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LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 04:26 PM
I've been a Steelers fan since I was 4 years old....I'm sick and tired of the off season moves. They never want to spend money. They let Cowher retire and now we are hiring Tomlin? Are you serious? I would have been happy with Rivera, Grimm or Whiz. Tomlin was my absolute last choice, so I knew that meant he'd get it. :banging:

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 04:27 PM
I could be ignorant, but look at what Rivera has done with that defense. We could have had the new Steel Curtain. I hope Tomlin doesn't last long.

Big D
01-20-2007, 04:28 PM
I've been a Steelers fan since I was 4 years old....I'm sick and tired of the off season moves. They never want to spend money. They let Cowher retire and now we are hiring Tomlin? Are you serious? I would have been happy with Rivera, Grimm or Whiz. Tomlin was my absolute last choice, so I knew that meant he'd get it. :banging:

how do you let someone retire? did you see cowher coach this year? he retired after the superbowl. Cowher isnt here because he doesnt want to be here, I think it had nothing to do with money on why he isnt here right now.

Big D
01-20-2007, 04:29 PM
I could be ignorant, but look at what Rivera has done with that defense. We could have had the new Steel Curtain. I hope Tomlin doesn't last long.

Mike Tomlin took the 21st defense and brought them to eigth with not a whole lot of talent. Rivera has had guys like tommie harris, brian urlacher and aguenle just to name a few. And they also have a very sharp minded defensive head coach in Lovie Smith.

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 04:30 PM
THen why did Cowher tell the Rooneys he'd stay for 6 mil? And look at what Cowher was getting paid to the rest of the coaches in the league.

tony hipchest
01-20-2007, 04:31 PM
how do you let someone retire? did you see cowher coach this year? he retired after the superbowl. Cowher isnt here because he doesnt want to be here, I think it had nothing to do with money on why he isnt here right now.thats where you are wrong. the rooneys made cowher the lame duck coach after low balling him after his superbowl run. "it had nothing to do with money"? we will find out how true that is with his contract to coach next year.

he didnt retire. he resigned. big difference.

Stlrs4Life
01-20-2007, 04:32 PM
Don't give up Lambert, it really isn't official yet. Plus I still have faith in either choice by the Rooneys. None of us knew what we were getting in Cowher when he first hired.

stillers4me
01-20-2007, 04:33 PM
How about let's let the man officially get the job and see what he does with it before we string him up??? :hunch:

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 04:33 PM
True...but there are/were better options.

Big D
01-20-2007, 04:33 PM
thats where you are wrong. the rooneys made cowher the lame duck coach after low balling him after his superbowl run. "it had nothing to do with money"? we will find out how true that is with his contract to coach next year.

he didnt retire. he resigned. big difference.

how could he be a lame duck coach? after the superbowl he had two more seasons left on his contract.

ExtonSteelFan
01-20-2007, 04:34 PM
THen why did Cowher tell the Rooneys he'd stay for 6 mil? And look at what Cowher was getting paid to the rest of the coaches in the league.

Cowher said this? You're recalling information that hasn't been confirmed as factual.

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 04:34 PM
Offical or not, I hate this choice. That last big offseason move we made was signing the Bus over a decade ago.

83-Steelers-43
01-20-2007, 04:38 PM
lol, the guy hasn't even stepped foot on Heinz Field grass nor has the offseason even ended and this thread has already been started? Wow. That's all I gotta say......WOW.

vlad
01-20-2007, 04:39 PM
Offical or not, I hate this choice. That last big offseason move we made was signing the Bus over a decade ago.

You want big offseasons, go follow the Redskins. Then you can watch as guys like James Farrior leave to play for Cincinatti, while your team overpays for the Antwaan Randle Els of this world. You really don't know what you're asking for.

I truly believe you're just afraid. So you jump on the decision as bad before there are any results, so if it turns out bad, you can console yourself with your awesome 'foresight'. You know what's horrible about sports? You follow a team you have no control over. But that's also good, because it's risky, and some faith never hurt anyone.

stillers4me
01-20-2007, 04:40 PM
lol, the guy hasn't even stepped foot on Heinz Field grass nor has the offseason even ended and this thread has already been started? Wow. That's all I gotta say......WOW.

Fire Tomlin!!!

I wanted to be the first to say it..................:flap:

83-Steelers-43
01-20-2007, 04:47 PM
Fire Tomlin!!!

I wanted to be the first to say it..................:flap:

lol, I'm sure we will hear and see a good bit of that. If in fact Tomlin is the new HC, I can see it now after our first loss................"Cowher wouldn't have lost that game", "See what happens when you change?", "Now do wish Cowher was still here?"....:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

Thank you for breaking me in early stillers4me. :smile:

MACH1
01-20-2007, 04:50 PM
Doe's he bring in the 4-3? If he does what happens with our personnel, a lot of our players dont fit so well for 4-3 and what about Dick?

Stlrs4Life
01-20-2007, 04:51 PM
Cowher said this? You're recalling information that hasn't been confirmed as factual.


I agree, everybody believes a media story and runs with it. I never once heared of Cowher asking for that much. At the beginning of the season allo they sad was that contract talks ended. And then the old House buying in NC started, andf finally at the end of the season, he wanted 6 mil a year.

tony hipchest
01-20-2007, 04:52 PM
how could he be a lame duck coach? after the superbowl he had two more seasons left on his contract.cowher addressed this with one sentence in his press conference. it takes some reading in between the lines but it says a WHOLE lot about the "process".

cowher has always been extended with TWO years left on his contract. once it wasnt done after the sb, he was essentially a lame duck.

