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Infamix
01-24-2007, 09:33 AM
I know Harrison has had a couple injury problems recently, but who would you guys rather have starting? I know Porter admitted to having a down year, but his contract is still an issue. Porter has the edge in coverage, but Harrison is more of a physical talent, has that intimidating factor like Greg Llyod and could be a leader if given a chance, IMO. I'd give Harrison a chance.

Justin Otstott
01-24-2007, 09:46 AM
im jumpy on this...I love Porter but...yea but....his contract may be a little problem and we do have James who should be a starter so, I would say give James a shot!

Steeldude
01-24-2007, 09:56 AM
harrison all the way. porter should have been benched last year. porter is a soft LB.

Infamix
01-24-2007, 10:00 AM
You know what's even harder? RYAN CLARK VS. ANTHONY SMITH. They both hit hard, they're both ball hawks, they're both solid safties. Contemplation for Tomlin...

stillers4me
01-24-2007, 10:02 AM
Is it September yet??????? :tt02:

tony hipchest
01-24-2007, 10:02 AM
harrison all the way. porter should have been benched last year. porter is a soft LB.thats funny. if porter gets stuffed by somebody like j. ogden, he is "soft".

i heard this going back to the superbowl last year when he had a quiet game. of course he was going against w. jones and being chopped with a t.e.

even greg lloyd was absolutely manhandled by larry allen in the superbowl. but for them to not be pancaked on EVERY play is a testament to their toughness.

Atlanta Dan
01-24-2007, 10:06 AM
Harrison certainly is less expensive but with the lack of depth at OLB I do not know if the Steelers think the risk of letting Porter goes outweights the benefit of saving $6 million. Certainly expect to see lots more of Harrison in 2007.

After Harrison recovered from his high ankle sprain it is unfortunate Cowher would not play Harrison more on D rather than just special teams, although it now is clear Cowher did not give a damn about looking ahead to who might be playing in 2007. Smith got PT only because Troy was hurt.

Steeldude
01-24-2007, 10:15 AM
thats funny. if porter gets stuffed by somebody like j. ogden, he is "soft".

i heard this going back to the superbowl last year when he had a quiet game. of course he was going against w. jones and being chopped with a t.e.

even greg lloyd was absolutely manhandled by larry allen in the superbowl. but for them to not be pancaked on EVERY play is a testament to their toughness.


i didn't say he was soft for getting stuffed by ogden. but he is soft for getting stuffed by TEs and RBs repeatedly. he also shys away from direct hits. rather than lowering his shoulder to tackle a RB, he stands upright. i won't even mention his "gildon loop" :smile:

the so-called most feared man in football gets 55 tackles...lol. he even had a couple of games where he only registered a single assist. i know, i know, he was in coverage or being triple-teamed.

porter is nowhere near lloyd's class.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
01-24-2007, 01:31 PM
joey isn't going anywhere...but my guess is that this will be his last season in black and gold. as much as i like him, he runs his mouth too much for my style. when he's not in "attack" mode he becomes a very average linebacker. look for the steelers to address this via the draft or free agency this offseason. (and i'm still amazed how they stole farrior for next to nothing when they signed him).

coachspeak33
01-24-2007, 01:42 PM
Is it me or does it seem that we had a completely different defensive scheme when Lloyd was playing, very effectively I might add, OLB for us?

As opposed to our current scheme, which appeared this season to be more focused on blitzes coming up the middle. Meanwhile, "the most feared player in the NFL" drops back into zone coverage.

I know there are a lot of Joey bashers out there.... I am not one of them. But if this is how Lebeau/Tomlin plan on using their OLB then by all means cut ties w/ Joey, because no LB is worth 6 million per season to drop into zone coverage.

This is going to be one of the most interesting drafts for this organization in a long long time. And I think it will tell us a lot about what offseason FA moves we can expect.

OneForTheToe
01-24-2007, 03:12 PM
Greg Lloyd was a very good Lb'er, who became a monster of a Lb'er, when Kevin Greene started manning the other side of the field. Not to discount the talent of our Lb'er's, but the difference between this teams outside backers and Lloyd/Greene duo, is that Lloyd and Greene could get a pass rush even if the Steelers were not blitzing. Porter and company just don't have as much natural pass rushing talent. You can throw Chad Brown into that mix in the middle as well.

polamalufan43
01-24-2007, 03:14 PM
I'm skeptical with this too. I would like to see both of them, but that can't happen as of now. I think I'll wait till Training Camp and see. That's the most official way of looking at it at this point. As for Joey's contract, he might he the latest to holdout...

