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HometownGal
04-11-2007, 11:24 AM
I ride past the new arena site every day on the way home from work - the building they have started to demolish is already halfway gone. It'll be great to see it all come together, and I can't wait until it's done - it's going to be an awesome building judging from the preliminary plans being discussed.

As for the "demands" made by the Hill District "leaders" - they can go piss up a rope as far as I'm concerned. They have no right to demand anything of anyone, and the Penguins do not and should not have to give in to them. The fact that the arena is being built in their neighborhood and will bring people, jobs and money into the neighborhood ON ITS OWN should be good enough. This entitlement mentality that they and so many others like them have is sickening. Like my Mom always told me from the time I was able to understand - NO ONE owes you a damn thing. They all should take that piece of advice to heart.

As one of the Hill District leaders stated a few months ago - "what have the Penguins done for us?" Time to turn the tables, pal - what have you people done for the Penguins? It amazes me that these people who turned the Hill into a trash heap, drug infested area themselves now want to have a say in how the Pens, the State, the County and Barden choose to spend THEIR OWN MONEY. The way I look at it - if they really wanted their community revitalized and beautified, why the hell didn't they start on this project themselves years ago instead of waiting until now to B & M? I say - screw them. :upyours:

X-Terminator
04-11-2007, 11:35 AM
As one of the Hill District leaders stated a few months ago - "what have the Penguins done for us?" Time to turn the tables, pal - what have you people done for the Penguins? It amazes me that these people who turned the Hill into a trash heap, drug infested area themselves now want to have a say in how the Pens, the State, the County and Barden choose to spend THEIR OWN MONEY. The way I look at it - if they really wanted their community revitalized and beautified, why the hell didn't they start on this project themselves years ago instead of waiting until now to B & M? I say - screw them. :upyours:

Exactly. Just like always, they see $$$ and show up at the trough with their hands out, and expect people to put money in them. Well, enough is enough - everyone involved in the arena process and deal, especially the Penguins, should tell them that they don't get one red cent until they do something about their cesspool of a neighborhood - a neighborhood that's so bad that they can't even land a major supermarket. I just hope that whatever they do build on the Mellon Arena site has 24-hour police patrols and armed guards everywhere, otherwise it'll just become another area for drug deals and drive-bys inside of 2 years.

X-Terminator
04-11-2007, 11:49 AM
And in lieu of the whining being done by the Hill District "leaders," I give to you...more whining!

Preservationists want the new arena moved -- just a bit

By Rob Amen
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, April 11, 2007

A local preservation organization is proposing the new Penguins' arena be moved slightly east to save nine Uptown buildings it considers historic.

Rob Pfaffmann, chairman of Preservation Pittsburgh, says the buildings, mostly in the 1000 block of Fifth Avenue, don't need to be demolished to make room for the arena because the multipurpose facility can be moved onto part of the adjacent lot, where losing slots-bidder Isle of Capri wanted to build a casino.

"You can make this all fit, and everyone will win," Pfaffmann said.

The nonprofit group petitioned the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission, which ruled that the Fifth Avenue buildings are not eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places.

But PHMC, in a letter dated last Wednesday to Sports and Exhibition Authority Executive Director Mary Conturo, recommended the SEA photograph the buildings, and provide historical narratives and physical descriptions of them "as mitigation for the adverse effect of the New Arena Project."

"If these buildings were in the South Side or on Penn Avenue, they would be (eligible for the National Register)," Pfaffmann said.

Conturo could not be reached comment.

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said he was aware of Preservation Pittsburgh's push.

"We have talked to them and will continue to talk to them but are not ready to make any commitment at this time," McMillan said.

In 1993, city officials identified the area as being "coherent enough to be eligible for the Pittsburgh Register of Historic Places," according to PHMC's letter. But they were never designated as such.

Pittsburgh Historic Review Commission brass could not be reached for comment.

Preservation Pittsburgh's cause might have been lost more than 40 years ago, said Lu Donnelly, a former historic review commission member and ex-surveyor with the Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation.

An entire neighborhood in the Lower Hill District was obliterated in the early 1960s to make room for the then-Civic Arena, eliminating the residential component other historic areas such as Carson Street and the Mexican War Streets have had in their favor.

"I think that's when the context (for historic designation) changed," Donnelly said. "There's just never been a body that came forward to mount an effort to make this into an historic district."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_502200.html

Jeremy
04-11-2007, 12:22 PM
I don't think anyone should let the euphoria of the arena deal mask the very real problems the city and the team are going to face with the construction. This is a rather significant pie and everyone is going to want a slice before all is said and done.

X-Terminator
04-11-2007, 11:44 PM
Penguins' new home has storied history

By Rob Amen
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, April 12, 2007

Nine Uptown businesses said good-bye to their homes in the 1000 block of Fifth Avenue when the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority spent about $3 million last year to buy them out.

In all, the SEA spent almost $14 million to acquire 22 properties where it plans to build a multipurpose arena to replace Mellon Arena, the Penguins' home and oldest venue in the National Hockey League.

The business owners did not want to leave but went willingly, agreeing to the buy-outs.

Demolition at the arena site began Tuesday. By summer, the buildings will be gone.

* 1017 Fifth Ave.

Attorney Thomas Ayoob III hoped to be a part of the revitalization of Fifth Avenue. His company purchased an office near Washington Place less than two years ago.

The 21-foot-wide structure with 10-foot-high ceilings housed a law practice and, before that, a dry-goods store before becoming home to Thomas H. Ayoob III & Associates.

"I thought between the excitement spawned by Duquesne's development and the potential development of the new arena that the whole neighborhood would have a renaissance, and I'd be a part of it," Ayoob said.

* 1021 Fifth Ave.

Mark Bertenthal, 67, of Squirrel Hill, deliberately didn't name his sign company Bertenthal Signs, fearing people would have difficulty finding "Bertenthal" in the phone book.

So he spelled it like it sounds: Burton Signs & Specialties Inc.

Eight years later, he moved the venture from the basement of his home to a Fifth Avenue structure that previously housed a men's clothing store.

He stayed 27 years and still would be there if he had not been forced out, he said.

* 1023 Fifth Ave.

Mellon Arena's seniority Uptown is dwarfed by that of Larry Rubin's Specialty Clothing.

For 86 years and under the direction of at least two owners, Specialty Clothing outfitted the Pittsburgh business community.

Larry Rubin, 62, of Squirrel Hill, owned the business for 32 years before closing Nov. 12, 2005.

Rubin today is a partner in three Crazy Mocha franchises, but the "Specialty Clothing" sign still hangs along Fifth Avenue. For now.

* 1025 Fifth Ave.

Julian Elbling looked no further than across Fifth Avenue to find a new home for his family-owned J&B Sales, a wholesaler for men's clothing.

Elbling, who took control of the business from his uncle in 1969, owned the only building on Fifth Avenue without a basement -- that he knew of.

A fur company once occupied the 1890s-era structure, said Elbling, who saw first-hand how the corridor slowly faded.

"For 20 years, the city never did anything to preserve this corridor," he said. "The city couldn't have cared less if we left."

* 1029 Fifth Ave.

Al Gore's Pittsburgh campaign headquarters were here. Rusted Root used the top floor to record music. A robot company once occupied the second floor.

The five-story, 1900s-era Sage Building might be best known as the site of the old Joseph Milch children's clothing company, but it served as creative space for countless artists during the past decade or so.

The most recent, John Ross, 39, opened The Meter Room about 1 1/2 years ago. He has since moved to Sheraden.

"Uptown was an uncharted area where arts are concerned," said Ross, a graduate of the Art Institute of Pittsburgh who also had a gallery in Brooklyn. "I wanted to be installed in that community."

* 1031 Fifth Ave.

Not many business owners can glance across the room and see a working fireplace, look outside onto a courtyard and boast that they have a private shower on site.

Attorney Ralph Karsh, of Karsh & Associates, could.

"I built that place to my specifications," he said. "We gutted it and basically tore it down. I rebuilt everything but the basement."

All that is lost now.

"We could have fought, and we might have even prevailed," Karsh said. "But I wouldn't have felt right fighting it."

* 1035-1037 Fifth Ave.

Stanley Greenfield outlived his lifetime membership at an Uptown health club, which sat a few buildings away on Fifth Avenue at the corner of Washington Place before it became a parking lot.

He also outlasted his law office, Greenfield Court, which he bought 20 years ago and never envisioned leaving.

"I had a spiral staircase, a loft that looked out on the Civic Arena. They were all designed by me and customized," Greenfield said. "I'll be watching as they take my building down, and I'll be watching as the arena goes up."

* 1101, 1103 and 1109 Fifth Ave.

If there's a silver lining to being bought out by the SEA, said Laborers' District Council President Paul Quarantillo, it's that many of his members will find work with construction of the arena.

In 1986, the union group moved into the former Tanner Brothers' dry goods store, and, four years later, bought the adjacent building for its financial and health care operations.

The organization has an early May moving date.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_502289.html

Borski
04-12-2007, 12:53 AM
are these companies moving to another part of Pittsburgh, or closing for good?

X-Terminator
04-12-2007, 01:10 AM
are these companies moving to another part of Pittsburgh, or closing for good?

They have moved or are in the process of moving to other parts of the city or county. The one mentioned in the story that moved across the street is the only one that I know of that's stayed in the arena area, and one of them - Burton Signs - moved to Carnegie, PA, which is southwest of the city.

SteelCityMan786
04-12-2007, 02:34 PM
And in lieu of the whining being done by the Hill District "leaders," I give to you...more whining!

Preservationists want the new arena moved -- just a bit

By Rob Amen
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, April 11, 2007

A local preservation organization is proposing the new Penguins' arena be moved slightly east to save nine Uptown buildings it considers historic.

Rob Pfaffmann, chairman of Preservation Pittsburgh, says the buildings, mostly in the 1000 block of Fifth Avenue, don't need to be demolished to make room for the arena because the multipurpose facility can be moved onto part of the adjacent lot, where losing slots-bidder Isle of Capri wanted to build a casino.

"You can make this all fit, and everyone will win," Pfaffmann said.

The nonprofit group petitioned the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission, which ruled that the Fifth Avenue buildings are not eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places.

But PHMC, in a letter dated last Wednesday to Sports and Exhibition Authority Executive Director Mary Conturo, recommended the SEA photograph the buildings, and provide historical narratives and physical descriptions of them "as mitigation for the adverse effect of the New Arena Project."

"If these buildings were in the South Side or on Penn Avenue, they would be (eligible for the National Register)," Pfaffmann said.

Conturo could not be reached comment.

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said he was aware of Preservation Pittsburgh's push.

"We have talked to them and will continue to talk to them but are not ready to make any commitment at this time," McMillan said.

In 1993, city officials identified the area as being "coherent enough to be eligible for the Pittsburgh Register of Historic Places," according to PHMC's letter. But they were never designated as such.

Pittsburgh Historic Review Commission brass could not be reached for comment.

Preservation Pittsburgh's cause might have been lost more than 40 years ago, said Lu Donnelly, a former historic review commission member and ex-surveyor with the Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation.

An entire neighborhood in the Lower Hill District was obliterated in the early 1960s to make room for the then-Civic Arena, eliminating the residential component other historic areas such as Carson Street and the Mexican War Streets have had in their favor.

"I think that's when the context (for historic designation) changed," Donnelly said. "There's just never been a body that came forward to mount an effort to make this into an historic district."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_502200.html

Another round of whining. Who's next? The Civic Light Opera?

83-Steelers-43
04-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Groups unite to demand arena benefits
Alliance will push for investment, jobs for Hill District
Tuesday, April 17, 2007

By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

An alliance of unions, community groups and housing and political organizations is lining up behind the concept of wringing benefits for the Hill District from the new arena and casino, and hoping to change the way development is done across Pittsburgh.

The new umbrella group, Pittsburgh UNITED, includes 15 organizations and plans to add more. It met with Hill District activists on Friday and aims to add organizational muscle to a push to ensure that the neighborhood benefits from the replacement for Mellon Arena and nearby development.

"Developers that are getting public money, and are coming into Pittsburgh, ought to answer to the communities they're coming into," said Sam Williamson, Western District director for UNITEHERE, a union of hotel and restaurant workers and a member of Pittsburgh UNITED.

The alliance's name stands for Unions and Neighborhoods Investing in Transforming Economic Development, and its formation began late last year.

"We were really frustrated about public investment not benefiting the public," said alliance co-chair Ronell Guy of the Housing Alliance of Pennsylvania, one of the member groups.

The Hill seemed a good place to start. It may soon see not just a new arena, but a $350 million development possibly involving Don Barden, who is building a casino on the North Shore.

At an April 5 meeting, around 20 Hill residents, business persons and clergy met with officials, including Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato. They presented a "terms sheet" saying that Hill groups should get $10 million in development funding, a share of arena revenue and a guarantee that 30 percent of jobs will go to minorities.

Pittsburgh UNITED isn't endorsing those terms yet, said Carl Redwood, convener of the Hill District Consensus Group, which has joined the alliance but didn't help draft the sheet.

"We're basically going through the process of defining the community benefits, what the community wants," Mr. Redwood said. His organization includes 70 Hill groups, and each of them "might want different things" from the arena development.

Marimba Milliones, one of the Hill residents who presented the terms sheet, said she was happy to have the larger group involved in the process.

"We welcome any partnership that advances the Hill District and its residents and look forward to this potential relationship," she said.

The alliance will eventually get behind a set of "planks," said Tom Hoffman, programs director at Service Employees International Union Local 3, another member group. The group will seek a contract guaranteeing "concrete, measurable improvements in people's lives" as part of the arena package.

Such contracts, called community benefits agreements, have been used in other cities since 2000 but not yet here.

In Los Angeles, an agreement related to development around Staples Center gives people displaced by the project first shot at employment and guarantees that 70 percent of jobs created will be unionized or pay a family-supporting wage. It plows nearly $2 million into parks, affordable homes and training.

In the New York City Borough of Brooklyn, a similar pact related to the Atlantic Yards development stipulates the percentages of construction jobs and contracts that must go to minorities and women. It calls for affordable housing and neighborhood amenities as part of the mix, and guarantees tickets for neighborhood residents at arena events.

Mr. Hoffman said other community benefits agreements have included planks that forgive health care-related debts for neighbors of a hospital expansion, unionize school painting jobs and give students first crack at them, among other things.

Several developers said they believe in getting community input into their projects but didn't know enough about the new alliance to comment.

Mr. Ravenstahl said last week that he'd heard from the involved unions. "I think that's fair for them to have a seat at the table," he said.

The Penguins have said they will meet with Hill residents and consider their concerns, and Mr. Onorato said he's trying to schedule a meeting for next week. It's not yet clear whether alliance leaders will be at that meeting.

The alliance has funding from the Ford Foundation, matched by local foundation funds, to help it win its first community benefits agreement. In addition to the Hill, it's eyeing the neighborhood around Mr. Barden's proposed casino on the North Shore.

"We on the North Side want the development to benefit historically disenfranchised people," said Ms. Guy, a co-founder of the North Side Coalition for Fair Housing. "We're hoping to develop a community coalition on the North Side, as well as anywhere there is huge development that's going to impact the community."

Mr. Barden's spokesman said it was "premature and speculative" to talk about a benefits agreement with the group, which hasn't yet contacted the casino firm.

In the past, unions, neighborhood groups and environmental organizations have tried to influence local development, singly or in small groups. Pittsburgh UNITED plans to bring their collective power to bear on every big, publicly financed project.

Other members include the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, the Sierra Club, the League of Young Voters, and the Mon Valley Unemployed Committee.

The diversity of the alliance won't make it unwieldy, Mr. Hoffman said, but instead will allow it to bring influence to bear from many angles and negotiate wide-ranging deals with developers.

"We don't settle," he said, "until we all settle."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07107/778607-53.stm

83-Steelers-43
04-17-2007, 12:43 PM
They presented a "terms sheet" saying that Hill groups should get $10 million in development funding, a share of arena revenue and a guarantee that 30 percent of jobs will go to minorities.

If I were the Penguins I would tell them to go to hell. Plain and simple. IMO, this is nothing short of a shakedown by groups who want everything for free in this world. The funny/pathetic part, they will end up getting what they want.

God Bless America!

"We don't settle," he said, "until we all settle."

That's cute and catchy. :rolleyes:

X-Terminator
04-18-2007, 11:51 PM
Mellon will get first slapshot at new arena's naming rights

Thursday, April 19, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mellon Financial Corp. will have first crack at buying naming rights to the new arena, but don't expect it or any other potential buyer to shell out the $400 million a British bank recently agreed to pay to put its name on the new Brooklyn home for the New Jersey Nets.

Mellon has the right of first refusal to the arena naming deal, a byproduct of the $18 million agreement it reached with the Penguins in 1999 to affix its name to the former Civic Arena.

That agreement runs through the 2008-2009 season, the last full year the team will be playing in the Igloo. The Penguins expect the new arena to be ready early in the 2009-2010 season.

Mellon now is in the process of completing its merger with The Bank of New York. As part of the deal, Mellon will move its headquarters from its hometown of 138 years to the Big Apple.

However, the Mellon name will remain on the arena through the duration of the 10-year naming rights agreement, spokesman Ron Gruendl said. Chief Executive Officer Robert Kelly said Tuesday that Mellon will remain on other Downtown buildings as well.

Whether Mellon will exercise its right of first refusal on the new arena was unknown. Mr. Gruendl said that as the two financial institutions work on an integration plan, "we will consider what we believe to be appropriate marketing and sponsorship opportunities."

That could include everything from naming rights to a new logo to "where we're going to have suites in venues to every single marketing opportunity you can think of," he said.

The Penguins declined comment yesterday on the issue of naming rights. Under its agreement with state and local leaders on construction of a new arena, the team has the option of using naming rights as part of its $4.2 million annual contribution toward the facility.

Regardless of the deal the Penguins make, it's unlikely they will get anywhere close to the nearly $400 million London-based Barclays Bank will pay over the next 20 years to put its name on the Nets' new arena in Brooklyn.

Neil deMause, co-author of "Field of Schemes," a book that questions the public financing of stadiums, said a deal of that magnitude probably is out of the question in a city the size of Pittsburgh.

He said the $1.8 million a year Mellon is shelling out for naming rights now probably is at the "lower end" of what the Penguins could receive for the new arena. He said a deal in the range of $2 million to $5 million a year is a "good guess" right now but far from certain.

"It's all over the place," he said of the market.

In another big deal recently, Prudential agreed to pay more than $5 million a year for the naming rights to the New Jersey Devils' new arena.

In Pittsburgh, H.J. Heinz Co. is paying $2.85 million a year over 20 years for the rights to Heinz Field.

PNC Financial Services Group is paying $1.8 million a year for 20 years for the same rights to PNC Park.

In other deals, American Airlines is paying $2.1 million a year to have its name on the arena used by the Miami Heat. Air Canada is shelling out $1.5 million a year for naming rights to the home shared by the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Raptors.

Fleet Bank is paying $2 million a year to see its name on the arena shared by the Boston Bruins and Celtics. Wachovia Bank is spending $1.4 million a year for the rights to the Philadelphia arena shared by the Flyers and 76ers. Xcel Energy is spending $3 million a year to have its name on the home of the Minnesota Wild.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07109/779242-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
04-19-2007, 07:13 AM
Mellon has the right of first refusal to the arena naming deal, a byproduct of the $18 million agreement it reached with the Penguins in 1999 to affix its name to the former Civic Arena.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Mellon and the Penguins should consult the Hill District residents before a decision is made. They are "owed" that "right". Afterall, they are the ones who attend Penguin games on a regular basis. They are the ones who have been pumping money into that franchise for decades. They were the ones who completely supported Isle of Capri in the Penguins time of need.

It's only right. :thumbsup:

Buzz05
04-19-2007, 08:03 AM
People in the Hill district are complaing about the city and the Pens not doing stuff for them. But what have they done for the city? Or to help themselves? People like this irritate the hell outa me. They want something for nothing and are waiting on hand outs. Maybe if they woulda attempted to help themselves in cleaning up the Hill then maybe it wouldnt be such an issue. But for now, they dont deserve any of the 'funding' they want.

Prosdo
04-19-2007, 11:01 AM
Buzz and 83 you both hit the nail on the head. The majority of people who live there do NOTHING to help themselves. The local businesses also went down because people are afraid to go to that place.

Buzz05
04-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Can ya blame them though for taking their business else where? Why stay in an area and try to make something of your life when the people around you arent doing the same. If I were one of the business owners I would have taken my business elsewhere too.

X-Terminator
04-25-2007, 05:12 AM
Always with their frickin hands out. I really wish the Pens' brass had the balls to tell them all to go pound salt. They're building the arena in the area that will spark economic growth and development on its own. Is that good enough? Of course not! Nothing is ever good enough for them! :rolleyes:

Hill District group to present demands to Pens' officials

By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, April 25, 2007

A group of Hill District residents and church leaders who want a share of the revenues from a new Penguins arena and guaranteed jobs for minorities plans to meet Friday with team officials for the first time.

"I think it's fair and reasonable to talk about minority participation and representation," said Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, who plans to attend the meeting along with Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato. "And I think their expectation of a certain amount of dollars invested in the community (for development) is fair. Now, we may disagree on what that means."

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority is expected to host the meeting at its offices in the Regional Enterprise Tower, Downtown.

SEA Executive Director Mary Conturo could not be reached for comment.

The meeting would be the first between the Penguins and the Hill District group, led by state Rep. Jake Wheatley, D-Hill District; the Rev. Johnnie Monroe, pastor of Grace Memorial Presbyterian Church; and Hill District resident Marimba Milliones.

The Hill District-based group, which doesn't have a formal name, has talked previously with Ravenstahl, Onorato and Conturo.

Milliones and Monroe have said they want the SEA and the Penguins to provide the Hill District with $10 million for development and an annual share of revenues from the planned $290 million arena. They also want 30 percent of the jobs related to the arena's construction and surrounding development to go to minorities.

The Hill District residents hope to make their demands part of the 30-year arena lease agreement that's still being negotiated between the SEA and the Penguins.

Gov. Ed Rendell has said the lead agreement would be completed April 13, but a spokesman said last week that the date was not a hard deadline and that lease talks are progressing.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_504440.html

Buzz05
04-25-2007, 07:17 AM
Milliones and Monroe have said they want the SEA and the Penguins to provide the Hill District with $10 million for development


How much do you wanna bet that the $10 Million goes to 'develop' some bank accounts...

83-Steelers-43
04-25-2007, 08:59 AM
How much do you wanna bet that the $10 Million goes to 'develop' some bank accounts...

You better believe it. Like I stated before, this is nothing short of a shakedown. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton aren't up there to get a piece of the pie. Then again, if the Penguins do not give in to the "demands", that's when Jesse and Al fly in to save the day while grabbing a piece.

I still laugh when I see one of these "leaders" jump on tv and tell people that the Hill District is "packed with rich history and places to eat". Then I open up my PPG every other morning and read about a homicide(s) or a drug bust(s) in the area. They can build all they want up there, but as long it resembles downtown Baghdad they will not receive any type of business from those attending Penguin games or from anybody else (besides themselves and that's all this is really about) in Western Pennsylvania.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to attend a meeting with neighborhood leaders in my area. The township is building a little-league baseball park down the street from us and we feel we are "owed" some of the revenues from refreshments. I also have to make sure they "give" equal amount of jobs to my fellow Italian-Americans.

Buzz05
04-25-2007, 09:22 AM
You better believe it. Like I stated before, this is nothing short of a shakedown. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton aren't up there to get a piece of the pie. Then again, if the Penguins do not give in to the "demands", that's when Jesse and Al fly in to save the day while grabbing a piece.

Hey they may as well learn from the best on how to do it right?

Now if you will excuse me, I have to attend a meeting with neighborhood leaders in my area. The township is building a little-league baseball park down the street from us and we feel we are "owed" some of the revenues from refreshments. I also have to make sure they "give" equal amount of jobs to my fellow Italian-Americans.

I prefer to call it 'Entrepenurial Investment' :sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 06:21 AM
Lower Hill panel might find cues elsewhere in Pens' arena talks

By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, April 27, 2007

As a coalition of Hill District leaders lobby today for a cut of money from a new hockey arena and job guarantees for minorities, they could follow the example of similar negotiations in other cities.

"We live, work and play here 24 hours a day," said Kimberly C. Ellis, 34, a Hill District activist. "Other people come here just to play, and then they leave.

"We have to put up with the increases in trash, traffic and crowds, and so we would like the entire city to support us, as other cities have."

The 12-member Hill District group includes clergy, community activists and residents. They want jobs, $10 million for a development fund and an unspecified annual contribution from the Penguins and the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, which are completing a 30-year lease agreement for a $290 million arena in the Lower Hill.

Jobs for minorities and city residents were chief among requests from community and business groups in two other U.S. cities with new sports complexes.

Forcing elected officials to recognize a grassroots minority group that wants to protect its neighborhood takes courage and persistence, said the Rev. Gregory Chandler, president of The Amos Group, a faith-based public advocacy coalition of 40 Cincinnati-area churches.

Chandler and 300 supporters staged a March 29 rally that helped to persuade Cincinnati and Hamilton County officials to name two blacks to the Banks Working Group, a seven-member board that's planning a $600 million riverfront development between Paul Brown Stadium and the Great American Ballpark.

The board was all white, Chandler said.

"We want total involvement in the development, and now we have a seat at the table," Chandler said. "We were not going to settle for a wink and a nod and somebody saying, 'We'll take care of you.' "

In downtown Newark, the New Jersey Devils answered pleas from neighborhood groups asking for a share of the action from the $355 million Prudential Center arena, which is set to open in the fall, said Bo Kemp, Newark's business administrator.

The Devils pledged $250,000 a year to benefit work force development and training, and new minority-owned businesses in the city. The team promised another $250,000 a year to improve city recreation centers and parks.

"This way, the average citizen can see a direct connection between their life and the arena itself," Kemp said. He said the arena's manager, AEG, is required in an agreement with the city to have minorities make up 35 percent of its work force in concessions, ticket-taking and elsewhere.

In addition to creating jobs, Pittsburgh city planners say the still-unnamed arena is likely to be the catalyst for a revitalized Hill District.

Detroit businessman Don Barden, whose PITG Gaming is building a North Shore casino, has pledged an unspecified amount of seed money for a $350 million Hill District redevelopment project, which would include homes, offices and commercial space.

Of the three companies that vied for the city's sole slots license, only Barden's pledged support for redeveloping the Lower Hill. Isle of Capri, which hoped to build a casino in the Hill and fund a new arena, was supported by Pittsburgh First, a nonprofit community group led by the Rev. James Simms. Pittsburgh First has been dormant since the state Gaming Control Board awarded the slots license to Barden.

The Hill District group, which doesn't have a formal name, plans to show its wish list to the Penguins for the first time at today's meeting with team officials, the SEA, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato. The group's leaders -- Democratic state Rep. Jake Wheatley, Hill Community Development Corp. chairwoman Marimba Milliones and the Rev. Johnnie Monroe of Grace Memorial Presbyterian Church -- plan to use their clout at the meeting.

Yet, they might not have enough leverage to secure promises.

"Their biggest problem is, they're a little late to the game," said Marc Ganis, president of Chicago-based consulting firm Sportscorp Ltd. He noted the Pens already have a tentative agreement with the city, county and state.

"This is a pure power politics effort," Ganis said. "There's very little about these kinds of local benefits agreements that is purely voluntary."

The Hill group could succeed if its members make a persuasive appeal to team co-owner Ron Burkle, a billionaire philanthropist, or if they can guarantee future political support to the team and related developments.

"If all they're doing is taking from the trough, rather than adding something to it as well, they're going to have a tough time," Ganis said.

Ravenstahl said he's willing to listen, but he isn't making promises.

"I'm not against putting money aside into some sort of development fund for investment in that community. I am against signing over a check to somebody to do with whatever they choose," Ravenstahl said Thursday. "I think everybody's goal is to build consensus on what makes sense for that community."

