, 2007

http://www.garnersclassics.com/pics/water/bcoach.jpg

Red Beaulieu has been offered and has accepted the Steelers' head coaching position, a source in Pittsburgh confirmed late Saturday. Beaulieu, 58, succeeds Bill Cowher, who coached the Steelers for 15 seasons before resigning Jan. 5. The hiring of Lewis will be announced Monday at a news conference.

ESPN and SI.com, Sports Illustrated's Web site, reported yesterday that Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin had been chosen to replace Cowher. An NFL source confirmed yesterday that Tomlin had not heard from the Steelers and no contract negotiations had taken place.

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

tony hipchest
01-21-2007, 02:12 AM
For all we know Tomlin might be willing to work with LeBeau and learn the 3-4/blitzing scheme. If Tomlin wants to win right away this is what he will do. If not then there will be some tough years for the Steelers as they adjust to the new defense and add the right players over time. "might be willing"???
so you are saying that lebeau is gonna train and tutor his boss to learn a new system as the teacher earns less money? if thats the case, they might as well make lebeau the coach and tomlin the coordinator. keep in mind lebeau has won a superbowl as a coordinator, and been a head coach in the league. just on that alone, lebeau is more qualified than tomlin.

atl dan is right and you are right. if tomlin is hired, im not expecting playoff bids evey year. im looking at our next few seasons like i did when we were 2-6 this year. play for pride and provide some entertaining games (which the steelers did). if this is the direction we are gonna go, hines and porter need to be released and polamalu needs to be traded for draftpicks to begin rebuilding (after all, none of them did anything to prevent us from being 8-8 this season)

i think the steelers will want to attempt to keep ben. if he wants to be paid as a top 7-10 qb in the league he may consider offers from the browns though.

we will see if the rooneys are the ones making these decisions or the new coach. im kinda hoping its the new coach.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-21-2007, 02:26 AM
Don't you think Mike Tomlin might want to win right away? If he wants to win right away he will work with LeBeau and keep the 3-4 for right now. Its not like LeBeau is a spring chicken. Coach LeBeau is almost 70 years old and doesn't have alot of time left in his career. So its safe to say LeBeau will be gone in the next couple years.

But Grimm is now reported to have the job. So this conversation about Tomlin might be pointless anyways.

tony hipchest
01-21-2007, 03:15 AM
Don't you think Mike Tomlin might want to win right away? If he wants to win right away he will work with LeBeau and keep the 3-4 for right now. Its not like LeBeau is a spring chicken. Coach LeBeau is almost 70 years old and doesn't have alot of time left in his career. So its safe to say LeBeau will be gone in the next couple years.

But Grimm is now reported to have the job. So this conversation about Tomlin might be pointless anyways.
i would guarantee that tomlin wants to win right away. and i would say his best bet is with keeping the current system and personel in place. i will also say that as long as lebeaus health holds up he will probably be a marv levy type and alwats wanna be around football. like joe paterno, i dont think hes holding the door open for somebody to kick him out of.

my 1st post upon hearing that tomlin was the new head coach was that he immediately needs to call lebeay and ask him to remain the steelers dc. if the steelers are smart, they would place stipulations to tomlin that he keep him and the current system in place untic a smooother transition can be figured out.

again. who the hell really wants the tampa bay cover 2 in pittsburgh? if anyone does can you please say WHY???? (changing for the sake of change is not a good enough answer)

MACH1
01-21-2007, 03:21 AM
I hope LeBeau stays, but the only thing I might add is that WHO ever's the HC might want to try and prove they can win with their own ideas and schemes.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-21-2007, 03:21 AM
i would guarantee that tomlin wants to win right away. and i would say his best bet is with keeping the current system and personel in place. i will also say that as long as lebeaus health holds up he will probably be a marv levy type and alwats wanna be around football. like joe paterno, i dont think hes holding the door open for somebody to kick him out of.

my 1st post upon hearing that tomlin was the new head coach was that he immediately needs to call lebeay and ask him to remain the steelers dc. if the steelers are smart, they would place stipulations to tomlin that he keep him and the current system in place untic a smooother transition can be figured out.

again. who the hell really wants the tampa bay cover 2 in pittsburgh? if anyone does can you please say WHY???? (changing for the sake of change is not a good enough answer)

Trust me I agree ditching the 3-4 would be very bad and I mean very bad. I would just hope that Tomlin is smart enough to know that when looking at this current roster if indeed he is the man. Maybe he can come up with some new ideas as well like a hybrid defense which you suggested in one thread. I just like the idea of Tomlin/LeBeau together but I totally could be wrong on this.

Well the waiting continues is it Tomlin or Grimm.

Elvis
01-21-2007, 08:03 AM
Whoever the new coach is, I just hope that he keeps our 3-4 alignment atleast for now. We have too many talented players for this scheme right now to just up and change everything. We havent got 10 years left on all our players careers right now. Troy I think would fit just fine in the 4-3 but it would mean that he would have to cover more and I believe that he is smart enough to do so, but does he have the speed to do so? I know that ESPNNEWS has it at the bottom of their screen that Tomlin will be named Steelers head coach.:wave:

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 11:56 AM
I would hope that if Tomlin is the man, he would keep the coaching staff intact. Spencer is gone (and already forgotten) and I feel we have a pretty good nucleus of coaches that remain. If Grimm is the guy, I don't really see him changing anything other than probably promoting Arians to OC, which leaves the WRC open.

