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19ward86
03-03-2007, 11:32 AM
look at what is happening, we resign our DE to a big contract and release our best 3-4 linebacker and we sign a 4-3 minded coach. I know this has been brought up a few times but i think it is starting to take place.using the 4-3 would cause our LB to play more man coverage and Joey wasnt really good at much besides out wrestling a 330 lb. offensive tackle. all of our other LBs can cover, so i think we will draft a top DT in the first round and start playing the 4-3.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
03-03-2007, 11:43 AM
listen to our coach: he is a "personnel" guy and NOT a "scheme" guy...don't read more into this than you should. smith is still an impact player...porter was wanting SIX MILLION this season and he was UNhappy with that. this move was all about money, plain and simple.

Stainless Steel
03-03-2007, 12:07 PM
With all due respects, 19ward86... It is a money and salary cap issue, not a scheme issue.

It is obvious to me that the Steelers know what they are doing. The one flaw many teams have is becoming emotionally attached to a player and holding on to him too long. This is not the case with the Steelers. They know that they are better off getting rid of people that are on the downhill side of the their career and replace them with younger talent that are willing to do the same work or more cheaper. Just how many defensive players have we let go that have went on to be great with their new team? I can name about three in the last 15 years. Not bad.

It doesn't pay for a Steelers fan to get attached to any one player. People that become attached to a player are "player" fans. Players come and go. It is a part of the game if you are a fan for long. (since 1971 for me)

Instead, fans need to be "Steelers" fans. It is a lot less stressful way to enjoy the game. Allow players to come and go. I am not saying that a person that likes a particular player is not a "Steelers" fan. There are tendencies among fans, either player or team fans.

I am originally from the Findlay, OH area (Big Ben country). I have seen the town go from primarily a Clowns fan territory to a Big Ben/Steelers fan territory. I will be interested to see what happens when BR is no longer the Steelers QB. There will be some people that will remain Steelers fans, but some will lose interest because they are not Steelers fans in the true sense of the word.

drew102e
03-03-2007, 02:29 PM
nice post

its easier said than done sometimes, but i agree

Stainless Steel
03-03-2007, 02:32 PM
its easier said than done sometimes
I guess I've gone through my share of "favorite players" in all my years. :tt02:

drew102e
03-03-2007, 02:37 PM
i still miss greg lloyd, kevin green, rod woodson, etc. and cowher, i'll miss him most of all

dSharp
03-03-2007, 03:00 PM
I was born in 1978, born and raised in Uniontown, PA.. there was nothing to watch on my tv unless it was Steeler football, Penguins hockey, Penn State football, or WWF Wrestling. :smile:

Probably the worst one for me was seeing Woodson go. He was one of my first "favorite players" since I was old enough to start understanding everything. Kevin Greene was another one.

19ward86
03-03-2007, 04:15 PM
6 million dollars is not a lot for a big time LB, he will probably get more than that from another team. he is not fit for the 4-3, i agree with letting him go even though he is my fav. defensive player because i knew about the salary cap. but listen to this, our salary cap didnt affect the decision to giving aaron smith a 30-somethin million dollar deal.

tony hipchest
03-03-2007, 04:21 PM
but listen to this, our salary cap didnt affect the decision to giving aaron smith a 30-somethin million dollar deal. actually id say it did. a. smith was a huge cap hit going into the immediate future.

http://www.steelersalarycap.com/articles/Steelers_Salary_Cap.htm

2. Next, I want to discuss Aaron Smith and Alan Faneca together, since each case is fairly similar. The first big similarity is, I believe, that the Steelers want these players on the team after 2007. Although aging, they both seem capable of being contributors well into their early to mid 30?s. Both are quality locker room guys and have represented the Steelers extremely well. And both players play positions we are somewhat unsure of past the 2007 season. Another similarity is each player?s 2007 cap number is significantly higher than their projected ?take-home? pay. Smith will pocket $4.85 million while his cap hit is $7.2 million. Faneca will pocket $4.5 million while his cap hit is $6.1 million. Given these facts, a 2-3 extension (through 2009 or 2010), with a reduction in 2007 base salary, but a decent sized signing bonus reduces both player?s cap hit substantially. If you can convince either player to take a pay-cut (which might be possible) to go along with the extension, the cap number even gets better.



Example: Aaron Smith is set to make $4.85 million next year. A 2-year extension with a change in his 2007 base salary to $1.5 million and a $3.5 million SB would net Smith the same take-home pay, however would reflect on the Steelers cap as only $5 million in 2007. Realistic salaries for 2008 and 2009 could also be arranged which will provide manageable salary cap figure for these years also. Even if Smith is cut before the 2009 season, he?d only be $1.125 million in dead money, which seems reasonable.

Elvis
03-03-2007, 04:57 PM
:coffee:
I kind of agree that there are signs that we are gonna be
going to the 4-3 sooner than later. And to be honest, I am kind of looking forward to the change.
:tt02:

SteelersTilIDie
03-03-2007, 05:10 PM
its possible that we draft a dt, but there most likely wont be any available that are truly good at the 15th pick...but it would be a great idea to do so

drew102e
03-05-2007, 11:45 AM
if moving to the 4-3 means more INTs, more pressure on the QB and still stopping the run i am ready for the change

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-05-2007, 11:48 AM
It makes waiting for next season all hte more interesting.....Possible new defensive schemes........and a complete new play book......Made by a wide receivers coach.....
Will Ben be throwing 30+ a game now????????

Big D
03-05-2007, 11:56 AM
6 million dollars is not a lot for a big time LB, he will probably get more than that from another team. he is not fit for the 4-3, i agree with letting him go even though he is my fav. defensive player because i knew about the salary cap. but listen to this, our salary cap didnt affect the decision to giving aaron smith a 30-somethin million dollar deal.

The difference is, Aaron Smith is always running his mouth. Joey Porter is also an aging lb that wanted to much money. We have a young qb,rb and wr. We have to gear for the future.

Big D
03-05-2007, 11:59 AM
It makes waiting for next season all hte more interesting.....Possible new defensive schemes........and a complete new play book......Made by a wide receivers coach.....
Will Ben be throwing 30+ a game now????????

I certainly hope not. But arians was known to throw the rock around when he was the offensive coordinator with the browns. I think a fully healthy ben can handle throwing the ball 25-30 times without commiting as many turnovers. This team still has the potential of being a superbowl team this year without cowher and Porter. I'm willing to say that this defense could be a better defense without porter