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SteelersWyo
08-20-2005, 10:16 AM
From what I've seen last year and this the Steelers need to get the ball in the hands of Willie Parker. Staley is unimpressive and usually injured. Bettis, Haynes, and Parker can easily carry the load. A side note. I went to the Hall of Fame ceremony this month to see Marino get inducted and got to meet Franco Harris. Was that awesome!

BlitzburghRockCity
08-20-2005, 11:04 AM
Staley and Parker are 2 different running backs..2 different styles..we need them both. Staley runs hard, runs over and thru the defenders, he like Jerome, can get you that gotta have it 3rd and short to run out the clock... Parker is the game breaker in terms of his speed, give him swing pass, screen or draw and he'll blow right by everybody like they are sitting still.

Remember, Staley was leading the team in rushing till he went down w/ injury, he was a big part of us getting off to a fast start in the season, and a big part towards the end when he got healthy again.

Stlrs4Life
08-20-2005, 12:12 PM
Agree with Blitzburgh. I am also a big Parker fan. But we haven't seen enough of him yet. It would be intereting to see him with the first team. I was at that Buffalo game last season for his big day, what a thrill it was to see him.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-20-2005, 12:15 PM
The thing we all want to see too is.. will Parker turn into another Amos Z ? Remember Amos was making all kinds of waves in training camp and in the preseason as a good player for screen, swing passes, etc..and was a good compliment to Bettis..but when it came time and he got his chance to strut his stuff, he pretty much fell flat on his face. He ran w/ no power, couldnt make the play the majority of the time, and just generally didnt appear to be up for the challenge.

Parker is alot faster obviously, and appear to run w/ alittle more power than amos, even considering his size. So we'll see. I like Willie alot, and look forward to him doing big things for us this year.

SteelProven
08-20-2005, 12:25 PM
Don't get me wrong I like Parker a lot but I don't think he's a every down back. He makes a great 3rd down back and a possible change of pace back. He would be good filling in for a few games but not the entire season. The typical Steeler back is 5'9-6'2 225-250 lbs. The steelers do way to much running between the tackles for a 200-220 back. Now I'm not saying that they couldn't do it, I feel they'll just break down a lot faster becuz of there lack of weight. I mean if J. Bettis started wearing down and he 250lbs what would happen to a back 30-50 lbs less than him. But I would never place my offensive running game on the back of Parker, unless we had a power back to compliment him.

steelparrot
08-20-2005, 04:22 PM
Staley unimpresive? I don't think so. Last year, before his injury, he was on pace for a pro-bowl year. I will agree with you though that the constant injuries are ridiculous, but if he could ever be healthy for 16 games, watch out.

slashsteel
08-20-2005, 05:52 PM
I agree Parrot but that is a very big IF

Bamataco1
08-21-2005, 12:21 AM
Staley unimpresive? I don't think so. Last year, before his injury, he was on pace for a pro-bowl year. I will agree with you though that the constant injuries are ridiculous, but if he could ever be healthy for 16 games, watch out.

The problem here is that like Bettis, Duce is getting old. And old running backs usually spend most of thier time injured. I felt right from the time that we picked up Duce that it was a mistake given what he is being paid. He might have been a good pick up for the veteran minimum but not for what he is being paid.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-21-2005, 01:55 AM
We could never have gotten duce for the vet. minimum. He's a solid back and has much less wear on him than a guy who's been in the league for 8 years. We need Duce to help out and we need his experience. His contract is very cap friendly after getting the signing bonus he's not hurting us that much to keep him or cut him really.

SteelZeal
08-21-2005, 02:40 AM
Staley notwithstanding, we do need to give Willie the ball more this year, and I'm talking about doing it in key situations. Not just garbage time. Willie is the only RB we have that can break off a 50-yard run at any given time. It seems obvious because it is. Get him the rock more often.

As far as the comparison to Zereoue, Blitzburgh, I see where you might be concerned. It is kind of a "been there, done that" thing from that standpoint. But the difference is that Willie is hitting holes and sprinting. Amos didn't "hit" holes all that often. He was much more likely to find a hole, dance around, try to find another hole, and go down with a one-yard gain. Perhaps visions of Barry Sanders danced around his mind as he danced in and out of holes. I haven't really seen that from Willie yet, and hopefully, I won't.

Amos looked for the big run before he got back to the line of scrimmage. Willie just runs and if it turns into a big run, well, nothing wrong with that.