Personally I think the Rooneys should give all of us Steelers fans 2 tickets each to a game at Heinz as just and equitable compensation for raising our blood pressure and anxiety levels! :thumbsup:

skinart82
01-21-2007, 01:12 PM
Steelers put out a press release this afternoon saying that they have not picked a HC and they will not pick one today. If the Bears lose today they still want to interview Rivera. IMO I hope like hell they don't pick Tomlin or Rivera, they need to pick Grimm and stay in the organization and with somebody that already knows how things work in Pittsburgh.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 03:25 PM
IMO I hope like hell they don't pick Tomlin or Rivera, they need to pick Grimm and stay in the organization and with somebody that already knows how things work in Pittsburgh.

Sometimes change is a good thing, skinart. The Steelers went outside of the organization when they hired Cowher and that turned out pretty darned good. :thumbsup:

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 03:28 PM
Sometimes change is a good thing, skinart. The Steelers went outside of the organization when they hired Cowher and that turned out pretty darned good. :thumbsup:

EXACTLY!

Why do so many fans think that we need to promote Grimm? The way things work in Pittsburgh really don't work out all that well last year did it? And don't give me the old "we're only a year away from winning the Super Bowl" line because we all know that we weren't the best team in the NFL last year we were just the team that caught fire at the right time.

Some of the old vets need to get a little jolt. There were too many guys collecting paychecks last season.

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 03:42 PM
Last inside the organization hire for HC was Mike Nixon in the mid-60s - he lasted 1 season

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 03:45 PM
Last inside the organization hire for HC was Mike Nixon in the mid-60s - he lasted 1 season

That's not the best example. It was the 60s before we rose out of the root cellar.

I'm just not sold on the fact that we're so good we don't need major changes. I just didn't see a team on the field last year that was good enough to be called a Steelers team.

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 04:01 PM
That's not the best example. It was the 60s before we rose out of the root cellar.

I'm just not sold on the fact that we're so good we don't need major changes. I just didn't see a team on the field last year that was good enough to be called a Steelers team.

Sorry I did not meet your standards for a meaningful post :smile:

Please let me know if this is better:

By my count 4 head coaches that were recent Super Bowl winners have left voluntarily and been replaced by an in house hire

Vince Lombardi with Phil Bengsten (3 years)

Bill Walsh with George Seifert (8 years)

Bill Parcells with George Handley (2 years)

Joe Gibbs with Richie Pettibon (1 year)

Only Seifert was a success and he not only inherited a loaded team but had DeBartolo and Policy playing games to circumvent the salary cap.

I think you just need a clean break with the past to shake up a veteran team that has been successful.

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 04:05 PM
I agree - change CAN be good. My fingers and toes are crossed that our changes WILL be good changes! For instance......when is the last time you saw the Steelers even attempt a 2 point conversion?? And Ben was a perfect example of how change can be good. He can pass.......we were never known for our passing game and I watched them switch easily from the passing game to the running and back to a passing game with ease during that last Cincy game. They had to make some big adjustments to accomodate Ben's passing ability.......and it's was (finally) clicking again by the time the season ended.. Nobody expected that from us and that's one reason we caught everybody by surprise last year. The cat is out of the bag but with new coaching staff and new ideas.........look out!! (I hope!)

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 05:04 PM
I think you just need a clean break with the past to shake up a veteran team that has been successful.


That's more or less what I was trying to say.

Ward86MVP
01-22-2007, 10:09 AM
The Steelers' website confirms that Mike Tomlin has been hired.

BigBen2WardPITT
01-22-2007, 10:41 AM
yea so we know it's Tomlin, jeeze i am scared, excited, and again, scared.

are we in for drastic change? probably.

oh jeeze.

SteelerFanInCA
01-22-2007, 11:09 AM
We are still the most predictable team in the league. Hopefully with a new coach and all we can lose this label. I'm hoping Tomlin keeps Lebeau and the current D scheme in place. I'm one that believes change is good as well but to a certain extent.

Rotorhead
01-22-2007, 11:47 AM
I am sure Tomlin can see that making a big change, like from a 34 to a 43 will pretty much mean out Def will suck for a couple years. I doubt he will be willing to put us in the cellar of the AFC for a couple of years while he complete retools the Def. I would hope that he will slowly transition the team from a 34 to a 43 over the next few years if that is in fact his want. We just simply do have have the players to be a successful 43 team right out of the bag. I am sure he will bring along several assistant coaches with him, but hope he will stay with Lebeau for at least a couple years to learn the 34. We will see I guess.

Steelers
01-22-2007, 12:27 PM
ESPN says LeBeau's Staying (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738834).

Atlanta Dan
01-22-2007, 12:35 PM
ESPN says LeBeau's Staying (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738834).

Great news if true

Of course that story is such a cut and paste job it has Mortenson saying LeBeau will be back in the first few paragarphs and then says LeBeau is likely to be gone later in the story.

Tomlin can learn a lot if he keeps LeBeau for 2007 but, as that story notes, transitioning to the 4-3 leaves open what to do with players such as Casey and Troy that may not be best suited to a 4-3/Cover Two scheme.

Big D
01-22-2007, 12:42 PM
I have a feeling that if lebeau stays that tomlin will give lebeau complete control of the defense.

MACH1
01-22-2007, 12:43 PM
Thats good news if Lebeau stays. Whats going to happen with Grimm?