Penguins President David Morehouse said the team is "looking forward" to the meeting.

Another community organization, the Hill District Consensus Group, is preparing to ask the Pens for support. The group, started in 1991, hasn't decided what its 72 member organizations want, but its requests will focus on securing jobs for Hill residents, including service and hotel union employees who work in and around Mellon Arena, said founder Carl Redwood Jr.

"Since there's so much public money being used to support the development of the (Penguins) arena, they need to support the community," he said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_504883.html

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 06:42 AM
"We have to put up with the increases in trash, traffic and crowds, and so we would like the entire city to support us, as other cities have."

Crowds and trash? Yeah, us Penguin fans really have to stop holding those marches at 10:30 at night up and down Wylie Avenue after the games are over while throwing our trash all over the place. BTW, that was my old recliner which is sitting in that vacant lot next to the run down crack house off of Centre Avenue. I was partying in the area after a game last season and forgot to take it home with me.

Not the gangs, not the drug dealers, not the prostitutes, not the shootings, not the drug busts.........but traffic, trash and crowds is this sharp one's main concern. LOL. Wow.

"We want total involvement in the development, and now we have a seat at the table," Chandler said. "We were not going to settle for a wink and a nod and somebody saying, 'We'll take care of you.' "

Mr. Lemieux! Mr. Lemieux! Come "take care" of me!!!

"Since there's so much public money being used to support the development of the (Penguins) arena, they need to support the community," he said.

This arena is going to bring in money and jobs for the whole city.

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 07:15 AM
This arena is going to bring in money and jobs for the city.

Since when do they care about the whole city...I thought the Hill District was its own sweet piece of realestate. I mean isnt that why all the small businesses are there. You know the drug dealers, prostitutes and so forth...We only want to play there while these outstanding citizens have to 'work' there.:banging:

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 07:25 AM
Since when do they care about the whole city...I thought the Hill District was its own sweet piece of realestate. I mean isnt that why all the small businesses are there. You know the drug dealers, prostitutes and so forth...We only want to play there while these outstanding citizens have to 'work' there.:banging:

Oh that's right. How stupid of me. :banging:

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 07:37 AM
Im surprised the hill district ,with its wondeful leadership and all, hasnt tried to emancipate itself from the rest of the city. I mean they obviously dont want the city's help and they think everyone that tries to help them should be paying so why not just make its own little mudhole of a town.

Its actually a shame its too late to draw up new plans and move the arena to a different part of town. Like Shadyside or Southside. Then the Hill would really be up a creek without a paddle. Hell I would take Oakland as opposed to the Hill

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 07:47 AM
Its actually a shame its too late to draw up new plans and move the arena to a different part of town. Like Shadyside or Southside. Then the Hill would really be up a creek without a paddle. Hell I would take Oakland as opposed to the Hill

Oh I would love it in Shadyside or Southside. Leave the game, walk a few blocks and get a bite to eat at the Walnut Grill in Shadyside. Hit up a few bars and get a decent steak at the Pittsburgh Steakhouse in the Southside.

Instead, I will leave the game and take my business elsewhere after the games. But like you said, the "leaders" really don't give a damn about that issue.

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 08:08 AM
Look what PNC park had created. You leave the game and go hit up High Tops across the street or even a little pregame action. Its just an all around enjoyable experience. Instead with the Pens games we are gonna have fight off crack heads just to get back to the cars.

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 08:23 AM
It's a shame, back in the day the Hill had some of the best jazz musicians on the east coast. Stanley Turrentine and Art Blakey to name a few. I'd love to be able to leave a game and head up instead of down Centre Avenue, hit up a few jazz joints and get a bite to eat. I don't see that happening any time soon. Instead I head in the opposite direction and head over to Bloomfield, Shadyside or the South Side before or after the games.

Apparently traffic, garbage, crowds and hand me outs are the main concerns in that area of the city.

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 08:30 AM
It's a shame, back in the day the Hill had some of the best jazz musicians on the east coast. Stanley Turrentine and Art Blakey to name a few. I'd love to be able to leave a game and head up instead of down Centre Avenue, hit up a few jazz joints and get a bite to eat. I don't see that happening any time soon. Instead I head in the opposite direction and head over to Bloomfield, Shadyside or the South Side before or after the games.

Apparently traffic, garbage, crowds and hand me outs are the main concerns in that area of the city.

Im not gonna lie, the whole Jazz scene was before my time. This version of the Hill is all I have ever known. Honestly if you subtract the hill district, I would go out on a limb and say Pittsburgh is one of the safest cities in America. Its already one of the cleanest and nicest. Its 10 times better of a city then Baltimore is.

Jeremy
04-27-2007, 08:40 AM
Im not gonna lie, the whole Jazz scene was before my time. This version of the Hill is all I have ever known. Honestly if you subtract the hill district, I would go out on a limb and say Pittsburgh is one of the safest cities in America. Its already one of the cleanest and nicest. Its 10 times better of a city then Baltimore is.

Baltimore is a terrible town, but that's because they have "progressive" leaders who don't have the first clue about how to deal with their massive crime problem.

83-Steelers-43
04-27-2007, 08:50 AM
Im not gonna lie, the whole Jazz scene was before my time. This version of the Hill is all I have ever known. Honestly if you subtract the hill district, I would go out on a limb and say Pittsburgh is one of the safest cities in America. Its already one of the cleanest and nicest. Its 10 times better of a city then Baltimore is.

Oh it's the same case with me. The jazz buzz in the area was during the 30's and 40's. The Hill as it is now is all I ever knew. As I stated in another post, around age six or seven I was at a game with my dad and his buddy. When the game was over our car was stolen and totaled. We were parked one block up from Crawford Street. It's not as if we parked in the heart of the Hill District.

For the most part, Pittsburgh is a safe city compared to Detroit, Miami, Dallas, Philly and Baltimore. Hell, in Philadelphia the city has seen more than one killing a day this year, totaling 127 as of this past Monday afternoon. New York, Chicago and Los Angeles, whose populations are much larger than Philadelphia's 1.5 million residents, have had fewer homicides this year. That's pretty crazy when you think about it.

But, you have your areas. The Hill, Wilkinsburg, Homewood and Garfield to name the main areas (IMO), but overall I feel pretty safe in Pittsburgh. Although it seems year after year you hear about more shootings which result in deaths in the area. Maybe that's just me? I'm not exactly sure of the homicide rate over the last few years.

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 09:30 AM
Baltimore is a terrible town, but that's because they have "progressive" leaders who don't have the first clue about how to deal with their massive crime problem.

I agree that the leadership has no idea how to run this city. It has such potential to be an awsome town. I do like the night life of Federal Hill and Canton but if you stray off of the main parts you are in places you dont wanna be. Its sad but the wire is a true dipiction of Baltimore..its gotten to the point to where it doesnt phase me to see a murder on the news of hear about a body floating down through the inner harbor. But in its defense they are trying...just failing myserably





For the most part, Pittsburgh is a safe city compared to Detroit, Miami, Dallas, Philly and Baltimore. Hell, in Philadelphia the city has seen more than one killing a day this year, totaling 127 as of this past Monday afternoon. New York, Chicago and Los Angeles, whose populations are much larger than Philadelphia's 1.5 million residents, have had fewer homicides this year. That's pretty crazy when you think about it.



New York actually isnt bad...Philly actually makes me nervous. A few months ago I was there and we ran the Rocky steps infront of the museum and along side all you saw were camp sites from homeless guys. And as far as Pitt goes I feel completely safe there...

Jeremy
04-27-2007, 09:35 AM
[QUOTE=Buzz05;241525]I agree that the leadership has no idea how to run this city. It has such potential to be an awsome town. I do like the night life of Federal Hill and Canton but if you stray off of the main parts you are in places you dont wanna be. Its sad but the wire is a true dipiction of Baltimore..its gotten to the point to where it doesnt phase me to see a murder on the news of hear about a body floating down through the inner harbor. But in its defense they are trying...just failing myserably



I had a bunch of friends from Baltimore when I was in college and they all thought their city was the cat's pajamas. Then we took a road trip up to Pittsburgh and they were blown away. They still talked a lot of smack for Baltimore, but they kept their mouths shut when I was in any of my Pittsburgh swag.

Buzz05
04-27-2007, 09:50 AM
They still talked a lot of smack for Baltimore, but they kept their mouths shut when I was in any of my Pittsburgh swag.

Thats because Pittsburgh is the greatest city ever! :tt02:

X-Terminator
04-27-2007, 12:17 PM
Look what PNC park had created. You leave the game and go hit up High Tops across the street or even a little pregame action. Its just an all around enjoyable experience. Instead with the Pens games we are gonna have fight off crack heads just to get back to the cars.

Exactly. The same thing would have happened in the Lower Hill - the arena by itself will spark development and bring plenty of jobs and money into the area, just like the stadiums did on the North Shore. I can actually picture that entire area turning into another North Shore, only with more housing mixed in with the office buildings, retail, hotel, etc. You'd think that would be enough for any neighborhood, but no...the Pens and the city must give more. I really wish that more of the residents - and blacks in general - would lose the sense of entitlement, start taking the bull by the horns and clean up their own backyards (though to be fair there are some parts of the Hill that are being redeveloped) before they start making demands on anyone else.

Preacher
04-28-2007, 04:01 AM
hmmmmmmm


seems every city has the same type of people.

83-Steelers-43
04-28-2007, 08:40 AM
Hill District residents, Penguins meet on redevelopment
Cooperative tone characterizes session
Saturday, April 28, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins and a group of Hill District residents and church leaders faced off for the first time yesterday over demands related to the new arena construction.

But instead of dropping the gloves, the two sides pledged during the 90-minute meeting to work together and with the city and Allegheny County to redevelop the neighborhood.

Penguins President David Morehouse described the pledge as a "great first step" toward bringing about hoped-for revitalization as part of the arena construction.

"We're going to gain community input as we move forward and we're going to use the arena and the surrounding development as a catalyst for redevelopment, not only for the greater Hill District but for the Pittsburgh region," he said.

Yesterday's meeting in the offices of the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority marked the first time the Hill residents and clergy had met with the team since they presented a "term sheet" to Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and county Chief Executive Dan Onorato indicating they wanted $10 million in development funding for the neighborhood, a share of arena and development revenue, and a guarantee that 30 percent of related jobs will go to minorities.

No such specifics were discussed yesterday, but there was "basically general agreement" that the city, county, Penguins and Hill representatives would work together to bring about jobs and redevelopment, Mr. Onorato said.

As part of the partnership, the Penguins are willing to discuss a possible community benefits agreement with Hill leaders and representatives similar to ones that have been negotiated in other cities, including Los Angeles and New York, regarding development.

"We're very encouraged that good things are going to happen out of this meeting today," said the Rev. Johnnie Monroe, pastor of the Grace Memorial Presbyterian Church and part of the Hill District group.

Jake Wheatley, the state representative from the Hill who has been supportive of the group, described the partnership as a "very good opportunity for us to do some great things."

"Right now I want the Hill District to be treated like any other community that we have in this region and be respected and be at the table and I think with the leadership of the county executive and the mayor we are on that road right now," he said.

Mr. Morehouse said arena construction alone should create thousands of jobs and thousands more should follow as redevelopment takes place at the Mellon Arena site. He said the team will look at creating programs to provide jobs specifically for minorities and Hill District residents.

Mr. Ravenstahl said the four parties will continue to meet to discuss jobs and other possible community benefits.

"The meeting today was more of a team-building effort and I think we achieved that goal," he said.

City Councilwoman Tonya Payne, who represents the Hill and who attended yesterday's meeting, said she was satisfied with the outcome. She has been critical of the approach taken by the group of Hill residents and church leaders in developing a term sheet. She said her hope is that Hill residents "will actually see the development they would like to see."

"They're going to tell us what they like. If they like jobs, if they like housing, if they like business, they're going to tell us and we're here to make sure that that happens," she said.

Mr. Morehouse said the Pens also plan to include Uptown community, Duquesne University, and Downtown stakeholders in the planning.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07118/781748-61.stm

Buzz05
04-30-2007, 09:39 AM
"They're going to tell us what they like. If they like jobs, if they like housing, if they like business, they're going to tell us and we're here to make sure that that happens," she said.



Is it just me or does it seem like the Hill is calling the shots...

83-Steelers-43
04-30-2007, 09:44 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like the Hill is calling the shots...

lol, I think that's safe to say. They tell the officials and the Penguins organization to bow down and they will bow down. Nice how that works huh? Then again, the Penguins and the local officials know the chit storm they will have to deal with if they don't give them what they feel they are "owed".

Eitherway, so much for the "best man for the job" and "working for what you get in life". Excellent message to send to the younger generations. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

HometownGal
04-30-2007, 09:59 AM
The Penguins and a group of Hill District residents and church leaders faced off for the first time yesterday over demands related to the new arena construction.


Demands??? Demands??? Who the hell are they to demand anything of the Pens, the city or anyone for that matter? Clean up your own backyard and stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter. As far as them wanting to monopolize the job industry related to the new arena - do I sense a bit of double-standard discrimination here?

Buzz05
04-30-2007, 10:20 AM
As far as I am looking at this...nothing is going to change in the community. Because with the Pens and the city bailing them out, the same people are going to be there. The prostitutes and the pushers. Sure the area may look nice for a year or 2 (Depending on what businesses and so forth go in) but the first time a fan gets shot or mugged when leaving a game people arent going to want to go to the games. And the Hill will go right back to how it is now..including them begging other people to solve their own problems.

X-Terminator
04-30-2007, 06:38 PM
Mr. Morehouse said arena construction alone should create thousands of jobs and thousands more should follow as redevelopment takes place at the Mellon Arena site.

Exactly what I've been saying all along. Why anyone would be complaining and demanding anything more than that is beyond me...but then again, we have to consider who we're talking about here.

He said the team will look at creating programs to provide jobs specifically for minorities and Hill District residents.


Boy...could you imagine the firestorm that would happen if the team provided jobs specifically for white people? The NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Black Panthers would storm the Penguins' offices at Chatham Center. Talk about a classic double standard.

BTW, has anyone noticed that there hasn't been a peep out of anyone who lives in Uptown? If you've been through that area, much of it is just as blighted as the Hill District and in need of development. It is also a majority black neighborhood. Yet they stayed silent, and lo and behold, they're going to be included in the arena plans. Why couldn't the Hill District leaders do that?

83-Steelers-43
04-30-2007, 07:39 PM
As far as I am looking at this...nothing is going to change in the community. Because with the Pens and the city bailing them out, the same people are going to be there. The prostitutes and the pushers. Sure the area may look nice for a year or 2 (Depending on what businesses and so forth go in) but the first time a fan gets shot or mugged when leaving a game people arent going to want to go to the games. And the Hill will go right back to how it is now..including them begging other people to solve their own problems.

Watch it, the "Reverend" is gonna come getcha'!

Buzz05
05-01-2007, 09:18 AM
Watch it, the "Reverend" is gonna come getcha'!

Reverend? What church does he preech at? The Church of Scraping Off Of Other People's Coat-tails?

83-Steelers-43
05-01-2007, 09:52 AM
Reverend? What church does he preech at? The Church of Scraping Off Of Other People's Coat-tails?

You are correct and I highly recommend him. He got me 5K through "certain means" and I didn't have to do jack chit. Praise Jesus!!!

Buzz05
05-01-2007, 10:42 AM
You are correct and I highly recommend him. He got me 5K through "certain means" and I didn't have to do jack chit. Praise Jesus!!!

Was that 5k through a 99% Interest loan from the church...or did you just have to agree to help the Hill extort money from the city and Pens? Personally I would take the interest..lets soul selling...

83-Steelers-43
05-01-2007, 10:52 AM
Was that 5k through a 99% Interest loan from the church...or did you just have to agree to help the Hill extort money from the city and Pens? Personally I would take the interest..lets soul selling...

I'm sorry, I'm not at liberty to say. I will just say through the hands of the good Lord it was made possible. :wink02:

Buzz05
05-01-2007, 12:01 PM
I know this example could be reaching abit but...I was watching the movie Barbershop 2 the other week. One key theme is urban development and how progress was going to cause the people who lived in Chicago's South Side to move out due to higher taxes and higher everything. Now most of those people I felt bad for just because they all seemed like good people (made for movie I know). But maybe with all this new stuff coming to the Hill it will put pressure on some of the scum that call it home to move out and leave the few good citizens there...but then again if the scum moves from the Hill they will end up some place else...

83-Steelers-43
05-16-2007, 12:04 PM
Penguins choose firms to create new arena
Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins announced today they have selected ICON Venue Group and HOK Sport to oversee design and construction of the new Pittsburgh arena.

ICON Venue Group, a project management company, will oversee the construction process. HOK Sport, a sports architecture firm, will design the multi-purpose facility.

ICON Venue Group and HOK Sport have worked together on a number of projects, including the new Prudential Arena in New Jersey, future home of the New Jersey Devils; the Jobing.com arena in Glendale, Ariz., home of the Phoenix Coyotes; the Pepsi Center in Denver, home of the Colorado Avalanche and Denver Nuggets; the new Sprint Center in Kansas City; and the new O2 arena in London, England, a 20,000-seat facility which will be a host venue for the 2012 Olympics, according to a news release.

HOK Sport also was involved in the design of PNC Park and Heinz Field.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07136/786455-100.stm

Stlrs4Life
06-01-2007, 07:29 PM
Sounds like a pretty reputtable group to do the construction.

83-Steelers-43
06-02-2007, 04:36 AM
Planning to delay Pens' arena '09 opening

By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, June 2, 2007

The Penguins won't move into a new Uptown arena at the start of the 2009 season -- and maybe not until a year after that, officials said Friday.

That doesn't bother team officials, who prefer to take a long-term view of getting the right arena instead of hurrying to build, Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said.

"There's an obligation to the community here to do this the right way," he said. "This is a necessary part of the process. You can't get ahead of yourself. If you're not ready, then you don't do it to just hit a deadline."

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority expected to break ground on the $290 million arena in September and open the building 24 months later. But construction will not start until later this year or early 2008, because the design process has just begun, Executive Director Mary Conturo said.

"We're just now sitting down with the architects and trying to work out a realistic plan for the design of the building," she said. "The planning and design has to be done before we break ground."

The Department of City Planning, sports authority and Penguins will have a community meeting Monday evening to explain a strategy for seeking public input on a design.

The City Planning Commission needs to approve a master development plan for the arena and will consider issues such as traffic congestion, said Planning Director Noor Ismail. A traffic study will be completed this month.

The planning phase could take until September or October.

Incorporating public comments, finalizing plans and setting a guaranteed maximum price for construction could take longer. The sports authority has not hired a construction manager to oversee the project.

Final designs for the arena likely will look different from renderings the team has used for years. It could have more glass to accentuate views of Downtown, and bricks that complement existing architecture.

The Penguins have hired HOK Sport of Kansas City to oversee design. The company provided blueprints for PNC Park and Heinz Field.

At Monday's meeting, officials will lay out a three-step design process. A series of focus group meetings will follow in June and July, and then a second public meeting that hasn't been scheduled.

People who attend can sign up for one of six focus groups: residents; churches and social organizations; community organizations; city and public agencies; business and land owners, and developers; and historic preservation groups.

"It's in everyone's interest," said Greg Weimerskirch, a designer with Urban Design Associates, which was hired to help run the meetings. "The Penguins and city want to bring everybody on board from the beginning."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_510666.html

SteelCityMan786
06-02-2007, 08:23 AM
Good Plan. No sense in rushing. I was looking forward to the 2009-2010 for year 1 at the arena. But if 2010-2011 is the magic year, better later then never.

X-Terminator
06-02-2007, 12:56 PM
Dammit, I was hoping for the arena to be open in 2009, but at the same time, I wondered how they were going to get everything finalized in time for a September groundbreaking, considering that they just hired HOK to design the building. Obviously a project of this magnitude requires very careful planning, and I like and respect that everyone involved wants the building done right, rather than done quickly. I'm hopeful that it will be ready midway through the 2009-10 season, similar to when the Air Canada Centre in Toronto opened...but if not, I won't mind spending one extra season at Mellon. I do wonder though if they would have been able to open the building in 2009 had IOC won the slots license, since it took nearly 4 months to get a Plan B deal done.

83-Steelers-43
06-02-2007, 01:24 PM
Good Plan. No sense in rushing. I was looking forward to the 2009-2010 for year 1 at the arena. But if 2010-2011 is the magic year, better later then never.

I agree. I've waited this long for this organization to receive a new arena, I'm perfectly capable of waiting a little longer. No big deal.

83-Steelers-43
06-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Smizik: Penguins need a statue to go with that new arena
Sunday, June 03, 2007

By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

By most accounts, all is going well with plans for the new arena that will be home to the Penguins.

The site has been selected, buildings are being cleared, plans are being developed. ICON Venue Group, of Denver, will oversee the design and construction. World-renown HOK, of Kansas City, Mo., is involved with the architecture.

Almost everything is covered.

Almost.

One more piece needs to be added to the mix.

A sculptor.

Without such an artist in place, the arena won't be complete. No sculptor, no statue.

And without a statue of Mario Lemieux in front of the building, no matter how grand the design, no matter how spectacular the finished product, Pittsburgh's new arena won't be complete.

The Penguins, of course, have more important things to worry about, such as getting the building done on time. Besides, there's a bit of an awkward situation involved. Lemieux is not only an owner of the team, but also a man whose modesty equals his hockey skills. It's understandable the team might be reluctant to talk about a statue, particularly at this point in time.

But there's no reason the subject of a statue honoring Lemieux shouldn't be on the table. It's an absolute necessity to make the building right. It should be finished and in place when the arena is finished. It shouldn't be hurried or late.

There is ample precedent in Pittsburgh.

Heinz Field has a statue of Art Rooney, the great founder of the Steelers. PNC Park has a statue of Honus Wagner, the Pirates' greatest player, at its home plate entrance, and statues of Roberto Clemente and Willie Stargell on the Federal Street side.

The trend has been set, not that honoring Lemieux required one.

It's not just that no one has done more for hockey in Pittsburgh or for the Penguins than Lemieux. That's a well-known fact. The only athlete who played for a Pittsburgh sports team that is remotely comparable to Lemieux is Wagner, still regarded as the greatest shortstop in baseball history, despite having a career that began more than 100 years ago.

Wagner, whose statue originally stood in Schenley Park beyond the left-field wall at Forbes Field and was moved first to Three Rivers Stadium and then to PNC Park, might have matched Lemieux's accomplishments on the field of play -- he won eight batting titles -- but his contributions to the franchise are not comparable.

Baseball was going to be established in Pittsburgh whether the Pirates had traded with the Louisville Colonels for Wagner (the transaction involved 15 players and $25,000) on Dec. 8, 1899, or not.

But had the Penguins not done their worst late in the 1983-84 season in order to finish last and win the draft rights to Lemieux, there is ample reason to believe the franchise would be elsewhere or out of existence today.

By the sheer magic of his play, Lemieux fostered tremendous growth in the sport both from a playing and spectator standpoint. Little more than 20 years after his rookie season, Pittsburgh amateur hockey has reached the point it is regularly developing professional players, which would have been unheard of before Lemieux. From a spectator standpoint, all it takes is a decent team to draw a capacity crowd to Mellon Arena. In the pre-Lemieux days, when the Civic Arena had a capacity of fewer than 13,000, it was as much the rule as the exception that the building would be half full or less.

Lemieux changed all that and the culture of the franchise. He turned the Penguins from perennial losers to Stanley Cup champions.

He should be honored with a statue and, inside the arena, there should be a Hall of Fame area to honor the many players and people who built the franchise and made it great.

So what will the statue in front of the new building, perhaps to be named UPMC Arena, look like?

It could be the traditional hockey pose, with Lemieux slightly bent, stick crossed in front of him and ready to play.

Better still, Lemieux in full stride, head up, puck on stick with an imaginary goalie quivering in the distance.

Either would be good, but here's our favorite: A joyous and exhausted Lemieux hoisting the Stanley Cup.

What a sight that would be for future generations of hockey fans.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07154/791150-194.stm

83-Steelers-43
06-03-2007, 05:14 AM
No Bob, we should have a statue of yourself in front of the new arena after this past article pertaining to Pittsburgh and the Penguins organization.....http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07028/757434-194.stm.

Thanks for the support ****head. Please do me a favor Bob, do what you know best and please reinsert your head back into your asino and continue to be a complete and pathetic shill for the Pittsburgh Pirates organization.

Thanks and keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

(Dejan, please come back)

83-Steelers-43
06-04-2007, 04:39 PM
Penguins hire Porter as a senior consultant
Responsible for community outreach and strategic planning
Monday, June 04, 2007

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins today hired Ron Porter, president of RDP Consultant Services, as senior consultant, responsible for community outreach and strategic planning.

Porter, 62, of the Hill District, is a consultant, trainer and speaker with expertise in team-building and collaboration between corporations and their communities. He also is an adjunct instructor of multicultural management at Carnegie Mellon's Heinz School of Public Policy and Management.

"Ron brings more than 40 years of experience in community outreach, corporate team-building and corporate human resources to this new position," Penguins president David Morehouse said in a statement. "In addition, he possesses an intimate knowledge of the region and its people that can be of great assistance to the Penguins and our partners as we move forward into an exciting new era. We conducted a two-month search and it became very obvious to us that Ron Porter was the right person for the job."

The Penguins are building a new arena in the Uptown/Hill District area.

"I'm excited about the opportunity to work with the Penguins as we embrace this tremendous opportunity to have a positive, long-lasting impact on the city and the region," Porter said. "I'm looking forward to helping the organization link with diverse elements in the community and continue to be good neighbors and corporate citizens.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07155/791453-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
06-05-2007, 07:15 AM
Meeting on arena attracts hundreds
Tuesday, June 05, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

It was a hockey night in Pittsburgh but this one had virtually nothing to do with the game on the ice.

More than 230 people piled into Mellon Arean last night to kick off an elaborate public participation process toward the development of a master plan for a new arena.

For nearly two hours, more than a dozen people, many of them from the Hill District, voiced their concerns, frustrations, and thoughts about the proposed $290 million arena and its impact.

Some raised concerns about Penguins fans parking on their streets before games. Others wanted to make sure a rightful share of construction work would go to minority- and women-owned businesses.

And while last night's meeting was arranged in part so that people could have a say in the development, many Hill residents, mindful of too many broken promises in the past, remained skeptical as to whether their voices would be heard and heeded this time.

"Whatever agreement you get from these folks, you better make sure it's legal and in writing," said Lois M. Cain, a founding member of the Hill District Consensus Group.

Throughout the meeting, architect Don Carter, president of Urban Design Associates, the firm that is representing the Penguins in the planning process, sought to assure those in attendance that they would have a say in the development.

At one point, Mr. Carter told the crowd it simply would "have to trust the process" only to be greeted by shouts of "NO" from some.

Still, he stressed the goal is to get as much input from residents as possible, adding the process put together for the arena is one the most elaborate he has seen in his years as an architect and designer.

"We've opened the door as wide as we can. We're going to listen," he said. "This is an honest effort. The doors are all open."

Toward that end, people had the opportunity last night to sign up for one of six focus groups that will meet later this summer to discuss the arena construction and to get updates on design and a traffic study now in the works. There was no word last night on just how many did so.

Those sessions will be followed by another public meeting to solicit more comment and opinion. The public participation process was organized by the city planning department, the city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority and the team.

City Councilwoman Tonya Payne said she was heartened by the turnout last night and the fact so many residents spoke out, not just those representing a few groups.

"You need to respect these people and this process," she told representatives for the team and the two public agencies.

Several people complained that the redevelopment of the 28-acre Mellon Arena site and a proposed community benefits agreement for the Hill were not part of this stage of arena planning.

Mr. Carter said that would come later. Marimba Milliones, a Hill resident representing community interests in the planning process, added it was important for people to participate at this stage.

