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83-Steelers-43
02-15-2007, 11:34 AM
As I've stated in the past, I know absolutely nothing when it comes to NASCAR. But this story catched my eye this morning on ESPN. Tony, maybe you can help me out here. Did Waltrip's crew chief supposedly mixed some type of "liquid" in with the fuel, correct? What was it exactly and how would it give him the upperhand over other racers? Also, has this happened before in NASCAR?

Waltrip fallout tough, but Duel chance still there: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/columns/story?seriesId=2&columnist=blount_terry&id=2766041

tony hipchest
02-15-2007, 12:32 PM
this is a great story and shows the lenghts these engineers will go through to gain an edge.

this has never been seen before in nascar.

at 1st i hear it was a type of sterno gel (you know the stuff they burn to keep pans of food warm) then i heard it was straight up jet fuel. i guess both are in gel form and can be smeared onto a surface.

well they smeared some jet fuel on the inside of the intake manifold, :sofunny: that way it would melt into the gasoline right before it was ignited, thus giving more horsepower. this tactic wouldnt do much for a whole race but it was being used for the qualifying engine where they only run the car for 2 laps to see whos fastest and who starts up front for sundays race. its almost a miracle they got caught. them nascar inspectors are always 1 step behind the engineers, so they literally cant leave any stone unturned.

michael waltrip is with a new team this year and one of the few teams that will be driving a camry in toyotas inaugural season in nascar. he is not guraneed to even make it into the race so it is understandable where the people in the shop would try to gain an edge. this stuff goes on with every team in every garage, cause like they say in nascar "if you aint cheatin' you aint tryin."

and they will try anything. a few years ago jeff gordon was accused of soaking all his tires in huge baths of ether to give them better grip on the track.

83-Steelers-43
02-15-2007, 12:35 PM
Ahh, I see.

Follow up question. Are these racers (Waltrip and Gordon) aware of what what's going on with the crew chiefs? In other words, are they in on it or do the crew chiefs go behind their backs and try to pull it off?

tony hipchest
02-15-2007, 12:55 PM
Ahh, I see.

Follow up question. Are these racers (Waltrip and Gordon) aware of what what's going on with the crew chiefs? In other words, are they in on it or do the crew chiefs go behind their backs and try to pull it off?everything ive heard, says waltrip woulda had no idea that was going on. this is something that probably wouldve taken place away from the garage at the track. probably back at the home shop in n. carolina.

it depends on the driver too. some of the new drivers know nothing about a car but to turn it on, buckle up and work the pedals and the wheels. other drivers such as rusty wallace (espn's main analyst) was a shock specialist, who would build and work on his own parts for individual races. im sure darrell waltrip knew they used to use an extra 4 feet of tubing or an expandable fuel cell, so that their car would hold more gas than the rest of the competition.

but nascar today has become so technical and specialized, and the drivers are off doing commercials, practice, or speaking engagements, they have no idea if an aerodynamic specialist is altering the shape of the body an 1/8th of an inch to try and pick up 2/10ths of a mph. sometimes thats the difference of starting a race 1st or 20th, and many times the difference between winning and losing.

whats lost in all of this and very under rated is what a team sport nascar is. on the surface it really seems like an individual event with some dude and his car, but the people who build the cars and make them go fast are like coordinators who have to put in a gameplan for every team they face. thats why they will build a seperate car for almost every different track.

Fire Haley
02-15-2007, 08:03 PM
Mikey raced his way into the 500. He's annoying, but a good guy.

Matt will start 12th on Sun.
He motored through the field in the 2nd Duel after starting last. Ran 2nd till the last turn when Stremme bumped Jeffy into the lead and we got shuffled....finished 5th. All is well.

Jeffy had a problem in post-race inspection...uh-oh, something under the car...air deflector? shock mount?
Oh - it's the #24? Nevermind- nothing to see here - move along.


p.s. New paint is sweet

http://www.mattkenseth.com/photos/2007/Paint/Carhartt2007Car.jpg

Suitanim
02-15-2007, 08:12 PM
Hey Spike.

