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BB2W
08-16-2005, 01:21 PM
I am really pulling for Nate Washington, I hope he makes the team.... at least the practice squad. He looked good in camp when I was there, and he obviously looked good last night.

Washington is from a small school near where I live called Tiffin. and a lot of my high schools best athletes go to play there. Nate owns nearly every team record, and many conference and division recieving records. He rewrote the Dragon's receiving record book.....

Washington is the record-holder for receiving yards in a career (4,214), touchdown receptions in a career (47), receptions in a career (212), receptions in a game (13), receiving yards in a game (299), receptions in a season (70), receiving yards in a season (1,428) and touchdown receptions in a season (16).

"He's the best player to ever play at Tiffin University," Dragons coach Nate Cole told the Toledo Blade. "He's probably one of the best wide receivers ever to play at the Division II level. He was just unbelievable as far as playing at this level."

rowedf
08-16-2005, 01:27 PM
Cowher had good things to say about him, but I just dont know if he can make more than the practice squad, unless he shines on special teams....I really think they'll keep morey on the team for that. That leaves Cobb and Washington to choose for a 6th WR. You know Ward, Randle El, Wilson, Gibson, should be the four WR's, then I feel Morey gets a spot based on Special Teams alone...so between Cobb and Washington I think, its nice to have competition like that.

Prosdo
08-16-2005, 01:32 PM
Washington did look good when I was at camp as well. I would like to see him stay around. I think for this year he could make the practice squad. I don't think he will break any higher or atleast not for right now.

BB2W
08-16-2005, 02:00 PM
Cowher had good things to say about him, but I just dont know if he can make more than the practice squad, unless he shines on special teams....I really think they'll keep morey on the team for that. That leaves Cobb and Washington to choose for a 6th WR. You know Ward, Randle El, Wilson, Gibson, should be the four WR's, then I feel Morey gets a spot based on Special Teams alone...so between Cobb and Washington I think, its nice to have competition like that.

Walter Young is in the mix at WR as well. He has had a good camp and is the biggest receiver on the team.

I am sick of all the specialists on our roster. It is always like this.... I think Cowher just likes these guys and thinks they are valuable because that is all his NFL career amounted too, was a good special teamer. it is a joke, does any other team have 4 specialist not including kickers or punters (Chidi, Morey, Kriewaldt, Schneck). This is ridiculous he might as well bring in a fifth QB that cant play lick, but is a great holder.

Do you guys think that Ike, McFadden, and Rian Wallace for example, couldn't run down the feild and hit, or tackle someone just as well if not better than these specialists?

I think it is a wasted spot.... I relize that a guy playing in Morey's #5 WR spot, or Chidi's #5 CB spot would make little impact and barely see the feild in 2006. Cowher is getting more out of the roster spot in 06 by using Morey, but I think we lose out on guys that could be special, but need a few seasons to blossom.

clevestinks
08-16-2005, 02:16 PM
Don`t know if there is room for him on the active roster right now. But he does impress me.

bigbensgirl7
08-16-2005, 03:06 PM
A guy I work with played with him in college and he told us to watch out for him. I was very impressed with what I saw from him last night.

Friday133
08-16-2005, 03:36 PM
i would cut schneck to be able to keep an extra WR this year. he is by far the biggest waste of a roster spot for the team.

SteelR1
08-16-2005, 03:38 PM
I wish there was room for him on the roster, he's certainly impressive!!!!!!!!!

VaDave
08-16-2005, 03:49 PM
Ya know, when you start picking out which player has to go, and you hate to part with any of them (Alonzo the main exception), that means your scouting department and team executives (Collbert) are doing a pretty good job.

As I was watching the game last night I kept thinking this team has a boatload of young talent developing that's going to to keep us very competitive for years to come. I haven't been this impressed since the 70's.

clevestinks
08-16-2005, 06:05 PM
i would cut schneck to be able to keep an extra WR this year. he is by far the biggest waste of a roster spot for the team.

You`ve got to be joking. A long snapper is a must. And he is a damn good one.

SteelR1
08-16-2005, 06:55 PM
Ya know, when you start picking out which player has to go, and you hate to part with any of them (Alonzo the main exception), that means your scouting department and team executives (Collbert) are doing a pretty good job.