HometownGal
01-20-2007, 04:52 PM
How about let's let the man officially get the job and see what he does with it before we string him up??? :hunch:

:thumbsup: Absofreakinlutely.

Big D
01-20-2007, 04:55 PM
you have to remeber as well, we are talking about the rooneys, We arent talking about al davis who couldnt find an nfl head coach if they hit him right square in the face, we are talking about having an owner that has done a great job of bringing in great assitants and head coaches. I wonder how much pissing and moaning there was when Cowher was hired ahead of Wannestadt and Joe Greene

Black@Gold Forever32
01-20-2007, 04:57 PM
Ok Bill Cowher is gone. Get get get over it. Another thing Cowher wasn't going to coach this team forever. I'm looking forward to the new era of Steelers football and I hope Mike Tomlin is the man.

83-Steelers-43
01-20-2007, 04:57 PM
I wonder how much pissing and moaning there was when Cowher was hired ahead of Wannestadt and Joe Greene

Cowher? Who's that? (was being asked at the time)

Preacher
01-20-2007, 05:15 PM
Remember this.

We have very little of the information the Rooneys have.

I really DIDN"T want Grimm. however, I trust the Rooney's completely.

they have done a great job over the last 30 years or so.

Furthermore, since we don't have "The Chief" deciding who will be head coach based on who will enjoy the horseraces the best, We really don't have to worry!!

momper
01-20-2007, 05:28 PM
Offical or not, I hate this choice. That last big offseason move we made was signing the Bus over a decade ago.

Right, but during these ten years they have won a super bowl and been to 3 other AFC championships. The steelers have always been the type of team to draft and develop their players. You can't complain about the amount success they've had without blowing money in free agency. The Rooneys know a lot more than you do about what is right for the franchise, let them make the decisions.

Indy_Steelers
01-20-2007, 05:49 PM
Ron Rivera? Good defense against a week schedule. It should have been good.
This is Rivera's resume:

In 1999, Rivera was named linebackers coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. During his tenure the Eagles advanced to the NFC (National Football Conference) Championships for three consecutive seasons. He is credited with developing linebacker Jeremiah Trotter into a two-time Pro Bowl performer.

Tomlin is WAY better, although I was kind of hoping for Grimm.
More on Tomlin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tomlin
I do not know that I will be as disappointed as I originally thought with the 4-3.
I mean we have only won 4 SB with that defense.

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 05:57 PM
Ron Rivera? Good defense against a week schedule. It should have been good.
This is Rivera's resume:

In 1999, Rivera was named linebackers coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. During his tenure the Eagles advanced to the NFC (National Football Conference) Championships for three consecutive seasons. He is credited with developing linebacker Jeremiah Trotter into a two-time Pro Bowl performer.

Tomlin is WAY better, although I was kind of hoping for Grimm.
More on Tomlin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tomlin
I do not know that I will be as disappointed as I originally thought with the 4-3.
I mean we have only won 4 SB with that defense.

If you are gonna throw the schedule card, remember Minnesota is in the same divison.

LambertIsGod58
01-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Right, but during these ten years they have won a super bowl and been to 3 other AFC championships. The steelers have always been the type of team to draft and develop their players. You can't complain about the amount success they've had without blowing money in free agency. The Rooneys know a lot more than you do about what is right for the franchise, let them make the decisions.

The problem is that MOSTfans like you are not objective...You think that everything the Rooneys do is right. Just because you speak against your team doesn't mean that you are not a fan. ANd I could be wrong about Tomlin, but I could be right too! We already have a member named Preacher on here...

Big D
01-20-2007, 06:22 PM
If you are gonna throw the schedule card, remember Minnesota is in the same divison.

that is very true. However the vikings dont have near the talent that the bears do.

tony hipchest
01-20-2007, 06:46 PM
that is very true. However the vikings dont have near the talent that the bears do.their record reflects that. raiders had a "great" defense too.

SteelCzar76
01-20-2007, 07:31 PM
their record reflects that. raiders had a "great" defense too.


Tone, i don't believe that Tomlin would sacrifice the well being of the offense for the sake of the defensive side of the ball.



"Hail Caesar,.....HAIL THE BLACK AND GOLD"

Preacher
01-20-2007, 07:38 PM
The problem is that MOSTfans like you are not objective...You think that everything the Rooneys do is right. Just because you speak against your team doesn't mean that you are not a fan. ANd I could be wrong about Tomlin, but I could be right too! We already have a member named Preacher on here...


We do??? Who is that??

Indy_Steelers
01-20-2007, 08:40 PM
If you are gonna throw the schedule card, remember Minnesota is in the same divison.

Good point.

that is very true. However the vikings dont have near the talent that the bears do.


He has done more with less, and if you look at their careers before going to the NFC North I just think Tomlin's is way better. Man what he did in Tampa.:thumbsup:

momper
01-20-2007, 10:25 PM
The problem is that MOSTfans like you are not objective...You think that everything the Rooneys do is right. Just because you speak against your team doesn't mean that you are not a fan. ANd I could be wrong about Tomlin, but I could be right too! We already have a member named Preacher on here...