Congrats to Jeff Gordon on his win, since it is just the most experienced and best draft race car driver winning, you know?

Or is there another conspiracy?

Fire Haley
02-15-2007, 09:35 PM
ahem...

Who says cheaters never win?

Reid Spencer / Special to FOXSports.com


"After winning the second Gatorade Duel 150, Jeff Gordon was relegated to the 42nd starting position for Sunday's Daytona 500 after his car failed post-race inspection. Gordon's car was found to be roughly an inch too low, the result of what NASCAR characterized as an unintentional misalignment of a bolt and shock mount."

Fire Haley
02-15-2007, 10:13 PM
Or is there another conspiracy?

Nothing to see here Suit...it was "unintentional" as determined by the NASCAR Psychics.



Gordon's winning car fails Duels inspection
Will start 42nd in Daytona 500 because of infraction

By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
February 15, 2007
08:05 PM EST

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Jeff Gordon's winning racecar in Thursday's Gatorade Duels 150 qualifying race failed post-race inspection, dropping him from fourth to 42nd on the starting grid for Sunday's Daytona 500.

Gordon's car was deemed "close to an inch" too low, according to NASCAR officials, due to the fact that a bolt on the shock fastener was misaligned.

"We're sure this wasn't intentional," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president of competition.

No fines or point deductions will be assessed to the No. 24 team, according to Pemberton.

Despite the infraction, Gordon still goes into the record books as the qualifying race winner.

Suitanim
02-16-2007, 05:03 PM
No mention of the fact that it was mistake? And that NASCAR actually considered the car unsafe?

"We feel it was unintentional, and actually fairly unsafe," said NASCAR competition director Robin Pemberton. "We feel that it was a part failure, and we feel that it was unintentionally done. I think it would be marginal at best if there was any advantage."

I doubt a newly married man with a kid on the way would be doctoring his car in a way that might make him crash just to win a non-points race.

Anyway, glad to see the silly season is back.

tony hipchest
02-16-2007, 05:25 PM
i felt good about kurt bush's chances this weekend till i seen all the lenghts everyone else will go through to cheat and win. i really think hes gonna have to punt somebody to pull it off (stewart or johnson maybe?).

it looks like it could be a really competitive race, but in the end, it seems the chevys still have that extra gear to go to.

tony hipchest
02-16-2007, 09:26 PM
Ahh, I see.

Follow up question. Are these racers (Waltrip and Gordon) aware of what what's going on with the crew chiefs? In other words, are they in on it or do the crew chiefs go behind their backs and try to pull it off? i thought you might like to see a little perspective on this as opposed to how nfl teams (particularly the bungles) handle such situations. remember how albert haynesworth was applauded for being "contrite"?


heres some words you will NEVER hear mike brown say in regards of his organization and employees:

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/02/15/mwaltrip.toyota.backing/1.html

A couple hours after being informed of NASCAR's decision, Waltrip issued a statement that disassociated himself and his organization, not from personal responsibility, but from any knowledge of the act.

"This is not the action of an organization, a manufacturer or a sponsor -- this was an independent act done without consent or authorization from me or any of my executive management team," Waltrip said in the statement. "As an owner, I realize I am ultimately held responsible for the actions of my employees, therefore I accept the penalties issued [Wednesday] by NASCAR."

Aust said any appeals of the penalties or decisions to terminate employees were Michael Waltrip Racing's responsibility. Thursday morning, Waltrip said he would wait for the investigation to play out before he made that decision.

"In the past 12 months, Michael Waltrip Racing has hired more than 150 people and we currently employ more than 200," Waltrip said. "Although we have grown at an accelerated pace, it has been our mission to hire people with high moral value and character to properly represent our sponsors and our ownership.