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

fansince'76
01-24-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm skeptical with this too. I would like to see both of them, but that can't happen as of now. I think I'll wait till Training Camp and see. That's the most official way of looking at it at this point. As for Joey's contract, he might he the latest to holdout...

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

I agree - and I think Tomlin should take the approach coming into his first training camp that everybody, with the exception of possibly WP and Taz, has to earn their spot. Yes, that includes Ben.

ChronoCross
01-24-2007, 04:05 PM
Porter if he wants a contract he better play out of his shoes this coming season. Porter plays against some of the best linemen in the game and of course he is going to have games with less production, teams practice to stop porter the week before the game. If he decides to hold out.. Cut em.. Harrison is ready. I will be happy with ether one in there.

And Ben fighting for his job now that is funny. Tomlin cannot wait to work with him.

Smith and Clark battle is a good one. Smith made some very impressive play and very hard hits for a rookie and looks like he will be a starter ether this year over Clark are next year for sure.

Lets hope they work on the offensive line.

polamalufan43
01-24-2007, 04:11 PM
Porter if he wants a contract he better play out of his shoes this coming season. Porter plays against some of the best linemen in the game and of course he is going to have games with less production, teams practice to stop porter the week before the game. If he decides to hold out.. Cut em.. Harrison is ready. I will be happy with ether one in there.

And Ben fighting for his job now that is funny. Tomlin cannot wait to work with him.

Smith and Clark battle is a good one. Smith made some very impressive play and very hard hits for a rookie and looks like he will be a starter ether this year over Clark are next year for sure.

Lets hope they work on the offensive line.

I think the saftey battle will depend on overall talent and who ever works best with Troy, because that was a big topic last year. Although some people might question the staffs choice with teh secondary performance last season.

Back to Porter and Harrison, they each have good qualities. However, they both have weakness that could make or break thier position. But these could be resolved, or even added to, during camp.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

fansince'76
01-24-2007, 04:16 PM
And Ben fighting for his job now that is funny. Tomlin cannot wait to work with him.

Please allow me to rephrase myself - I really want Tomlin to come in and be a firm disciplinarian more than anything else. Discipline was something sorely lacking in the '06 Steelers, let's face it.

polamalufan43
01-24-2007, 04:20 PM
Please allow me to rephrase myself - I really want Tomlin to come in and be a firm disciplinarian more than anything else. Discipline was something sorely lacking in the '06 Steelers, let's face it.

Hmmm, that's interesting. Tomlin is pretty young himself. So it will be interesting to see how he will be with discipline.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Infamix
01-24-2007, 04:22 PM
Please allow me to rephrase myself - I really want Tomlin to come in and be a firm disciplinarian more than anything else. Discipline was something sorely lacking in the '06 Steelers, let's face it.

your post is money since76. yes, our season was ruined by turnovers, but the root was lack of discipline.

fansince'76
01-24-2007, 04:24 PM
Hmmm, that's interesting. Tomlin is pretty young himself. So it will be interesting to see how he will be with discipline.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

As long as he can help eliminate the boneheaded celebration and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (which bailed quite a few of our opponents out of punting situations this year) - that's all I ask.

SteelersWoman
01-24-2007, 04:36 PM
As long as he can help eliminate the boneheaded celebration and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties (which bailed quite a few of our opponents out of punting situations this year) - that's all I ask.

Our guys DID do some of the things they were penalized for (and they weren't "right" in doing them--they should know better). However, I couldn't help but notice that during some of the same games WE were penalized for say... a roughing the passer--the other team could do the very same thing 9and even worse) and get away with it. That wasn't right either. If you call it on one team, call it on the other.