I am an objective fan, but I wanted the Rooneys to hire Tomlin over anyone else. I never stated that you weren't a fan because you spoke out against the decision, I merely stated that the Rooneys have a lot more experience and information than you do when it comes to who will be the best fit for the franchise. They have the opportunity to personally interview candidates for hours, something we don't. Although you have the right to, I don't see the point of creating a thread about how you were disappointed about Tomlin being hired over Rivera without giving any reasons. Why do you think Tomlin will be a bad coach? In my opinion, Tomlin's resume looks fantastic. In fact, the defenses that he coached seem more impressive to me than what Rivera did. Also, you say you are sick of how the Steelers don't throw money around in free agency. I don't know what you've been watching since you were 4 years old, but the Steelers never throw money around. And with all of the success this franchise has had with their current system I really don't see why you are complaining. I think that the teams that have had the most success in the past are the ones who don't just throw money around.

Steelers
01-20-2007, 11:46 PM
I'm happy with the hire. I didn't want Grimm.

Tomlin is a lot like Cowher was when he was hired. Great defensive coach, young, and hungry for success. He has an "in-your-face" style and a sense of leadership about him.

fansince'76
01-20-2007, 11:49 PM
The problem is that MOSTfans like you are not objective...You think that everything the Rooneys do is right.

Nope, I'm still pissed about the handling of the Rod Woodson situation to this day.

steel-EERS
01-21-2007, 12:34 AM
what the heck is going on here?

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
01-21-2007, 12:39 AM
I just got done reading the article and all I can say is I'm so freaking CONFUSED!!!! :huh:

nicesteel4life
01-21-2007, 12:50 AM
This is totally INSANE! I am reading it but cant believe it!

nicesteel4life
01-21-2007, 12:51 AM
Now the TRIB has posted that Grimm is the Coach! What is going on?

steel-EERS
01-21-2007, 12:58 AM
im going to bed, can't keep doing this tonight

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
01-21-2007, 01:04 AM
Nope, I'm still pissed about the handling of the Rod Woodson situation to this day.

I was watching an interview with Mr. Rooney and he was asked about the Woodson thing. He said that Coach Chin and Donahoe were both in agreement to ditch Woodson, Mr Rooney wanted to keep him. He also said that giving Woodson the boot was the only thing that Cowher and Donahoe EVER agreed on and that surprised him because they were always at odds with each other. So don't blame Rooney, Cowher and Donahoe were the one's that needed to be smacked up the side of the head for that bone head call.

fansince'76
01-21-2007, 01:08 AM
I was watching an interview with Mr. Rooney and he was asked about the Woodson thing. He said that Coach Chin and Donahoe were both in agreement to ditch Woodson, Mr Rooney wanted to keep him. He also said that giving Woodson the boot was the only thing that Cowher and Donahoe EVER agreed on and that surprised him because they were always at odds with each other. So don't blame Rooney, Cowher and Donahoe were the one's that needed to be smacked up the side of the head for that bone head call.

I stand corrected, thank you. All I can say is that Cowher and Donahoe were both DEAD WRONG, then.

Hines86Ward
01-21-2007, 02:02 AM
This is getting rediculous.....

MACH1
01-21-2007, 02:52 AM
espnews is still saying its tomlin :confused:

Borski
01-21-2007, 02:57 AM
??????????????????????????????????????????????????

What?

SansWetware
01-21-2007, 03:14 AM
I am going a bit stir-crazy over this. The Steelers are pretty much my favorite anything ever. The Rooney's are probably asleep right now like the rest of the planet (save myself I guess) so I am sure I will be getting no sleep tonight having no more info to go on.

(Hoping for Tomlin here)

Steelersfan4life0655
01-21-2007, 04:25 AM
tomlin is a good choice, only if he doesnt revamp the defense and bring that 4-3 defense to pittsburgh. It's proven the the 3-4 defense have been more effective in the seasons gone by and you see more 3-4 teams in the playoffs then you do say a cover 2 4-3. i dont know i really hope that if tomlin is hired that he will make the right choice to what is BEST for this team. I love my steelers, but hard to imagine 4 down lineman rushing the passer.

83-Steelers-43
01-21-2007, 06:15 AM
It would be nice if the media actually waited until the Pittsburgh Steelers news conference officially announcing the new HC occured, instead of typing up stories involving "sources".

Galax Steeler
01-21-2007, 06:25 AM
I'm ready to get it over with.

ChronoCross
01-21-2007, 07:19 AM
It is crazy. You have Espn going off of what a guy from illustrated says. You have the Roonies stating that Tomlin was not hired, you have Tomlin saying he was not hired. You have KFFL wire jumping back and forth then finally reporting again that Tomlin will be hired going off of what Espn says now. Espn has been wrong so many times before on things and reporting things before there fact and basing there writing off of rumors. All the espn stuff date as early as around 8pm est last night. You have the Trib saying around midnight of last night that Grimm is the coach. Now if people remember correctly, that there was a rumor early in the week stating that Grimm would be coach also by Saturday, and that was said on NFL Network. So now we have to wait till Monday possible longer to see who the real coach is. Crazy. So by all of our sources were still uncertain of a coach until they officially announce it. Who ever the Roonies go with I am all for because I have faith in there judgement. Let the new era of who ever comes are way be the one to bring us yet again to the glory land.

Grimm stays, coaching staff will only change a little bit. Tomlin comes in, get ready for big changes.