As I was watching the game last night I kept thinking this team has a boatload of young talent developing that's going to to keep us very competitive for years to come. I haven't been this impressed since the 70's.



I was thinking that when I was watching the game. The depth of talent is AWESOME!!!!!!!

24seven
08-16-2005, 07:05 PM
to bad we'll probably lose about half of them in free agency.. We seem to always get good players but we can never hold on to them for very long before the players realize that they ARE good and want to start.....even if it means leaving...

VaDave
08-16-2005, 08:55 PM
24,

I think we do a fairly good job hanging on to the ones we want to keep. We did have a spell in the mid 90's where that was the case, but name one in the last 5 years that really hurt us. We have a bunch coming up though, Hampton, Haynes ( if he makes the club, Herron was lookin' pretty good), ARE, to name a few that could help you with your case. Hopefully we can keep them.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-16-2005, 11:42 PM
Schneck is relatively cheap as his cap number goes, and he's the best long snapper in the league. The last thing we need to worry about is the snap on a gimme game winning field goal..or a crucial punt from our own endzone.

I think Washington has a chance, but its crowded. the most WR's we will keep is 6, at the most. Hines, El, Wilson, Gibson, and behind that its a crap shoot for Washington, cobb, and mays. Yah right now I think Gibson has the upper hand on Mays, IF and I say IF, he does well in camp. Either way I think he makes the team. and the odd man out will probably still make the practice squad. Unless cobb really stinks up the joint, he's got a good shot.

redst3
08-17-2005, 06:02 AM
Based on one game you can not tell much. In my opinion, I would keep Washington around for a while at least and see what he can do vs. Mays. Mays has been around for a while now and has few big plays to show for it. On the other hand, he has been riding the bench in the fourth and fifth spot and that doesn't afford many opportunities.

I can?t remember the specific game, but I remember it was late in the year last year and Mays made a big play. He was either interfered with or he caught a long pass or something, but it was a good play. Also, Mays knows the system, and he may be able to step up and fill in for Plax.

I was deeply impressed with Mays and Gibson in the game.

rowedf
08-17-2005, 09:04 AM
Walter Young is in the mix at WR as well. He has had a good camp and is the biggest receiver on the team.

I am sick of all the specialists on our roster. It is always like this.... I think Cowher just likes these guys and thinks they are valuable because that is all his NFL career amounted too, was a good special teamer. it is a joke, does any other team have 4 specialist not including kickers or punters (Chidi, Morey, Kriewaldt, Schneck). This is ridiculous he might as well bring in a fifth QB that cant play lick, but is a great holder.


Sorry man but I think the above paragraph is ridiculous! First off, cowher is one of the most successful coaches in the league, and YOUR ridiculing his coaching decisions and tactics.....do you think maybe the way he does things is WHY he is this successful???

Second of all, look at who your calling specialists and what they do.

chidi, we had very little depth at corner for the last couple seasons, he excels on special teams.....I wouldn't call that strictly a specialist.

Morey He is a specialist on special teams and a GREAT one, he was the captain in Philly, and YES every team does have a couple guys strictly for special teams.

Kriewaldt Just like chidi, we've had very little depth at linebacker. Kriewaldt does play pretty well on special teams but he also is an adequate backup MLB.

Schneck Now this just blew me away, are you kidding me? EVERY team needs a long snapper, its a very important position on a team, consider how many times the ball is snapped for punts, FG's, and extra points, then think about how important it is to have a "specialist" do that.

And you want to take away a specialist spot to have a 6th receiver maybe?? How many snaps would he play in a game? 1,2,3? A specialists is way more valuable to have that plays on every special team situation compared to a WR that might get into the game.

redst3
08-17-2005, 11:01 AM
Sorry to inject a little humor, but did any one else notice that the little guy wearing Number 80 looked like a shrunken down Plax? The first time he went in motion I was kind of laughing about it.

BB2W
08-17-2005, 02:45 PM
I knew there would be people to disagree with me on that one. :rolleyes:

I relize you must have a long snapper. I just mentioned Schneck to name the four specialists.