While the process may not be about the redevelopment or the benefits agreement right now, "it is about community participation and how much we care about what happens in our backyard," she said.

Ted Black, Penguins vice president of business and legal affairs, said the team truly is interested in working with people in the Hill -- and other areas as well -- on the project.

Earlier in the day, the Penguins announced the hiring of Ron Porter, president of RDP Consulting Services, as a senior consultant to coordinate outreach efforts in the Hill and elsewhere.

Mr. Porter, a Hill native and a co-chair of the former Pittsburgh Gaming Task Force, has expertise in team-building and collaboration between corporations and their communities.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07156/791604-61.stm

Buzz05
06-05-2007, 07:24 AM
"Whatever agreement you get from these folks, you better make sure it's legal and in writing," said Lois M. Cain, a founding member of the Hill District Consensus Group.



So Ms. Cain, you saying that the Pens management cant be trusted...well thats sounds very reassuring from someone who is part of a group trying to extort money from the team and the city. I know major sprots franchises can be hard to trust...but in this case I thinks its a simple case of the Pot calling the Kettle black.

HometownGal
06-05-2007, 07:46 AM
"it is about community participation and how much we care about what happens in our backyard," she said.


Forgive me, but I just can't stop laughing. :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: :toofunny:

83-Steelers-43
06-05-2007, 08:04 AM
Buzz, I hear ya and agree completely.

Some raised concerns about Penguins fans parking on their streets before games.

Yeah there should be concerns, take it from me, don't do it unless you want to spend hours up at the Hill District police station after a hockey game filing a complaint over some sack of shit stealing and demolishing your car.

Others wanted to make sure a rightful share of construction work would go to minority- and women-owned businesses.

Once again, excellent message to send to the youth. No shocker here.

Buzz05
06-05-2007, 08:53 AM
This whole issue just annoys me to no end. Not that the arena is going in the Hill. But how the Hill people are acting. Like its their right to have the arena..no its a privaledge. Rather then say what they want for compensation for the Pens generosity as I see it they should be working with the Pens to make it an all around better place for the community. Not relying on the Pens to do everything and roll around in the Pens and the city's money like a bunch of fat hogs rolling around in mud.

83-Steelers-43
06-05-2007, 09:05 AM
I feel the Hill residents need to pull their end of the bargain. Cleaning up the area for starters. Crack houses on every other block, prostitutes and drug dealers on every other corner......maybe if they were as vocal against those problems as they were with shaking down the Penguins and city the problems up there wouldn't be as bad. You can blame the city and police for the area's problems, but it takes a whole neighborhood to step up to the plate and let it be known that they will not put up with that type of stuff.

Look no further than Bloomfield. Safe area for the most part but if you drive two miles in any direction and your either in Garfield, Morningside or East Liberty. East Liberty used to be a nice, quiet neighborhood, not anymore. My grandfather grew up there back in the day as did all his buddies. East Liberty 'was' Pittsburgh's Little Italy at one point. Now it's Bloomfield because most of the Italian's and some Polish who lived in the area moved out. Considering that Bloomfield is surrounded by some bad neighborhoods they have kept that area pretty damn safe.

Anyways, I'm sure the Hill residents will get what they are "owed".

X-Terminator
06-05-2007, 09:46 AM
Forgive me, but I just can't stop laughing. :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny: :toofunny:

I found the entire story funny, quite frankly! If they actually cared about what happened in their back yard, the Hill wouldn't be the shithole it is today. And I'm really, REALLY tired of the entitlement mentality that these people have - it's like if the Pens don't bend over and take it up the ass from them, they will never be satisfied. No wonder it's so hard for a black person such as myself to be taken seriously by some people. Now to be fair, I know a woman who lives on Webster Ave. in the Hill District, and she isn't caught up in this crap surrounding the arena, nor does she think she's entitled to anything from them. I'm sure she isn't the only one who thinks that, but as always, they get drowned out by the others who think the world owes them something.

X-Terminator
06-05-2007, 09:52 AM
This whole issue just annoys me to no end. Not that the arena is going in the Hill. But how the Hill people are acting. Like its their right to have the arena..no its a privaledge. Rather then say what they want for compensation for the Pens generosity as I see it they should be working with the Pens to make it an all around better place for the community. Not relying on the Pens to do everything and roll around in the Pens and the city's money like a bunch of fat hogs rolling around in mud.

If it were up to me, I'd have found a way to build it on the North Shore, and told them all to go pound sand. Yes, North Side residents wanted their share of the pie when the stadiums were built, but having lived there at the time, I don't recall them raising the kind of fuss that the Hill District people are, and the North Side has a large black population. Nobody would complain if the Hill residents worked side-by-side with the Pens, but we all should have known that wasn't going to happen. Instead, it's gimme, gimme, gimme, and quite honestly it makes me sick.

83-Steelers-43
06-05-2007, 10:12 AM
But how the Hill people are acting. Like its their right to have the arena..no its a privaledge.

While it doesn't surprise me at all, I don't see how the "you owe me" attitude helps anybody, the younger generations in particular. If your expecting to be "owed" anything in this world your in for a very rude awakening. Then again, these people are probably going to get what they are "owed" because we all know what will happen if they don't what they are "owed". A hell storm.

as I see it they should be working with the Pens to make it an all around better place for the community.

That would be nice and I would take these people more seriously if that were the case, but as you and I both know that will never happen. It's "put out my hand and give it to me".

Not relying on the Pens to do everything and roll around in the Pens and the city's money like a bunch of fat hogs rolling around in mud.

Read first response in this post.

Buzz, this whole situation is a joke and this joke will work out just fine for the people who want everything for free in life while sending that very same message to the younger generation. Unbelievable, but like I stated earlier, I'm not the least bit surprised.

Buzz05
06-05-2007, 10:15 AM
If it were up to me, I'd have found a way to build it on the North Shore, and told them all to go pound sand. .

At this point I think anything is a better idea then the Hill

Buzz05
06-05-2007, 10:18 AM
While it doesn't surprise me at all, I don't see how the "you owe me" attitude helps anybody, the younger generations in particular. If your expecting to be "owed" anything in this world your in for a very rude awakening. Then again, these people are probably going to get what they are "owed" because we all know what will happen if they don't what they are "owed". A hell storm.


And that hell storm would be ridiculous. The Pens and the city are litterally over a barrell and pretty much have to comply. Its no wonder that with people like this running neighborhoods and schools that people say the younger generation, my generation, has lost its work ethic

83-Steelers-43
06-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Its no wonder that with people like this running neighborhoods and schools that people say the younger generation, my generation, has lost its work ethic

You know, when my grandparents moved from East Liberty to the South Hills my mother remembers my grandmother stating "The younger generations are going to pot". My mom blew it off and thought to herself "yeah, yeah,". Then I remember when I was in highschool I remember hearing my mother state "This generation and upcoming generations are heading in the wrong direction" and I thought to myself "yeah, yeah," and basically blew off her comments.

As I grew older I started seeing exactly what both of them meant. Turn on MTV or BET for further proof.

Buzz05
06-05-2007, 10:50 AM
As I grew older I started seeing exactly what both of them meant. Turn on MTV or BET for further proof.

Yeah its a shame. I just hope the new arena doesnt fall into the same traps that the rest of the Hill did. I hope nothing but good comes out of this I really do. Its just I dont see it with the people who are there running things.

SteelCityMan786
06-05-2007, 03:07 PM
You know, when my grandparents moved from East Liberty to the South Hills my mother remembers my grandmother stating "The younger generations are going to pot". My mom blew it off and thought to herself "yeah, yeah,". Then I remember when I was in highschool I remember hearing my mother state "This generation and upcoming generations are heading in the wrong direction" and I thought to myself "yeah, yeah," and basically blew off her comments.

As I grew older I started seeing exactly what both of them meant. Turn on MTV or BET for further proof.

That is where most people in my generation are now

HometownGal
06-05-2007, 05:50 PM
At this point I think anything is a better idea then the Hill

I don't understand why these bloodsuckers are making a ruckus anyway - the area where the new arena is going to be built is "Uptown", not "the Hill". Next they're going to be wanting to take over downtown Pittsburgh and telling developers where, when and how they can build. Sadly, I would bet dollars to donuts that most of those bit ching haven't paid their real estate taxes in years. Everytime I see them on TV with their signs, I switch the channel as I really think my shoe would bust the television screen.

Buzz05
06-06-2007, 07:10 AM
Everytime I see them on TV with their signs, I switch the channel as I really think my shoe would bust the television screen.


I wouldnt waste a perfectly good TV on them...at most I would through that ugly vase that a crazy aunt baunt..but def not a good tv. I wouldnt give them the satisfaction.

83-Steelers-43
06-06-2007, 08:19 AM
I wouldnt give them the satisfaction.

I just simply laugh and shake my head at them. It's not like I will be giving anybody in that area my business when I go up there for games. My buddies and I will continue to drive down there, watch the game and leave the area for a bite to eat directly after the game.

Nevermind the safety concerns surrounding the arena, I just don't want to put a penny in any of those people's pockets. I would rather give my money to people who actually earn what they get in life.

What I will be watching with interest........how long any of these places last. Whether they go out of business or turn into another crack infested corner.

SteelCityMan786
06-07-2007, 04:01 PM
http://post-gazette.com/pg/07158/792289-100.stm

$325 million bond issue approved to build arena

Thursday, June 07, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Construction of a new home for the Penguins moved forward today with several votes by the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority.

The SEA board authorized a $325 million bond issue to pay for the $290 million arena, a capital reserve fund and financing of the bonds.

The board also approved a lease agreement that will prevent the Penguins from leaving the city for almost 30 years.

And the board agreed formally to purchase the old St. Francis Central Hospital from the team for $8.5 million. The building is in the construction area and will be demolished.

Board members authorized continuation of surcharges on tickets that the Penguins will use to cover their share of construction costs.

83-Steelers-43
06-07-2007, 04:14 PM
Alright, let's Git-R-Done.

83-Steelers-43
06-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Penguins to get Melody Tent development rights
Wednesday, June 13, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins' bid to develop 28 acres adjacent to the Hill District as part of the new arena deal could clear a key hurdle this week with an action by the city's Urban Redevelopment Authority board.

Board members are expected to vote tomorrow on a 10-year option agreement with Pittsburgh Arena Real Estate Redevelopment, a Penguins affiliate, that would give the team control over the URA-owned Melody Tent site, now used as a parking lot.

The parcel is part of the 28 acres the Penguins won the right to develop in the agreement reached with state and local leaders in March to build a new arena. Those 28 acres include the land on which Mellon Arena sits and the arena's lower and upper parking lots.

Under the March deal and the proposed URA agreement, the Penguins' 10-year option on the land would start one year after the new arena is completed.

The team is required to develop 10 percent of the land each year, or face the risk of losing all or a portion of it. The Penguins must pay fair market value for the land, but will have access to $15 million in credits to offset the purchase price as a "further incentive to development," according to a URA report discussing the Melody Tent site.

"This agreement reflects a material part of the overall agreement reached to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh and to finance the new arena," the report says.

As part of the March deal, the team also must negotiate in good faith with Pittsburgh casino license winner Don Barden about his potential participation in development of the 28 acres. Those talks have yet to start.

Last week, the city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority board gave Executive Director Mary Conturo authorization to enter an option agreement with the team regarding development of the Mellon Arena site. Ms. Conturo said, however, that probably won't be finalized for at least six months, as officials focus first on arena construction.

The development rights could provide the Penguins with another revenue stream once the new arena is up. The team also has the option of using some of the land for parking before it is developed.

As part of the Isle of Capri Inc. bid for the Pittsburgh casino, the Penguins had teamed with Nationwide Realty Investors of Columbus, Ohio, to redevelop the 28-acre site with offices, housing, restaurants, retail and entertainment facilities, and to re-establish a street grid to reconnect the Hill with Downtown.

Nationwide dropped out of the picture after Mr. Barden won the casino license.

The Penguins have yet to select a new developer as part of the arena deal, but are expected to look at similar uses for the land.

Hill groups and residents are pushing for a say in the redevelopment and a community benefits agreement with the Penguins on issues that could include jobs, housing and givebacks.

In other matters tomorrow, the URA board is expected to consider:

$910,000 in Pittsburgh Development Fund loans to the Ferchill Group as part of the financing for the $46 million Bridgeside Point II wet lab/office building at the Pittsburgh Technology Center in South Oakland.

An agreement with the Soffer Organization and Development Opportunity Corp. for development of a 140-room hotel, plus 23 condominiums, in a building of up to 13 floors at the SouthSide Works complex.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07164/793553-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
06-14-2007, 11:19 PM
Here we go, let the complaining begin........:yawn::coffee:

Penguins get rights to develop land by arena
Hill residents upset over deal with URA
Friday, June 15, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The city's Urban Redevelopment Authority board approved an agreement yesterday that gives the Penguins development rights to land above Mellon Arena over the objections of a group of Hill District residents concerned about its impact on a proposed community agreement.

Led by state Rep. Jake Wheatley, the group wanted the board to delay approval until the team committed to a community benefits agreement as part of its lease for a new arena.

Despite the protests, board members opted to press ahead with the 10-year option agreement on the 9.5-acre Melody Tent site, saying it was an important element of the deal to build a new arena and keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh.

Don Kortlandt, the URA's general counsel, said the team would not sign the arena lease with the city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority until agreements were in place regarding development rights.

The Penguins won the right to develop 28 acres of land adjacent to the Hill District and the new arena, and agreed to remain in Pittsburgh, in the deal reached in March with state and local leaders. The 28 acres include the Mellon Arena property and the Melody Tent site.

Mr. Kortlandt said the Penguins consider the development rights to be "an important part of the economics of their deal" and wanted agreements in place before the lease signing.

"That was part of the quid pro quo for them staying in Pittsburgh," he said.

A delay could affect the timing of a $325 million bond issue, possibly increase interest rates and potentially create a funding shortfall that could jeopardize the project, he said.

"I think the situation could spin out of control," he said.

URA board members also said there would be plenty of opportunities to hold the Penguins to a community benefits agreement through city master plan and project development approvals and future URA reviews.

"There are so many steps involved I don't see the need to delay," board Chairman Yarone Zober said.

The URA also released text of a letter signed by Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, county Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Penguins President David Morehouse committing the politicians and the sports authority to working in "good faith toward a community benefits agreement" involving the new arena and the 28-acre redevelopment.

The Penguins, the letter says, "welcome the opportunity to actively participate in this process and enter into a community benefits agreement that would require the Penguins to be a party."

The benefits agreement may cover employment, minority contracts, business support and other issues that affect the community.

"At the end of the day, there will be a [community benefits agreement]," said URA board member Tonya Payne, a city councilwoman who represents the Hill.

Mr. Wheatley described the URA approval as a "slap in the face," saying he did not believe a delay would affect interest rates enough to cause a problem with the arena financing.

"For me, I think that's just a cover for them trying to move this process without really having to make the Penguins make a true commitment in writing," he said.

The letter is "not good enough," he said, arguing that a community benefits commitment must be part of the lease. Mr. Wheatley said he would seek to block any state funding for the arena until there is such a promise.

Suggestions that a delay could hamper or kill the arena deal are "totally bogus," he insisted.

"I think the Penguins have always used the fact that [they] will leave as [the] hammer to get everything they want," he said.

Carl Redwood, a spokesman for the One Hill CBA Coalition, also was skeptical of URA claims that the Penguins wanted to see the option agreement in place before they signed the lease.

"The Penguins have been twisting the arm of the city and the county and the state ... to get a good deal for themselves. We need to make sure there's a good deal for the community," he said.

Also yesterday, the URA board agreed to be a conduit for $30 million in state funding awarded as part of the financing for the construction of a $200 million cancer and biomedical research facility in the former Ford Assembly Plant on Baum Boulevard in Shadyside. The UPMC project, which is expected to take several years to complete, will create as many as 452 new jobs.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07166/794367-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
06-17-2007, 12:55 PM
Hey Hill Reisdents that are getting on all of our nerves.

You put yourself in this situation you *******s. NOT THE PENGUINS! You could have joined us in supporting IOC during our first pitch for an arena, but no, you had to go whine your asses off to the Gaming Control Board leaving ALL OF US who are Penguins fans pissed off.

Now that we have an arena for the Penguins offically, you still are whining and bitching. I have a great idea, next time this happens JOIN THE FIRST EFFORT.

Otherwise shut the hell up. We're tired of you whining the hell at us. You just made it harder for the Steelers to have parking spaces for the games. Not to mention OVER 60,000+ People attend Steelers Games which makes it hard to park.

83-Steelers-43
06-17-2007, 09:02 PM
The way I look at it..........

Why would they jump on the IOC board? They knew this was the best situation in order to get something for free (surprised?). These scumbags knew exactly what they were doing from day one. The IOC would have been a great deal for all of Allegheny County and people who actually work for a living, but for that particular part of town this deal was excellent. Why work for a living? That would involve self pride, dignity and getting off your ***. Hell, you don't do **** for a living and you contribute absolutely nothing to society.......why jump on IOC? Let's jump on the group who will give us something that we are owed.

My buddies and I (and anybody else in this city who works for a living) have sat back, shook our heads and have simply laughed at this whole situation. The kicker..............these scumbags will get what they want. God forbid if they dont. We all know what happens. It's a joke.

SteelCityMan786
06-17-2007, 09:29 PM
The way I look at it..........

Why would they jump on the IOC board? They knew this was the best situation in order to get something for free (surprised?). These scumbags knew exactly what they were doing from day one. The IOC would have been a great deal for all of Allegheny County and people who actually work for a living, but for that particular part of town this deal was excellent. Why work for a living? That would involve self pride, dignity and getting off your ***. Hell, you don't do **** for a living and you contribute absolutely nothing to society.......why jump on IOC? Let's jump on the group who will give us something that we are owed.

My buddies and I (and anybody else in this city who works for a living) have sat back, shook our heads and have simply laughed at this whole situation. The kicker..............these scumbags will get what they want. God forbid if they dont. We all know what happens. It's a joke.

You make excellent points brother.

The hill residents that don't work or go to school need to GET A CLUE. Those of us who go to work to make a living or those of us like me who go to school to help build for our futures so we can make a living would like to have something that we can look forward to after our day at work and school are over. Especially since a lot of us work our tales off a lot of the time while we are there. Another thing to, if your representatives aren't getting the job done in office for you, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM!

Another thing, the only things you are owed in life are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In addition, who in the world ever said you have to get everything you ask for? NEWSFLASH! There is thing, and it's called life. Life is not always fair. Repeat this saying to those people who just want to annoy us all to death. "I can't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I might find, I get what I need."

I've just pretty much sat back and just listend to all of these people whine and nag. Keep on making news Hill District, We'll just fire it back at ya!

X-Terminator
06-17-2007, 10:07 PM
Seeing all of those Hill District "leaders" whining is just downright embarrassing to me as a black man. I really wish they would focus on trying to work with the city and the Penguins rather than get what they want through force. That's how mature, responsible people get things done. But I guess that is asking too much.

Thank God my mother drilled into my head from the time I was able to understand that nobody in this world owes me a damn thing, and that if I want something, I have to work for it. If only more black folks were given the same advice...

83-Steelers-43
06-17-2007, 10:48 PM
You make excellent points brother.

The hill residents that don't work or go to school need to GET A CLUE. Those of us who go to work to make a living or those of us like me who go to school to help build for our futures so we can make a living would like to have something that we can look forward to after our day at work and school are over. Especially since a lot of us work our tales off a lot of the time while we are there. Another thing to, if your representatives aren't getting the job done in office for you, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM!

Another thing, the only things you are owed in life are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In addition, who in the world ever said you have to get everything you ask for? NEWSFLASH! There is thing, and it's called life. Life is not always fair. Repeat this saying to those people who just want to annoy us all to death. "I can't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I might find, I get what I need."

I've just pretty much sat back and just listend to all of these people whine and nag. Keep on making news Hill District, We'll just fire it back at ya!

That's the kicker man. The IOC would have benefited this whole county. The arena was free. No cost if the IOC got it's way. Unlike other cities who receive new arena's or ball parks, we were fortunate with that deal. But these a-holes (even the ones who are acting like they actually work for a living) are getting what they want. Hand-me-outs. Once again, I'm not surprised at all.[/U][/B].

SteelCityMan786
06-17-2007, 11:06 PM
That's the kicker man. The IOC would have benefited this whole county. The arena was free. No cost if the IOC got it's way. Unlike other cities who receive new arena's or ball parks, we were fortunate with that deal. But these a-holes (even the ones who are acting like they actually work for a living) are getting what they want. Hand-me-outs. Once again, I'm not surprised at all.

What upsets me the most.....people who are not fake pieces of **** and people who actually work for what they get are getting screwed. With IOC, that arena was free.

BINGO! You hit the nail on the coffin. If the state ends having to bail out barden, that means not just today's work force that is living in PA, but also future generations are going to have to contribute through taxes.

One more reason why IOC would have just made things easier. The Hill Leaders are still failing on there section of town in my opinion and is trying to hold Pittsburgh back from it's potential. The Potential to grow. The City's population is not getting much bigger if at all. If there is growth, people will come/stay, if there is none, people will not come/leave.

HometownGal
06-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Seeing all of those Hill District "leaders" whining is just downright embarrassing to me as a black man. I really wish they would focus on trying to work with the city and the Penguins rather than get what they want through force. That's how mature, responsible people get things done. But I guess that is asking too much.

Thank God my mother drilled into my head from the time I was able to understand that nobody in this world owes me a damn thing, and that if I want something, I have to work for it. If only more black folks were given the same advice...

As I'm sure you understand, Eric- these people don't know how to get anything other than by forceful means (and playing the race card, of course). I"m in total agreement with those that supported the IOC deal - it was the best deal for not only the Pens, but for the city and yes - those lazy sh itbags on the Hill. It's all fine and dandy for minorities to be considered for the jobs that will be available via this development, but they should have to be qualified for these positions and commit themselves to being responsible employees which means showing up for work and earning their pay instead of expecting a handout for doing basically nothing. I'm sick to death of their incessant whining and wanting a say in something they themselves have not lifted one finger to improve for decades.

SteelCityMan786
06-18-2007, 04:21 PM
Seeing all of those Hill District "leaders" whining is just downright embarrassing to me as a black man. I really wish they would focus on trying to work with the city and the Penguins rather than get what they want through force. That's how mature, responsible people get things done. But I guess that is asking too much.

Thank God my mother drilled into my head from the time I was able to understand that nobody in this world owes me a damn thing, and that if I want something, I have to work for it. If only more black folks were given the same advice...

I feel sorry for the people of your race who are not whining about this who are getting a bad rep for this. Those "leaders" are elected for a reason. It's to work with the city to improve the conditions for EVERYONE in their area and throughout the city.

It's a good thing that some moms(like our own and many others with their own kids) drilled into our heads in order to get what you want, you have to work for it. If she didn't tell me that, I probably wouldn't be as mature as I am now.

SteelCityMan786
06-23-2007, 11:49 PM
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_514133.html

Pens officials check out Columbus arena
By Rob Rossi
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, June 24, 2007

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Team officials took advantage of their stay in the draft's host city to tour Nationwide Arena. Tours of modern NHL facilities have become the norm for Penguins brass since the organization reached terms with local public officials in March on funding for a multipurpose facility to replace Mellon Arena.

Nationwide Arena opened to rave reviews for the 2000-01 season, and one feature that intrigues the Penguins are a pair of 80-foot towers that anchor the west end of the seating bowl. The Blue Jackets made use of those towers by converting them into party suites.

Minnesota's Xcel Energy Center, which also opened for the 2000-01 season, has similar tower suites. The Penguins are believed to have identified that facility as one after which they might pattern their new building.

There is no set design for Pittsburgh's new arena, which most likely will open for the 2010-11 season. The Penguins have hired Kansas City-based HOK Sport to design the facility.

83-Steelers-43
06-25-2007, 10:54 AM
Rendell won't approve budget without money for Pens
By Brad Bumsted
STATE CAPITOL REPORTER
Monday, June 25, 2007

HARRISBURG -- Gov. Ed Rendell said today he'd consider vetoing the entire state budget if it doesn't include money for a new Penguins arena.

"I'd have to think about holding everything up, because that's crucial," Rendell said at a news conference.

Rendell stopped short of a flat-out veto threat based on the $7.5 million in state funding planned for the Uptown arena. The state loses the authority to spend money if a budget isn't in place by Saturday at midnight.

The governor said he believes the money will be there.

"I don't think our Pittsburgh and Southwest Pennsylvania delegations would allow that to happen, so I assume that's a given. Otherwise we're not going to have a Penguins arena for the season we're hoping to have it," Rendell said.

The Pittsburgh arena deal calls for the state to pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years from a development fund backed with slots money. Detroit-based Majestic Star Casino agreed to pay another $7.5 million annually for 30 years from the profits at its planned North Shore casino. The Penguins would pay $3.8 million a year.

Rendell said he would not sign a $27 billion-plus state budget if it fails to include:

-- More than $1 billion a year in additional money for highways, bridges and mass transit. The current $750 million House plan is inadequate, Rendell said.

-- His proposed $500 million Jonas Salk Fund for expanded biomedical research.

-- Another fund created with state borrowing and a 45-cent per month hike in electric bills to pay for alternative energy projects. Rendell doesn't consider that a tax increase because the entire plan eventually would lower people's electric bills, he said.

The governor said the Senate-passed budget that falls $300 million short of his spending plan is insufficient.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_514324.html

SteelCityMan786
06-25-2007, 11:08 AM
Good Job Ed! You're getting better. Raise his approval to 30%.

Don't let them House and Senate Members put out a budget that doesn't help the Penguins out to.

83-Steelers-43
06-27-2007, 11:03 PM
Onorato lobbies for approval of slots bill to expedite arena
Thursday, June 28, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato is pressing state legislators to approve a slots-related bill critical to the funding of a new arena before they recess for the summer.

Mr. Onorato has been talking to legislators about approving a bill that would authorize spending from a "gaming economic development fund" that gets 5 percent of the gross revenue raised each year from slot machines, spokesman Kevin Evanto said yesterday.

The spending is critical to a deal that state and local leaders reached with the Penguins in March to build a new arena and keep the team in Pittsburgh.

Gov. Ed Rendell has committed $7.5 million annually for 30 years from the fund as part of the financing for the arena. Pittsburgh casino license winner Don Barden has committed another $7.5 million a year.

The Penguins' share starts at $3.6 million a year but could go up by $500,000 annually if the team decides to build a parking garage as part of the arena complex.

The Legislature's failure to approve the measure authorizing the spending before it recesses could affect a $325 million bond issue for the project and jeopardize the start of construction.

"This has to happen or it could delay the arena construction," Mr. Evanto said. "It's critical to get the funding [authorized] or else construction could get delayed."

The arena isn't the only project that could be affected. Millions also are earmarked from the fund for expansion of the convention center in Philadelphia.

The fund was created in the 2004 slots law.

There are fears that the authorization bill could be delayed or lost in the ongoing battle over the state budget. The new state fiscal year starts Sunday, but it's uncertain whether Mr. Rendell and state legislative leaders can reach a budget agreement by then.

The Legislature typically recesses for the summer after a new spending plan has been approved.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07179/797813-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
06-28-2007, 11:11 PM
Pens' arena money moves closer
By Brad Bumsted
STATE CAPITOL REPORTER
Friday, June 29, 2007

HARRISBURG -- The state House on Thursday approved legislation authorizing $8 million a year in state money for a Penguins arena, but the bill isn't guaranteed final approval before lawmakers recess for the summer.

The bill authorizing spending from a special development fund created by the 2004 slots law is among issues pending as the divided Legislature works toward agreement on a $27 billion state budget.

It's not clear when lawmakers will wrap up business at the Capitol. The budget is due under the state constitution by midnight Saturday.

Failure to act on the arena funding bill before recess "could be a deal breaker" for Pittsburgh's arena, said Sen. Jay Costa, D-Forest Hills .