83-Steelers-43
01-21-2007, 08:03 AM
Scary..........

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2007-01-20/0121grimmtop300-f.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.aolsportsblog.com/media/2007/01/matt-millen-240.jpg

LarryNJ
01-21-2007, 08:34 AM
:jawdrop: NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 09:03 AM
I heard they hired Mickey Mouse. Hines Ward referred him.

Maniac43
01-21-2007, 09:18 AM
I just got done reading the article and all I can say is I'm so freaking CONFUSED!!!! :huh:

Prisuta is a MORON,He doesn't know more than Silver & Mortensen.The Steelers aren't talking so how would Prisuta know,Someone IS talking to Silver & Mortensen & my guess is it's either Tomlin's agent or Someone high up in the NFL offices.:blah: :blah:

floodcitygirl
01-21-2007, 09:39 AM
I'm waiting until we find out who's actually been hired before I decide if I hate him. :hunch:

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 09:44 AM
I'm waiting until we find out who's actually been hired before I decide if I hate him. :hunch:

But, Flood!!! That takes all the fun out of the waiting!!!!!!!!! :dang:

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 10:03 AM
Tomlin says rumors driving him nuts. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6379790)

This was posted about 8 hours ago on Fox Sports. Through this whole thing, they've been about the only sports website that's held off from making any claims from sources. Fox Sports just went up in my opinion and SI and ESPN went way down.

Tim
01-21-2007, 10:05 AM
Just posted to the P-G. I put contract in quotes because they may still have picked who they want, they just haven't hammered out the details.

No head coach contract yet, Steelers say

Sunday, January 21, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Amid conflicting reports that the Steelers have chosen either Mike Tomlin or Russ Grimm as their next head coach, team spokesman Dave Lockett issued a statement this morning that cleared up little.

"At this point and time, the Steelers have not concluded a contract agreement with a new head coach, nor do we expect to do so today. There will be no other announcements from this office today."

83-Steelers-43
01-21-2007, 10:06 AM
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=14130&page=88

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 10:37 AM
Once again, so that we don't have umpteen threads on basically the same topic - "Is it Tomlin or is it Grimm", (and so we don't receive complaints about members not being able to find a different topic to post in) I have created a thread for discussion on this subject. Please keep all posts related to the Tomlin/Grimm mystery in this thread. Thanks! :smile:

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 10:47 AM
I don't think that anybody will be happier than our mods will be be when they finally announce the head coach!!

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 11:01 AM
Clayton on ESPN at 10:55 says Steelers brass will meet this afternoon and decide if Rivera is still in the running!!

Clayton (who wrote a hunting & fishing column for the P-G in the 70s and is another national reporter with good/long-time Pittsburgh sources) appears to say no choice has yet been made.

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 11:03 AM
So Clayton and Mort are reporting two different thing?

I do believe Clayton, he's far more reliable than Mort.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 11:06 AM
I don't think that anybody will be happier than our mods will be be when they finally announce the head coach!!

Dayum - you've got that right. LOL! :smile:

I'm not listening to any of these rumors at this point - whoever gets the job, I'll stand behind (though if it's Grimm, you won't see me) :wink02: These crazed reporters are all trying to stampede each other to get the scoop. When the Steelers are ready to formally announce their selection, that's when I'll believe it.

Tim
01-21-2007, 11:48 AM
You know, this is THE best Steelers Forum on the web, but you guys really seem to enjoy micromoderating this forum. Is it really that big of a deal if there's multiple threads? People post breaking news and I'm not going to search through a 7 page thread to see if anyone already posted something.

TackleMeBen
01-21-2007, 11:49 AM
I personally think the media should just keep their mouth shut until someone from the team comes out and says something. and their last name is rooney!!!!:cheer:

PalmerSteel
01-21-2007, 12:58 PM
You know, this is THE best Steelers Forum on the web, but you guys really seem to enjoy micromoderating this forum. Is it really that big of a deal if there's multiple threads? People post breaking news and I'm not going to search through a 7 page thread to see if anyone already posted something.


i agree. any breaking news that is started on its own thread would be nice to see easily and not hunt. but just my newb opinion :wink02:

Black&GoldBleeder
01-21-2007, 01:17 PM
It doesn't make sense why they would've made their decision and not waiting until the bears game 2 c if they could talk 2 Rivera

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 01:22 PM
You know, this is THE best Steelers Forum on the web, but you guys really seem to enjoy micromoderating this forum. Is it really that big of a deal if there's multiple threads? People post breaking news and I'm not going to search through a 7 page thread to see if anyone already posted something.

We enjoy "micromoderating"? Are you serious? Yes - it is a big deal if there are multiple threads on the same subject. For the 80th time (exag.), it clogs up the forum and makes it very difficult for those who don't want to keep reading the same redundant subject to find another topic to post on. If there is breaking news on who the Steelers' choice of a HC is - finally - we have no problem with the member posting ONE thread on that topic outside of this thread, but all of these he said/she said/it said/they said threads about who the Steelers' new Commander in Chief is, based on who their "sources" are, as I mentioned above - is redundant.

Hey - we have to read through the threads to properly moderate - you have to read through 'em too. :wink02:

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 01:29 PM
Thanks to the mods for the time and effort in herding all teh hiring rumors into one thread.

The linked MSNBC article sums up the various rumors of the last 24 hours.

And the next Steelers coach will be ... hold on

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16723895/

With regard to Rivera, it seems as if he is out of the running if the Bears win this afternoon.

