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3 to be 4
01-24-2007, 08:24 PM
Belichick, the coach and de facto GM who has led the Patriots to 5 division titles, 3 Conference Championships, 3 Super Bowl Championships and a 87-39 record in 7 seasons with the Patriots is a terrible guy because he gives lousy interviews.

Bill Cowher, taking a page from Bill Parcells, having won his Super Bowl, knows he's going to be leaving after one more season, so with one eye towards a year off with his family in North Carolina, guides the team he knows he's leaving to an 8-8 record, leaving it all behind to be a familiy man, while everyone knows he'll be back as soon as the right situation and the right money opens up in Carolina or Washington, maybe even Dallas.
What a guy!!!!!!!!!!
of course, Parcells did that to the Patriots, half assing it in SB 31 because his mind was in New York, and he was hated for it.

Fine, Belichick is evil and horrible. Cowher is a prince.

How did you like your 8-8 season? And how will you enjoy seeing his press conference when he tells the Panther fans "I feel like Im finally home"

Cant wait.

tony hipchest
01-24-2007, 08:33 PM
'chick sunk the browns and quit on the jets. his lousy interviews is one of his better qualities. pioli is the defacto gm.

'chick is worse.

but i will give you this. brady is a notch above kordell, odonnell, tomzac, graham, miller, and maddox!

fansince'76
01-24-2007, 08:39 PM
but i will give you this. brady is a notch above kordell, odonnell, tomzac, graham, miller, and maddox!

A notch? More like in a completely different league....

3 to be 4
01-24-2007, 08:43 PM
'chick sunk the browns and quit on the jets. his lousy interviews is one of his better qualities. pioli is the defacto gm.

'chick is worse.

but i will give you this. brady is a notch above kordell, odonnell, tomzac, graham, miller, and maddox!

c'mon Tony, there is playing devils advocate and there is just being off the wall.

MODELL sunk the Browns. Belichick was never the coach of the Jets. And he sure hasnt "quit" on the Patriots like Cowher coasted through 2006.

tony hipchest
01-24-2007, 08:52 PM
c'mon Tony, there is playing devils advocate and there is just being off the wall.

MODELL sunk the Browns. Belichick was never the coach of the Jets. And he sure hasnt "quit" on the Patriots like Cowher coasted through 2006.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/01/03/parcells_belichick/

he quit after 1 whole day on the job. what a guy! (nothing off the wall about that) hes a quitter just like his mentor. the pats day will come to find that out.

Philcox over kosar? lol.

im curious how ol 'chick would handle a qb in a near death motorcycle accident. would his losses be considered "coasting" like they were in 2002?

3 to be 4
01-24-2007, 10:26 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/01/03/parcells_belichick/

he quit after 1 whole day on the job. what a guy! (nothing off the wall about that) hes a quitter just like his mentor. the pats day will come to find that out.

Philcox over kosar? lol.

im curious how ol 'chick would handle a qb in a near death motorcycle accident. would his losses be considered "coasting" like they were in 2002?

you mean the 9-7 team that wasnt nearly as talented as the 2006 Steelers? He changed his mind about the Jets job because he didnt want to be a stand-in for Parcells anymore.

so what? hes been with New England for 7 years. He hasnt quit on them. Cowher quit on the Steelers to set himself up close to home. Why didnt Cowher just retire on top after the SB win and let the team move on instead of doing this the whole year?

tony hipchest
01-24-2007, 11:26 PM
Why didnt Cowher just retire on top after the SB win and let the team move on instead of doing this the whole year?why didnt belichick just decline the job if he was gonna quit in 24 hours?

7 years huh? looks like hes almost half way there. it looks like its heart attack or bust for him to make it through 8 more seasons to match the great bill cowher. how old is 'chick? it looks like his career is winding down right when cowher is hitting his prime. seems like cowher still has a few more superbowls in him, tons of money and commercials to be made, and a lucrative career in telivision when he finally decides to call it quits. all that AND a happy family life? boy, it sucks to be him. im almost ashamed to say i rooted for him.

anyways, didnt that 9-7 team led by belichick and pioli, have brady, vinatieri, bruschi, law, seymour, milloy, and mcginnest as the sub standard talent you speak of? a team that won 3 sb's? your right. no talent. which proves what the nfl fans of 31 other teams think. it was all conspiracy, luck, and the refs that pulled the pats out of that massive letdown of a season their coach turned in in 2002.

Livinginthe past
01-24-2007, 11:56 PM
I dont know.....Belichicks eyebrows were awfully knotted in that interview, and Cowher did have the good grace to interview well after he got short changed by Rooney..

Tough choice to be honest.