"I do believe we'll be getting it done. It's imperative we get it done," Costa said. But he acknowledged, "There are always potential snags."

Sen. Wayne Fontana, D-Brookline, said he shares concerns about the looming budget battle delaying or derailing the arena process. The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority cannot go to the bond market for arena money until the state commits annual funding to pay down the debt, said Fontana, who serves on the sports authority board.

A short delay would not mean dramatically higher interest rates, he said, but a longer delay -- combined with rising interest rates -- could leave a shortfall in the agreement to pay for an arena.

The Penguins declined comment yesterday.

Lawmakers have expressed concern about other projects getting money.

The House bill authorizes $1.5 billion worth of projects -- including $25 million for the National Aviary expansion; $33 million for "construction, infrastructure and other related costs" for Strip District improvements; and $5 million for acquisition, construction and other costs at the Pittsburgh Zoo & PPG Aquarium.

Sen. John Pippy, R-Moon, said he received assurances from the Governor's Office that the development fund -- which gets 5 percent of slots profits -- will pay the $150 million for debt service and development at Pittsburgh International Airport in his district.

Costa said he believes money for Pittsburgh's arena would come "off the top" of deposits into the fund, which is expected to receive about $20 million this year and $161 million over the next two years.

The arena was not designated for money in the slots law, as was the airport. The law also specified $80 million for economic development in Allegheny County. Philadelphia and Allegheny County get money from the fund for 10 years.

Some lawmakers are jittery about the huge price tag for the expansion of Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia -- $880 million over 30 years. Money from the gambling fund would repay the state General Fund for bonds that will be issued, according to the House Appropriations Committee.

"We have heard concerns about the proposed level of funding for the Pennsylvania Convention Center," said Erik Arneson, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-Delaware County.

When the Penguins and Gov. Ed Rendell announced an agreement in March on paying for Pittsburgh's arena, it appeared to end a torturous, years-long process that included team threats to relocate to another city. The state and the planned Majestic Star Casino in the North Shore each agreed to pay $7.5 million a year. The Penguins would pay $3.8 million a year.

The sports authority planned to break ground in September but delayed the start of arena construction until late this year at the earliest. The Uptown arena wouldn't open until the middle of the 2009 hockey season or the 2010 season.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_514998.html

Buzz05
06-29-2007, 05:55 AM
Pens' arena money moves closer...To the hands of the Hill District Shakedown Artists
By Brad Bumsted
STATE CAPITOL REPORTER
Friday, June 29, 2007

Just thought I would change the title to whats really going to happen

83-Steelers-43
06-29-2007, 03:34 PM
Budget impasse could jeopardize arena deal
Saturday, June 30, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell and the Penguins turned up pressure on the state Senate yesterday to act on a bill critical to funding a new arena before the Legislature recesses for the summer, saying the project could be in jeopardy without it.

"The money is there but the Penguins have said that if the bill isn't passed in this session it could delay construction for a year and that might put the deal in jeopardy," said Chuck Ardo, Mr. Rendell's spokesman.

Mr. Ardo said Mr. Rendell is "doing everything in his power" to get the Senate to act on the bill, which provides $7.5 million a year for 30 years toward the arena construction.

The arena money is included in a new $1.6 billion fund for capital projects created as part of the 2004 law legalizing slot machine gambling in Pennsylvania. The law directs 5 percent of gross gambling revenue each year to the development and tourism fund.

Mr. Ardo said it would be an "absolute travesty" for the project to be threatened after state and local leaders worked so hard during the winter to reach a deal with the Penguins to build a new arena and keep the team in Pittsburgh.

In response to the statements, Penguins President David Morehouse said, "If this legislative session ends without arena funding in place, the entire funding structure for the arena and the arena project would be in jeopardy."

A delay could prevent the Pittsburgh-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority from issuing $325 million in bonds to fund construction. It also might allow interest rates to creep up, which could create a shortfall in the financing crafted as part of the deal with the Penguins, and conceivably could lead to a renegotiation of the terms.

The legislation already has passed the House but remains holed up in the Senate.

In an interview last night with KDKA-TV, Mr. Rendell said Senate Republican leaders told him they're not going to move the bill "because nobody cares very much about it except for me." He urged people to contact their senators to voice support for the legislation.

Sen. Jane Orie, R-McCandless, said legislators outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are hesitant to act on the bill until a state budget is passed. She said they consider that their top priority, not funding for the arena or the Philadelphia convention center expansion in the bill.

Mr. Rendell is still battling the Legislature over the budget and the fight likely will stretch beyond today's deadline for adopting a spending plan.

Ms. Orie, Senate Republican whip, the third highest leadership post, believes the arena funding bill has a good chance of passing once the budget is resolved. She accused Mr. Rendell of using the threat of the project being in jeopardy as a "scare tactic" to try to force action.

"I believe it can get done. If the governor negotiated a budget instead of going on the radio it would make it a lot easier to get it done," she said, referring to Mr. Rendell's statements about the arena on a KDKA radio program earlier in the day.

State Sen. Jim Ferlo, D-Highland Park, criticized Ms. Orie for not doing more to get the arena funding bill passed. He said the Penguins deal is "very critical" for the region and should be a top priority for local legislators.

"It would be an extreme disappointment, if not reprehensible, for this not to get consummated," he said. "We need to get this bonding and this gaming bill done. It should not be held hostage to the budget."

Ms. Orie said it is a priority. She said the matter isn't helped by add-ons to the bill, including an extra $500,000 a year in the arena package, bringing the total to $8 million, for a "nonprofit community development fund to fund infrastructure, construction and redevelopment projects."

"That's the other concern. People don't know half the stuff being put in [the bill]," she said.

Mr. Ardo said the $500,000 could go to the Hill and other areas near the arena to fund infrastructure improvements "that would make the entire district a better place." Ms. Orie said the money "doesn't fit the criteria" for the bill and probably would be removed by the Senate.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07181/798349-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
06-29-2007, 03:38 PM
We have a deal state legislatures. You have to do your part.

Let's keep the faith that our state senate will pass this.

83-Steelers-43
06-30-2007, 08:46 AM
Mr. Ardo said the $500,000 could go to the Hill and other areas near the arena to fund infrastructure improvements

I'm sure the "leaders" of the Hill will be more than happy to side with the Penguins on this issue. Handouts are in jeopardy. Watch out! :rolleyes: :shake02: :coffee:

To a more important issue, I'm 100% sure this will get done, but it will be delayed. Between the legislatures acting like...well...legislatures and the Rooney's complaining about Barden and acting as if they own the whole damn North Shore, I don't see how it won't be delayed.

I guess I should have known better, but this does come as somewhat of a surprise to me. I expected the arena situation to run fairly smooth for the most part. I was dead wrong. Oh well, I'm not all that worried really. If anything I'm frustrated by the delay. Better late than never I guess.

SteelCityMan786
06-30-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm sure the "leaders" of the Hill will be more than happy to side with the Penguins on this issue. Handouts are in jeopardy. Watch out! :rolleyes: :shake02: :coffee:

To a more important issue, I'm 100% sure this will get done, but it will be delayed. Between the legislatures acting like...well...legislatures and the Rooney's complaining about Barden and acting as if they own the whole damn North Shore, I don't see how it won't be delayed.

I guess I should have known better, but this does come as somewhat of a surprise to me. I expected the arena situation to run fairly smooth for the most part. I was dead wrong. Oh well, I'm not all that worried really. If anything I'm frustrated by the delay. Better late than never I guess.

They can't even leave without passing the budget so they minus well get the Penguins money in their now.

X-Terminator
06-30-2007, 01:28 PM
Only the PA state legislature could find a way to screw this up. :dang: :dang:

I swear to God, they had all better get their f'ing asses in gear and get this bill passed ASAf'nP, so that the arena can be built. It's already been delayed due to several project impact studies and the design process - there cannot be any more lengthy delays because of government dick-waving. The money's there - GIVE IT UP, HARRISBURG!

SteelCityMan786
06-30-2007, 01:32 PM
Only the PA state legislature could find a way to screw this up. :dang: :dang:

I swear to God, they had all better get their f'ing asses in gear and get this bill passed ASAf'nP, so that the arena can be built. It's already been delayed due to several project impact studies and the design process - there cannot be any more lengthy delays because of government dick-waving. The money's there - GIVE IT UP, HARRISBURG!

Amen Brother.

If you know the E-Mail address to your rep., BOMBARD THEM!

SteelCityMan786
06-30-2007, 11:48 PM
A reminder to put your trays in the upright and locked position. We're in for a bumpy ride. Enjoy your flight on political bickering airlines.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_515333.html

Impasse endangers Pens arena deal
By By Brad Bumsted STATE CAPITOL WRITER
Sunday, July 1, 2007

HARRISBURG -- Legislation providing $8 million a year for a new Penguins arena, funding for mass transportation and money for biomedical research remained stalled in the Senate as the General Assembly missed the constitutional deadline for passage of a state budget at midnight Saturday.

If the budget impasse continues, 26,000 state employees would be furloughed at the end of the day Friday, and "casinos would shut down" at 7 a.m. on Monday, July 9, Gov. Ed Rendell's aides said. State parks, museums, environmental permitting services and driver's license testing centers would also be closed.

With arena funding mired in politics, it could jeopardize the Pens' arena deal and in the worst case scenario see the Penguins leave Pittsburgh, said Sen. Sean Logan D-Plum, a member of the Sports & Exhibition Authority, the government body that would lease the new arena to the Penguins.

"It would be a travesty to let the deal unravel," said Rendell's spokesman Chuck Ardo.

"From what we understand, it's on hold," said Logan of the arena bill. "As a member of the SEA, it's disturbing to me, We can't go past next week. We can't wait until September" when the legislature would typically return to session, Logan said.

Over three to four months, interest rates and construction costs could go up, Logan said, and the "Pens will leave.".

The Senate announced that it would be on recess. Officially, the Senate is on "six hour call." Senators could return to the Capitol in weeks, months, or days. The House is also on six-hour call Sunday but it will be in session Monday, said Majority Leader Bill DeWeese, D-Greene.

Senate President Pro Tempore Joe Scarnati, R-Jefferson County, who blamed Rendell for holding the budget hostage to his own agenda, said, "Looks like we are going to be in summer session starting (Sunday)."

The Senate will return to Harrisburg when there is a negotiated spending plan, he said.

"To hold the budget and the taxpayers with a gun to their heads is just unacceptable," Scarnati said.

Rendell said, "I am extremely disappointed the Senate has gone home. Given what's at stake, I don't think there's any reason to go home."

The arena deal over the past week became a pawn in the political chess game between Rendell, a Democrat, and Senate Republican leaders.

Rendell insisted that he would delay a state budget unless lawmakers approved his other key initiatives, including his proposed Jonas Salk fund for biomedical research, another proposal for alternative energy projects, portions of his health care fund such as a statewide smoking ban, and a dedicated funding stream for mass transit and highways. He also pushed for the arena funding.

Senate Republicans say all they are angling for is a frugal budget without tax increases.

Rendell said he made significant concessions on the tax hikes he proposed in February and he said he would have signed the Senate transportation bill. He said it wasn't about his agenda as the Senate Republicans contended.

As for the Pens' arena, Scarnati said, "The governor made a deal with the Penguins outside the Legislature. He made the deal."

Spending $8 million annually on a hockey arena is "a fiscal conservative litmus test," said Scarnati.

Under the arena deal, the state will pay $7.5 million for 30 years from a development fund paid with slots revenue. The Majestic Star Casino, of Detroit, which won a license for a North Shore casino, agreed to pay $7.5 million for same period. The team would pay $3.8 million. Under H. B. 1631, approved by the House this week, $7.5 million would be authorized for the arena along with another $500,000 to an unspecified "non-profit community development fund."

The Senate will look at the funding after a budget is settled, Scarnati said.

"It's not our intent to scuttle deals. It's just our intent to get the budget done."

Delaying the arena funding indefinitely " is a mistake," House Appropriations Chairman Dwight Evans, D-Philadelphia.

"I'm sympathetic to Allegheny County and Pittsburgh and that needs to happen now."

Senate Republicans approved a no-frills budget on June 20 that would not raise taxes. It was $300 million less than Rendell's proposed $27.3 billion state budget.

The Democratic-controlled House yesterday rejected that budget, setting the stage for a conference committee of House-Senate negotiators.

The House last week approved a transportation funding plan. A variation of that plan pending in the Senate would give Allegheny County the authority to levy a 10 percent tax on alcoholic drinks and a $2 rental car tax to raise money for the local share of mass transit.

"I really believe this will resolve the mass transit problem for decades," said. Sen. Vincent Fumo, D-Philadelphia.

The plan statewide would, within three years, provide $500 million annually for highways and $400 million for transit.

Sen. John Eichelberger, R-Altoona, said the Senate transportation plan -- built on borrowing by the Pennsylvania Turnpike and tolls on I-80 under the turnpike's jurisdiction -- is "a bad bill."

"It expands the power of the turnpike. They'll have their fingers in everything.They'll be the kingpins of transportation throughout the state," Eichelberger said.

SteelCityMan786
06-30-2007, 11:52 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07181/798466-100.stm

No budget by midnight deadline, Senate leader says

Saturday, June 30, 2007
By Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

HARRISBURG -- A top Senate Democrat conceded today that the Legislature won't complete work on a $27 billion budget by the start of the state's new fiscal year tomorrow.

In fact, said Sen. Vince Fumo of Philadelphia, the Legislature probably won't take a final vote on the 2007-08 budget until the middle or latter part of next week.

Legislative Republicans are still at odds with Gov. Ed Rendell over the bottom line of the budget. The GOP is holding at $27 billion, but Mr. Rendell wants about $300 million more for pre-kindergarten classes, all-day kindergarten programs, high school laptop computers and job-training programs.

Even when an agreement is reached, it can take up to a day to print the budget document, and then new legislative rules require the two chambers to wait up to 24 hours before acting on it.

Mr. Fumo did say that progress is being made on a related matter, new funding for roads, bridges and mass transit.

After the new budget and additional transportation aid are enacted, the Legislature's third priority is to approve House Bill 1631, a slots-funded capital budget that will help finance a $300 million arena for the Penguins. Sen. Jane Orie, R-McCandless, expects that approval to come, but probably not until later next week.

The bill provides $8 million a year for up to 30 years, with $7.5 million going for an arena bond issue and $500,000 for a Hill District community-development program.

Mr. Fumo said that if a new budget hasn't been approved by next weekend, some workers won't be able to get paid. The Rendell administration has already said that up to 26,000 state workers who are considered "nonessential'' would have to be furloughed until a new budget is in place.

Among these workers are Revenue Department employees who work on the central computer control system that is connected to all the slot machines at the five operating casinos. That means the casinos would have to close until a budget is approved.

The state Senate did do one thing today, approving an Orie bill that would change the makeup of the Allegheny County Port Authority board. Instead of having all nine members named by County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, the Legislature's top four leaders each would get an appointment. That bill now goes to the House.

Buzz05
07-02-2007, 07:40 AM
things will get done and taken care of. Im not worried about. I work for a gov't agency and they were talking about a furlow here as well if we didnt get an 250 million this year for the budget. it took time but they worked it out. no gov't whether its local, state, or federal wants a furlow. it shuts down public office's and makes the politicians look bad infront of their voters. things will get worked, its typical politics and jockeying for political position. all it is is a high priced game of musical chairs.

SteelCityMan786
07-02-2007, 07:45 AM
things will get done and taken care of. Im not worried about. I work for a gov't agency and they were talking about a furlow here as well if we didnt get an 250 million this year for the budget. it took time but they worked it out. no gov't whether its local, state, or federal wants a furlow. it shuts down public office's and makes the politicians look bad infront of their voters. things will get worked, its typical politics and jockeying for political position. all it is is a high priced game of musical chairs.

That's where this state could end up going if the budget doesn't pass for awhile. Furlows for people who work with the casinos, drivers license centers, and other institutions.

Buzz05
07-02-2007, 07:57 AM
That's where this state could end up going if the budget doesn't pass for awhile. Furlows for people who work with the casinos, drivers license centers, and other institutions.

I dont think it will happen...I just dont for some reasonn.

SteelCityMan786
07-02-2007, 09:06 AM
I dont think it will happen...I just dont for some reasonn.

If the state congress wants the rest of their summer they'd pass all of that between today and tomorrow.

SteelCityMan786
07-03-2007, 10:03 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_515550.html

Pens, church find accord over new arena
By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, July 3, 2007

A new Uptown home for priests has the Penguins' blessing.

The five-story rectory planned by Epiphany Church won't hinder architects' plans for an arena that will feature a multistory glass atrium overlooking Downtown, team officials said Monday.

The team, through the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, had asked the church to remove the top floor from a planned home for priests because it might block the view from the arena, church officials said.

"There was a time where we thought there was an issue with the size of the rectory," Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan said. "Since then, we talked to our architects and ... we don't have a problem."

The parish agreed last year to sell some of its land and buildings -- including the former Epiphany School and the existing rectory -- to the sports authority for $3.4 million. The church plans to use $2.9 million to build the rectory on Washington Place.

"We've tried to work with them," said Bill Baumgarten, president of Epiphany's Pastoral Council.

The $290 million arena would sit behind the historic, 100-year-old church on land between Centre and Fifth avenues. It would be owned by the sports authority, and the Penguins would be the main tenant.

The city Planning Commission expects to be briefed on the rectory project at its meeting next week. Standing 63 feet high, the church building would not need any variances, said the city's acting zoning administrator, Susan Tymoczko.

Church officials said they would have made the changes, but needed help paying for a redesign and additional construction costs. The cost of the project keeps rising, and the church might not be able to afford the top floor anyway, said the Rev. Dan Sweeney, Epiphany's parochial vicar.

Sweeney said a lawyer for the Penguins told him yesterday the team does not have a problem with the building plans. The team and church are working to resolve parking issues, he said.

With Mellon Arena across the street, Sweeney said the church is concerned with traffic, noise and people cutting through its property during events.

The rectory would house parish priests and visiting priests studying at nearby Duquesne University in six apartments and would provide office space. It would have 18,000 square feet, slightly smaller than the existing rectory. It would open in April.

"You can redesign the building however you like, as long as we don't lose square footage," Sweeney said.

Epiphany officials were planning to renovate their rectory when the sports authority offered to buy property around the main church building, Baumgarten said. The rectory needs elevators, conference rooms and updating.

"This came along and answered our problems," he said.

At prices ranging from $38 to $125 a square foot, the sports authority paid $13.9 million, plus relocation costs, for 22 parcels where the arena would be located. The state loaned the agency $26.5 million to prepare the site for a groundbreaking, scheduled for late this year.

The arena is scheduled to open in time for the 2010 hockey season.

83-Steelers-43
07-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Christ, there were enough heart attacks over this situation. Probably the same folks who thought the Pens were gone and all was lost a few months ago. Anyways.....

Budget deal reached
Monday, July 09, 2007

By Mark Scolforo, The Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- Legislators and the governor brokered a deal that ended the state budget impasse tonight, and state workers will return to the job one day after nearly 24,000 people were sent home without pay.

Scores of state parks, state-run museums and driver-license offices around the state were shuttered today on orders of Gov. Ed Rendell after a partisan deadlock held up the budget nine days into the new fiscal year.

"This is an agreement where all sides can say that they achieved some of their goals, and that's probably a good budget agreement," Rendell said, declaring himself "very satisfied with where we came out."

The deal addresses some of Rendell's health care and energy initiatives but will not impose the surcharge on electricity use the governor had sought, said Sen. Vince Fumo, ranking Democrat on the Appropriations Committee.

"I rate it good," he said. "It's a win-win for everybody."

Fumo said the budget total was about $27.3 billion, close to what Democrats had proposed.

Republicans won an increase in the Educational Improvement Tax Credit that fosters school choice and the rolling of $300 million of the surplus into next year's spending, Fumo said.

"The governor proposed seven tax hikes," said Erik Arneson, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-Delaware. "This agreement has zero."

Among other things, Rendell got a film industry tax credit capped at $75 million.

Many details remained unclear, including whether the billions for highways and transit will count against the spending increase and whether total new money for transportation will reach the $1 billion in the first year that Rendell demanded.

Multiple sources said the Legislature would convene a special session this fall to address the energy topic, and that consideration of the $500 million Jonas Salk Legacy Fund would occur in November.

The impasse ended a tense day in the Capitol during which Republican House members took to the chamber floor for more than four hours, in a bit of political theater, to accuse majority Democrats of avoiding a showdown over a stopgap bill to pay state workers.

Negotiations seemed to pick up momentum late in the day, and news of the deal began seeping out around 10 p.m.

Despite the partial shutdown, such critical services as health care for the poor, state police patrols, emergency response and prisons have been maintained by the 52,000 workers whose jobs were designated as critical.

The total of employees on furlough was 23,562, with total wages of $3.5 million a day, according to Rendell's Office of Administration. The furloughed workers won't be paid for the time off.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07190/800537-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
07-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Orie says arena funding bill next
Tuesday, July 10, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A bill critical to funding the new arena in Pittsburgh should be ready for a vote soon, state Sen. Jane Orie said yesterday.

Ms. Orie, R-McCandless, said she expected the arena funding bill to be "one of the first things done" after Gov. Ed Rendell and state legislative leaders broke the budget deadlock that led to the furloughs of nearly 25,000 state employees.

"I believe if the budget is passed, the Penguins funding is ready to go," she said.

Mr. Rendell and the Penguins had raised concerns that the arena project could be in jeopardy if the Legislature recesses for the summer without approving the bill, which would provide $7.5 million a year for 30 years toward the construction.

The money is from a new $1.6 billion fund for capital projects created as part of the 2004 law legalizing slot machine gambling in Pennsylvania. The law directs 5 percent of gross gambling revenue each year to a development and tourism fund.

Mr. Rendell had accused Senate Republican leaders of holding up the bill after it passed the House. But Ms. Orie, the Senate Republican whip, the third-highest ranking leadership post, said senators outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were reluctant to act on the bill until a budget was passed.

She said there also was concern about a large number of projects added to the bill at the last minute, taking it far beyond the original intent to fund the new arena and the expansion of the Philadelphia convention center.

In the latest version, Ms. Orie said, some 220 projects have been removed, leaving only $7.5 million a year for the arena, $15 million a year for 10 years to pay down debt at Pittsburgh International Airport, and funding to expand Philadelphia's convention center and to pay for a Luzerne County airport project.

Ms. Orie said another $500,000 a year that had been added to the arena package to go to a "nonprofit community development fund" to finance infrastructure, construction and redevelopment projects also was removed.

While Mr. Rendell and Senate GOP leaders have clashed over the budget, Ms. Orie said the governor "is on the same page" in terms of what should be funded in the arena bill.

"The governor has agreed based on our stipulation that these 220 some projects that are not imminent and not things that should be attached to this Penguins one ... that they should be removed," she said.

State Rep. Jake Wheatley, D-Hill District, said he would fight to restore the $500,000 for the nonprofit community development fund. He said the money would be spent on redeveloping the Hill above Crawford Street and would be distributed by the Pittsburgh-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority.

If the Senate doesn't act on the arena funding bill before the recess, it could prevent the authority from issuing $325 million in bonds to fund the construction.

The delay could lead to higher interest rates, which in turn could create a shortfall in the financing for the arena and conceivably could lead to a renegotiation of the terms.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07191/800600-61.stm

Buzz05
07-10-2007, 07:22 AM
"I believe if the budget is passed, the Penguins funding is ready to go," she said.

Well it effin better be! I dont think anyone wants to know deal with what will happen if it doesnt pass. This is ridiculous

X-Terminator
07-10-2007, 07:44 AM
Well it effin better be! I dont think anyone wants to know deal with what will happen if it doesnt pass. This is ridiculous

Now that the pork's been cut from the bill, there shouldn't be any problems getting it passed. Obviously the Penguins aren't concerned about it either. So fret not, my man! :cheers:

I'm just glad they all came to an agreement on the budget, and that both sides decided to negotiate at the table rather than continue to manipulate the media for their own agendas.

SteelCityMan786
07-10-2007, 10:07 AM
Now that the pork's been cut from the bill, there shouldn't be any problems getting it passed. Obviously the Penguins aren't concerned about it either. So fret not, my man! :cheers:

I'm just glad they all came to an agreement on the budget, and that both sides decided to negotiate at the table rather than continue to manipulate the media for their own agendas.

Amen to that brother!

83-Steelers-43
07-13-2007, 11:03 PM
Pens' arena, other Allegheny County projects could lose funding
By Brad Bumsted
STATE CAPITOL REPORTER
Saturday, July 14, 2007

HARRISBURG - A Senate panel is arguing whether Allegheny County projects earmarked under the 2004 slots law should take a hit because of $7.5 million a year added for a new Uptown arena in a bill that is part of the proposed state budget deal.

Sen. Jane Earll, R-Erie, chairwoman of the Senate Community and Economic Development Committee, said Friday she was concerned about the fairness of providing the Penguins money on top of hundreds of millions of dollars for other projects in the county included in Act 71, which legalized slots. That takes money away from projects in other parts of the state, she said.

Earll said existing Allegheny County projects should be removed from legislation that would give final approval to projects funded with gambling money, or the total amount for each project should be reduced.

"That is what I am insisting on," she said.

The arena money, part of an agreement intended to ensure the hockey team stays in Pittsburgh, wasn't in any apparent jeopardy.

The largest projects earmarked under the slots law were $150 million for debt service and development at Pittsburgh International Airport and an $80 million development fund for the county. Other projects included retiring debt of the Urban Redevelopment Authority and the David L. Lawrence Convention Center.

Earll and other senators said the legislation was being negotiated.

"We are still working through that process," Sen. Jay Costa, D-Forest Hills, said last night. "We're not there yet."

The panel is expected to consider House Bill 1631 today.

Money for the arena is part of an agreement between legislative negotiators and Gov. Ed Rendell on a $27.4 billion state budget that could be voted on this weekend. The legislation contains $880 million over 30 years for expansion of the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia.

One project likely to be stripped out of H.B. 1631 is $15 million over 30 years intended for "a nonprofit community development fund to fund infrastructure, construction" in the Hill District.

The legislation, as approved by the House, included $240 million over 30 years for the arena and the unnamed nonprofit. Earll confirmed that the Senate's version of the bill has $225 million for the arena -- and no money for the Hill District development fund.

It didn't meet the "criteria" for funding, said Sen. Jane Orie, R-McCandless.

Rep. Jake Wheatley, D-Hill District, added the money for the nonprofit in the House version. It was intended for development throughout the neighborhood, he said.

Wheatley said although a nonprofit was not specified by name, the likely candidate was the Hill District Community Development Corp. The money would be funneled through the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, he said.

The money would have gone a long way to making sure the "community that hosts the arena is respected and invested in," said Marimba Milliones, chair of the Hill Community Development Corp.

"It was our hope that our senators would have protected and advocated for funds to come back to the Hill District," Milliones said.

Majestic Star Casino, which won a license to build a North Shore casino, has offered to pay $1 million a year for three years for redevelopment of the Lower Hill District, seed money for what casino owner Don Barden said would be a $350 million project. Since the slots license was awarded, the Penguins and Majestic Star have agreed to share development rights for the Mellon Arena site.

Sen. John Pippy, R-Moon, said the differences over arena money and other Allegheny County projects probably would be resolved.

"I think in the end it gets done," he said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_517300.html

83-Steelers-43
07-14-2007, 11:10 PM
Pens arena measure stalls
By The Tribune-Review
Sunday, July 15, 2007

HARRISBURG -- A $225 million state commitment to a Penguins arena hit a snag Saturday night, but lawmakers said they hoped it would clear a major hurdle today in a Senate committee.

The arena is a critical piece of the state budget deal that is inching its way toward resolution.

With the state in its 15th day today without a budget, officials braced for the next deadline at noon Monday. If a budget isn't signed into law by then, state workers risk not being paid next week, said Treasury Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Kupchinsky.