If the Bears lost the NFC championship game Sunday to New Orleans, Rivera could talk with the Steelers as early as Monday night. If not, they would have to wait until after the Super Bowl, something they almost certainly would not do.

My impression is that teams want their HC in place for the Senior Bowl this coming weekend, both to assess the livestock (that may sound harsh, but the players are weighed, measured and otherwise tested this week like prime beef) for the upcoming draft and because the week of that game is a sort of a coaches convention where staffs can be interviewed and hired.

steelerbackr4life
01-21-2007, 01:31 PM
I for one would like to say,Thank you to the mods for keeping all of this in one place.

Livinginthe past
01-21-2007, 01:39 PM
You know, this is THE best Steelers Forum on the web, but you guys really seem to enjoy micromoderating this forum. Is it really that big of a deal if there's multiple threads? People post breaking news and I'm not going to search through a 7 page thread to see if anyone already posted something.

It is forum policy to prevent multiple threads on the same subject from dominating the forum.

Its not so much of a big deal if you repost a link or a story, as long as you do it in the dedicated thread - we can easily delete these, if need be.

'Breaking news' on a particular subject can still be posted on the relevant thread - because it is forum policy; thats where people will look to find out the latest news.

I can tell you its a pain in the ass to re-route these posts into a single thread, but it makes for a much more user friendly environment - and hence...the best Steelers forum on the web.

:cheers:

NM

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 02:15 PM
This just popped up in my e-mail google alerts.....I found it interesting.......

Pittsburgh's hire may affect Cardinals staff By Darren Urban
Tribune


The news that broke Saturday that the Pittsburgh Steelers are planning to hire Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin will likely affect the Cardinals and new coach Ken Whisenhunt. All along, Whisenhunt wanted to tap into the Steelers' existing coaching staff and assistants that he had worked with in Pittsburgh. But the Steelers, who had been considering one of the assistants on that staff - assistant head coach and offensive line coach Russ Grimm - were unwilling to let most of their coaches out of their contracts.

But now that Tomlin is apparently going to get the job, he is likely going to want his own coaches. And that means Whisenhunt may be able to target Steelers assistants again.

Whisenhunt was turned down when he tried to talk to Pittsburgh linebackers coach Keith Butler and receivers coach Bruce Arians.

Whisenhunt could also have interest in bringing Grimm - who was also a candidate for the Cards' head coaching job - to Arizona.

First, though, Tomlin must be hired and he will have to make the same decisions to dump remaining assistants as Whisenhunt has done in Arizona.

Butler may not be needed anymore now that Whisenhunt hired Billy Davis to coach linebackers. Or Butler could be a candidate for defensive coordinator, as Arians could be a possibility for offensive coordinator.

Whisenhunt has hired coaches for linebackers, defensive backs and special teams. The Cardinals still have four holdover coaches as well: defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, receivers coach Mike Wilson, offensive line coach Steve Loney and safeties coach Rick Courtright.

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 02:17 PM
Yeah, an outside hire could mean the staff gets raided pretty hard. Whipple and Arians are both good choices for an OC and Grimm could be the next Mean Joe out here in the Desert.

But hiring an outside guy would be meant as a shakeup and that's probably not a bad thing.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 03:05 PM
Complete agreement here. There is more thread merging around here than a knitting mill.

What I find is it is probably easier for the few that read every letter of every post, but most of us don't have the time for that.

Please read the board "Laws of the Land" posted in the Announcements Forum, which has been in effect since March 9, 2005, paying close attention to #1. :smile:

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=354

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alittlejazzbird
01-21-2007, 05:05 PM
Sunday 5:00pm...

A link to Michael Silver's story is now back on SI.com's front page, showing an update as of 4:00pm. Just glancing at the story, I can't tell what the update is, but its reappearance on the front page tells me that someone at SI is still sticking by the Tomlin hire. And ESPN hasn't backed off Chris Mortensen's report. We'll have to wait and see how this all shakes out, but someone (ESPN/SI or the Trib) stands to be very embarrassed by the outcome.

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 05:09 PM
Sunday 5:00pm...

A link to Michael Silver's story is now back on SI.com's front page, showing an update as of 4:00pm. Just glancing at the story, I can't tell what the update is, but its reappearance on the front page tells me that someone at SI is still sticking by the Tomlin hire. And ESPN hasn't backed off Chris Mortensen's report. We'll have to wait and see how this all shakes out, but someone (ESPN/SI or the Trib) stands to be very embarrassed by the outcome.

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but ESPN and SI have been wrong so often this won't faze them.

LarryNJ
01-21-2007, 05:30 PM
You know, this is THE best Steelers Forum on the web, but you guys really seem to enjoy micromoderating this forum. Is it really that big of a deal if there's multiple threads? People post breaking news and I'm not going to search through a 7 page thread to see if anyone already posted something.

I agree with Tim but it's not my site and they can mod it like they want. It's much easier to search a few sites and find any new news than read thru some of these threads.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 05:39 PM
I agree with Tim but it's not my site and they can mod it like they want. It's much easier to search a few sites and find any new news than read thru some of these threads.

A matter of preference, my dear Larry. :wink02: We didn't create the rules - we're just here to carry them out. :smile:

LarryNJ
01-21-2007, 05:41 PM
A matter of preference, my dear Larry. :wink02: We didn't create the rules - we're just here to carry them out. :smile:

Don't misunderstand me I think you do a great job. I simply don't use the site for news.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 05:47 PM
Don't misunderstand me I think you do a great job. I simply don't use the site for news.