SteelerSal
08-21-2005, 07:21 AM
This thread is titled, "Parker vs. Staley". Now I'm confused, how can they compete against each other when one always resembles, :crutches:

This topic is a no brainer. :cool:

By the way, Parker sure showed off his speed last night. I can't remember the last time I couldn't wait to see a back get the ball. (Barry Foster maybe).

clevestinks
08-21-2005, 08:06 AM
I`m almost ready to give up on Staley, NOW. Almost.

It is time for Parker to leap over Haynes and probably Staley, even if Staley were healthy.

Make Staley earn the starting job. Parker brings so much speed, the way we always throw screen passes to the big backs. I would love to see Faneca and co. out in front of Parker week after week.

Prosdo
08-21-2005, 06:13 PM
I think Parker can definitely skip over Verron. He has impressed me more than Verron.

SteelProven
08-21-2005, 08:41 PM
I just not ready to concede the RB job to a 5'8 200 lb back. I've stated before he's to small. He may initially be able to handle the starting job but he'll break down by week 3 of the regualr season. Do you guys honestly believe W. Parker can carry the ball 25+ times a game for 16 games. I understand that there are a lot of backs in the league under 220lbs. But known of them play in a in between the tackles type of offense like the steelers. But only time will tell, right?

Prosdo
08-21-2005, 09:08 PM
Right now I am not sure if he could be a starting back. I think he could definitely see more playing time. I do believe he can pass Verron Haynes on the depth chart. I think we will only know how well he would potentially do as a starter once he gets more carries, more often. Until then I think it is up in the air. Duce is a good back but that is when he is healthy. His injuries are becoming a problem and with Bettis getting older and nearing retirement. I do think during the next offseason we will pick up a runningback early on in the draft or possibly during free agency.

SteelProven
08-21-2005, 10:38 PM
Right now I am not sure if he could be a starting back. I think he could definitely see more playing time. I do believe he can pass Verron Haynes on the depth chart. I think we will only know how well he would potentially do as a starter once he gets more carries, more often. Until then I think it is up in the air. Duce is a good back but that is when he is healthy. His injuries are becoming a problem and with Bettis getting older and nearing retirement. I do think during the next offseason we will pick up a runningback early on in the draft or possibly during free agency.

I totally agree with this. I do think the Staley is to often injured to depend on him for an entire season. With Bettis coming to the end of a great career his carries should become decreasing less. I would love for the Steelers to incoporated Parker in the offense some times just for a change of pace.

ironcitychef
08-23-2005, 08:39 AM
While I like Parker, I would like hime to play 7 weeks so I can see how his body holds up. then I'll vote. But right now, I would say Parker is a better investment.

rowedf
08-23-2005, 11:29 AM
I just not ready to concede the RB job to a 5'8 200 lb back. I've stated before he's to small. He may initially be able to handle the starting job but he'll break down by week 3 of the regualr season. Do you guys honestly believe W. Parker can carry the ball 25+ times a game for 16 games. I understand that there are a lot of backs in the league under 220lbs. But known of them play in a in between the tackles type of offense like the steelers. But only time will tell, right?

Try 5"10" and 210 lbs. I do NOT think that is too small to be a feature back. You guys love to jump on Duce for being injured so often, but he's big enough right? How has the helped keeping him healthy. There are plenty of backs that are Parkers size that DO run between the tackles but they aren't too small....Portis, Alexander, Tomlinson, to name a couple....all simialr in size. It's not just the size of a running back that makes them durable...its how they run. It's not fair to say he's unable to be a feature back until he's given the opportunity.

SteelerSal
08-23-2005, 03:06 PM
Try 5"10" and 210 lbs. I do NOT think that is too small to be a feature back. You guys love to jump on Duce for being injured so often, but he's big enough right? How has the helped keeping him healthy. There are plenty of backs that are Parkers size that DO run between the tackles but they aren't too small....Portis, Alexander, Tomlinson, to name a couple....all simialr in size. It's not just the size of a running back that makes them durable...its how they run. It's not fair to say he's unable to be a feature back until he's given the opportunity.



Just to back rowdf, here are some #'s

All feature backs listed...

P. Holmes 5'9" 213lbs
Tiki Barber 5'10" 200lbs
C.Portis 5'11" 205lbs
Julius Jones 5'9" 205lbs
Tomlinson 5'!0" 221lbs


Our future feature back.... :cheers:
Fast Willie 5'10" 209lbs

I really don't see a problem with his size and he's still a growing boy.

