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CantStop85
03-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Has anyone seen anything about this? If this is true...it's straight ridiculous.
Restricted free agent Wes Welker will be in New England on Sunday.

The Pats are expected to throw Welker a seven-year, $38.5 million offer sheet. Miami will get the No. 60 overall pick if the proposal isn't matched.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx

Livinginthe past
03-04-2007, 04:21 PM
Welker is a very nice WR - perfect for what the Patriots do on offense now that Troy Brown will likely retire and slot receiver duties will be up for grabs.

He will also be a big contributor on on ST as a returner, plus he is only 25.

Now the deal you speak of his strongly rumored to contain a poison pill element - I have heard speculation that the last year of the deal is worth $20 million of the $38 million and becomes guaranteed should Welker play more than 5 games in Miami.

The league has tried to get rid of the poison pill, but nothing could be worked out with the NFLPA - so its still a legal option.

In fact I have heard rumors (yes...more rumors) that the NFL will displeased if teams collude (which is an offense) to circumvent the poison pill element on purpose.

At the end of the day, I expect this deal to be effectively a 6 year deal worth approximately $18million.

$3million a year - I think thats an acceptable number.

Len Pasquarelli's thoughts.

Surrendering a second-round choice for a player of Welker's abilities would be viewed in most quarters, but especially in New England, as a steal. Welker would dramatically upgrade the New England wide receiver corps and the Pats would also benefit by taking him away from a division opponent.

Plus, the Patriots own a pair of first-round choices in the 2007 draft, and can afford to part with a second-round selection for a player of Welker's skills.

Welker, 25, is a terrific, if unheralded playmaker who has earned a spot on the ESPN.com "all unsung" team each of the past two seasons. Used principally as a return specialist in his first two seasons in the league, Welker emerged as a viable receiving threat in 2006, with 67 catches for 687 yards and a touchdown.

NM

tony hipchest
03-04-2007, 05:39 PM
well the pats are also targetting sammy morris. this doesnt suprise me. if in 6 years welker is still contributing as much as journeyman to be branch is, then they struck gold. welker putting up branch numbers shouldnt be too much to ask for.

X-Terminator
03-04-2007, 05:50 PM
Sorry, but that is WAY too much money for a guy who's never been a full-time starter in the league. The Pats are taking a huge gamble here, IMO, not to mention driving up the price tag for so-called "second-tier" FAs.

Suitanim
03-04-2007, 06:14 PM
Yeah, this is a dumb deal. I figured he'd get a little attention, but this kind of money is stupid. This is the "Alvin Harper" factor, except AH was a second WR, not a 3rd...

Still, let 'em spend it. Anything stupid AFC teams do benefits us in the long run...

ChronoCross
03-04-2007, 07:13 PM
He did pretty good even tho Booker had better numbers but heck none of them had great numbers with the lack of offense they had. So it will be interesting to see how well he does with Brady throwing to him.

CantStop85
03-04-2007, 07:23 PM
I mean I've watched quite a few of Welker's games and he's a pretty good slot receiver and kick returner, but that seems like an awful big investment.

tony hipchest
03-04-2007, 10:04 PM
even randle el is saying "DAAAAAAMN!!!!" :dang:

Livinginthe past
03-05-2007, 05:23 AM
I mean I've watched quite a few of Welker's games and he's a pretty good slot receiver and kick returner, but that seems like an awful big investment.

You think $3million/year for 6 years is too much for a upcoming receiver who had 67 catches last year, mainly from Harrington and Culpepper?

The Falcons paid the same money for a FB.

People just seem to be seeing the $38.5 million - but that number is nowhere near what we are going to be paying.

Thats just what Miami will have to pay to keep him.

NM

Cape Cod Steel Head
03-05-2007, 06:27 PM
Done deal. 2nd and 7th round picks. Don't know about the contract yet.

tony hipchest
03-05-2007, 06:40 PM
Done deal. 2nd and 7th round picks. Don't know about the contract yet.in an attempt to look clean and avoid all the underhanded poison pill talk, kraft met with huizenga to work out a straight up deal in an amicable fashion :rolleyes:

Livinginthe past
03-06-2007, 01:46 AM
Welker was signed to a $18.1million/5 year deal.

As expected, it was nowhere near the $38.5 million 'poison pill' contract offer.

I think a 7th rounder is worth sacraficing to get the guy into the lockerroom with no wrangling between Miami and New England....if it was the Jets then it may have been a different story :wink02:

Even though they are divisional rivals I don't suppose any extra acrimony would help either franchise or the player.

Suitanim
03-06-2007, 04:03 PM
Miami has some nice supporting receivers, and NE doesn't. This would be a good deal for the Pats if they didn't have to give up a 2nd rd pick.

Not sure exactly what's going on up in NE...

handsome
03-06-2007, 10:47 PM
"Not sure exactly what's going on up in NE..."