I know, Larry. Just funnin' with you (well other than enforcing the rules part). :wink02:

Bigsteve332310
01-21-2007, 05:56 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6391772

The controversy should now be put to bed.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Steelers have finally informed Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin that they have in fact chosen him as their next head coach. Tomlin is slated to fly to Pittsburgh by tomorrow morning provided the two sides can work out a contract.
The two sides have agreed to terms on a multi-year deal that is believed to be comparable to the four-year, $10 million deal Cam Cameron reached with the Miami Dolphins.

The Steelers are expected to officially announce Tomlin as their coach Monday.

Tomlin was originally scheduled to fly to Mobile, Alabama for this week's Senior Bowl but was asked by Pittsburgh brass to not get on the plane.

Calls to Tomlin have not been returned but sources close to the coach said he expects to be able to work out the terms of the contract with the Steelers by this evening.

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 05:59 PM
Now we start the "What's going to happen to Russ Grimm" threads. :thumbsup:

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Looking forward from hearing from the Trib-Review where they were coming from with last night's midnight story it was Grimm

Glad the Steelers will not be waiting for Rivera to be available in 2 more weeks - time to start the next chapter in Steelers' history

paw-n-maul-u
01-21-2007, 06:07 PM
geez ... im not really sure how i feel about this signing. Tomlins had what ... one year as a DC in minnesota and a few years with TB's secondary? not to mention we dont have any of the front 7 personel on the defensive side to compile a competative 4-3 defense. I just don't see it. outside of hampton, kiesel, and A. smith, who is going to play as a fourth down lineman? ... I think if tomlin is infact the coach, we can pretty much bank on a DE/LB tweener in the draft. Quentin moses, adam gaines, someone of that nature. and we'll most definitly have a busy busy offseason trying to snag a few guys to fit his new scheme. dwight freeney anyone????? ... so much is running through my mind right now i don't even know where to begin.


... I just hope this doesnt set us back in the hole a few years

Jeremy
01-21-2007, 06:14 PM
geez ... im not really sure how i feel about this signing. Tomlins had what ... one year as a DC in minnesota and a few years with TB's secondary? not to mention we dont have any of the front 7 personel on the defensive side to compile a competative 4-3 defense. I just don't see it. outside of hampton, kiesel, and A. smith, who is going to play as a fourth down lineman? ... I think if tomlin is infact the coach, we can pretty much bank on a DE/LB tweener in the draft. Quentin moses, adam gaines, someone of that nature. and we'll most definitly have a busy busy offseason trying to snag a few guys to fit his new scheme. dwight freeney anyone????? ... so much is running through my mind right now i don't even know where to begin.


... I just hope this doesnt set us back in the hole a few years

Cowher only had a couple of seasons as a DC before we hired him. As a matter of fact, Tomlin is a little like Cowher.

OneForTheToe
01-21-2007, 06:16 PM
If this is finally true, then the veteran players on the Steelers are going to have to have to step up. Players like Faneca, Hines, Joey (if he stays), Casey, and yes Ben, will have to lead and show support for the new HC, even if many of them would have preferred one of the inside candidates.

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 06:18 PM
Well there ya go! I feel like the world was watching us (well, a small part of it anyway!) like they were watching the Vatican to decide on a new Pope!! I guess there's white smoke rising out of Heinz Field as we speak!!!!!!

One more time...........Welcome Coach Tomlin!

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 06:20 PM
Cowher only had a couple of seasons as a DC before we hired him. As a matter of fact, Tomlin is a little like Cowher.

hmmmmmm..........!! :wink02:

WWIIOwheelz
01-21-2007, 06:30 PM
Looking forward from hearing from the Trib-Review where they were coming from with last night's midnight story it was Grimm

Glad the Steelers will not be waiting for Rivera to be available in 2 more weeks - time to start the next chapter in Steelers' history

Someone's idea of damage control, however misguided. I'm sure there will be some heads that roll because of this.

HometownGal
01-21-2007, 06:36 PM
Thanks for the story, Bigsteve, but I'm stickin' to my guns and not believing anything until I hear it from the Rooneys tomorrow. If it is Tomlin, I'm going to be a happy gal! :smile:

AvoidLLoyd95
01-21-2007, 06:41 PM
It's on Post-Gazzette.com. Tomlin is coach. Good Luck sir and welcome!

Atlanta Dan
01-21-2007, 06:51 PM
The time (finally!) has come to look forward rather than look back

Welcome to the Steelers Coach Tomlin - may the record of your two immediate predecessors be an inspiration rather than a burden.

pittsburgh$teelersfan
01-21-2007, 06:52 PM
YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stlrs4Life
01-21-2007, 07:14 PM
http://post-gazette.com/pg/07021/755744-66.stm


Welcome to Pittsburgh Coach Tomlin, best of Luck to ya!

floodcitygirl
01-21-2007, 10:45 PM
No matter how much it's sounding like the real deal, this time I'm waiting for the official word. :thumbsup:

fergusonat
01-21-2007, 10:55 PM
:tt: I'm glad that they have *apparently* decided on Tomlin. The guy must have some latent talent for the Rooney's to side with him. The Steelers will undoubtedly still be the blue-collar, smash-mouth team they've always been, regardless of the final official decision.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
01-21-2007, 10:59 PM
I'll be curious to see what kind of personnel changes Tomlin has in store, mostly on the defensive side of the football. Will he employ his "Tampa 2" defense or will LeBeau stick around and continue with the 3-4...should be interesting. If they decide to go with a 4-3 I'm not sure that Smith and Keisel are built to play it.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
01-21-2007, 11:13 PM
Tomlin due in Monday to sign contract

Steelers make offer to Tomlin, contract expected Monday


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By The Associated Press
Sunday, January 21, 2007

Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin accepted the Pittsburgh Steelers' coaching job Sunday night and was working out a four-year contract he hoped to complete Monday, people close to the search told The Associated Press.