"During preparations for the 2007 season and especially the 2007 Daytona 500, I specifically requested that our competition teams not disrespect NASCAR, our competitors or our sponsors by blatantly circumventing the rules.

"I respect NASCAR's rules, its people and the sport's integrity, which is why I am so sad and embarrassed. I am dedicated to get to the bottom of this because I will not let the independent act of an individual or individuals tarnish the incredible accomplishment my organization has made to be where we are today."

Waltrip in a Thursday morning news conference said he had considered withdrawing his No. 55 Camry from the day's Gatorade Duel qualifying race for the Daytona 500, but declined. Waltrip later raced his way into his 21st consecutive 500 by finishing ninth in his race, the first go-or-go-home driver.

He also fields Nextel Cup Camrys for Dale Jarrett, who is a guaranteed starter thanks to his past champion status, and rookie David Reutimann; a Camry in the Busch Series for Reutimann; and a Toyota Tundra in the Craftsman Truck Series for Tyler Walker.

Waltrip was extremely contrite in his morning briefing and expressed the same concern in his statement Wednesday night.

"I want to apologize to the other owners," Waltrip said, "who know how hard I've worked to get here in such a short period of time, NASCAR, Toyota, NAPA, all my sponsors, the drivers and especially the fans."



you mightve seen the clip on sportscenter where he felt especially bad when his 9 year old girl asked why daddy got in trouble for cheating.

83-Steelers-43
02-21-2007, 11:00 AM
Very interesting read Tony. Thanks. Have another one for you....

In football, a player get's caught using steroids, he's suspended. Dirty hit (stomping on the head), he's suspended.

Is there ever a time when a racer actually receives a suspension? Putting certain fuel in the tank or an event that is deemed improper by NASCAR?

tony hipchest
02-21-2007, 08:03 PM
Very interesting read Tony. Thanks. Have another one for you....

In football, a player get's caught using steroids, he's suspended. Dirty hit (stomping on the head), he's suspended.

Is there ever a time when a racer actually receives a suspension? Putting certain fuel in the tank or an event that is deemed improper by NASCAR?several drivers have gotten dwi's and have been put on "probation". it rarely ever happens again. if its a team infraction (such as waltrips deal) the team is penalized, however if it is an individual driver infraction, that driver is definitely penalized as an individual.

several years ago a young up n comer, kevin grubb, was busted smoking pot, nascar actually has drug testing but you have to be narced on or tipped off before they will actually test you. he was positive and suspended the rest of the year. either him or youngster shayne hmeil were busted twice. they will never get a ride in the big leagues again. by that i mean the busch series or even craftsman truck series (nascars version of AAA or AAAA minor leagues) with just 43 teams in the big leagues every week, and as many talented drivers there are, there is no leash, and the collar is VERY tight.

kevin harvick (the winner of the 500) was suspended for one race about 2-3 years ago for going after greg biffle after a race and grabbing him by the collar of his firesuit with both fists and causing quite a scuffle amongst opposing teams. it was great stuff. he ran at biffles car, jumped on it, ran over it and did a wwe move leaping out at biffle.

unfortunately nascar now frowns upon that kind of stuff.

dale jr. was fined 10,000 bucks and docked 25 points for saying "shit" on national tv. NASCAR is very image conscious and dont put up with very much rif raf at all. they take great pride in having the "atheletes" that are best served to be a role model and continue that "family sport" image.

i may have mentionned this but jim rome, who finally "gets it" (unlike soccer) has been pimping this- "you will not find a bad guy in nascar". a main reason its so popular. the drivers are really liked by the fans, and the drivers embrace the fans. even though they make millions, they are a very humble bunch who trully respect those who paved the way to make their riches and lifestyle possible.

unfortunately, like all other sports, this will probably change in 15-20 years.