SteelerFanInTX210
01-24-2007, 09:08 PM
Greg Lloyd was a very good Lb'er, who became a monster of a Lb'er, when Kevin Greene started manning the other side of the field. Not to discount the talent of our Lb'er's, but the difference between this teams outside backers and Lloyd/Greene duo, is that Lloyd and Greene could get a pass rush even if the Steelers were not blitzing. Porter and company just don't have as much natural pass rushing talent. You can throw Chad Brown into that mix in the middle as well.

I have to comment on this because I dont think Joey has much help elsewhere. These days there has to be something else that an offense can focus on or a defensive playmaker will get shut down. Greg Lloyd had Kevin Greene. Porter has who........?? Haggans...please. James is very athletic and he IMO can play every LB position in the 3-4 i think they were going to put him in the middle during the season sometime. Why not put him opposite Porter? Defense was banged up this year too.

wv2kybohntr
01-24-2007, 09:32 PM
I agree - and I think Tomlin should take the approach coming into his first training camp that everybody, with the exception of possibly WP and Taz, has to earn their spot. Yes, that includes Ben.



I wholeheartedly agree that new blood in the coaching ranks forces everybody to earn their spot on the team. I don't see threats to Parker, Troy or Ben, but I do see the challenge to perform every day and a new coach that probably won't hesitate to pull Ben if he starts the season the way he did last year. I barely was able to survive the coaching search, not I have to wait on the draft and the season to start. It's going to be a great year for Steeler footbal and I already picked out my tattoo to commemorate the new coming of Black and Gold!

aburdell
01-24-2007, 10:19 PM
Does anybody think we will go to the 4-3 defense. I no Lebeau is still coordinator, but tomlin the new head coach is a 4-3 fan. there are ups and downs to this. Pros - our defensive line would be huge with hampton kiesel smith and hoke we would pressure the QB like crazy i think. Cons - our linebackers arent made for that scheme, they are good but they cant cover like say the bears backers can. another Con would be that could take away the effect of polamalu vs the run. This is kinda interesting because it was the 4-3 that won us 4 super bowls with non other than dick lebeau so what do you all think?

fansince'76
01-24-2007, 10:22 PM
Does anybody think we will go to the 4-3 defense. I no Lebeau is still coordinator, but tomlin the new head coach is a 4-3 fan. there are ups and downs to this. Pros - our defensive line would be huge with hampton kiesel smith and hoke we would pressure the QB like crazy i think. Cons - our linebackers arent made for that scheme, they are good but they cant cover like say the bears backers can. another Con would be that could take away the effect of polamalu vs the run. This is kinda interesting because it was the 4-3 that won us 4 super bowls with non other than dick lebeau so what do you all think?

I think alot of folks around here (myself included) would like to see Tomlin and LeBeau work out a hybrid 3-4/4-3 with multiple sets, kinda like the Ratbirds have.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
01-24-2007, 10:25 PM
the zone blitz is only as good as your db's...face it, the steelers corners didn't play too well this season. when the cb's are suspect the lb's look bad. the strength of this defense, this past season, was the d-line.

ike taylor needs to re-establish himself and i look for mcfadden to show up big...this teams biggest weakness, under tomlin could now become their biggest strength. when that happens the lb's will look like all pro's again.

OneForTheToe
01-25-2007, 01:10 AM
I have to comment on this because I dont think Joey has much help elsewhere. These days there has to be something else that an offense can focus on or a defensive playmaker will get shut down. Greg Lloyd had Kevin Greene. Porter has who........?? Haggans...please. James is very athletic and he IMO can play every LB position in the 3-4 i think they were going to put him in the middle during the season sometime. Why not put him opposite Porter? Defense was banged up this year too.

Actually, I agree with the above post.

Steeldude
01-25-2007, 08:07 AM
I have to comment on this because I dont think Joey has much help elsewhere. These days there has to be something else that an offense can focus on or a defensive playmaker will get shut down. Greg Lloyd had Kevin Greene. Porter has who........?? Haggans...please. James is very athletic and he IMO can play every LB position in the 3-4 i think they were going to put him in the middle during the season sometime. Why not put him opposite Porter? Defense was banged up this year too..

i see it the other way around. haggans has no help from the opposite side. porter flailing around and doing the gildon loop isn't going to help. you could have reggie white opposite porter and he will still be nothing more than an average LB on a good day. stick a fork in him.

the steelers have 4 very average starting LBs. time to upgrade.