They requested anonymity because the Steelers have asked all parties involved in the search to not speak to reporters until they can make the announcement, which could come Monday or Tuesday.

Tomlin is expected to make around $2.5 million per year, the going rate of late for first-time NFL coaching hires. Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher resigned Jan. 5 following 15 seasons after apparently rejecting a $6 million per year contract extension offer earlier this year.

stillers4me
01-21-2007, 11:52 PM
Jan 21, 11:32 PM EST


Tomlin accepts Steelers coaching job By ALAN ROBINSON
AP Sports Writer



PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin accepted the Pittsburgh Steelers' coaching job Sunday night and was working out a four-year contract he hoped to complete Monday, people close to the search told The Associated Press.

They requested anonymity because the Steelers have asked all parties involved in the search to not speak to reporters until they can make the announcement, which could come Monday or Tuesday.

Tomlin is expected to make around $2.5 million per year, the going rate of late for first-time NFL coaching hires. Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher resigned Jan. 5 following 15 seasons after apparently rejecting a $6 million per year contract extension offer earlier this year.

Tomlin's hiring completed a frantic 2 1/2-week search in which he was initially viewed as an unlikely choice behind perceived front-runners Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm, only to land the job after impressing the Steelers with his motivation, intensity, knowledge of defense and enthusiasm.

"It's humbling," Tomlin said last week of being in the running to become only the third Steelers coach in 38 years. "These are great football people. I've got a great deal of respect for what they do and what they've done. It's just a very humbling experience to be involved in but, at the same time, professional football is what I do and I'm a competitor like everyone else."

The 34-year-old Tomlin, a defensive coordinator for only one season, was chosen over Grimm, the Steelers' assistant head coach for three years and Chicago defensive coordinator Ron Rivera. The Steelers decided Sunday not to give Rivera a second interview because they couldn't talk with him again until Feb. 5, the day after the Super Bowl.

The Steelers issued a statement Sunday morning saying they had not concluded a deal and didn't expect to on Sunday, but the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette later reported Grimm had been told Tomlin was the choice.

However, the Steelers did not deny Tomlin was the choice, only that they did not have a contract with their new coach and did not expect to have one Sunday.

While the Steelers have not interviewed any candidates since meeting with Tomlin for 3 1/2 hours Tuesday and Grimm for six hours Wednesday, there was a flurry of reports - at times conflicting - over the weekend.

SI.com, Sports Illustrated's Web site, and, later, ESPN.com, reported Saturday the Steelers had decided on Tomlin, the Vikings' defensive coordinator, or begun contract talks with him. On Sunday, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - citing unidentified sources - reported that Grimm was the choice.

However, a source close to the search said no offer was made to Tomlin until Sunday afternoon, about 24 hours after it was first reported he was the Steelers' choice. Until then, Tomlin was confused and unhappy about the mixed signals and was hoping the premature news didn't influence the Steelers' decision.

Tomlin will be the fourth consecutive coach hired by the Steelers who was a defensive assistant coach in his 30s with another team before going to Pittsburgh. Bill Austin was 37 when he was chosen in 1966, as was Chuck Noll in 1969. Cowher was 34 when he picked in 1992. Both Noll (4-0 in Super Bowls) and Cowher (1-1 in Super Bowls) took teams to multiple title games.

Dan Rooney either made the choice or was involved in hiring all four coaches.

Tomlin was a Tampa Bay assistant for five seasons before being hired by Vikings coach Brad Childress before last season. What could be tricky in Pittsburgh is assimilating Tomlin's preference for the 4-3 defense and Tampa 2 cover schemes into a Steelers defense that has long played the 3-4.

The Steelers have built their roster around players fitted for the 3-4, such as All-Pro safety Troy Polamalu and Pro Bowl nose guard Casey Hampton. Neither would seem to be nearly as well-suited for a 4-3 scheme in which the defensive ends, not the linebackers, are the primary pass rushers.

Also uncertain is whether Grimm, the assistant head coach for three seasons and the offensive line coach for six seasons, will stay and work for the coach who beat him out for the job. Grimm is under contract for next season.

Grimm and Ken Whisenhunt, the Steelers' offensive coordinator, were seen as the clear front-runners since Cowher resigned on Jan. 5, but Whisenhunt later took the Arizona Cardinals' job without waiting to see if the Steelers would hire him.

Tomlin would become the first black coach in the Steelers' 74-season history. On Sunday, Bears coach Lovie Smith became the first black coach to take his team to the Super Bowl and, a few hours later, Tomlin mentor Tony Dungy of Indianapolis became the second.