Suitanim
02-21-2007, 08:08 PM
I've met most of the drivers...the only two (at the time) who were not really cool were JG and Jr., and they were about to be mobbed.

tony hipchest
02-21-2007, 08:25 PM
only "sport" where the average fan can get a pit pass and be in the "locker room" (garage) 20 minutes before the start of a race. and actually this probably is much cheaper than a box seat or ground level seat on the 50 yd line at a football game.

drivers actually sit at their merchandise trailers to sign merchandise. my old step dad easilly got me rusty wallaces autograph at phoenix last year on a hat. sure you have to wait in line but if youre a brian vickers fan there were only about 9 people at his trailer :sofunny:

(this was shortly after he wrecked JJ at talledega)

jr. gordon, and JJ easilly had the most people waiting in line, and all 3 quickly ran out of all merchandise...

...hotcakes

steel4me88
02-27-2007, 11:23 AM
[QUOTE=tony hipchest;220730]kevin harvick (the winner of the 500) was suspended for one race about 2-3 years ago for going after greg biffle after a race and grabbing him by the collar of his firesuit with both fists and causing quite a scuffle amongst opposing teams. it was great stuff. he ran at biffles car, jumped on it, ran over it and did a wwe move leaping out at biffle.
QUOTE]

Wow and I missed that :uhh: What a bummer! I became a Biffle fan about 3 years ago. I hope he has better luck this year. I am going to Vegas in 8 long days! Went last year and got Bif, Jack Roush and Doug's Autographs it was great to get them at my first race. This year Matt K is signing at the Nascar Cafe but we probably wont see him as that is the day weare leaving. I hope the weather is nice this year last year it snowed on us!! should be a great race though with the new track and all.

tony hipchest
04-11-2007, 10:09 AM
the height of irony is when nascar drivers get busted for driving violations. now if this were a bengal i'd have to assume he was drunk and fled the scene. a NASCAR driver gets a pass, even though a "good ol boy" (wink and a nod) cover up is much more likely.

M. Waltrip charged with reckless driving after rolling SUV
April 10, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

SHERRILL'S FORD, N.C. -- Michael Waltrip has been charged with reckless driving and failing to report an accident after hitting a telephone pole and rolling his car about a mile from his home over the weekend.


Waltrip, who suffered scratches to his arms, hands and face and cuts on his finger, said he fell asleep at the wheel right before he wrecked his Toyota Land Cruiser early Saturday morning. He left the scene of the accident and walked the rest of the way home.

Police found him at his house about six hours after finding the car at the accident scene.

"I am really embarrassed about the accident, but I feel fortunate that I wasn't hurt," the two-time Daytona 500 winner said Tuesday.

"For 25 years I have had a great driving record. I consider myself to be a courteous and safe driver on public roads. I never expected to fall a sleep behind the wheel of a car."

Police said the accident happened before 2 a.m. when Waltrip lost control of his SUV while driving around a curve and overcorrected. His car rolled and hit a utility pole, said Sgt. Brian Sharpe of the State Highway Patrol in Catawba County.

The vehicle, which was on its side, was abandoned and there was blood in it when police arrived. Witnesses reported seeing the driver crawl from the car and leave.

"He left the scene," Sharpe said. "We got the plate number, realized it was him and tried to locate him."

An attempt to locate him that morning was unsuccessful, but police reached him the next day. Waltrip was not arrested.

It's the latest troubles for Waltrip, who is having a horrendous first season as a car owner.

He was caught cheating during Daytona 500 preparations when NASCAR found a fuel additive in his engine, and was docked a record 100 driver points. His crew chief was fined a record $100,000 and suspended indefinitely, as was his competition director.

Meanwhile, he has failed to qualify for the five races since the 500.

Dale Jarrett, who drives one of Waltrip's cars, has needed a provisional to make five of the six races this year and is currently 37th in the points. David Reutimann, his other driver, has failed to make two races and is 43rd in points.

steel4me88
04-12-2007, 11:10 AM
Yeah I feel kind of bad for him. What bad luck! He has got to be pretty depressed about this season in general.