The problem with the arena bill, however, is that senators from outside Allegheny County "won't vote for it unless their projects are in it," said Senate Majority Whip Jane Orie, R-McCandless.

The bill "needs to be massaged," said Sen. Jim Ferlo, D-Highland Park, and the hold up "is too delicate a matter" to comment on.

Sen. Jay Costa, D-Forest Hills, said the Uptown arena project -- $7. 5 million a year from the state -- is not in jeopardy. He said he is "very confident" the arena, the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia, and other projects in Allegheny County are moving forward.

The snag first surfaced Friday in the Senate Community Economic and Recreational Development Committee.

Republican Sen. Jane Earll, the committee's chairwoman from Erie, called off a vote planned for last night on the arena legislation. The bill -- separate from the budget -- authorizes projects funded with slots money.

State law and the state constitution require a budget to be in place by July 1, the first day of the new fiscal year.

Last Monday, nearly 25,000 state workers were furloughed for a day by Gov. Ed Rendell because there was no budget agreement. Those workers could be furloughed again if the budget deal -- struck late Monday -- falls apart or if it drags on too long.

The budget bill was being printed yesterday afternoon, said House Majority Leader H. William DeWeese, D-Greene County. The House adjourned about until 4 p.m. today, and the Senate returns to session at 2 p.m. today. Some predict that the voting is likely to spill over to Monday.

"There has been tremendous progress made (Saturday) toward finalizing the budget," said Chuck Ardo, a spokesman for Rendell. "All parties are working hard, and we are more confident than we were even (Friday) that the bill will be enacted before any future deadline becomes problematic."

Earll said "the administration is still monkeying around" on the budget. "I don't think they are taking this deadline of missing the pay period seriously," she said.

House Republicans yesterday were unsuccessful in attempting to get a vote on a stop-gap budget -- funding state government for one month -- as insurance if the deal blows up.

Rendell and legislative negotiators have a deal that calls for approval of the arena funding, several health care bills including a statewide smoking ban, alternative energy legislation and a $900-million-per-year transportation bill. Rendell insisted on those priorities before he would sign a budget.

"All the pieces need to be in place before things start moving," said Johnna Pro, a spokeswoman for House Appropriations Chairman Dwight Evans, D-Philadelphia. "Everything is in pretty good shape."

The House adjourned in the midst of debating a statewide smoking ban bill. Earlier, House Majority Caucus Chairman Mark Cohen, D-Philadelphia, said, "The (smoking) bill is an essential part of the budget deal."

So is the Pens' arena.

The deal Rendell struck in March was aimed at keeping the Pens in Pittsburgh. It called for the state to provide $7.5 million a year for an arena. The Penguins will pay $3.8 million a year and Detroit-based Majestic Star, which won a license for a casino on the North Side, will pay $7.5 million per year.

Earll on Friday balked at adding $225 million for the arena to the list of projects being paid out of the state gambling fund without reducing funding to other Allegheny County projects or even eliminating a project.

Under Act 71, the 2004 slots law, 5 percent of gross gambling revenue is to be set aside for projects in Allegheny County and Philadelphia. It established that Allegheny County wouldn't get additional funding out of the slots fund for 10 years.

Earll said it wasn't fair to the rest of the state to add the arena and not make a deduction from Allegheny County's project money.

The problem is exacerbated by a Senate proposal to slash more than $1 billion worth of projects from other parts of the state the House had added to the slots-funded bill.

The earmarked gambling-funded projects under Act 71 included $880 million over 30 years for the expansion of the Pennsylvania Convention center in Philadelphia, $150 million for debt reduction and development at the Pittsburgh International Airport and $80 million for countywide development fund in Allegheny County, along with helping to pay off debt of the Urban Redevelopment Authority and financing a hotel at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center.

The Pens arena was not spelled out in the 2004 law.

Orie confirmed that Allegheny County senators still disagreed whether to reduce the dollar amount for projects or extend the period in which the county can't get additional funding from 10 to 12 years.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_517401.html

SteelCityMan786
07-14-2007, 11:22 PM
OMG! They just want to make things even more aggravating for us don't they?

83-Steelers-43
07-16-2007, 04:05 PM
Arena financing bill cleared by Senate
Monday, July 16, 2007

By Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

HARRISBURG -- Despite some serious opposition from Republicans, the state Senate today approved a new $2 billion "Gaming, Economic Development and Tourism Fund'' that will help finance a new hockey arena in Pittsburgh.

The vote was 31 to 17, with 15 Republicans and two Democrats opposed. Most of the Senate Democrats, including all from the Pittsburgh area, were in favor of the slots-funded program, which will provide $7.5 million a year for 30 years for the new arena, or a total of $225 million.

The only Western Pennsylvania senator who opposed the new gaming fund was Bob Regola, R-Hempfield.

The fund will help finance nine projects, all but one from Allegheny County. That would be a major one, however, an $880 million expansion of Philadelphia's convention center.

Other Allegheny projects, to be undertaken over the next 12 years, include a Lawrence convention center hotel, projects at Pittsburgh International Airport, paying the operating debt at the Lawrence convention center and paying off debt from Pittsburgh's Urban Redevelopment Authority.

The measure, House Bill 1631, still needs House approval and could be voted on there today.

Some Republican legislators were upset that only projects from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are listed in the fund. Democrats said that's because all the projects except for the Pittsburgh arena were authorized by Act 71 of 2004, the slots casino law. The arena was inserted earlier this year because Gov. Ed Rendell, a strong backer of the new arena, wanted to find a way to finance it.

Republicans said they will fight for a second slots-funded list of projects when they return in the fall, to give all counties the ability to take advantage of economic development financed by slots tax revenue.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07197/802096-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
07-16-2007, 04:08 PM
Ok now, finish this thing legislators and you can have summers.

83-Steelers-43
07-18-2007, 08:41 AM
Pens arena fund squeaks through House
Wednesday, July 18, 2007

By Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Supporters of an important project for Pittsburgh -- a new multipurpose arena for Penguins' hockey and other uses -- sweated out a narrow victory yesterday.

The House vote for a new gaming-funded development fund, which will help finance the arena, was as close as it could be, 102 to 100.

Many House legislators didn't like the gaming fund because it's paying for one large project in Philadelphia, an $880 million expansion of the convention center, and eight projects in Allegheny County, including the new $300 million arena.

Rep. Dwight Evans, D-Philadelphia, said other communities will get a chance this fall to seek funds from the gaming development fund for projects in other towns. The fund will receive $150 million a year once all 14 casinos are up and running, but currently has only about $25 million in it. The Pittsburgh arena and the Philadelphia convention center are the first two projects to be funded.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07199/802452-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
07-18-2007, 09:46 AM
LOL, he better.

Casino owner hopes to keep Lower Hill promise
By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Don Barden wants to keep his $350 million promise to the Lower Hill District but might not get the chance to build on the Mellon Arena site.

The owner of Majestic Star Casino hasn't talked about that -- or much else about his plans for a North Shore slots parlor -- since two losing bidders for Pittsburgh's casino license appealed to the state Supreme Court.

But with the court expected to rule this morning, Barden plans to start speaking out again, provided he keeps the license. One of the first items he could address: whether he can develop the 28-acre arena site.

"The critical factor is who has the development rights," said Bob Oltmanns, Majestic Star's spokesman. "We're still interested in following through on our commitment to the Hill District."

Barden promised to spur a $350 million revitalization of the arena site with homes, offices and retail shops. Majestic Star believes it has first dibs on the site because it agreed to help pay for a new Uptown arena, Oltmanns said.

Under a 30-year arena deal, Barden and the state each would pay $7.5 million a year. The Penguins, who would be the arena's primary tenant, would pay $3.8 million a year.

St. Louis-based Isle of Capri Casinos offered to pay $290 million for an arena if it won the license. Forest City Enterprises, of Cleveland, would have matched Barden's offer if it opened a Harrah's Station Square Casino. Both lost to Barden's plan, and appealed.

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments in May. The court has upheld the state Gaming Control Board's decisions to award slots licenses in Philadelphia and the Poconos.

Ruling in favor of licenses for SugarHouse Casino and Foxwoods Casino Philadelphia yesterday, the court said it would give "great deference" to the board's decisions and would not "substitute its judgment" for the board's.

When they negotiated terms for the arena in March, Gov. Ed Rendell and local officials offered the Mellon Arena site to the Penguins for development. The team has 10 years to develop the land, starting with demolition of Mellon Arena for a parking lot.

Penguins officials must negotiate with Barden in "good faith" about the chance to "potentially participate in development rights." A team spokesman declined to comment.

None of the terms require the Penguins to develop the site with Barden, said Don Kortlandt, general counsel for the city's Urban Redevelopment Authority. The agency agreed last month to give the Penguins the right to develop the site's 400,000-square-foot upper parking lot.

" ' Good faith' negotiation is sort of a term of art," Kortland said. "They have to give a reasonable opportunity to strike a deal with you, but they don't necessarily have to accept any deal if it's unreasonable."

Barden should be allowed to build on the Lower Hill District site, said state Rep. Jake Wheatley, D-Hill District.

"It's very unfair," Wheatley said. "He's putting in more money than the Penguins are, but he'll have no say in what's surrounding that investment."

Oltmanns declined to say whether Barden would follow through with money for the Hill District if he doesn't get the development rights.

Wheatley said he believes it's unlikely Barden would want to put money into the neighborhood without the chance to build on the arena site.

"I think Don Barden has a true commitment, but at some point, this man has gotten the short end of the stick," Wheatley said.

"A smart businessman would say, 'I promised those things as a total part of my application when the understanding was I had the development rights, but at this point, the conversation has changed.' "

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority offered in 2005 to negotiate the Mellon Arena development rights with anyone who paid for a new arena.

The offer was good "if someone paid for the entire arena," said Mary Conturo, the SEA's executive director. The SEA board passed a resolution offering that when Isle of Capri said it would fully pay for an arena if it won the slots license.

The SEA has not yet handed over the development rights in an option agreement with the Penguins, Conturo said. Those terms would be negotiated during the next six months, she said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_517771.html

Buzz05
07-18-2007, 10:29 AM
Pens arena fund squeaks through House
Wednesday, July 18, 2007

By Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Supporters of an important project for Pittsburgh -- a new multipurpose arena for Penguins' hockey and other uses -- sweated out a narrow victory yesterday.

The House vote for a new gaming-funded development fund, which will help finance the arena, was as close as it could be, 102 to 100.

Many House legislators didn't like the gaming fund because it's paying for one large project in Philadelphia, an $880 million expansion of the convention center, and eight projects in Allegheny County, including the new $300 million arena.

Rep. Dwight Evans, D-Philadelphia, said other communities will get a chance this fall to seek funds from the gaming development fund for projects in other towns. The fund will receive $150 million a year once all 14 casinos are up and running, but currently has only about $25 million in it. The Pittsburgh arena and the Philadelphia convention center are the first two projects to be funded.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07199/802452-61.stm

Leave it to a Philly person to try to give the shaft to Pittsburgh...:wink02:

SteelCityMan786
07-30-2007, 11:50 AM
Leave it to a Philly person to try to give the shaft to Pittsburgh...:wink02:

One more reason to hope that a Republican and Pittsburgher ends up in the governor's office in 2010.

SteelCityMan786
07-30-2007, 11:52 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07210/805327-53.stm

Hill residents call for their share of the arena pie
Strategy session held to secure Pens' help in improving area

Sunday, July 29, 2007
By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins are the franchise.

Hill District residents say they have been disenfranchised for too long, in part because of the National Hockey League team.

About 120 community members met yesterday in a strategy session aimed at requiring the Penguins to help improve the neighborhood once the team gets its new, publicly financed arena.

Hill District residents said they want written assurances from the team and the Pittsburgh-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority that the area will receive a piece of the economic pie.

"A huge public subsidy for the Penguins requires huge public benefits," said Carl Redwood, chairman of a group that hopes to obtain guarantees for neighborhood improvements.

His organization calls itself the One Hill Community Benefit Agreement Coalition. Its goal is to make sure history does not repeat itself when the new arena is built.

Mr. Redwood said construction almost 50 years ago of the Civic Arena (now Mellon Arena) ripped apart the Hill District. About 8,000 people and 400 businesses were displaced to make room for the arena.

"The choice was made, and that choice was parking lots over people," he said.

Mr. Redwood said Hill District residents and supporters must not let that happen this time. He told community members who gathered at the Hill House that the goal is to obtain a binding agreement for neighborhood benefits before the Sports & Exhibition Authority approves a master plan for the new arena in mid-September.

The state Legislature has authorized public funding of $7.5 million a year for 30 years toward arena construction.

In addition, the team has development rights to 28 acres adjacent to the Hill District.

Mr. Redwood said he hoped the Penguins and any developers associated with the team would sign agreements to help with numerous Hill District improvements. These might include building a grocery store, money for a community development fund and preservation of assets such as the August Wilson House.

Tom Hoffman, a member of a 6-month-old group called Pittsburgh United, also was at the neighborhood meeting. Like One Hill, his organization's purpose is to help historically disadvantaged people by pressing for community-benefit agreements.

Mr. Hoffman said grass-roots groups in Milwaukee and New Haven, Conn., have had success in making sure the primary beneficiaries of public projects spread around the wealth to neighbors. The same can be done with the new arena that will have the Penguins as its primary tenant, he said.

One suggestion from his group is for the Penguins to help combat noise and safety problems caused by hockey games.

"We are asking that the Penguins hire a private security force to monitor parking and fans in the Lower Hill and clean up after games," Pittsburgh United said in one of its proposals.

It also wants Hill District residents to be given priority for the jobs.

"It's up to us to build the public momentum," said Mr. Hoffman, whose group is made up of labor and faith-based organizations. "The idea is to make sure there is some giveback to the community."

SteelCityMan786
07-30-2007, 11:52 AM
I think the Hill District just doesn't give up. They're tough people I can say that.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2007, 02:04 PM
It's amazing how motivated some become all of a sudden when they have the opportunity to be given something for free. Then again, all they have to do is yell, complain, threaten and then conveniently put a hand out. I'm not exactly sure if that really involves all that much motivation.

Must be nice...

SteelCityMan786
07-30-2007, 02:13 PM
It's amazing how motivated some become all of a sudden when they have the opportunity to be given something for free. Then again, all they have to do is yell, complain, threaten and then conveniently put a hand out. I'm not exactly sure if that really involves all that much motivation.

Must be nice...

They just love to piss all of us off don't they. I'm starting to think that.

There are some of us out there who either A.)Go to work to make a living everyday or B.)Go to school so we can make a good living for ourselves. In case the hill district people who are complaining about this have forgotten, the people who go to school and work have lives outside of school and work to.

83-Steelers-43
07-30-2007, 02:30 PM
They just love to piss all of us off don't they. I'm starting to think that.

Speaking for myself, I'm not pissed off at all. I just find it pathetically sad and amusing all at the same time.

Pathetically sad because all these people have to do is throw out a few threats and they are basically given money for free. As I've stated before, helluva message to send to your kids. Junior grows up and expects everything for free. Good job mom and dad.

Amusing because they are the same people who were completely against the Penguins and the IOC. I'd love to know how many of them attended Penguin games or have given to Penguin related charities over the years. I'd be willing to bet it's a very, very, very small number.

For me, what's going on up there is not worth getting pissed off about. At the end of the day, I know what I have in life I gained and received by working hard and not expecting anything from the city or goverment. That's more than those people can say when they go to bed at night and wake up in the morning. It's called pride and respect.

SteelCityMan786
07-30-2007, 02:32 PM
Speaking for myself, I'm not pissed off at all. I just find it pathetically sad and amusing all at the same time.

Pathetically sad because all these people have to do is throw out a few threats and they are basically given money for free. As I've stated before, helluva message to send to your kids. Junior grows up and expects everything for free. Good job mom and dad.

Amusing because they are the same people who were completely against the Penguins and the IOC. I'd love to know how many of them attended Penguin games or have given to Penguin related charities over the years. I'd be willing to bet it's a very, very, very small number.

For me, what's going on up there is not worth getting pissed off about. At the end of the day, I know what I have in life I gained and received by working hard and not expecting anything from the city or goverment. That's more than those people can say when they go to bed at night and wake up in the morning.

Same here man.

Buzz05
07-31-2007, 12:56 PM
I think the Hill District just doesn't give up. They're tough people I can say that.

Sure they dont give up when they can get something for free. I swear to God these people are going to end up doing something to screw this up. whether is being getting some moron a job that doesnt deserve it and he screws up and a beam falls through the roof or this wonderful council screws the pooch and the areana deal falls through. Im sick and tired of watching and listening to how the Hill Council is standing there with their hands out. Im sorry I didnt know the Hill was a special piece of land that only the Hill residents can do stuff with (or ruine). I thought it was a part of Pittsburgh and could be used to the betterment of the city. These people need to shut up and start helping themselves. SERIOUSLY

SteelCityMan786
07-31-2007, 01:02 PM
Sure they dont give up when they can get something for free. I swear to God these people are going to end up doing something to screw this up. whether is being getting some moron a job that doesnt deserve it and he screws up and a beam falls through the roof or this wonderful council screws the pooch and the areana deal falls through. Im sick and tired of watching and listening to how the Hill Council is standing there with their hands out. Im sorry I didnt know the Hill was a special piece of land that only the Hill residents can do stuff with (or ruine). I thought it was a part of Pittsburgh and could be used to the betterment of the city. These people need to shut up and start helping themselves. SERIOUSLY


Can I get an AMEN!

SteelCityMan786
08-02-2007, 10:32 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07214/806409-100.stm

Penguins delay arena opening until 2010 season

Thursday, August 02, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins will wait until 2010 to open Pittsburgh's new arena.

The team said today it won't rush to complete the new building during the 2009-10 season. Waiting until the following season will give the team ample time to do the building right, not only for the organization but the city as a whole, spokesman Tom McMillan said.

He said the team would lose a couple of months of revenues by waiting but added it feels the trade off is worth it.

"The right thing to do is to do it the right way. The matter of a few more months will enable us to do that," he said.

The Penguins hope to break ground on the arena next spring, with completion targeted for the opening of the 2010-11 season.

In completing a deal in March to build the arena and stay in Pittsburgh, team officials had hoped to be in the new building during the 2009-10 season. But the more the team looked at it, the more it realized the more reasonable goal was the start of the 2010 season, Mr. McMillan said.

"We think this is by far the prudent decision," he said.

The new timetable isn't expected to increase the cost of the $290 million building.

Meanwhile, the city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority has hired Oxford Development and Chester Engineers to serve as its watchdog in the design and construction of the $290 million arena.

The SEA board approved the hiring at its meeting today. The contract for the Oxford-Chester joint venture is estimated at $1.75 million. The firms will serve as the SEA's representative on the project, monitoring its development. The Penguins, who will be the lead tenant in the new building, will be responsible for the design and construction.

SEA Executive Director Mary Conturo said the joint venture was selected from seven firms through a request for proposals.

"They will be our oversight through the whole project," she said.

Also today, the board approved a $478,000 contract, plus expenses, with Graves Architects Inc. to design a 500-space parking garage adjacent to the new arena. The move was made in anticipation of a decision by the Penguins to opt for the garage, which would increase their contribution to the arena construction by $500,000 a year to $4.1 million. Ms. Conturo said that the Penguins, in her conversations with them, seemed to be leaning toward building the garage rather than surface parking.

Ms. Conturo said most site preparation work for the new arena should be done by October. The exception will be the St. Francis Hospital demolition, which is expected to start by November.

However, the arena construction could start before the hospital demolition has been completed.

SteelCityMan786
08-02-2007, 10:32 PM
Personally, I'm not surprised that they opening is going to be set back. Delays because of design you have to figure are going to happen, best taking it one step at a time.

Buzz05
08-03-2007, 05:42 AM
Personally, I'm not surprised that they opening is going to be set back. Delays because of design you have to figure are going to happen, best taking it one step at a time.

Im not surprised either, I mean that have to give themselves extra time. Come on, once the Hill people wine and cry their way to all the jobs building it, the city and the Pens will have to give it extra time to combat all the stolen tools and naps on the job right? :dang:

SteelCityMan786
08-03-2007, 07:48 AM
Im not surprised either, I mean that have to give themselves extra time. Come on, once the Hill people wine and cry their way to all the jobs building it, the city and the Pens will have to give it extra time to combat all the stolen tools and naps on the job right? :dang:

Maybe the Pens can have a security system installed around the site while construction is going on.

83-Steelers-43
08-04-2007, 04:42 PM
Hill residents, others, tour new arena site
Saturday, August 04, 2007

By Bill Schackner, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

About 50 people, including Hill District residents, toured the site of the new Penguins arena today. Some had pointed questions about the project's likely impact on their neighborhood.

Representatives of the city and the firm hired as master planner assured Lower Hill residents, busienss owners and advocacy groups that the process would be inclusive, not a repeat of the wholesale demolition that displaced some 8,000 residents half a century ago to make way for Mellon Arena.

George Moses, 62, who was in grade school then, urged residents of his former neighborhood to stay engaged to safeguard the community's interests.

"We need to stand and say, "Not again," said Mr. Moses, a Point Breeze resident and member of the Hill District Consensus, a community-based group. "We need to stay actively involved."

The tour that set out from Epiphany Church across from Mellon Arena was offered in advance of focus-group meetings seeking public input. The first two of those sessions occur Monday -- one for city and public agencies at 2 p.m. at Urban Design Associates, 31st Floor, Gulf Tower; and one for community organizations and neighborhood groups at 6 p.m. in Duquesne University's student union.

Mayor Luke Ravensthal approved a review process that is more involved than ususal to maximize opportunities for input, said City Planning Director Noor Ismail. Executives of the Penguins and the Sports and Exhibition Authority were among those in atendance.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07216/807072-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
08-04-2007, 05:09 PM
"We need to stand and say, "Not again," said Mr. Moses

Not again? :laughing::wtf:

I love how the Hill residents make it sound like the Penguin organization and the city made their way over the rolling hills and mountains of Western Pennsylvania and conquered the Hill District in Blitzkrieg-like fashion.

"What's today's lesson kids?"....

"It's everybody elses fault. Give me what I'm owed!"

Yep, it's everybody elses fault. :violin::coffee::rolleyes::yawn:

SteelCityMan786
08-04-2007, 05:50 PM
Not again? :laughing::wtf:

I love how the Hill residents make it sound like the Penguin organization and the city made their way over the rolling hills and mountains of Western Pennsylvania and conquered the Hill District in Blitzkrieg-like fashion.

"What's today's lesson kids?"....

"It's everybody elses fault. Give me what I'm owed!"

Yep, it's everybody elses fault. :violin::coffee::rolleyes::yawn:

That's what those government handouts will do to ya.

Buzz05
08-06-2007, 10:47 AM
I love how the Hill residents make it sound like the Penguin organization and the city made their way over the rolling hills and mountains of Western Pennsylvania and conquered the Hill District in Blitzkrieg-like fashion.



:dualies::rocket::ak47::wantsome::duel::bringit:

They brought em all out to take on the Hill!

SteelCityMan786
08-06-2007, 11:00 AM
:dualies::rocket::ak47::wantsome::duel::bringit:

They brought em all out to take on the Hill!

Damn hill residents.

X-Terminator
08-06-2007, 11:47 AM
What kills me about their incessant whining is that the whole arena district would have been revitalized anyway. The Pens weren't going to simply build an arena, and that's that - they wanted to spark something similar to what the stadiums did on the North Shore. If I were the Pens or the mayor, I would tell those residents that not one dime gets spent on their "interests" (bank accounts) until they take more action to clean up their neighborhood. If they really care as much as they say they do, they should have no problem with that. What good would it do to spark economic growth there if you constantly have to worry about your safety and your property being destroyed?

SteelCityMan786
08-06-2007, 11:58 AM
What kills me about their incessant whining is that the whole arena district would have been revitalized anyway. The Pens weren't going to simply build an arena, and that's that - they wanted to spark something similar to what the stadiums did on the North Shore. If I were the Pens or the mayor, I would tell those residents that not one dime gets spent on their "interests" (bank accounts) until they take more action to clean up their neighborhood. If they really care as much as they say they do, they should have no problem with that. What good would it do to spark economic growth there if you constantly have to worry about your safety and your property being destroyed?

Amen to that Brother. I would also start taking some of it away gradually to STARTING NOW! So they go back to joining the work force.

SteelCityMan786
08-07-2007, 01:22 PM
http://penguins.nhl.com/fanzone/arena_cam.htm

Check out all the construction courtesy of a Penguins web cam.

Buzz05
08-07-2007, 02:17 PM
Thats awsome. Too bad I think I can see some Hill residents down there trying to figure out a way of charging people for looking at their neighborhood

X-Terminator
08-07-2007, 09:01 PM
http://penguins.nhl.com/fanzone/arena_cam.htm

Check out all the construction courtesy of a Penguins web cam.

Cool, thanks! I believe that's a shot from the top of Chatham Center, where the Pens' offices are. It'll be fun to watch it take shape from start to finish. I can't wait until the groundbreaking ceremony - I'm going to take a day off if I have to so I can be there in person!

SteelCityMan786
08-07-2007, 10:33 PM
Cool, thanks! I believe that's a shot from the top of Chatham Center, where the Pens' offices are. It'll be fun to watch it take shape from start to finish. I can't wait until the groundbreaking ceremony - I'm going to take a day off if I have to so I can be there in person!

anytime

I hope it happens over a weekend so if they at least show it on TV, that I can watch it.

83-Steelers-43
08-22-2007, 01:14 AM
Hill group to join talks on arena benefits
Wednesday, August 22, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins and Hill District representatives are ready to begin talks to ensure the neighborhood will reap fruit from the construction of a $290 million arena, and not the destruction that accompanied a similar project nearly five decades ago.

The Penguins, along with Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, are expected to sit down with Hill leaders before the end of the month to start negotiations toward a community benefits agreement.

In anticipation of the talks, the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition yesterday said a nine-member negotiating team will represent the neighborhood in discussions with the hockey team and local leaders.

About 100 Hill District groups are represented through the coalition, said Carl Redwood, its chairman. He said the coalition and its negotiating team, selected by the membership, will be the "community voice" in the negotiations.

Hill leaders and residents are seeking to capitalize on the new arena construction, which is expected to start next spring, and avoid the devastation that occurred almost 50 years ago when the Civic Arena (now Mellon Arena) was built. About 8,000 people and 400 businesses were displaced in that project.

In community meetings over the last few months, the coalition has developed a list of benefits it will seek in negotiations with the Penguins and elected officials. Mr. Redwood said they include the first shot at jobs created by the arena and support for community programming.

Toward the latter end, the coalition would like help in landing a neighborhood grocery, an amenity residents have desired for years.

"We do anticipate there will be benefits for the community because there is such a large subsidy going to the Penguins," Mr. Redwood said. "We have to make sure there are substantial benefits that come back."

However, Mr. Redwood said the negotiating team won't push for the $10 million in development funding demanded by one group of Hill residents last spring. He said that was not "one of the planks or benefits the community came up with" during meetings.

The Penguins said they are ready to talk.

"There's a great opportunity here for the city and the region. The arena can be an economic generator, more than just a hockey arena. We acknowledged that what happened here 50 years ago was a travesty," spokesman Tom McMillan said.

The Penguins, he added, already have been working behind the scenes "to try to get something going" regarding a grocery. The team also is looking to add more off-duty police officers to the Crawford Square area during games to prevent illegal parking, which people complained about during recent focus group meetings.

Kevin Evanto, Mr. Onorato's spokesman, said the chief executive "is looking forward to building a consensus and moving forward with the construction of the arena."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07234/811169-61.stm

Buzz05
08-22-2007, 07:29 AM
The Penguins and Hill District representatives are ready to begin talks ( Shakedown) to ensure the neighborhood will reap fruit from the construction of a $290 million arena, and not the destruction that accompanied a similar project nearly five decades ago.