Tomlin, from Hampton, Va., was a wide receiver at William & Mary, where he caught 20 touchdown passes during his career. He later coached at VMI, Memphis, Tennessee-Martin, Arkansas State and Cincinnati before being hired by Dungy at Tampa Bay. He was the secondary coach when the Bucs returned three interceptions for touchdowns in beating Oakland 48-21 to win the Super Bowl during the 2002 season.

Childress recently said he didn't expect to keep Tomlin long, but hoped to have him for a second season. The Vikings now must look for a seventh defensive coordinator in nine years.

OneForTheToe
01-21-2007, 11:55 PM
The trib has a new story. On the WTAE sports bull session, The trib reporter said that the story they are reporting now is that the steelers offered the job to Grimm and then changed their mind.

That would surprise me if true. the Trib seems to be twisting in the wind. Even Guy Junker gave the Trib reporter a strange look over the comment.

stillers4me
01-22-2007, 12:08 AM
The trib has a new story. On the WTAE sports bull session, The trib reporter said that the story they are reporting now is that the steelers offered the job to Grimm and then changed their mind.

That would surprise me if true. the Trib seems to be twisting in the wind. Even Guy Junker gave the Trib reporter a strange look over the comment.

I find that story highly unlikely.........they make it sound like the hired Grimm and then checked their Magic 8-ball and it said, "you are making a mistake." !!!! :dang:

24seven
01-22-2007, 12:40 AM
Welcome coach! Hope to have a long and lustrous career with you!!

stlrtruck
01-22-2007, 09:17 AM
Regardless of who it is, I will trust in the Rooney's to make the right decision to get this team back to where they belong - back on the podium on Super Bowl Sunday at approximately 10:30 - 11:00pm (eastern time)!!!

Atlanta Dan
01-22-2007, 09:40 AM
Observations by Peter King at SI on the Tomlin hire

Age when Chuck Noll took the Steelers job in 1969: 37.

Age when Bill Cowher took the Steelers job in 1992: 34.

Age when Mike Tomlin takes the Steeler job in 2007: 34.

For all you fans of Russ Grimm (48) and Ron Rivera (45), it was going to be an uphill battle to break that trend.

and this

Everything I hear about Tomlin is good. I mean, everything.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/01/21/playoffs/3.html

klick81
01-22-2007, 11:39 AM
Observations by Peter King at SI on the Tomlin hire

Age when Chuck Noll took the Steelers job in 1969: 37.

Age when Bill Cowher took the Steelers job in 1992: 34.

Age when Mike Tomlin takes the Steeler job in 2007: 34.

For all you fans of Russ Grimm (48) and Ron Rivera (45), it was going to be an uphill battle to break that trend.

and this

Everything I hear about Tomlin is good. I mean, everything.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/01/21/playoffs/3.html

I just hope he's with us for a long time (with a successful career, obviously).

43FlyingHair
01-22-2007, 10:20 PM
What I'm interested to hear (and probably won't) is the PLAYERS' response to this development. I especially want to hear what the guys on defense really think about this... and most especially after he starts telling them how he's going to change a defense that has historically been fairly well-regarded in recent years, and make it that much better in the process.

I have a suspicion that if they don't put a muzzle on Joey Porter, we might hear exactly what he thinks about it all pretty soon. He's never been one to let the league or team management tell him how to express himself... I just wonder whether he (and others) will buy into the 4-3/Tampa 2 scheme, or if there will be dissent and mass defections through FA.

fansince'76
01-22-2007, 10:24 PM
I have a suspicion that if they don't put a muzzle on Joey Porter, we might hear exactly what he thinks about it all pretty soon. He's never been one to let the league or team management tell him how to express himself... I just wonder whether he (and others) will buy into the 4-3/Tampa 2 scheme, or if there will be dissent and mass defections through FA.

I have a feeling from watching his press conference, that Tomlin isn't going to be rushing into installing the 4-3 cover 2.

Atlanta Dan
01-22-2007, 10:29 PM
What I'm interested to hear (and probably won't) is the PLAYERS' response to this development. I especially want to hear what the guys on defense really think about this... and most especially after he starts telling them how he's going to change a defense that has historically been fairly well-regarded in recent years, and make it that much better in the process.

I have a suspicion that if they don't put a muzzle on Joey Porter, we might hear exactly what he thinks about it all pretty soon. He's never been one to let the league or team management tell him how to express himself... I just wonder whether he (and others) will buy into the 4-3/Tampa 2 scheme, or if there will be dissent and mass defections through FA.

Having seen Tomlin's demeanor in the press conference today I do not know if a player going public with any concerns about new defensive schemes would be a real bright idea.

In addition to feeling much better now that LeBeau will be back next year, I do not think Joey has much leverage if he gets upset about anything. On that point, one change I expect from last season is an end to certain players "expressing" themselves through dumb ass personal foul penalties. And it is not as if these players did not listen when LeBeau came in back in 2004 to tune up a defense that had lost its mojo under Tim Lewis.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
01-22-2007, 11:09 PM
joey porter is in a position where he's going to have to prove himself again...and i believe that's a good thing. cowher gave porter more rope than i thought he, at times, deserved. yes, joey has a big mouth, but he's also a big playmaker...well, he wasn't making as many plays this year and the steelers' defense absolutely needs him to play at the level of his mouth. tomlin might be what joey needs right now - not a coach that he'll kiss on the cheek, but a coach that will kick him in the rear end and hold him more accountable for his production. should be interesting.