SteelersWyo
08-23-2005, 05:57 PM
I'm glad to see everyone is coming around to my way of thinking on Parker. Boy I hate it when I'm right.

SteelProven
08-23-2005, 06:04 PM
Just to back rowdf, here are some #'s

All feature backs listed...

P. Holmes 5'9" 213lbs
Tiki Barber 5'10" 200lbs
C.Portis 5'11" 205lbs
Julius Jones 5'9" 205lbs
Tomlinson 5'!0" 221lbs


Our future feature back.... :cheers:
Fast Willie 5'10" 209lbs

I really don't see a problem with his size and he's still a growing boy.

All of the backs have missed a number of games becuz of injury. While playing in a less aggressive style offense.

SteelerSal
08-23-2005, 08:58 PM
All of the backs have missed a number of games becuz of injury. While playing in a less aggressive style offense.


What back hasn't? Every back has had thier share of injuries.

O.K. how about these bigger backs who get or got injured,

Chris Brown, E.James,M. Faulk, Stephen Davis, J.Lewis, Ty Wheatly, Ed George, shall I keep going?
Runningbacks in any system take a heck of a pounding on thier body.

SteelProven
08-23-2005, 10:00 PM
I'm not saying that Parker can't start or that he's injury prone. I'm just a little apprehensive about possilby making him our featured back. So all the hoopla about I can name everyback in the league is foolish.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-23-2005, 11:28 PM
Something to remember too is.. our style of running is straight up the gut, right into the heart of the DL and LB's..our running plays are most successful when we run north and south. Parker is a change of pace RB, a guy who can break a game open on screens, swings, out in the flat etc...but our style of RB's the ones we use and have had for decades..the ones that are the most successful are the ones that run w/ power and can break tackles, the big boys if u will.

Im not saying willie won't be a big factor for us, he will..and we will need him alot...but dont look for the STeelers to ignore the RB spot when the time comes for Jerome to retire just becuz we have parker in the mix. Haynes isnt as big as Jerome but he can break tackles and run hard up the middle too.

ironcitychef
08-24-2005, 08:16 AM
Yeah I agree we still want that big back that can constantly take 35 carries plus a game. If the current squad can handle that then fine, but we are always looking for running backs.

SteelProven
08-24-2005, 10:23 AM
Don't get me wrong I like Parker also I just question his ability to get 3rd and goal with the game on the line. Cause once we get down around the goal line he basically useless. IMO

SteelersWyo
08-24-2005, 10:59 AM
I agree with BlitzburghRockCity that our style is up the gut, but with Ben, Heath, Hines, Antoine, and Gibson maybe its time to go a different route. Still pound the ball up their *ss, but use more motion and spread formations. Wear'em down between the tackles then make them chase the lightning. What do you say?

Bamataco1
08-24-2005, 11:43 AM
All of the backs have missed a number of games becuz of injury. While playing in a less aggressive style offense.

Defenses hit just as hard no matter what type of offense you are playing. Also Dud Staley and the Tubby Tail back have missed lots of games. So being bigger hasn't helped them at all. Nwo I'm not comparing Parker talent wise to these guys but size wise Enmmit Smith wasn't a big back nor was Walter Payton and both of them did a great job as the starters for thier teams. So a smaller guy can get the job done.


***thread edit'd by BRC for language..

rowedf
08-24-2005, 11:45 AM
Yeah I agree we still want that big back that can constantly take 35 carries plus a game. If the current squad can handle that then fine, but we are always looking for running backs.

No backs carry 35 times a game....on a regular basis. I do not think we need a work horse. A person made the comment earlier, remember Morris and Pegram, that worked awesome and took us to the super bowl. Why can't Parker be the Pegram? In 95' we didnt even have a 1,000 yard rusher, but had two running backs that complimented each other perfectly. Morris had 550+ yards and Peagram had 800+ yards, those aren't really gotty numbers. In the NFL you do not NEED one back to do all your work. I think a nice power back and a quick scat back makes a lethal combination and also saves wear and tear on both players.

SteelProven
08-24-2005, 02:06 PM
Defenses hit just as hard no matter what type of offense you are playing. Also Dud Staley and the Tubby Tail back have missed lots of games. So being bigger hasn't helped them at all. Nwo I'm not comparing Parker talent wise to these guys but size wise Enmmit Smith wasn't a big back nor was Walter Payton and both of them did a great job as the starters for thier teams. So a smaller guy can get the job done.