NM

tony hipchest
01-25-2007, 12:17 AM
I dont know.....Belichicks eyebrows were awfully knotted in that interview, and Cowher did have the good grace to interview well after he got short changed by Rooney..

Tough choice to be honest.

NMlol. well rooney did offer 6.5 mil/year (i think cowher was worth more, personally) . cowher obviously was in good enough position to walk away from that since he actually has a familly to walk away to.

how much does 'chick make?

hardwork
01-25-2007, 12:41 AM
Belichick, 7 years with the Pats, 3 SB victories.

Cowher, more then twice as many years with the Steelers, one third the SB victories.

Clearly Belichick is the bigger a**hole from a liberal, communist, steelers fever, socialist, workers of the world unite, steel union, perspective. However, we live in a Republic.

fansince'76
01-25-2007, 12:43 AM
Clearly Belichick is the bigger a**hole from a liberal, communist, steelers fever, socialist, workers of the world unite, steel union, perspective. However, we live in a Republic.

Pot...meet kettle. This coming from a resident of Bleeding Heart, Mass. :rolleyes:

tony hipchest
01-25-2007, 12:54 AM
Belichick, 7 years with the Pats, 3 SB victories.

Cowher, more then twice as many years with the Steelers, one third the SB victories.

Clearly Belichick is the bigger a**hole from a liberal, communist, steelers fever, socialist, workers of the world unite, steel union, perspective. However, we live in a Republic.
belichick - slaves to win rings his boss can hand over to the enemy

cowher- a true capitalist. a true american.

advantage: cowher

X-Terminator
01-25-2007, 01:20 AM
Welp...here's another candidate thread for the Blast Furnace...

stlrtruck
01-25-2007, 08:34 AM
Let's see 'Chick acting like an idiot and putting a negative spin on my franchise vs. Cowher, a blue collar man for a blue collar town, leading by example for his entire career in Pittsburgh.

Was last year a great ending? Nope, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Let's see 'Chick ruins one team (the clowns), stands on the fence for another (the jets), and finally takes over in New England.

'Chick wins when he's got a talented team set for him. What is he going to do now that the talent is starting to leave town? Will he be able to do what Cowher did in Pittsburgh and find that no-name player to take over?

Cowher year after year kept his team fighting, found the players to fit into the system and continued to win without shining a negative light on the franchise.

Advantage - COWHER!

HometownGal
01-25-2007, 02:41 PM
Both Cowher and Belischmuck have had much success in the NFL and no matter what we think of either one or both, that fact can't be denied.

There was a reason Cowher was the HC of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 15 seasons and it wasn't just his pretty face - he was a players' coach who treated his players well - like family- and motivated them to perform at their highest level. Just ask Willie Parker if anyone needs further proof - he gives Cowher the total credit for giving him a chance in the NFL. Players who signed with the Steelers as FAs were happy to come here to play not only for a well-respected and successful franchise, but for Bill Cowher. Several of our coaches in the past have interviewed for their dream of becoming a HC, but opted to stay on Bill Cowher's staff. Cowher respected his players (as well as his staff) not only as athletes and peers, but as men.

On the other hand, Belischmuck lost his top two coords, Romeo and Charlie Weis, in the same season. Last season, Mangini left to pursue his HC'ing dream. The Pats have lost more players to FA over the last few seasons than I believe any other NFL franchise. Sure the dollars play into these defections but I also believe that other than Tom Brady (who Belischmuck is smart enough to know is the top reason for his 3 SB wins), Belischmuck does not respect his players (or his coaches) as MEN. Mangini may be the exception here, as he has a long history with Belischmuck going back to when he was a ball boy with the Browns when "the genius" *cough* *choke* was the HC. You could always see and feel the unity and comradery among Cowher-led teams - I can't honestly say that I've ever seen that same unity/comradery among the Pats.

Seems a little odd to me that the Pats lost both their DC and OC after the 2004 season and Crennel's replacement DC after the 2005 season and they haven't been back to the SB. Coincidence? Maybe, but I would highly doubt it. BB is a pompous, arrogant ass who rode the coattails of some excellent coords and some very talented athletes. If Tom Brady ever leaves the Pats, I'd say BB is fooked.

Big D
01-25-2007, 02:56 PM
Belichick, the coach and de facto GM who has led the Patriots to 5 division titles, 3 Conference Championships, 3 Super Bowl Championships and a 87-39 record in 7 seasons with the Patriots is a terrible guy because he gives lousy interviews.