The Penguins, along with Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, are expected to sit down with Hill leaders before the end of the month to start negotiations (Listening to them wine) toward a community benefits agreement.



About 100 Hill District groups are represented through the coalition, said Carl Redwood, its chairman. He said the coalition and its negotiating team, selected by the membership, will be the "community voice" (As loud and annoying as possible) in the negotiations.

Hill leaders and residents are seeking to capitalize on the new arena construction (All while doing a little as possible) which is expected to start next spring, and avoid the devastation that occurred almost 50 years ago when the Civic Arena (now Mellon Arena) was built. About 8,000 people and 400 businesses were displaced in that project.

In community meetings over the last few months, the coalition has developed a list of benefits it will seek in negotiations with the Penguins and elected officials. Mr. Redwood said they include the first shot at jobs created by the arena (While other more deserving people are left without a chance at those jobs) and support for community programming.


Hmmm Just thought I would add what the author was really thinking

X-Terminator
08-22-2007, 08:38 AM
Yep, that about sums up my feelings on it, only it would be pretty hard for me to leave my thoughts out of it. Guess that's why I never really was destined to be a journalist - I'd never have a job for longer than a few months :sofunny:

SteelCityMan786
08-22-2007, 11:28 AM
Yep, that about sums up my feelings on it, only it would be pretty hard for me to leave my thoughts out of it. Guess that's why I never really was destined to be a journalist - I'd never have a job for longer than a few months :sofunny:

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny: Sure looks like it.

83-Steelers-43
08-28-2007, 10:20 AM
:yawn:

Hill District ministers to meet with Pens, officials
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Nine Hill District ministers want to meet with public officials and the Penguins to discuss neighborhood reinvestment that will result from the new arena, including a proposal for $10 million in development funding, even as a separate group gets ready to negotiate its own agreement for residents.

The ministers sent an e-mail to Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, the Penguins and the Sports & Exhibition Authority last week seeking to "reconvene conversations regarding the Hill District community in relation to the lower Hill District site and the new arena."

"As faith leaders, we are clear about what must happen in order to ensure that the Hill District has holistic representation that protects the residents of this community and their interests," the e-mail said. "At this time, we have resolved that our collective leadership is required in order to bring sobering clarity and progress to this complex matter."

They said the discussion would be a follow-up to meetings held in April. Then, they and some Hill business leaders presented a term sheet to Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato that included requests for the $10 million in upfront development funding, plus an unspecified annual contribution for 30 years, to be directed to the "greater Hill District community's development interest"; at least 30 percent of arena jobs for "minorities of color"; and a percentage of revenues from the new arena and future redevelopment of the Mellon Arena site for Hill reinvestment.

Their e-mail arrived as a separate group, the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition, announced that it had formed a nine-member negotiating team to start discussions with city and county leaders and the Penguins on a community benefits agreement for the neighborhood.

The coalition team will sit down with Mr. Onorato, Mr. Ravenstahl and the Penguins today in what was described as an introductory meeting. No negotiating is expected, but a schedule for talks may be set up. Carl Redwood, the One Hill chairman and spokesman, said the coalition represented more than 100 Hill District groups. He said more than 1,000 Hill residents participated in numerous meetings over five months to determine what benefits it wanted in negotiations with the city, county and Penguins.

Mr. Redwood said yesterday he did not know why the ministers, some of whom he described as members of the One Hill coalition, are seeking their own meeting with government leaders and the team. "They don't represent the Hill and to claim otherwise is divisive," he said.

He said he expects the mayor, Mr. Onorato and the Penguins to negotiate with the coalition "as the Hill District community voice." The coalition plans to have a news conference tomorrow to show why it believes it has "reached credibility as the representative for the Hill District in the [community benefits agreement] negotiations as well as the process used to come to community consensus regarding community demands."

City Councilwoman Tonya Payne, who represents the Hill District, said the One Hill coalition was created so there "would be one voice that represented the entire Hill District." She said it was wrong for the ministers to be seeking their own meeting.

"The community has voted on who they wanted to negotiate a community benefits agreement. They selected negotiators. I think it's terribly unfair that [the ministers] would be that presumptuous that they would come out and say they would be better negotiators than the ones chosen by the community," she said.

In an interview Friday, the Rev. Glenn Grayson, senior pastor of Wesley Center African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church and one of the nine ministers seeking a meeting, said the group was "just continuing our dialogue" with local politicians and the Penguins.

He noted a community benefits agreement was just one of the nine requests ministers and other Hill representatives made of the Penguins and the city and county during the initial meetings in April. "We set up another date to meet with public officials to get an update on our request for the total community," he said.

Mr. Redwood has said that among the benefits the One Hill coalition is seeking as a result of the community meetings are the first shot at jobs created by the arena and support for community programming, including help in landing a grocery store which residents have coveted for years.

The list does not, however, include the $10 million in development funding. Mr. Redwood has said that was not one of the benefits "the community came up with" during meetings.

After meeting with the One Hill coalition today, Mr. Onorato tentatively is scheduled to meet with the ministers Sept. 5. Spokesman Kevin Evanto stressed that Mr. Onorato "is committed to building consensus for one community benefits agreement that will apply to the entire Hill District community."

As for today's meeting and whether Mr. Onorato sees the One Hill coalition as the team with which to negotiate such an agreement, Mr. Evanto said: "He's sitting down with the group to talk about the process and how to move forward. I don't think we're at that point yet [of deciding]."

In a statement, Mr. Ravenstahl said, "We are all committed to establishing one [community benefits agreement] that is right for the Hill District and right for Pittsburgh." He had no further comment.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07240/812692-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
08-28-2007, 10:44 AM
"As faith leaders, we are clear about what must happen in order to ensure that the Hill District has holistic representation that protects the residents of this community and their interests," the e-mail said. "At this time, we have resolved that our collective leadership is required in order to bring sobering clarity and progress to this complex matter."

Oh this guy's good. He should join Vick's legal staff.

"The community has voted on who they wanted to negotiate a community benefits agreement. They selected negotiators. I think it's terribly unfair that [the ministers] would be that presumptuous that they would come out and say they would be better negotiators than the ones chosen by the community," she said.

Voted "negotiators": "No, we want the money!!!!"

Ministers: "No, we want to pocket the money. It's for Jeeeeeeeeesus!!!!"

Voted "negotiators": No, we want to be the ones to shake them down and pocket the money!!!"

This is too funny. They can't even agree on who decides to shake the city down. Priceless. :toofunny:

"We are all committed to establishing one [community benefits agreement] that is right for the Hill District and right for Pittsburgh."

Yeah Luke, it was called the IOC. I suggest that Ravenstahl purchase a pair of knee pads, he's going to need them in the weeks/months to come.

SteelCityMan786
08-28-2007, 06:03 PM
Another episode of Hill District Bickering.

83-Steelers-43
08-29-2007, 06:49 AM
Penguins unveil arena design drawings
Hill ministers seek separate meeting on side investments
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
By Ann Belser and Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins last night unveiled preliminary design drawings for the new arena to be built between Centre and Fifth avenues, Uptown, to replace Mellon Arena.

The drawings were shown at a public meeting attended by about 150 people, including Hill District residents and others interested in the design.

The new building, which is being designed by HOK Sport of Kansas City, Mo., will have its main entrance on Centre Avenue near Washington Place, with other entrances on the east side of the building off Centre Avenue and at Fifth Avenue and Washington Place.

Patrick Lempka, lead architect for the project, said the building will be 80 feet tall along Centre Avenue and about 130 feet high at Fifth Avenue.

People on Fifth Avenue won't necessarily see the arena looming above them because the facade along Fifth Avenue will be brick and cast stone storefronts that will be about 55 feet high, with the arena set back on a plaza from the top of that base.

The new building will have a corridor around the main level that will run from Centre Avenue to the plaza behind the Fifth Avenue facade. That circular corridor will be faced with glass while the top of the arena will have some sort of metal or painted metal skin, Mr. Lempka said.

Mr. Lempka said the architects are working with the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority to incorporate features that would make it a green building.

In a related development, nine Hill District ministers want to meet with public officials and the Penguins to discuss neighborhood reinvestment that will result from the new arena, including a proposal for $10 million in development funding, even as a separate group gets ready to negotiate its own agreement for residents.

The ministers sent an e-mail to Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, the Penguins and the Sports & Exhibition Authority last week seeking to "reconvene conversations regarding the Hill District community in relation to the lower Hill District site and the new arena."

"As faith leaders, we are clear about what must happen in order to ensure that the Hill District has holistic representation that protects the residents of this community and their interests," the e-mail said. "At this time, we have resolved that our collective leadership is required in order to bring sobering clarity and progress to this complex matter."

They said the discussion would be a follow-up to meetings held in April. Then, they and some Hill business leaders presented a term sheet to Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato that included requests for the $10 million in upfront development funding, plus an unspecified annual contribution for 30 years, to be directed to the "greater Hill District community's development interest"; at least 30 percent of arena jobs for "minorities of color"; and a percentage of revenues from the new arena and future redevelopment of the Mellon Arena site for Hill reinvestment.

Their e-mail arrived as a separate group, the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition, announced that it had formed a nine-member negotiating team to start discussions with city and county leaders and the Penguins on a community benefits agreement for the neighborhood.

The coalition team was scheduled to sit down with Mr. Onorato, Mr. Ravenstahl and the Penguins yesterday for an introductory meeting.

Carl Redwood, the One Hill chairman and spokesman, said the coalition represented more than 100 Hill District groups. He said more than 1,000 Hill residents participated in numerous meetings over five months to determine what benefits it wanted in negotiations with the city, county and Penguins.

Mr. Redwood said yesterday he did not know why the ministers, some of whom he described as members of the One Hill coalition, are seeking their own meeting with government leaders and the team.

"They don't represent the Hill and to claim otherwise is divisive," he said.

City Councilwoman Tonya Payne, who represents the Hill District, said the One Hill coalition was created so there "would be one voice that represented the entire Hill District." She said it was wrong for the ministers to be seeking their own meeting.

"The community has voted on who they wanted to negotiate a community benefits agreement. They selected negotiators. I think it's terribly unfair that [the ministers] would be that presumptuous that they would come out and say they would be better negotiators than the ones chosen by the community," she said.

In an interview Friday, the Rev. Glenn Grayson, senior pastor of Wesley Center African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church and one of the nine ministers seeking a meeting, said the group was "just continuing our dialogue" with local politicians and the Penguins.

He noted a community benefits agreement was just one of the nine requests ministers and other Hill representatives made of the Penguins and the city and county during the initial meetings in April.

"We set up another date to meet with public officials to get an update on our request for the total community," he said.

Mr. Redwood has said that among the benefits the One Hill coalition is seeking as a result of the community meetings are the first shot at jobs created by the arena and support for community programming, including help in landing a grocery store which residents have coveted for years.

The list does not, however, include the $10 million in development funding. Mr. Redwood has said that was not one of the benefits "the community came up with" during meetings.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07241/812912-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
08-29-2007, 06:50 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200708/20070829arena_500.jpg

Looking east along Centre Avenue.

83-Steelers-43
08-29-2007, 11:34 AM
Hill coalition seeks development around new arena
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
By Ann Belser, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The One Hill coalition, which began negotiating an agreement with the Penguins yesterday to make sure that some of the benefits of the new arena are directed to the Hill District, today released the outline of what it is seeking from the team.

Carl Redwood, a community organizer and the chairman of the executive committee, said the group is more concerned with the jobs that will come from constructing the building and then staffing it than it is with the design.

"We'd like to make sure the Hill District residents have the first shot at the jobs," he said.

The group also is pushing for community development projects, such as a supermarket, he said. The Penguins already have been working on plans for a supermarket. More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07241/813055-100.stm

X-Terminator
08-29-2007, 11:07 PM
Can someone please tell me why in the hell should arena jobs go to Hill District residents first? Ah, nevermind...why bother? It's just a damn shame that they're going to get what they want, and not have to lift a friggin finger to get it, other than by shaking people down.

I will be glad when this is all over and construction begins, because I'm sick of hearing about the Hill residents and their incessant whining.

SteelCityMan786
08-30-2007, 05:53 AM
Can someone please tell me why in the hell should arena jobs go to Hill District residents first? Ah, nevermind...why bother? It's just a damn shame that they're going to get what they want, and not have to lift a friggin finger to get it, other than by shaking people down.

I will be glad when this is all over and construction begins, because I'm sick of hearing about the Hill residents and their incessant whining.

That's for sure. It's really bugging me.

83-Steelers-43
09-02-2007, 01:46 AM
Hill group outlines benefits it expects from new arena
Thursday, August 30, 2007
By Ann Belser, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Hill District still hasn't recovered from the last arena project, longtime residents say.

This time, they are going to make sure they have a signed community benefits agreement before the first girder is hoisted into place.

"The agreement must be in place before there's approval of the master plan" for the development of the new arena, Carl Redwood, chairman of the executive committee for the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition, said.

Mr. Redwood and his committee held an introductory meeting yesterday with representatives of the Penguins, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mary Conturo, executive director of the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority.

The coalition's broad outline of what the community wants from the agreement had four points: social services and education; economic and community development; drug and mental health services; and environmental considerations.

More specifically, it is asking for a grocery store, historic preservation in the neighborhood and making Hill District residents the first source for the new arena's work force. The coalition is also looking for job training and youth programs.

Community benefits agreements have been successfully negotiated in other cities where large-scale developments have been built, said Tom Hoffman, the head of Pittsburgh United, which paid for the mailings and other costs of creating the One Hill coalition.

More than 7,000 hours of volunteer time have also gone into the effort to determine what the community would like to see from the development.

Khari Mosley, the campaign director for Pittsburgh United who worked on organization of the coalition, said the sudden rise of a group of ministers wanting to negotiate their own agreement concerning the arena development is not a distraction for the One Hill group.

"We're staying focused on the community process. That's what brought everyone together," he said.

While the Penguins have already held 10 meetings and a site tour regarding the construction of the new arena, Mr. Redwood said, so far the team has focused on issues that are not related to his group's concerns.

He said the meetings have addressed such issues as parking and traffic.

"Mainly the planning process has dealt with bricks and mortar and not people," he said. "We need to put people over parking. ... Our issue is to make sure the people who work there in the future have good jobs and the people in the Hill District have the opportunity to get those good jobs."

Kevin Evanto, Mr. Onorato's spokesman, said the county chief executive sat down with the One Hill group on Tuesday, talked about the process of putting together the agreement and listened to the concerns of residents.

"We're going to work to a consensus for one community benefits agreement that will cover the whole Hill District," Mr. Evanto said.

Mr. Ravenstahl said he believes the city has been doing a good job of getting community input about the new arena.

Residents were less interested in the drawings of the arena that were presented Tuesday night than they were in the impact on the community.

"It's a beautiful building," said Clyde Hefflin, 65, of the Hill District. "Our concern is the building of the building. ... We're hoping we have something to do with erecting the building and we're looking to have good-paying jobs."

He said the jobs should pay enough so that a family can live on the wages.

Betty Penny, 66, of the Hill District, who went to all 10 public meetings on the new arena, said Tuesday night that she was 18 or 19 and a new bride when the lower Hill District was demolished to build the Civic Arena, forcing residents and businesses to leave the community.

Mrs. Penny said she was opposed to a previous proposal that included a slots casino next to the new arena "because we already have enough problems with the drugs and the guns."

She said she is watching now to make sure the traffic that goes past her house on Bedford Avenue is kept to a minimum and that the value of her property does not fall, either.

Mr. Onorato, Mr. Ravenstahl, Ms. Conturo and the One Hill negotiating team are scheduled to meet again next Thursday.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07242/813323-61.stm

83-Steelers-43
09-02-2007, 01:53 AM
and we're looking to have good-paying jobs.

"Looking" or demanding? Little bit of a difference there buddy. See, people who go out and "look" for jobs, first have to prove to the employer that they are capable of doing the job at hand. If that person proves to the employer that they are capable, then they get the job! Amazing how that works huh?

I can't wait for when we move into the new arena and I have to wait 25 minutes in line to get a beer and a dog because we don't have the most capable people doing the job, but the one's who were simply given the job. I don't spend the money on season tickets in section B to miss half a period of hockey during each home game.

SteelCityMan786
09-02-2007, 10:33 AM
"Looking" or demanding? Little bit of a difference there buddy. See, people who go out and "look" for jobs, first have to prove to the employer that they are capable of doing the job at hand. If that person proves to the employer that they are capable, then they get the job! Amazing how that works huh?

I can't wait for when we move into the new arena and I have to wait 25 minutes in line to get a beer and a dog because we don't have the most capable people doing the job, but the one's who were simply given the job. I don't spend the money on season tickets in section B to miss half a period of hockey during each home game.

Demanding is how I'm taking it.

Your right 83, (Speaking in my stand point) If I'm in line for a cup of Coke or trying to pick up a slice of Pizza, I don't want to wait that long. The reason I come to see a Penguins Hockey Game is to actually SEE A GAME. If I'm hungry/thirsty, I want to be able to get in and get out.

This pretty much shows what today's society is. It's ME, ME ME. It's being perfectly demonstrated by the hill residents. THIS JUST IN HILL DISTRICT, NO ONE IS OWED ANYTHING IN LIFE, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!

SteelCityMan786
09-03-2007, 09:57 PM
http://cdn.nhl.com/penguins/images/upload/2007/08/CentreUphillsketch.jpg

Arena Sketches

SteelCityMan786
09-03-2007, 09:58 PM
http://cdn.nhl.com/penguins/images/upload/2007/08/inside.jpg

X-Terminator
09-05-2007, 09:21 AM
URA to vote on plan to buy land around new Uptown arena

By Bonnie Pfister
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, September 5, 2007

The Urban Redevelopment Authority will vote Thursday whether to pick up half the tab for any land around the Penguins' new Uptown arena that the team fails to develop.

The URA board would split the bill with the Redevelopment Authority of Allegheny County for purchase of any land not developed by the team within 10 years of the arena's opening. That price tag could be as high as $15 million.

The provision is part of a March memorandum of understanding, in which the city, county, state and city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority agreed to give the hockey team a $15 million credit to develop land owned by the sports authority.

"The Penguins are getting a sweetheart deal," said Frank Gamrat, senior research associate at the Allegheny Institute for Public Policy, a Castle Shannon think tank. "Not only are they getting the rights to develop on the current arena site, but if they don't develop the other parcels there, the SEA will pay them."

Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan did not respond to phone messages left Tuesday.

Sports authority Executive Director Mary Conturo said it was likely the team would use up the credit by purchasing surrounding land at market rates. If not, the SEA would first seek a bank loan to pay the Penguins what remained of the $15 million credit, using the undeveloped land as collateral. Tapping the city and county redevelopment arms would be a last resort.

Don Kortlandt, the URA's acting executive director, agreed that buying the land would be unlikely. If that occurred, the URA and the county would hold prime real estate. Parking revenue alone would more than cover the acquisition cost, said Kevin Evanto, spokesman for county Chief Executive Dan Onorato.

But Gamrat was skeptical that the Penguins will pay much attention to development beyond the arena walls.

"People tend to forget that the goal of an arena or stadium is to get people to spend as much money inside as possible -- not outside," he said.

"The Penguins make money on concessions, on sales inside the facility, so they're going to load it up with restaurants. I'm not sure what kind of development they're going to want to push (outside)."

A master plan for the surrounding land will not be contemplated until the arena is built and occupied, Conturo said.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_525728.html

83-Steelers-43
09-20-2007, 09:39 AM
Penguins sign agreement to stay in city until 2040
Thursday, September 20, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato today announced that the Penguins have formally signed a lease for a new arena that commits them to staying in Pittsburgh into 2040.

The lease signed Tuesday formalizes an agreement reached in March. The Sports & Exhibition Authority, which is overseeing the project, could also ratify the deal today.

Mr. Rendell and Mr. Onorato made the announcement in advance of grounbreaking for US Airways' flight operations center in Moon.

The arena lease means the SEA will be able to close on a $325 million bond issue to finance construction. The bonds could be issued by October.

The Penguins, casino developer Don Barden and the state's casino-financed development fund will pay for the bonds.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07263/819121-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
09-20-2007, 01:41 PM
Penguins sign agreement to stay in city until 2040
Thursday, September 20, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato today announced that the Penguins have formally signed a lease for a new arena that commits them to staying in Pittsburgh into 2040.

The lease signed Tuesday formalizes an agreement reached in March. The Sports & Exhibition Authority, which is overseeing the project, could also ratify the deal today.

Mr. Rendell and Mr. Onorato made the announcement in advance of grounbreaking for US Airways' flight operations center in Moon.

The arena lease means the SEA will be able to close on a $325 million bond issue to finance construction. The bonds could be issued by October.

The Penguins, casino developer Don Barden and the state's casino-financed development fund will pay for the bonds.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07263/819121-100.stm

Well it's official. In the winter we can look forward to the saying


IT'S A HOCKEY NIGHT NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH for the next 43 years.

X-Terminator
11-14-2007, 10:32 AM
Penguins Unveil Updated Arena Drawings

Joe Sager | pittsburghpenguins.com
Nov 13, 2007, 5:18 PM EST

The Penguins? new home is starting to take shape.
Updated Arena Renderings

The team unveiled exterior designs for its new multipurpose arena on Tuesday.

?This is another milestone for us as we move forward with the new arena,? Penguins CEO Ken Sawyer said. ?This next step is getting approval for the site plan from the City Planning Commission. That process has reached a point now where we submitted our plans.

?We talk a lot about hockey and it?s natural for us to focus in on that, but always remember that this arena will be used more dates for other events. It is really, really important to us that this is a multipurpose arena and is really a treat when you?re there for a concert of family show.?

The arena design, which calls for an adjacent 500-space parking garage and about two and a half acres of green space, will incorporate many of the best features of new arenas from all around the country.

?There?s a lot of work to be done inside, but we?re very excited about where we?re headed with the design,? Sawyer said. ?We need some more input from our fans and season ticketholders. We have been around to virtually every arena in the league and other leagues often, more than once, and we?re trying to pick the best things we see in other arenas to make sure we have the composite of what is the best arena out there in our minds. We certainly know it?ll be one of the best in the United States.?

The approximately 18,500-seat arena?s interior will stress sightlines and accessibility as well as many high-tech amenities.

?The arena is just going to be exceptional. We?re going to replicate some of the great ideas we?ve seen out there,? Sawyer said. ?We?re going to have a series of restaurants and food and beverage opportunities. The concourses will be a lot wider than what we have now and a lot easier to move around. Of course, what you don?t see here is our commitment. We want to have the best and latest in electronics.?

Wayne London of HOK Sport, the firm in charge of the building design, is thrilled with the plans.

?This is really an exciting building for us. We have visited all of these arenas and we are picking the best of the best and putting them in this building,? he said. ?We compliment the Penguins and their staff because we have never on a project, as an architect, had this much input up front. Same with the city. We worked with relentlessly with everyone, taking in their comments and reflected those into the design to where this is just going to be an outstanding, outstanding facility. We are going to be extremely proud to be a part of it.?

The progress on the arena has been steady.

?There?s a lot of work left to happen,? Sawyer said. ?Our plan is to be under full-scale development of the building by next June or July. We may be in the ground a little bit ahead of that doing some excavation and foundation work, but we?re on time for our Fall of 2010 opening.

?We?re excited with a lot of things about this arena.?

http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=343182

Updated drawings: http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=MediaGalleryPlayer&galleryId=3147

83-Steelers-43
11-14-2007, 04:31 PM
lol, for Pete's Sake, how many drawings are they going to show me? Just start up the damn thing already.

SteelCityMan786
11-14-2007, 04:54 PM
lol, for Pete's Sake, how many drawings are they going to show me? Just start up the damn thing already.

When's the groundbreaking ceremony.

X-Terminator
11-14-2007, 07:04 PM
When's the groundbreaking ceremony.

I know that the site is supposed to be ready by March, so I'm guessing the groundbreaking ceremony will be shortly thereafter if they are planning on doing the excavation work before starting the construction of the building itself.

83-Steelers-43
12-27-2007, 10:52 PM
When's the groundbreaking ceremony.

Not until the Hill 'coalition' tells us it's okay. Then and only then will we be able to break holy ground......:wink02:

SteelCityMan786
12-27-2007, 10:55 PM
Not until the Hill 'coalition' tells us it's okay. Then and only then will we be able to break holy ground......:wink02:

Which is when they stop DEMANDING!

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 09:20 PM
LOL, this is priceless.....

Come Take a Stand for the Hill!
On January 14th at the Planning Commission Meeting
2:00 p.m . at 200 Ross Street,
1st Floor Conference Room

The Penguins are getting 300 million to 1 billion dollars of our tax $ for their new arena. But the City, County and Penguins don't want to give even $1 to the Hill to control in the effort to improve the quality of life for Hill residents.One Hill is trying to get a grocery store, jobs, youth programming, home preservation fund, economic development and community center, etc...
The City and County have said no to most of what has been asked

Help us show them the Hill District won't take no for an answer!
Bring your friends, family and neighbors.
Call to let us know you'll be there!
One Hill CBA Coalition
412.392.6479

Question #1: Where in the hell are they getting the $1 billion figure? I doubt they even know.

Question #2: But the City, County and Penguins don't want to give even $1 to the Hill to control

So these idiots are expecting the city, county and the Penguins to simply hand over a nice big fat check so the 'coalition' can do whatever in the hell they want with it? No questions asked. I'm glad that group has a great handle of the situation and is communicating on the up and up.

of our tax $

Out of their taxes? Yeah right! The majority of the people there are not paying the taxes they should be paying to begin with and the majority of the same people complaining are already getting their tax dollars worth of money from the goverment. It comes from my paycheck and is delivered once a month to their front door.

Once again, all it boils down to in my book is "Bitch, bitch, bitch, give me, give me, give me, we are owed, we are owed, we are owed.". Nothing but a cheap shake down for handouts.

Here you go, enjoy......:flipoff:

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 09:52 PM
Then there's this little gem from KDKA. It get's better......

But some members have said without cash donations, they will ask the City Planning Commission to reject the arena development plan when it comes up for vote next month.

Donations? Donations?!?!?! That's what they are calling it these days? That's cute. Why don't they call up Don Barden? I'm sure he's more than willing to help them out. Afterall, he's their buddy.

"One Hill Group"......lol, that's good. They even have a cute little name.

You know who I blame this all on? That damn Colby Armstrong. I bet he skipped a few people up there when they were handing out turkeys for Thanksgiving.

Next article to spew out from the "One Hill Group"......

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/121/260623949_8e4e05081a_m.jpghttp://mike.krcil.com/blog/colby.jpg

If you have seen this man, please contact One Hill CBA Coalition 412.392.6479. He will be asked to "donate" $1,000 out of his contract next season because of his complete lack of sympathy and respect for the excellent citizens of the Hill District. Thank you for your cooperation (You have no choice. You KNOW the routine).

Name: Colby Joseph Armstrong

AKA: Army

DOB and location: November 23, 1982. Lloydminster, Saskatchewan. Resides in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan during the offseason.

Height: 6'2

Weight: 187

Distinctive features: The nose.

WARNING: Please do not attempt to confront this man. He is considered armed and dangerous. His weapon of choice is normally a RBK ProLite 7K, but at times he has been known to wield a Nike Bauer Vapor XXX-Lite. Call us immediately when you see this man.

SteelCityMan786
01-02-2008, 10:34 PM
LOL, this is priceless.....



Question #1: Where in the hell are they getting the $1 billion figure? I doubt they even know.

Question #2:

So these idiots are expecting the city, county and the Penguins to simply hand over a nice big fat check so the 'coalition' can do whatever in the hell they want with it? No questions asked. I'm glad that group has a great handle of the situation and is communicating on the up and up.



Out of their taxes? Yeah right! The majority of the people there are not paying the taxes they should be paying to begin with and the majority of the same people complaining are already getting their tax dollars worth of money from the goverment. It comes from my paycheck and is delivered once a month to their front door.