Just their usual brilliance. I hope our beloved Steelers can learn some of Belichick's masterful tricks.

>>>>Go Steelers<<<<

fansince'76
03-06-2007, 10:55 PM
Belichick - Brady = Cleveland all over again.

tony hipchest
03-06-2007, 11:04 PM
"Not sure exactly what's going on up in NE..."

Just their usual brilliance. I hope our beloved Steelers can learn some of Belichick's masterful tricks.

>>>>Go Steelers<<<<

hardworm???

:chuckle:

Suitanim
03-08-2007, 04:02 PM
Wes Welker? Let's keep this in perspective...Troy Edwards had one year where he caught like 70 passes.

ChronoCross
03-12-2007, 07:47 PM
Patriots | Contract update: Welker
Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:30:25 -0800

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots WR Wes Welker signed a five-year contract worth $18.1 million. He received a $5.5 million signing bonus and a $3.5 million option bonus due in the spring of 2008. He can earn a $50,000 workout bonus in 2007, $250,000 roster bonuses in each season from 2008 to 2011 and $100,000 workout bonuses in each season from 2008 to 2011. He will earn base salaries of $550,000 (2007), $1.4 million (2008), $1.65 million (2009), $1.9 million (2010) and $2.15 million (2011).

Livinginthe past
03-13-2007, 06:41 AM
Looks like the NFLPA is sticking their oar in - it has been mentioned that the NFL (rather than the NFLPA) would take exception to teams 'colluding' to avoid poison pill scenarios.

The logic was that, if the NFL and NFLPA couldn't negotiate an actual amendment to get rid of it altogether then teams shouldn't be seen to circumvent it for their own convenience.

The thing is, there wasn't (as far as I am aware) a single poison pill contract offered this year - the rumors of a 38.5 million offer for Welker were, according to Scott Pioli, nothing more than just that - a rumor.

I think this is just the NFL/NFLPA sabre rattling.

The NFL Players Association is concerned that the Patriots and Dolphins violated the Collective Bargaining Agreement while putting together the recent trade of receiver Wes Welker and has asked the NFL Management Council for an explanation, according to a source.

"They may have violated the CBA rule that says one club can't offer the player's former team anything that would [sway] that team from matching their offer," the source said. "Anti-collusion [rule], that's another thing that may come into play."

The source added that the NFLPA's interest in the matter stemmed from complaints made by Welker's agent, Vann McElroy, regarding the devaluation of his client because of possible violations.

The inquiry was also based on a series of newspaper and Internet reports leading up to the trade that indicated that the Patriots were set to give Welker, then a restricted free agent, an offer sheet worth $38.5 million over seven years on March 3.

An NFL.com report said the Patriots were going to include a "poison pill" that said if Welker played four games in Florida, his contract would become fully guaranteed.

No offer sheet was tendered by the Patriots and on March 5, the Dolphins traded Welker, their leading receiver in 2006, to New England for a second- and seventh-round draft pick.

Because the Dolphins offered Welker the mid-level $1.3 million tender on March 2, the Patriots only had to surrender a second-round pick if the Dolphins chose not to match. By sweetening the pot with the seventh-round pick, the Patriots avoided the offer sheet and averted the possibility that the Dolphins would've matched the offer.

The Patriots then signed Welker to a five-year deal worth $18.1 million, with $9 million guaranteed, approximately half the value of the original offer.

The NFL Management Council represents all 32 teams, so in effect the NFLPA is asking the Dolphins and Patriots for an explanation of how the trade went down. The Dolphins chose not to comment on the matter. The Patriots and McElroy didn't return messages.

One agent said that these inquiries generally "go nowhere."

"When it comes to anti-tampering and collusion in regards to players, generally the league looks the other way and hands out a slap on the wrist unless the player's agent gets all frustrated and thinks their player has been devalued," the agent said. "If the player's happy with the offer and the teams are happy, the league's stance is, `Let's move on.''

verks36
03-13-2007, 10:30 AM
ya i said before i think this is a little to much money to throw out to a player who has only been a 3rd WR and a punt returner. But maybe back when the dolphins beat the patriots on monday night football back when Bates was the head coach Bellichick might of saw something out of welker considering he had an awesome game

ChronoCross
03-13-2007, 09:20 PM
NFLPA SAYS IT'S NOT PUSHING WELKER MATTER

Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe reports that the NFL Players Association is not investigating whether the trade that sent receiver Wes Welker from the Dolphins to the Patriots violated the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

NFLPA director of communications Carl Francis told Reiss that the union merely requested the contract details from the league's management council.

"It had nothing to do with the way the deal went down," said Francis, who also said that it wasn't an official grievance.

Earlier on Tuesday, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that the NFLPA was seeking an explanation from the league in response to complaints from Welker's agent, Vann McElroy, that the Pats' apparent decision to pursue a trade instead of an offer sheet devalued the player.