Bill Cowher, taking a page from Bill Parcells, having won his Super Bowl, knows he's going to be leaving after one more season, so with one eye towards a year off with his family in North Carolina, guides the team he knows he's leaving to an 8-8 record, leaving it all behind to be a familiy man, while everyone knows he'll be back as soon as the right situation and the right money opens up in Carolina or Washington, maybe even Dallas.
What a guy!!!!!!!!!!
of course, Parcells did that to the Patriots, half assing it in SB 31 because his mind was in New York, and he was hated for it.

Fine, Belichick is evil and horrible. Cowher is a prince.

How did you like your 8-8 season? And how will you enjoy seeing his press conference when he tells the Panther fans "I feel like Im finally home"

Cant wait.
oh boy here we go again. Another freaking patriot fan slobbing all over belichick. Well i'll help you out with something.
Have to disagree with you. Belichick was 36-44 during his time here in cleveland. And 41-55 before brady.

looks like without brady belichick would probably be another nfl coach that couldnt make it. As tony mentioned belichick didnt get to work with guys like o'donnell stewart, graham and maddox. I promise my fellow steeler fans I lived in boston and not all patriot fans as are ignorant as the patriot fans we have on this board.

Livinginthe past
01-25-2007, 03:23 PM
Both Cowher and Belischmuck have had much success in the NFL and no matter what we think of either one or both, that fact can't be denied.

Huzzah...and then there was...sanity :cheers:

There was a reason Cowher was the HC of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 15 seasons and it wasn't just his pretty face - he was a players' coach who treated his players well - like family- and motivated them to perform at their highest level. Just ask Willie Parker if anyone needs further proof - he gives Cowher the total credit for giving him a chance in the NFL. Players who signed with the Steelers as FAs were happy to come here to play not only for a well-respected and successful franchise, but for Bill Cowher. Several of our coaches in the past have interviewed for their dream of becoming a HC, but opted to stay on Bill Cowher's staff. Cowher respected his players (as well as his staff) not only as athletes and peers, but as men.

Not sure about the pretty face bit, slobbering bulldog maybe.

Cowher always has been a superb talent spotter or at least he was superb at relying on the instincts of his scouting crew - either way, its something i've always praised him for.

Cowher, is without a doubt, a players coach - the guys look up to him and fight for him because he is a good guy.

Coach Dungy is also a nice guy who inspires his players to perform to keep him happy.

However, there is probably a reason that Army Generals aren't on familiar terms with their players - you know what familiarity can breed.

On the other hand, Belischmuck lost his top two coords, Romeo and Charlie Weis, in the same season. Last season, Mangini left to pursue his HC'ing dream. The Pats have lost more players to FA over the last few seasons than I believe any other NFL franchise. Sure the dollars play into these defections but I also believe that other than Tom Brady (who Belischmuck is smart enough to know is the top reason for his 3 SB wins), Belischmuck does not respect his players (or his coaches) as MEN. Mangini may be the exception here, as he has a long history with Belischmuck going back to when he was a ball boy with the Browns when "the genius" *cough* *choke* was the HC. You could always see and feel the unity and comradery among Cowher-led teams - I can't honestly say that I've ever seen that same unity/comradery among the Pats.

Belichick does not get emotionally attached to his players, they are merely pawns in the chess game he plays on sundays.

Belichick respects his players for being...players...yep for being what they are paid to do.

If they want 'touchy, feely' they've all got wives and girlfriends.

As for Patriot teams having 'no comradery' ...well....I dont know where to begin - why do the Patriots give 100% on the field?

Their will to win has been a huge factor in their recent successes - its surely hasnt been from an abundance of pro-bowl talent in every position is it?

Its been said a million times, in a million articles - there may be better, more talented groups of players in the NFL than the Patriots these past few years - but for the most part they have been unsurpassed as a team.

Seems a little odd to me that the Pats lost both their DC and OC after the 2004 season and Crennel's replacement DC after the 2005 season and they haven't been back to the SB. Coincidence? Maybe, but I would highly doubt it. BB is a pompous, arrogant ass who rode the coattails of some excellent coords and some very talented athletes. If Tom Brady ever leaves the Pats, I'd say BB is fooked.

Maybe you really believe this, I dont know.

To me its just like the people who only praise Brady in order to diminish Belichick and vice versa - people were the doing the very opposite up until 2004/05.

I would submit that, with a pair of green co-ords, and a boat load of FA losses and injuries to key players that Belichick (with help of course) led the Patriots to the brink of yet another SB.

Sure, I guess some would value a 4 point loss in an away fixture at the AFCCG stage as failure - thats a sign how far this organisation has come.

I'll tell you that 31 other teams would kill for the same level of failure over the last 5 years, and that 28 teams would have done the same this year.

NM