Once again, all it boils down to in my book is "Bitch, bitch, bitch, give me, give me, give me, we are owed, we are owed, we are owed.". Nothing but a cheap shake down for handouts.

Here you go, enjoy......:flipoff:

1. They're exaggerating and being idiotic

2. Yeah me to. It's rewarding when a bunch of lazy bums are living off of taxes which are contributed through my family and other people's taxes from paychecks. If they want money so bad, why don't they get off their asses and get jobs? I'm 16 and I'm already looking for a job which I can do during the summer when school is out and I'll have a lot more free time before the start of next school year. I also have friends who are in the workforce now and I feel it's unfair that they're paychecks which they have earned so well are being contributed to some of the laziest people.

Your book and mine. They don't get it, NO ONE IS OWED ANYTHING IN LIFE BUT THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS.

X-Terminator
01-02-2008, 11:23 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading all of that...

I do know that you guys don't have any idea how absolutely friggin embarrassing this is for me personally. I bust my ass every single day (and night now) to earn my keep like any other American, never complaining, never asking for or demanding a damn thing from anyone...but because of these bums, I get lumped in with them. At least, that's how I feel.

The real sad part about all of this posturing is that they will end up getting everything they want. And by the odd chance that they don't, the arena plans will pass anyway, and they will just have to deal with it.

HometownGal
01-03-2008, 08:07 AM
Screw them. They want the City and the Pens to pay for their revitalization so they can graffiti it all up and destroy it in a year or two? How about getting a J-O-B and spending some of your "hard earned cash" revitalizing your own damned neighborhood instead of spending it on Wild Irish Rose and crack? :upyours:

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2008, 09:53 AM
1. They're exaggerating and being idiotic

2. Yeah me to. It's rewarding when a bunch of lazy bums are living off of taxes which are contributed through my family and other people's taxes from paychecks. If they want money so bad, why don't they get off their asses and get jobs? I'm 16 and I'm already looking for a job which I can do during the summer when school is out and I'll have a lot more free time before the start of next school year. I also have friends who are in the workforce now and I feel it's unfair that they're paychecks which they have earned so well are being contributed to some of the laziest people.

Your book and mine. They don't get it, NO ONE IS OWED ANYTHING IN LIFE BUT THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS.

They keep bringing up a grocery store. Are they seriously expecting Giant Eagle or Shop N' Save to open up a grocery store in that area? They are better off opening up a store in the Gaza Strip. Maybe, just maybe if stores were not getting knocked off in that area once a week they might have considered it by now.

Maybe they should stop counting on the goverment to clean up the area. Maybe they should start to clean up the area, but that would mean work and determination. Well, whatever they get in that area I know I won't spend a cent. See how long it lasts. Like I said, I just simply laugh when these people spew out what they feel they are owed. It's becoming more and more amusing as the months go by. I'd love to see how many of those people show up to the new arena and support the Penguins. Maybe when they get their handouts they will throw out some cash on tickets? Then again they have to keep their priorities in check, an 8-ball is more important.

But hey, having the top crackhead in the Hill District working behind the concession stand because he was 'given' that job will be great. It will only take about a period and a half to get your dog and beer. My only suggestion to the Penguins, state and city......bring your KY when you do business with these cafones, your going to need it.

http://visualresistance.org/wordpress/images/_buy_crack_here.jpg (Actual building in the Hill..lol)

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Hopefully this is good enough for them even though I doubt it. Can't wait to hear what Mr. Frazier and 'Reverend' Smith have to say about this. I'm sure they will find something else to bitch and moan about.....more, more, more.

Officials unveil plans for Hill District
Thursday, January 03, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl offered representatives of Hill District groups a seven-part community benefits agreement today that included new services, plans and facilities, but not a direct transfer of dollars from a new arena to neighborhood development efforts.

The package is a result of "many meetings and discussions" and represents "significant benefit to the community," according to the cover letter accompanying the proposal.

The package includes a master plan for Hill development, funded by the city and county.

Officials will go to the neighborhood to detail social services and recreational and training opportunities available to residents, and to identify any gaps in the available services.

The city and county will set up and operate a "resource center" to connect people to services and jobs, including those related to the arena project.

Both governments and the Penguins would "support the establishment of a viable grocery store in the Hill District and . . . use good faith efforts to cause that to occur," in the words of the proposal.

Similarly, they pledge their support for a new YMCA in the 2100 block of Centre Avenue, and offer to help win state money toward its development.

The Sports & Exhibition Authority and the Penguins will meet quarterly with neighborhood representatives to discuss design, scheduling, construction, contract opportunities, and job opportunities at the arena.

There is no reference to direct funding for development groups in the Hill District or sharing of arena revenues, which some neighborhood leaders have sought. It isn't clear whether the mayor and executive believe they need community leaders to sign off on the proposal to make it official.

The letter is addressed to Hill House Association Executive Director Evan Frazier, who was not immediately available, and Monumental Baptist Church Rev. Thomas Smith, who had not seen it yet.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08003/846452-100.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2008, 11:34 PM
And as I expected.........

Arena plan leaves Hill leaders skeptical
Friday, January 04, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Hill District may get a grocery store as part of a new arena plan, but it won't get control over development under a "community benefits agreement" released by city and county officials yesterday.

Hill District leaders noted that if there is an "agreement," it isn't with them.

They said they will confer over the next few days and decide whether to oppose a scheduled Jan. 14 city planning commission vote on the master plan for replacing Mellon Arena.

"There needs to be some negotiations," said Carl Redwood, chairman of a group known as One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition that has lobbied for neighborhood improvements. He said the city of Pittsburgh, Allegheny County and Pittsburgh Penguins should "create a fund with a certain amount set aside to support community development and programming."

Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said he wants to hear what the neighborhood has to say about the plan, but doesn't think it should include development money.

"I do not anticipate any significant adjustments," he said. "The proposal that we put forth was a fair one."

The three-page plan was included in a letter from Mr. Ravenstahl and county Chief Executive Dan Onorato to Hill House Association Executive Director Evan Frazier and the Rev. Thomas Smith of Monumental Baptist Church.

The two recipients represent separate groups that have demanded a community benefits agreement, like the ones some other neighborhoods nationwide have gotten as part of large developments. They want to ensure that the Hill benefits from the coming $290 million arena, rather than suffering from it as the neighborhood did when Mellon Arena was built in the 1960s.

Under the plan, the city and county will "support the establishment of a viable grocery in the Hill District," meeting a long-standing need of the neighborhood.

Penguins co-owner Ron Burkle is a supermarket baron.

"To the degree that we can use the resources of Mr. Burkle to help us strategically, we'll do that," said Ron Porter, a senior consultant to the team.

The city and county also will help win state funding for a new YMCA in the 2100 block of Centre Avenue, and "set up and staff" a "resource center" with services to help residents find training and jobs, including some at the arena.

Officials will go to the neighborhood to detail social services and recreational and training opportunities already available, and to identify any gaps in the available services.

The city and county also will fund a Hill master plan for development, with community input.

The Sports & Exhibition Authority and the Penguins will meet quarterly with neighborhood representatives to discuss design, scheduling, construction, contract opportunities and jobs at the arena.

The city and county pledge to consult a database put together by Hill District groups when they pick new members for boards and commissions, "especially those related to the social service agencies that are active in or have an impact in the Hill District," according to the plan.

"I think it's a good document," said city Councilwoman Tonya Payne.

She said she'll wait to see what One Hill's negotiating team, led by Mr. Frazier, has to say about it before endorsing or rejecting it.

She said the city and county should be willing to negotiate further.

"This can't be, 'Hey, here's the community benefits agreement,' " she said.

One Hill isn't happy that Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato didn't address the demand for community control of development funds.

"They have no problem with giving [the Penguins] the full development rights on the lower Hill" as well as parking and arena revenues, Mr. Redwood said. "When it comes to a community improvement fund, the politicians say 'no.' "

"I was never convinced that [development funding] was appropriate as part of the [community benefits agreement]," said Mr. Ravenstahl. Noting that the city and county already have development agencies, he said, "I believe that process should take place through those authorities."

Mr. Onorato is "committed to building consensus" around the document, said his spokesman, Kevin Evanto.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08004/846626-52.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-03-2008, 11:43 PM
"The proposal that we put forth was a fair one."

Ya think Luke? Those of us who actually work for a living and give two shits about our communities would agree.

The Penguins are stating they want to help, they are willing to build them a grocery store, a YMCA and a resource center which will probably last about ten years tops.

They stated they will 'give' them jobs even though I see plenty of jobs on Craig's List and www.pittsburghjobs.com. What has stopped them from going out and getting a job before now I will never know exactly.

It appears to me, the scumbags up there are upset because the Penguins will not write them a check and say "Here, do whatever you want with it.". They should be lucky they are getting anything at all. F-ing amazing.

What amazes me even more is that the city, state nor the Penguins will not flat out say "Enough is enough. Take it or leave it.". The media in this city has kept quiet on this topic. I'm sure the last thing they need is the ever ready and commonly used race card pulled on them. Who needs that B.S.?

Take it or leave it. Take what is being handed out to you. Apparently pride and self respect was thrown out the window a long time ago, so take it and STFU.

83-Steelers-43
01-07-2008, 09:58 AM
*Drum roll please*

And the first homicide of 2008 goes to...............

The lovely part of Pittsburgh known as the Hill District!!!

http://www.wpxi.com/news/14990358/detail.html

Penguins, city and state officials, tell them what they won!!!!

Use "good faith efforts" to establish a grocery store in the Hill District.

• Support the YMCA, set to be built in the 2100 block of Centre Avenue, and pursue grants for development.

• Hold quarterly meetings to update the community on the arena design, construction and job opportunities for Hill District residents.

• Set up and staff a "resource center" for at least two years in the Hill District to help people get job training and social services.

• Assess how drug, alcohol, mental health, recreational and youth programs are serving the neighborhood.

• Develop a master plan that would recommend how to develop land around the arena based on community input.

• Consult a database of Hill District residents for potential appointments to city and county boards, authorities and commissions -- particularly those dealing with social services or the Hill District.

Congratulations Hill District residents, you make Pittsburgh proud!!! We are known as a "hard working, blue collar town" where the citizens actually contribute something to society, you folks up there in the Hill are the reason why we have that tag!!! :flap:

83-Steelers-43
01-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Pens give Aramark deal for arena concessions
By Mike Wereschagin
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, January 8, 2008

Aramark extended its dominance of Pittsburgh's professional sports concession stands today with the announcement of a 10-year contract for the new Penguins arena, scheduled to open in the fall of 2010.

The Philadelphia-based food service giant also will run the new arena's retail stores, kiosks, luxury suites, clubs and a planned restaurant, the company said. Aramark has run Mellon Arena's concession stands since 1991, and does the same for the Steelers and Pirates. The company runs retail shops at Mellon Arena and PNC Park, as well, said Aramark spokesman David Freireich.

Aramark executives already are collaborating with Penguins executives on desiging the food and retail portions of the planned Hill District arena, which is expected to cost about $300 million and is being paid for by the Penguins, gambling revenue and about $20 million in tax dollars.

Freireich declined to disclose how much the exclusive contract is worth.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_546426.html

83-Steelers-43
01-09-2008, 02:17 PM
Hill leaders push for arena accord
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Hill District leaders pressed their case for a legally binding benefits agreement for a new arena yesterday, even as their pleas seemed to fall on deaf ears.

Less than 24 hours after rejecting an offer from Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition led a bus tour through the neighborhood to show off potential development sites that could be helped by such a deal.

Carl Redwood, chairman of One Hill, urged Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato to return to the bargaining table to negotiate a community benefits agreement "in good faith" by next week, or the group will seek to block city planning commission approval of a master plan for the new arena.

"We demand that they come back to the table because they're treating us with disrespect," he said.

Mr. Redwood said the seven-part proposal offered by the mayor and chief executive was a "decree," not a negotiated agreement with legally binding commitments and penalties for noncompliance.

The offer included development of a master plan, establishment of a job placement office and promises to encourage construction of a supermarket, but One Hill criticized its vagueness.

The group said it wants to see commitments on funding for a grocery and a community center, concrete goals for the number and quality of jobs to be produced by the arena development, and assurances that a proposed master plan "would have community ownership and direction."

Despite the pressure, Mr. Ravenstahl doesn't anticipate major changes to the proposed agreement, even as he said he recognized that the Hill District groups "have some concerns."

"I don't anticipate any significant movement from the seven points. ... I don't anticipate adding additional points," he said.

He said a pledge to make a good-faith effort to lure a grocery store to the neighborhood doesn't need any additional detail.

"None of us have a reason to not do everything we can to help put a grocery store in the Hill. ... My efforts will be there to leverage funding" and work with the Penguins to bring a store.

While Mr. Onorato said he's willing to continue talking with Hill groups about a benefits agreement, he said that common goals, including development of the 28-acre Mellon Arena site and the Hill District above Crawford Square, can be achieved without such a deal.

"If it includes a CBA, great. If we can't come to a consensus on the terms, I think we should still push forward with the common goal of developing the 28 acres and development above Crawford [Square] with input from the community," he said.

Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato said they won't buckle to a demand for a separate development process or development funding stream for the Hill. That, Mr. Ravenstahl said, would circumvent the public processes already in place that govern development in the city and county.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08009/847721-61.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Hmmmm, homicide in the hill? Is there real reason for us to need to bargain with them? Maybe they could use the money they have to fight the crime first. More of it needs to go into fighting crime there. If they do that, that will be a big step forward.

X-Terminator
01-10-2008, 01:30 AM
I'm glad that Ravenstahl and Onorato are standing firm. It's a fair agreement. And no matter how much they whine, they will not block the city planning commission from approving the master plan on Monday.

I really wish they'd all take the advice that my Mom gave me, and that is that nobody owes you anything. The Pens, city and county don't owe the Hill District a damn thing, and they should be fortunate that they got what they got.

Preacher
01-10-2008, 02:03 AM
I'm glad that Ravenstahl and Onorato are standing firm. It's a fair agreement. And no matter how much they whine, they will not block the city planning commission from approving the master plan on Monday.

I really wish they'd all take the advice that my Mom gave me, and that is that nobody owes you anything. The Pens, city and county don't owe the Hill District a damn thing, and they should be fortunate that they got what they got.

That was great right up until the time a lot of politicians told people that... hey wait a second... the govt. DOES owe for something.

What they REALLY meant was.. Hey. Here is money, now vote for us.

83-Steelers-43
01-10-2008, 10:11 AM
Hmmmm, homicide in the hill? Is there real reason for us to need to bargain with them? Maybe they could use the money they have to fight the crime first. More of it needs to go into fighting crime there. If they do that, that will be a big step forward.

I'm waiting to see how long that grocery store lasts. There was already one up there and it closed down.

While I'm trying to figure out why they are "owed" anything or why the Penguins have to give them a cent, I'm reading in amusement how the deal is not good enough. No other county resident is 'demanding' handouts from the Penguins or from the city. Then I'm watching KDKA news the other day and I see Onorato and moron Ravenstahl state that they want to sit back down again with the Hill shakedown group and make changes to the proposal. The handouts are never good enough.

Onorato and Ravenstahl are going to have some sore lips after this is all said and done. When's it going to end?

83-Steelers-43
01-10-2008, 10:57 AM
:yawn:

Sports & Exhibition Authority to try again with One Hill
By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, January 10, 2008

Hill District residents scored another chance Wednesday to fight for control of development near the planned Penguins hockey arena.

The city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority yesterday called a negotiating session for 3 p.m. Friday with the One Hill Coalition, which is frustrated over vague promises city and county officials have made to support a long-sought grocery store, social service programs and arena jobs for Hill District residents.

Friday's meeting represents a last-minute chance to inject precise, legally-binding language into the community benefits agreement before the city Planning Commission votes on the arena's master plan Monday, said Evan Frazier, One Hill's chief negotiator.

"This meeting on Friday I think is a good next step," said Frazier, who is executive director of the Hill House Association on Centre Avenue.

The One Hill Coalition wants to have a community benefits agreement that spells out how much money the city, county and Penguins will invest in the Hill District before the commission's vote.

"We'll be there looking to find common ground that makes sense for the Hill," Frazier said, adding that he expects to meet with Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato on Friday.

Onorato and Ravenstahl sent Frazier a seven-point community benefits agreement last Thursday that promises only "good faith" support for a new grocery store in the Hill, a planned YMCA, job training and a staffed social services resource center.


The offer did not contain the desired guarantee of money for a development fund that members of the One Hill Coalition would control to pay for historic preservation of Hill District landmarks such as the Crawford Grill, new housing near the Arcena Street Overlook and a grocery store.


Ravenstahl said he is open to a "tweaking of the language" in the agreement. He declined to specify changes he would be willing to make. He reiterated his opposition to handing over control of a taxpayer-subsidized development fund.

"I don't believe that development fund dollars should be given to any entity in the Hill District," Ravenstahl said.

"If that is the sticking point, then we are indeed going to have a problem. But if they're genuine in their concerns about the language that currently exits, that's something that we're going to sit down and have a discussion about and ideally come to some sort of resolution," he said.

Coalition members won't say how much money they want, but a separate group of nine Hill District ministers has asked for $10 million.

They do not have the support of state Sen. Jim Ferlo, D-Highland Park, whose district includes the Hill. He is a board member of the Urban Redevelopment Authority, which is a likely candidate to provide any funding.

"I do not support a development fund where a pot of money is handed over to some nebulous group," Ferlo said.

The Penguins hockey arena is scheduled to open for the 2010-11 season.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_546766.html

SteelCityMan786
01-14-2008, 08:00 PM
http://post-gazette.com/pg/08014/849120-100.stm
Hill development pact not final but vote still planned
Monday, January 14, 2008
By Rich Lord and Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The plan for a new arena won a key approval tonight despite a determined effort by Hill District advocates who wanted guaranteed neighborhood benefits first.

The city Planning Commission voted 4-3 to approve an arena master plan that governs the overall site layout.

The commission attached 14 new conditions related to parking and traffic, but would not hold up the vote pending a neighbor benefits agreement, as Hill residents demanded.

Earlier in the day, Hill leaders would not indicate whether they approve or disapprove of a commission vote on the plan. "We're still in negotiations," said Carl Redwood, leader of the One Hill Community Benefit Agreement Coalition. "We do not have an agreement, but we're working very hard to get one."

Those words came at a press conference this afternoon. That followed talks that went until 1:30 a.m. today and another round of 90 minutes this morning. Neither One Hill nor Mayor Luke Ravenstahl would provide details on the emerging agreement.

"They're confident that they can reach this agreement," said City Councilwoman Tonya Payne.

The One Hill group had asked for neighborhood-controlled development funding, first dibs on jobs for Hill residents, a grocery store and community center, more park space and input into a redevelopment master plan.

Mr. Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato had countered with a pledge to help fund a neighborhood plan, a resource center and a YMCA, plus a "good-faith effort" to lure a grocery store. The Penguins, who were not at the table today, pledged $2 million toward a grocery store.

Mr. Redwood said the absence of the Penguins from the negotiations is "a hole" in the process that could cause problems. Team officials, waiting outside of the mayor's office after the press conference, would not comment.

The city-county offer also included promises to bring more social services to the Hill, and to carefully consider its residents for board appointments.

"We've made progress in regards to language" to appear in an agreement, said Mr. Ravenstahl. "Today's [Planning Commission] vote is independent of the [negotiating] process as far as I'm concerned. . . . The process will continue regardless of anything that happens today or doesn't happen today."

A separate group of ministers and others from the Hill was not represented at the bargaining table yesterday or today. The Rev. Thomas Smith, of Monumental Baptist Church, said today that the ministers will review any agreement that comes out of One Hill's process and determine whether it goes far enough to preserve community assets and redevelop structures like the New Granada Theater.

"I'm quite sure that the One Hill group is working to get the best community benefits agreement they can get," said the Rev. Smith. "We've been pretty much on the same page. We've just gone about it in different ways."

83-Steelers-43
01-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Yeah, was watching the local news the other day and I saw the 'coalition' lighting fire to the agreement in the middle of the street. Classy group of folks they have up there.

Like I said, If I were the city/Penguins, I wouldn't give them a damn thing and I would start to build the arena. What can they do besides bitch and moan? I'm not a lawyer, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what legal course these scumbags could possibly take when it comes to this situation. They are not "owed" anything by the city, state or Penguins.

What can they do? Picket? Let them picket all they want.

Jeremy
01-16-2008, 10:26 AM
They want a grocery store right? Don't they realize that every major chain in the Northeast has already said no to opening a store there?

Edman
01-16-2008, 11:12 AM
They probably want a grocery store/market just so their wonderful residents can shoplift the hell out of it. Or maybe they're just lazy to travel to other parts of the town to shop.

Here in Homewood/Point Breeze, all there is are a bunch of corner stores and a KFC. Just recently there was a little mini-market just opened here named Perry's. And offers the closest we'll ever have resembling a local grocery store. You don't hear Homewood residents whining about a supermarket.

SteelCityMan786
01-16-2008, 03:48 PM
They want a grocery store right? Don't they realize that every major chain in the Northeast has already said no to opening a store there?

Unless they get one of those corner store style grocery stores.

HometownGal
01-16-2008, 04:04 PM
Unless they get one of those corner store style grocery stores.

No matter what chain decides to erect a building up there, it is going to be graffiti'd, robbed blind and ultimately destroyed. The city and the Penguins may as well throw that money off the top of USX Tower - it's going to be all for naught.

Doesn't the city realize that by giving in to their "demands", a precedent is now being set for residents in other areas of the city to make demands because of the One Hill coalition getting their hineys kissed? If the Pens raise ticket prices again next season, I'll be the first in line B & M'ing. I'll be damned if one damned dime of my money is going to go to those bloodsuckers.

SteelCityMan786
01-16-2008, 04:06 PM
No matter what chain decided to erect a building up there, it is going to be graffiti'd, robbed blind and ultimately destroyed. The city and the Penguins may as well throw that money off the top of USX Tower - it's going to be all for naught.

Doesn't the city realize that by giving in to their "demands", a precedent is now being set for residents in other areas of the city to make demands because of the One Hill coalition getting their hineys kissed? If the Pens raise ticket prices again next season, I'll be the first in line B & M'ing. I'll be damned if one damned dime of my money is going to go to those bloodsuckers.

How about we just give them our birds to them and build the arena and bulldoze the entire Hill District and rebuild it.

X-Terminator
01-16-2008, 07:53 PM
They want a grocery store right? Don't they realize that every major chain in the Northeast has already said no to opening a store there?

From what I've heard, Aldi came to them a couple years ago and wanted to build a market up there, and they said no, because they wanted a full-service supermarket. Now that they realized they goofed, they went back to Aldi and asked them to reconsider, and Aldi told them to go piss up a rope. So all of this could have been avoided had they taken Aldi's offer, but more than likely, they'd still find something to bitch about.

In the end, all of this is about the Penguins and the government not wanting to hand over a multi-million dollar check to them to do whatever they want (line their pockets). They could really care less about the supermarket or YMCA or housing - they want money. And kudos to all involved not giving into that particular demand.

83-Steelers-43
01-17-2008, 09:20 PM
:coffee: Gimme, gimme, gimme everything for free, we are owed......

Arena benefits talks continue amid optimism
Thursday, January 17, 2008
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Hill District representatives yesterday ended another round of negotiations with city and county officials with optimism about a community benefits agreement for their neighborhood.

"Today was an opportunity to wrestle with some of the more challenging issues that are part of the blueprint for a livable Hill," said Evan Frazier, chief negotiator with One Hill Coalition, the community organization representing Hill residents who want to share in benefits of the planned new arena.

"We didn't anticipate that this meeting would result in agreement. However, we are anticipating a meeting with the mayor and the chief executive in the coming days, before they leave."

Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato each are planning weeklong visits to Europe toward the end of the month.

"We've all agreed that before we come back to the table, they need to be there because their presence is required for real decision-making," Mr. Frazier said.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08017/849844-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-17-2008, 09:42 PM
"Ok folks it's time for the tie-breaker here on Family Feud, You can see there is only one answer on the board. If you guess you go on to play for 100,000 dollars."

"The Question is what does the One Hill Collation and the Hill District Do A Lot?"

Dynasty
01-17-2008, 10:13 PM
ooh lemme see... i can't decide between these choices:

bitching and moaning
wanting things they don't deserve
bitching and moaning

really any of the three (two) work.

83-Steelers-43
01-18-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm at the point now where I say just give these scumbags w/e they want just to shut them up. The city, state and the Penguins are already bending over and giving these 'hard working pillars of society' things that they are not owed in the first place, might as well just write them a check and say "here, have fun, STFU and leave us alone.".

It's just not worth it. Talking and holding a conversation is a waste of time. Just give them what they want. It's not like the media outlets are calling them out. It's not like Penguin fans are stepping up. God knows the race card will be pulled without hesitation if either group decides to speak up. Nothing new there. Same old, same old. It's a joke.

SteelCityMan786
01-18-2008, 04:39 PM
ooh lemme see... i can't decide between these choices:

bitching and moaning
wanting things they don't deserve
bitching and moaning

really any of the three (two) work.

Correct.

To the hill district

Maybe when you stop bitching and more of you get jobs, you'll get your way.

83-Steelers-43
01-21-2008, 02:47 PM
Demolition to begin to make room for new arena
By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, January 21, 2008

Demolition work is set to begin on the former St. Francis Central Hospital in the Hill District to make room for the Penguins' $290 million hockey arena, according to the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority.

SEA officials announced today they have hired demolition contractor Homrich Inc. of Carleton, Mich., to perform the work. Demolition is expected to take about four months to complete.

A news release from the authority said no permanent traffic pattern changes, lane closings or utility outages are expected in the 1200 block of Centre Avenue, where the 10-story building stands. Nearby sidewalks could be closed for safety reasons.

Workers likely will use an ultra-high-reach excavator to perform the work. The cost of the demolition work was not available today.

SEA Executive Director Mary Conturo could not immediately be reached for comment.

So far the SEA has demolished 12 buildings to make room on the arena site. The hospital is the largest building to be demolished. A 500-car parking garage will be built on part of the former hospital's land.

The Penguins plan to open the 18,500-seat arena in time for the 2010-11 hockey season.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_548533.html

SteelCityMan786
01-21-2008, 02:49 PM
Demolition to begin to make room for new arena
By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, January 21, 2008

Demolition work is set to begin on the former St. Francis Central Hospital in the Hill District to make room for the Penguins' $290 million hockey arena, according to the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority.

SEA officials announced today they have hired demolition contractor Homrich Inc. of Carleton, Mich., to perform the work. Demolition is expected to take about four months to complete.

A news release from the authority said no permanent traffic pattern changes, lane closings or utility outages are expected in the 1200 block of Centre Avenue, where the 10-story building stands. Nearby sidewalks could be closed for safety reasons.

Workers likely will use an ultra-high-reach excavator to perform the work. The cost of the demolition work was not available today.

SEA Executive Director Mary Conturo could not immediately be reached for comment.

So far the SEA has demolished 12 buildings to make room on the arena site. The hospital is the largest building to be demolished. A 500-car parking garage will be built on part of the former hospital's land.

The Penguins plan to open the 18,500-seat arena in time for the 2010-11 hockey season.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_548533.html

When do they hit the lever for the wrecking ball?

Pittsburghfan
01-21-2008, 04:47 PM
Does anyone have the final sketches of the arena?

SteelCityMan786
01-21-2008, 05:09 PM
http://www.arenadigest.com/images/new_pittsburgh/new_pittsburgh_2.jpg

SteelCityMan786
01-24-2008, 05:51 PM
According to the interview from David Morehouse on sportsbeat, we're on track to see the construction start in June or July.

83-Steelers-43
01-29-2008, 09:25 AM
Hope it comes with a National Guard attachment....

Save-A-Lot confirms interest in Hill District grocery
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Officials of a St. Louis-based grocery chain confirmed today that they are interested in locating a store in the Hill District, which a city neighborhood that has long sought a full-service grocer.