As far as the others..... Cowher always has these specialist and I think most Steelers fans would tell you that our punt and kick coverage has been below average under Bill. Teams have been returning punts and kicks on us for like 12 years. Last season was good, only giving up two but for the most part I would bet the Steelers rank in the bottom half of the NFL in punts/kicks returned for TD. Everytime we kick the ball I think it is going to be returned for a TD. So whats the point?

I have seen Sean Morey take horrible angles on coverage and not even touch the returner (Once Monday night vs. Phily). Don't be consumed by the "he's a great special teamer" talk. It is just another way of saying he's not good enough to start, or he can't do anything else. Cowher loves these guys because they are a reflection of his own career.

figg
08-17-2005, 11:00 PM
chidi, we had very little depth at corner for the last couple seasons, he excels on special teams.....I wouldn't call that strictly a specialist. Little depth at CB??? Scott,Williams,Taylor,Colclough,Townsend-Thats five solid from last year. This year we have Townsend,Williams,Colclough,Taylor,and McFadden. I dont think it's impossible he gets cut.

Morey He is a specialist on special teams and a GREAT one, he was the captain in Philly, and YES every team does have a couple guys strictly for special teams. He hasnt impressed me thus far. There had to be a reason why the Eagles(who were under the cap) cut him. If it came down to him and Chidi i'd take Chidi
Kriewaldt Just like chidi, we've had very little depth at linebacker. Kriewaldt does play pretty well on special teams but he also is an adequate backup MLB. The only reason he makes the team every year is because he has some pictures of Cowher lol. And lack of depth :busted: If it came down to him and Wallace i'd take Wallace.
Schneck Now this just blew me away, are you kidding me? EVERY team needs a long snapper, its a very important position on a team, consider how many times the ball is snapped for punts, FG's, and extra points, then think about how important it is to have a "specialist" do that. Yeah I wouldnt mess with this one either.

All these positions except Schneck is up for grabs imo.

figg
08-17-2005, 11:02 PM
Cowher loves these guys because they are a reflection of his own career.

You got that right. :cheers:

BB2W
08-18-2005, 12:32 AM
Morey He is a specialist on special teams and a GREAT one, he was the captain in Philly, and YES every team does have a couple guys strictly for special teams.

He hasnt impressed me thus far. There had to be a reason why the Eagles(who were under the cap) cut him. If it came down to him and Chidi i'd take Chidi

Yeah really..... if Sean Morey has such a big impact on special teams, and is worthy of a WR spot....

Who did Philly cut him for?..... Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, Greg Lewis, Billy McMullen, or Carlos Perez. :hunch:

BB2W
08-18-2005, 12:11 PM
Sorry for going off topic..... Where was I? :lost: Oh yeah, here is a bit from the Post on Nate Washington.


Washington impressive

Wide receiver Nate Washington probably practices in front of more fans at St. Vincent College than when he played at Division II Tiffin College, near Toledo, Ohio.

And he never had played in front of a crowd as large as the 57,276 who watched the preseason victory Monday night against the Eagles.

The crowd size, though, did not intimidate Washington, a rookie free agent. He led the Steelers with four catches for 76 yards, including a 33-yarder, and continued to impress the coaching staff.

"I was just trying to beat it in my head this was no different than college," Washington said. "I knew it wasn't, but I was just trying to beat it in my head, regardless of it all, that I still had to step on some grass, between four lines and play some football. At the end of the day, I was just trying to make my mind think it was just the same as any other game I played."

Washington did what he does best -- catch the ball. He set eight school records at Tiffin, a school known for soccer, including career receptions (212), yards (4,214) and touchdowns (47). He once caught 13 passes for 299 yards in one game.

Steelers scout Phil Kreidler watched several of Washington's games on film and never saw him a drop a pass. Not bad for a player who never received any Division I offers while playing wide receiver and defensive back in high school in Toledo.

"Hard work pays off," said Washington, who is 6-1, 195 pounds. "I definitely developed later. I worked hard every day. I studied a lot of film -- that's what I do, I love watching film, that's my thing -- and I watched the guys who have been down the road that I'm trying to get down."

Washington could make the team as a possible fifth receiver, but he is more than likely destined to be a practice-squad player. Nonetheless, he decided to sign with the Steelers because he appreciated the way he was treated by the organization.