**** WTF? is this about. It has nothing to do with race dumb@$$. I wish I could reach through this screen and choke the life out you right now. ***** I'm African-American and I really don't appreciate the insult. Keep that racist $h!T to yourself next time. Who the faq's the moderator on this board is he racist too. To let some numb nut call people ******s.

**original post containing the offensive word has been changed,,,it appears to be a typo on Bamataco1's part, but I edit'd it just to be safe. ..BRC

SteelerSal
08-24-2005, 02:14 PM
****** WTF? is this about. It has nothing to do with race dumb@$$. I wish I could reach through this screen and choke the life out you right now. ****** I'm African-American and I really don't appreciate the insult. Keep that racist $h!T to yourself next time. Who the faq's the moderator on this board is he racist too. To let some numb nut call people ******s.


I believe he meant to type "Bigger", The "b" is next to the "n" on the keyboard. I'm sure it's just a typo.

Steelproven, RELAX brother!! :cheers:

SteelProven
08-24-2005, 02:46 PM
I believe he meant to type "Bigger", The "b" is next to the "n" on the keyboard. I'm sure it's just a typo.

Steelproven, RELAX brother!! :cheers:

Well that's a hell of a typo!!! :mad:

rowedf
08-24-2005, 02:58 PM
I agree ^^^ I reported it as soon as I saw the post.

Prosdo
08-24-2005, 03:03 PM
Looks and sounds like a typo. I don't think he meant to put that. I'm sure Blitz or Mike will correct the problem and check into it. I honestly think it was just a slip up.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-24-2005, 03:19 PM
Problem corrected.. Carry on.. and yes please in the future, proof read your posts before you submit them just to be safe :)

acrossthepond
08-24-2005, 04:14 PM
Staley as well as suffering from injury!!! is suffering from that syndrome that people want to see the young exciting player over the proven vet. When Staley gets back from injury and starts running again we'll see what a good player he is (again) . . .

As someone else on here stated, Staley was in Pro-Bowl form last season until his injury and everyone was saying what a great pickup he was.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-26-2005, 09:31 AM
OK, I deleted all the posts on the last page or so that started to and contributed to this controversy......if you guys still want to "discuss" this, take it to PM and not out into the forums.

SteelProven had a right to be upset at seeing what you typed, typo or not, and he reacted emotionally as many others would. And Bamataco, you were also wronged by being call the ******** (I purposefully inserted asterisks instead of typing out the word) ..so both of you made mistakes, its over, its done, lets get back to football :)

Just another reminder again, make sure you proof read your posts before you submit...talking football can and usually does get very emotional and sometimes our hands don't keep up w/ our minds.

Matt

BlitzburghRockCity
08-26-2005, 09:43 AM
KFFL Breaking News
Steelers' Staley Could Miss First Month

Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher said he doesn't want to rush RB Duce Staley (knee), who has missed the entire preseason, back into the lineup. And that could mean Staley won't return until Oct. 10 in San Diego. "With the situation we have at running back, we don't have to rush to get him back," Cowher said.

Staley, who had surgery Aug. 8 to repair a torn meniscus, will probably not play in the season opener against the Tennessee Titans or the second game at the Houston Texans. With a bye week after the third game against the New England Patriots, it's conceivable Cowher will not play Staley against the Patriots to give him another two weeks to let the injury heal.

Prosdo
08-26-2005, 10:29 AM
Well, this is not news I wanted to hear. I don't think it helps Staley's case either. I just hope after this injury heals there is not another one this season.

SteelerSal
08-26-2005, 10:34 AM
Parker needs to get alot of carries this evening. I would also like to see Noah carry the ball with the first team offense.

bigbensgirl7
08-26-2005, 10:35 AM
I agree Prosdo...I hope this is it for the season. I think we will be ok without him, but I would definately like to see him healthy at the end of the season!

clevestinks
08-26-2005, 03:39 PM
Maybe Cowher doesn`t want to rush Staley, because he knows that Parker may be the next star.

rowedf
08-26-2005, 03:41 PM
Well, I think that clears up a few question marks on cuts. I'm pretty sure that means Herron makes the roster and not the practice squad. Now, the tough part, will they keep 2 qb's and 6 WR's or 3 qb's and 5 wr's?