But officials from Save-A-Lot said during a breakfast meeting at Station Square that the process is still very preliminary.

The company is reviewing "multiple" sites, but a map distributed at the meeting indicated a possible candidate is at Centre Avenue and Heldman Street.

Save-A-Lot, which has several stores in the region and distributes food to Shop 'n Save and Foodland stores, typically builds $3 million groceries with about 15,000 square feet and 20 to 25 employees, officials said today.

It has not decided on how it would finance a Hill store.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08029/853048-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-29-2008, 03:52 PM
The Hill is prepping their bags.

83-Steelers-43
01-30-2008, 10:30 AM
:blah::blah::blah:

Hill District group presses Penguins to rejoin talks
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Hill District group is urging the Penguins to return to the bargaining table to help complete a deal for a community benefits agreement related to the arena construction.

The One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition sent a letter to Penguins President David Morehouse last week asking that the team rejoin Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato in the negotiations. The team had been involved in the talks early on but has left much of the negotiating to city and county officials in recent weeks.

"As we get closer to an agreement, the One Hill coalition feels that it would be productive to have the Penguins back at the table since the CBA is sparked by the development of the new hockey arena and because the Penguins will also be overseeing the development of the ancillary 28 acres," wrote Carl Redwood, chair of the One Hill group.

According to One Hill, the Penguins have yet to respond formally to the letter but have indicated they are committed to continuing the negotiations.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08030/853304-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
01-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Appears to be business as usual again. :coffee:

83-Steelers-43
01-30-2008, 09:01 PM
According to the interview from David Morehouse on sportsbeat, we're on track to see the construction start in June or July.

Pretty cool stuff.

The arena cam....

http://penguins.nhl.com/fanzone/arena_cam.htm

SteelCityMan786
01-30-2008, 09:24 PM
I saw that when they started it. I hope to see more buildings going down with some steel beams being driven into the ground soon.

83-Steelers-43
01-31-2008, 10:18 AM
It seems I passed up this little gem....

Hill leaders to take arena concerns to city school board
Wednesday, January 23, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Their push for neighborhood benefits stalled, Hill District leaders plan to take their arena concerns to the Pittsburgh Public Schools and City Council, starting with a bid tonight to keep the Penguins out of the middle schools.

City school board member Mark Brentley Sr., who represents the Hill and supports neighborhood demands, said he wants to postpone a vote set for tonight's board meeting on a Penguins' plan to have team officials and staff talk with students about career choices.

"My concern is the timing," Mr. Brentley said yesterday. He said he didn't want to create the impression "that we're aiding one party or another party" in the contentious talks.

The move comes as negotiations toward a community benefits agreement, or CBA, appear to have slowed. The One Hill Community Benefits Coalition wants development funding, first dibs on jobs for Hill residents, a grocery store and community center, more park space and input into a neighborhoodwide plan as conditions for building the arena there.

Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said on Jan. 14 that One Hill, the city and Allegheny County were "90 percent of the way there." Yesterday, though, both sides said a deal was weeks away, in part because the mayor and county Chief Executive Dan Onorato will be in Europe for most of the rest of the month on a marketing trip.

Mr. Onorato's spokesman said talks can continue in the leaders' absence.

"Nothing is scheduled," said Carl Redwood, leader of One Hill. "In my estimation, I can't see anything happening for a few weeks now."

"This agreement is something that's going to be used and referred to for decades and decades, so we want to make sure it's done right," said Mr. Ravenstahl.

One Hill will meet Monday at 6 p.m. at the Hill House to plot a strategy to win an agreement, said Mr. Redwood.

Tonight's flash point is a resolution allowing the Penguins to send staff into nine schools to talk about the tie between education and jobs. Some of the presentations are to be conducted by Ron Porter, a senior consultant for the team who has been its public voice on the CBA issue.

"It just doesn't look so good," said Mr. Brentley, adding that he backs "the Penguins and their involvement in our community. ... You could've done this in the beginning of the school year, or in the beginning of the hockey season."

The proposal "has nothing to do with arena negotiations," said team spokesman Tom McMillan. "We think it's a great program for our employees to reach out to kids in the middle schools, and we hope they will pass it."

One Hill didn't strenuously oppose a Jan. 14 city planning commission vote on the arena master plan, which passed 5-3. The coalition, though, will "oppose all arena construction activity until we have an agreement," said Mr. Redwood.

Mr. McMillan said the team intends to start excavation and foundation work in late spring, and building in early summer.

"I firmly believe we'll have an agreement before construction begins," said Mr. Ravenstahl.

One Hill has submitted 45 petition signatures demanding a City Council hearing on community benefits and is weighing when to have the hearing. Council has no role in arena approvals, but could apply public pressure.

"I see [an agreement] happening," said Councilwoman Tonya Payne, who represents the Hill. "There's no turning back."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08023/851342-53.stm

83-Steelers-43
01-31-2008, 10:28 AM
starting with a bid tonight to keep the Penguins out of the middle schools.

From what I'm reading, these stand up citizens are basically stating that they do not want Penguin players (the same ones who handed out turkeys on TG) to come into their schools and preach good work ethic while stressing the importance of education and getting good jobs?

I guess they would rather that type of stuff be preached to their kids by the local crack dealers on centre avenue? Apparently parenting is not working or doesn't exist to begin with. Wow, it's no wonder. Oh that's right, I shouldn't say that, it's everybody elses fault.

Unbelievable. I've heard everything at this point.

MarylandSteeler
01-31-2008, 10:46 AM
The coalition is afraid that if their children hear the truth about what the Penguins and the city are trying to do for them, that the children will know that their parents are just trying to get every penny they can from the city and the penguins. Then they might look bad, ohh wait the coalition already does becuase of what they are trying to do.

83-Steelers-43
01-31-2008, 10:57 AM
The coalition is afraid that if their children hear the truth

Since when do they care about their children?

These are the same people who want the schoolboards to deny the Penguins from entering schools and preaching work ethic, job opportunities and education. It's pathetic and no wonder.

Why do that when you can teach...

*Put out hand*

"I am owed". This one is key. This is the starting point.

"Give me". Demand first.

"If you don't, I will threaten you". Last resort, but it works.

There is always the option of having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton visit your local town or city. That option always works.

Hey, it seems to be working just fine with this situation......and many others. :coffee:

83-Steelers-43
02-04-2008, 06:08 PM
The Penguins have pissed them off.....lol....

One Hill Coalition Voices Concern Over Arena, Hill District Talks

POSTED: 5:39 pm EST February 4, 2008
UPDATED: 6:21 pm EST February 4, 2008

PITTSBURGH -- The One Hill Coalition was at Monday's Sports and Exhibition Authority meeting, calling for support of the new community benefits agreement as part of the Penguins arena plan in the Hill District.

One Hill, once bouncing with encouragement, believing it was establishing a partnership to make the Hill District part of the master plan for the new hockey arena, was anything but on Monday. The group said it feels like the city and county are sending token representation to meetings and therefore keeping the process stuck in neutral.

"We're being toyed with," said Carl Redwood of the OHC. "People come to meetings but not in a serious manner, and nothing is connected to the citizens in the Hill District community."

"When I send representatives, my chief of staff, that's like me talking," said Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato. "I'm not sending some interns. I'm sending chiefs of staffs."

"To say we're not getting things done is not fair," said Mayor Luke Ravenstahl. "We've been meeting, and we will continue to meet, and hopefully we'll see more progress."

One Hill said the one entity that will have a loud voice in the master plan is the one group consistently absent from meetings.

"We made some progress, but we need to have the Penguins at the table if we're going to make this work," said Redwood.

Follow link for video of the B&M'ing: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/15216097/detail.html

SteelCityMan786
02-04-2008, 06:08 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_550764.html

Hill residents say they feel 'toyed with'
By Jeremy Boren
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, February 4, 2008

Pittsburgh and Allegheny County officials have "toyed with" Hill District residents seeking the promise jobs, housing and businesses for the Hill before work begins on a $290 million Penguins hockey arena, a top Hill activist said Monday.

"We feel that in some ways community members are being toyed with in this process where people come to the table but not in a serious manner, and you're just going to string us (along)," said Carl Redwood Jr., chairman of the One Hill Community Benefits Coalition.

Redwood appeared before members of the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority during a public meeting today to ask the agency to stop demolition, land purchases and other preparations for the arena until his group and local officials sign a legally binding community benefits agreement.

SEA board members refused.

They voted unanimously to pay $40,000 for a 60-day option on three vacant buildings along Fifth Avenue. The buildings used to be the offices of the Central Blood Bank. The site could serve as a relocation site for the Beth Hamerdrash Hagodal Synagogue, which sits on land to be used for the new arena.

If negotiations between the congregation and the SEA produce an agreement on the relocation site, the synagogue would have the option to pay $1.5 million for the land, where a new synagogue would be built.

Other details such as how much the SEA will pay to buy and demolish the existing synagogue haven't been worked out, said Mary Conturo, SEA executive director.

Conturo said she understands Redwood's concerns but said that progress, such as relocating the synagogue, must continue on the arena if it is to open in time for the 2010-11 hockey season.

"We are continuing to work on the community benefits agreement with the city and the county," Conturo said. "We will continue to do that until it's done."

The Hill District group wants the agreement to guarantee arena jobs to Hill District residents, earmark money to develop a grocery store and ensure a "living wage" for those who work in businesses the Penguins develop on 28 acres around the arena.

SteelCityMan786
02-04-2008, 06:10 PM
The hill is at it again :blah:

83-Steelers-43
02-04-2008, 07:17 PM
"We feel that in some ways community members are being toyed with in this process where people come to the table but not in a serious manner, and you're just going to string us (along)," said Carl Redwood Jr., chairman of the One Hill Community Benefits Coalition.

You should feel lucky that the One Hill Coalitition is even being acknowledged in the first place. I would have laughed in your faces a LONG time ago. Right around the time you were on Barden's nuts. If I recall correctly, Ravenstahl and Onorato have been out of the country. Settle down and have patience, you will get your handouts.

Redwood appeared before members of the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority during a public meeting today to ask the agency to stop demolition, land purchases and other preparations for the arena until his group and local officials sign a legally binding community benefits agreement.

SEA board members refused.

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

Yeah, sure buddy, they are going to stop demolition because you want your freebies in life. Complete morons.

SteelCityMan786
02-05-2008, 03:45 PM
Yep, they really are :rofl:

83-Steelers-43
02-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Yep, they really are :rofl:

Rite-Aid is building a store down the street from me, I think I'm going to picket and cause commotion for the construction workers (people who actually work) because they are not breaking me off a piece of the pie. I also want a job guarantee. I'm owed it.

Did Carl Redwood Jr., the chairman (that's funny) of the One Hill Coalition actually think the city was going to stop demolition? I'm still trying to figure out why this bum isn't on the phone with Don Barden even though I have a good idea.

I can't wait until that arena is built and this situation is over and done with. Those morons are giving this city a bad name. You want a job? Go out and get one. You want a grocery store? Save up money and build one just like everybody else does. You want a recreation center? Open one up yourself.

SteelCityMan786
02-07-2008, 06:43 PM
Rite-Aid is building a store down the street from me, I think I'm going to picket and cause commotion for the construction workers (people who actually work) because they are not breaking me off a piece of the pie. I also want a job guarantee. I'm owed it.

Did Carl Redwood Jr., the chairman (that's funny) of the One Hill Coalition actually think the city was going to stop demolition? I'm still trying to figure out why this bum isn't on the phone with Don Barden even though I have a good idea.

I can't wait until that arena is built and this situation is over and done with. Those morons are giving this city a bad name. You want a job? Go out and get one. You want a grocery store? Save up money and build one just like everybody else does. You want a recreation center? Open one up yourself.

If only they had our level of logic

83-Steelers-43
02-08-2008, 09:04 AM
:jammin:

Demolition closing 2 Hill District streets tonight
Friday, February 08, 2008
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Centre Avenue eastbound and Colwell Street between Washington Place and Crawford Street, Uptown, will be temporarily closed tonight for the demolition of the 10-story tower portion of the former St. Francis Central Hospital.

The streets will be closed starting at 7:30 p.m. and will reopen when demolition work is finished, which is not expected to be past midnight. The site will be part of the Penguins' new arena.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08039/855783-147.stm

And in other news, crack sales are expected to drop tonight starting at 7:30. :thumbsup:

SteelCityMan786
02-08-2008, 02:38 PM
DOWN YA GO HOSPITAL!

SteelCityMan786
02-08-2008, 09:32 PM
From KDKA on CW News, apparantly there are issues with one of the columns they're trying to pull down

Borski
02-08-2008, 10:09 PM
Is there any place I can find a picture or video of the demolition, I wanna see exactly the city looks like with all these buildings going down.

SteelCityMan786
02-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Is there any place I can find a picture or video of the demolition, I wanna see exactly the city looks like with all these buildings going down.

Go to the Penguins website, Fan Zone, Arena Construction Cam(Something like that)

Borski
02-08-2008, 10:47 PM
Go to the Penguins website, Fan Zone, Arena Construction Cam(Something like that)

Ah, pretty cool. I'll have to check back in the daytime though cause I can't really tell whats going on.

fansince'76
02-09-2008, 08:37 AM
Go to the Penguins website, Fan Zone, Arena Construction Cam(Something like that)

Yep - here is a direct link to it (updates every 60 seconds):

Arena Webcam (http://penguins.nhl.com/ext/html/webcam4.html)

83-Steelers-43
02-09-2008, 08:42 AM
Stubborn St. Francis Won't Go Down Easily

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ― Demolition crews planned to tear down the former St. Francis Hospital in the Hill District to make way for the new multipurpose arena, but the building isn't going down without a fight.

The Sports and Exhibition Authority decided not to use explosives to demolish the building.

Instead, crews are severing the columns, wrapping each of them with a big thick cable, then tugging on the cable with an excavator.

The columns are supposed to come down one by one and theoretically, the building should fall eventually.

The excavator pulled out the first beam, but the second one wouldn't budge.

After breaking two cables, crews decided to give up on the stubborn column and planned to try pulling on the other side of the building.

Also, the excavator couldn't get any traction on the other side because of mud.

Story clip: http://kdka.com/local/St.Francis.Arena.2.649757.html

SteelCityMan786
02-09-2008, 11:12 AM
I don't understand why not just implode the whole thing.

steelpride12
02-09-2008, 11:54 AM
I don't understand why not just implode the whole thing.

Because the whole Hill District is having a baby over the fact of taking down an OLD hospital.
Well to bad because that place is coming down and that arena will be there like it or not so shut the hell up! :wave:

SteelCityMan786
02-09-2008, 12:49 PM
Because the whole Hill District is having a baby over the fact of taking down an OLD hospital.
Well to bad because that place is coming down and that arena will be there like it or not so shut the hell up! :wave:

Uhhhh what he said!

SteelCityMan786
02-10-2008, 04:08 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_551671.html

Former St. Francis Central Hospital shows its mettle
By Andrew Conte
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, February 10, 2008

Uptown's former St. Francis Central Hospital building has turned out to be more resilient than anyone expected.

Demolition crews had planned to pull down the structure Friday night to make way for a new hockey arena that's going to be built across Centre Avenue from Mellon Arena. Workers have gutted much of the building in recent weeks.

When crews hooked cables up to the structure's exposed steel beams and started to pull, the cables snapped because they were either not strong enough or became twisted, said an official on Saturday with the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, which owns the building and hired the demolition company.

With hockey games scheduled for Mellon Arena yesterday and today, workers planned to put off another attempt until next week at the earliest, said Doug Straley, the authority's development manager.

"The authority's going to review the plans over the weekend," he said.

In the meantime, the demolition company has issued a letter to the authority, saying the building does not pose a hazard, Straley said.

Authority officials announced in January that they had hired contractor Homrich Inc. of Carleton, Mich., for $868,000 to do the demolition, which is expected to last about four months.

The hospital closed its doors in 2000.

SteelCityMan786
02-10-2008, 04:09 PM
Man it's going to be dramatic waiting for the day it finally does come down.

83-Steelers-43
02-12-2008, 03:23 PM
LOL, they are holding a 'press conference'. I can't wait to hear what they have to say...:yawn::coffee:

Deadline nears for challenge to arena master plan
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition has scheduled a press conference for 1:30 p.m. tomorrow, which coincides with the deadline for challenging the City Planning Commission's approval of the master plan for a new arena.

One Hill spokeswoman Jennifer England would not say whether the coalition plans to appeal the master plan approval. "We're keeping all our options open," she said. "Nothing's been taken off the table."

One Hill wants guaranteed benefits to accrue to the Hill District as part of the development of a new arena to be built and operated by the Penguins.

There has been little progress in talks among the coalition, Allegheny County and the City of Pittsburgh since the Planning Commission appoved the master plan on Jan. 14. The city Urban Redevelopment Authority and the Penguins agreed to contribute $1 million each toward development of a grocery store in the neighborhood, but other demands remain unmet.

Pittsburgh City Council today scheduled a public hearing on the issue for March 5 at 1:30 p.m. in Council Chamber.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08043/856844-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
02-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Won't be stunned if they challenge. They won't stop whining till after they get want.

83-Steelers-43
02-12-2008, 03:41 PM
Won't be stunned if they challenge. They won't stop whining till after they get want.

Oh you better believe it. We are going to hear about this until the city and the Penguins are bent over and touching ankles.

IMO, I think the Penguins said "enough is enough". They are not dumb. They realize that they didn't have to give those people a cent to begin with, now they want more. At least the Penguins are showing they have a pair and not completely giving into this obvious and pathetic shakedown.

Ravenstahl and Onorato will keep close contact and give them what they are "owed" in life simply because they want the votes. When those two stooges take money out of my pocket and give it to the lazy arses up there, see if they get my vote.

SteelCityMan786
02-12-2008, 04:06 PM
Oh you better believe it. We are going to hear about this until the city and the Penguins are bent over and touching ankles.

IMO, I think the Penguins said "enough is enough". They are not dumb. They realize that they didn't have to give those people a cent to begin with, now they want more. At least the Penguins are showing they have a pair and not completely giving into this obvious and pathetic shakedown.

Ravenstahl and Onorato will keep close contact and give them what they are "owed" in life simply because they want the votes. When those two stooges take money out of my pocket and give it to the lazy arses up there, see if they get my vote.

Mario and Ron have some thick heads. They have a lot guts not to fall down to their level.

Can't say I'm not stunned Luke ended up re-elected considering past history with even getting a Republican elected Mayor.

83-Steelers-43
02-12-2008, 04:16 PM
Mario and Ron have some thick heads. They have a lot guts not to fall down to their level.

Can't say I'm not stunned Luke ended up re-elected considering past history with even getting a Republican elected Mayor.

I think you to have a thick head when it comes to doing business. That's if you can even call what is going on up there 'business'. More like a joke. The Penguins know that the offer put on the table is more than acceptable for the One Hill Coalition, but they want more it seems. Straight up cash to be pocketed and then blown to hell. Wasted money.

Personally, I was all for Mark DeSantis, but Ravenstahl won the vote before it even began. In this city, as long as a man has a "D" after his name, he can be mayor. It doesn't matter what he stands for or how capable he is when it comes to being mayor, he will win. That's how Pittsburgh has been since 1933.

83-Steelers-43
02-13-2008, 01:23 PM
And here they go.....:coffee:

Hill District group files appeal over new arena
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Hill District group filed an appeal today over city Planning Commission approval of a master plan for a new arena in its neighborhood.

The appeal is part of the group's fight for a community benefits agreement as part of the construction of the $290 million replacement for Mellon Arena.

In its appeal, the One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition, joined by four other groups, is asking a Common Pleas judge to vacate the commission's Jan. 14 approval of the master plan for the project and return the issue to the planning commission to address procedural and other issues.

Paul Ellis, an attorney for One Hill, said the appeal was not necessarily designed to block arena construction but was filed to "preserve our legal rights and keep our options open." Today was the last day an appeal could be filed.

"We remain optimistic that we can negotiate a CBA around the arena development that will be beneficial to the Hill, the city, the Penguins and our region," Mr. Ellis said.

Among the issues One Hill raises in the appeal is the absence of commission member Todd Reidbord for most of the Jan. 14 hearing while he attended a Pitt basketball game. He returned to vote in favor of the master plan "in spite of the fact that he failed to hear, and therefore could not consider, most of the public testimony," the appeal said.

One Hill also claimed the master plan did not provide adequate parking for the arena and failed to consider environmental and social impacts, particularly on the Hill District.

While the appeal does not seek to stop work at the arena site, Carl Redwood, the coalition's chairman, said the group will do everything in its power to stop construction absent a benefits agreement.

One Hill representatives were meeting with Pittsburgh and Allegheny County officials today to continue talks on an agreement. The group is seeking a grocery store, a percentage of arena jobs and construction jobs, and a community investment fund, among other items.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08044/857108-100.stm

SteelCityMan786
02-13-2008, 02:52 PM
I'm not stunned in any way whatsoever over this.. The hill needs to stop bitching about the stuff that went on when Mellon Arena and now the new one. NEWSFLASH: If your elected officials suck in your opinion, vote them out when their term is up.

83-Steelers-43
02-13-2008, 04:13 PM
This just keeps getting better and better....

One Hill also claimed the master plan did not provide adequate parking for the arena and failed to consider environmental and social impacts, particularly on the Hill District.

Enviromental impact? Drive through that area and you see crack houses, garbage all over the damn place, syringes and heroin stamp bags discarded on the streets and old furniture and refrigerators dumped into empty lots.

Now all of a sudden they care about the enviroment? Riiiight. Keep working every angle right? Who the **** are they trying to kid? :toofunny:

SteelCityMan786
02-13-2008, 04:21 PM
This just keeps getting better and better....



Enviromental impact? Drive through that area and you see crack houses, garbage all over the damn place, syringes and heroin stamp bags discarded on the streets and old furniture and refrigerators dumped into empty lots.

Now all of a sudden they care about the enviroment? Riiiight. Keep working every angle right? Who the **** are they trying to kid? :toofunny:

whoever it is, they're failing miserably.

83-Steelers-43
02-15-2008, 12:59 PM
Here they go. Taking it to court now...... :yawn:

Hill group goes to court against arena
Appeal comes as part of dispute over community benefits agreement
Thursday, February 14, 2008
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Hill District group is headed to court in its battle over a community benefits agreement related to the new hockey arena.

The One Hill Community Benefits Agreement Coalition, joined by four other groups, filed an appeal yesterday challenging the city planning commission's Jan. 14 approval of a master plan for the $290 million arena.

Paul Ellis, an attorney for One Hill, said the appeal was not necessarily designed to block arena construction, but was filed to "preserve our legal rights and keep our options open." Yesterday was the deadline for filing an appeal.

"We remain optimistic that we can negotiate a CBA around the Penguins' arena development that will be beneficial to the Hill, the city, the Penguins and our region," he said.

Still, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato, both of whom are leading the talks over a CBA, expressed disappointment with the decision.

"Both sides have agreed to continue to negotiate in good faith, and to try to derail that process with a lawsuit, I think, is unfortunate," Mr. Ravenstahl said.

The appeal came the same day One Hill officials met with representatives of the city, county and the Sports & Exhibition Authority to continue talks over a CBA. Mr. Ravenstahl said he would express "some frustration" to the group over the appeal.

"My definition of good-faith negotiation is a two-sided part of the equation, and I would hope they would realize and appreciate what we've done," he said.

Mr. Onorato was "very disappointed" an appeal was filed, spokesman Kevin Evanto said.

"He feels that we are close to a community benefits agreement ... and that there are only a few issues left to resolve," he said.

The Penguins, who will build and operate the new arena, declined comment.

Given that the neighborhood will host the new arena, Hill leaders are pushing for a community benefits agreement that will give residents a first crack at jobs, a long-sought grocery store and community center, more park space and input into a redevelopment plan.

Two big obstacles in the talks have been demands for a neighborhood-controlled development fund and unionization neutrality agreements for Penguins-controlled developments near the arena.

While Mr. Ellis stressed that the appeal in itself was not intended to delay the arena construction, Carl Redwood, chairman of the One Hill Coalition, said that doesn't mean the group won't go that route at some point.

"The One Hill Coalition is very clear that this project will not proceed unless there's a community benefits agreement," he said.

Among the issues One Hill raised in its appeal was the absence of commission member Todd Reidbord for much of the Jan. 14 hearing while he attended a University of Pittsburgh basketball game. He returned to vote in favor of the plan "in spite of the fact that he failed to hear, and therefore could not consider, most of the public testimony," the appeal stated.

Commission Chairwoman Wrenna Watson said Mr. Reidbord was present for all of an earlier hearing Dec. 11 where the master plan and CBA were discussed. She said much of the testimony at the Jan. 14 hearing was repetitive.

"So he really did have the information to make an informed decision," she said.

In the appeal, One Hill also charged that there "appeared to be unusual pressure to rush [the master plan] to a vote," given that the commission refused requests for a delay and refused to allow testimony on Jan. 14 from anyone who had spoken on Dec. 11.

It also argued that the master plan did not provide adequate parking for the arena and failed to consider environmental and social impacts, particularly to the Hill.

Nonetheless, Ms. Watson believes the commission will prevail.

"You never know which way an appeal will be decided but I feel personally that the board made a good decision, that they made their decision based on the criteria in the zoning code. From that perspective, we should be OK," she said.

Joining One Hill in the appeal were the Hill District Consensus Group, Preservation Pittsburgh, the Black Political Empowerment Project and Pittsburgh United.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08045/857324-52.stm

83-Steelers-43
02-15-2008, 01:09 PM
preserve our legal rights

Your "legal rights"? To what, shake down the city, the Penguins and people who actually work for a living?

Paul Ellis, an attorney for One Hill, said the appeal was not necessarily designed to block arena construction

Yeah, you people already tried that angle and you were laughed at by the SEA, remember?

"The One Hill Coalition is very clear that this project will not proceed unless there's a community benefits agreement," he said.

I love how they continue to call it "community benefits". That's cute.

Joining One Hill in the appeal were the Hill District Consensus Group, Preservation Pittsburgh, the Black Political Empowerment Project

Now there's a real shocker. It's not like I didn't see that one coming. Keep up those great reputations. P.O.S. :rolleyes:

SteelCityMan786
02-15-2008, 05:03 PM
HEY HILL DISTRICT, THE JUDGE JUST CALLED! YOU'VE ALREADY LOST!

:fingers::fingers::fingers:

Borski
02-15-2008, 09:44 PM
Is there a date set for the demolition of St. Francis Central Hospital? I tryed googling it but couldn't find one.

83-Steelers-43
02-16-2008, 06:01 AM
Is there a date set for the demolition of St. Francis Central Hospital? I tryed googling it but couldn't find one.

They tried once already on Feb. 8 and failed. They were going to try again this past Tuesday, but it's still standing.

They should just use explosives to bring the damn thing down instead of snapping cable wires.

SteelCityMan786
02-16-2008, 09:21 AM
They tried once already on Feb. 8 and failed. They were going to try again this past Tuesday, but it's still standing.

They should just use explosives to bring the damn thing down instead of snapping cable wires.

I just thought why didn't they do that in the first place. Right now they could be cleaning up rubble.

83-Steelers-43
02-16-2008, 10:17 AM
I just thought why didn't they do that in the first place. Right now they could be cleaning up rubble.

The Penguins should ask the One Hill Coalition to go inside the building and pull it down by hand. Kill two birds with one stone for the city, the Penguins and the people who actually work for what they get in life. :wink02:

SteelCityMan786
02-16-2008, 10:42 AM
The Penguins should ask the One Hill Coalition to go inside the building and pull it down by hand. Kill two birds with one stone for the city, the Penguins and the people who actually work for what they get in life. :wink02:

Well aren't you nice 83? :sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
02-16-2008, 10:45 AM
Well aren't you nice 83? :sofunny:

Hey, they said they wanted jobs with no questions asked!!! :banana:

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