"I really came here because I felt the best love here," Washington said. "These are genuine people in this area, and I like Pittsburgh a lot. They treated me good when I was here on a visit and when I came here in minicamp they treated me real well. I was excited about coming here."

rowedf
08-18-2005, 02:02 PM
Yeah really..... if Sean Morey has such a big impact on special teams, and is worthy of a WR spot....

Who did Philly cut him for?..... Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, Greg Lewis, Billy McMullen, or Carlos Perez. :hunch:


Actually, when Morey was cut, 14 other Eagles were cut the same day. So to say he was cut so they could keep Pinkston, Mitchell, Lewis, McMullen, or Perez is a reach. Another quote from the article that announced he was cut was:

"Morey was a mild surprise, earning MVP honors while finishing second on the Eagles with 28 special-teams tackles. He played all 16 games and returned seven kicks for a 13.3-yard average."

I just disagree with you that a 6th receiver spot is more valuable than a special teams ace. It would be great if that guy could perform both jobs, but if I had to choose a guy that MIGHT play a down or two in a game or a guy that will get a couple tackles on special teams.....I'd take the later.

BB2W
08-18-2005, 02:57 PM
I just disagree with you that a 6th receiver spot is more valuable than a special teams ace. It would be great if that guy could perform both jobs, but if I had to choose a guy that MIGHT play a down or two in a game or a guy that will get a couple tackles on special teams.....I'd take the later.
I never said he was more valuable. In fact, I said quite the opposite.....

I think it is a wasted spot.... I relize that a guy playing in Morey's #5 WR spot, or Chidi's #5 CB spot would make little impact and barely see the feild in 2006. Cowher is getting more out of the roster spot in 06 by using Morey, but I think we lose out on guys that could be special, but need a few seasons to blossom.
A guy like Washington may not make an impact in 2006, but what about next season when El and Lee Mays are free-agents. It might be nice to have a guy that dressed for games, played with the 53 man roster, and actually got some snaps and experience.

You can't honestly beleive that there is noone else on our team that can play special teams, and run down the feild and tackle someone. Teams find new guys to do that every year..... much like the Eagles did. It is not necessary to have 6 specialists on your 53 man roster.

rowedf
08-19-2005, 12:31 PM
You can't honestly beleive that there is noone else on our team that can play special teams, and run down the feild and tackle someone. Teams find new guys to do that every year..... much like the Eagles did. It is not necessary to have 6 specialists on your 53 man roster.

And look how steller the Eagles special teams looked Monday night. I'm not saying keep 6 specialist. As I see it, we have 2 "Specialists" Schneck and Morey, the rest that have been mentioned are adequate backups at their positions.

BB2W
08-19-2005, 02:11 PM
More good Nate Washington news.....


Nate Washington, the pride of Tiffin University, continues to be the Cinderella story of training camp.

Thursday when addressing the intense competition at wide receiver, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher singled out Washington, an undrafted free agent out of Tiffin, Ohio.

The Steelers will likely keep six wide receivers. Four of them already have job security - Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle El, Cedrick Wilson and rookie Fred Gibson, a fourth-round draft pick.

That means eight others are fighting for two roster spots.

"Nate Washington, right now, has probably been the one guy who's been the most consistent player," Cowher said. "Lee Mays and Walter Young have missed some practice time (due to injuries), so if there's one player who has seized his opportunity, it's been Nate Washington."

bigbensgirl7
08-19-2005, 07:24 PM
I couldn't be more pleased with that. The things I am hearing from Nate's friend makes this guy an ideal guy to keep around. He tells me he has a great head on his shoulders, and great work ethics-just what the Steelers like!

slashsteel
08-20-2005, 12:30 AM
I am thinking we keep 6.

Ward
EL
Wilson
Gibson
Nate Washington
Morey

with Cobb on the PS.

rowedf
08-20-2005, 01:04 AM
Don't get me wrong guys, I like Nate Washington, from the little that I / we know of him, he is a good ball player, my arguements were that Morey is worth keeping around for the other things he can do. I'd love for Washington AND Cobb to make the team, but that I just don't see happening. I just hope we can keep both Washington and Cobb both either on the roster or practice squad.