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83-Steelers-43
03-06-2007, 12:41 PM
I know it's not Anna Nicole Smith, but it's kinda important....

Jury in I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby Guilty on Four of Five Counts in CIA Leak Trial
Tuesday, March 06, 2007

WASHINGTON — Former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was found guilty Tuesday of four of five counts of perjury, lying to the FBI and obstructing an investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

Libby was found not guilty on count three, which was the subject of late questioning Monday by the 11 jurors. The jury reached a verdict on the 10th day of deliberations and just hours after they had received an answer to a three-part question about count three, which alleges that Libby lied to the FBI about a conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper.

Defense attorney Ted Wells said he was very disappointed in the verdict.

"Despite our disappointment in the jurors' verdict, we believe in the American justice system and we believe in the jury system. We intend to file a motion for a new trial and if that is denied, we will appeal the conviction, and we have every confidence that ultimately Mr. Libby will be vindicated," he said.

"We believe, as we said at the time of the indictment, that he is totally innocent, totally innocent and that he did not do anything wrong," Wells continued.

The guilty verdicts on four charges means Libby faces a combined penalty of up to 25 years in prison. Federal sentencing guidelines call for a shorter sentence. Walking out of the courtroom, Libby's face was expressionless. His wife's eyes were red and puffy after sobbing in the courtroom. He face was also flushed.

The jury was released shortly after noon. Judge Reggie Walton expressed his gratitude to the panel for its service.

"I would like to publicly thank you for all the time you have given to the case. We know it is an inconvenience. I can't say I have seen a better group of jurors ... (your work) epitomizes what our judicial system is supposed to be about," Walton said.

The 11-member jury was made up of seven females and four males. One female juror was dropped from the jury during the third day of deliberations after she claimed to have a conflict of interest. The 12th juror was not replaced by an alternate.

Libby was accused of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to FBI agents and the grand jury about how he learned about Valerie Plame's identity and whom he told. Plame is the CIA employee whose husband, Amb. Joe Wilson, was sent to Niger by the agency to investigate claims that Iraq had tried to buy yellowcake uranium.

Wilson became a vocal critic of the Bush administration for using bad intelligence to justify the attack on Iraq. Libby and others, including President Bush aide Karl Rove, were implicated for trying to out Plame in retaliation for Wilson's criticism.

Jurors heard 19 witnesses during the five-week trial, but Libby was not called to the stand. Among the witnesses testifying were journalists Cooper, Tim Russert of NBC and Judy Miller of The New York Times. Miller spent 85 days in jail so as not to reveal her source. She testified for the prosecution, led by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.

Long after the investigation began, it was revealed that Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, an administration member who opposed the war, was the first to leak Plame's name to the media. Armitage was never charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which punishes those who out secret agents.

In fact, the court never determined nor did it allow any evidence in Libby's trial about whether Plame was undercover or not and whether Libby violated the IIPA. Questions about Libby's motive were tested by the assertion that he had no reason to lie if Plame was represented to him as an analyst, he never knew she was undercover nor had reason to lie about his knowledge of her role in sending Wilson to Niger.

Democrats who have long been critics of the administration applauded the jury's decision.

"It's about time someone in the Bush administration has been held accountable for the campaign to manipulate intelligence and discredit war critics," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. "Lewis Libby has been convicted of perjury, but his trial revealed deeper truths about Vice President Cheney's role in this sordid affair. Now President Bush must pledge not to pardon Libby for his criminal conduct."

"The jury has spoken," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Plame and her husband have since left government and are in the process of developing a movie about the case with Warner Bros. and producer Jerry Zucker. Plame also has a $2 million book deal if the CIA ever permits her to publish her story.

After completing their ninth day of deliberations without a verdict Monday, jurors passed U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton three questions. All related to what Libby told the FBI regarding his 2003 telephone conversation with Cooper about Plame.

Cooper says Libby confirmed that Plame worked at the CIA. Libby told FBI agents that he only told Cooper he'd heard about Plame from other reporters but didn't know for sure whether she worked at the CIA.

In their questions, which were released Tuesday morning, jurors seemed confused about what Fitzgerald was alleging.

Were prosecutors saying Libby knew that Plame worked for the CIA by the time of his FBI interview, jurors asked, or does the government believe Libby's account of the Cooper conversation was untrue?

"To be clear, Mr. Libby is charged in count three with making a false statement to the FBI about what was said during his July 12, 2003, conversation with Mr. Cooper. Mr. Libby is not charged with making a false statement to Mr. Cooper. ... To be clear, count three does not allege, nor does the prosecution contend, that Mr. Libby told the FBI that, at the time of his FBI interviews, he did not know that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA," Walton responded to one of the jury questions.

FOX News' Jim Angle and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256965,00.html

tony hipchest
03-06-2007, 01:09 PM
so what this is saying is that libby is another potential father of annas baby?

83-Steelers-43
03-06-2007, 01:11 PM
so what this is saying is that libby is another potential father of annas baby?

:flap:

At this point and with that woman, nothing would surprise me. Then again, with her it's either age 40 and lower or age 80 and above for the money grab, there's no in between. So I don't think it's Scooter (57 yo). Next!

Suitanim
03-06-2007, 04:37 PM
The Democrats will take Libby, but they wanted Cheney.

Stlrs4Life
03-06-2007, 05:10 PM
The Democrats will take Libby, but they wanted Cheney.

True, they should follow through and get him also.

Suitanim
03-06-2007, 05:16 PM
Hey, if you're on a witch hunt, why not?

Stlrs4Life
03-06-2007, 05:52 PM
I'm not on any witchunt. If the tables were turned you know what would happen though. God forbid if this was Al Gore 8 years ago.

Suitanim
03-06-2007, 05:58 PM
If the tables were turned? If the tables were turned the media wouldn't be involved.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-06-2007, 06:04 PM
OUTSTANDING.....................
you have to admit that the republican party screw alot of things up....

Just another reason George Bush goes down as the WORSE president in the history of the UNITED STATES...

fansince'76
03-06-2007, 06:13 PM
OUTSTANDING.....................
you have to admit that the republican party screw alot of things up....

Granted - just don't bitch when your federal taxes go up. The only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that at least the Republicans don't pretend to give a rat's ass about the little guy.

SteelShooter
03-06-2007, 06:15 PM
OUTSTANDING.....................
you have to admit that the republican party screw alot of things up....

Just another reason George Bush goes down as the WORSE president in the history of the UNITED STATES...



Pfffffffffffffffttt!!!!!!!

SteelShooter
03-06-2007, 06:16 PM
Granted - just don't bitch when your federal taxes go up. The only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that at least the Republicans don't pretend to give a rat's ass about the little guy.

Ya darned tootin'! :thumbsup:

SteelCityMan786
03-06-2007, 07:11 PM
OUTSTANDING.....................
you have to admit that the republican party screw alot of things up....

Just another reason George Bush goes down as the WORSE president in the history of the UNITED STATES...

The Democrats screw a lot of things up to. They're just as responsible for the things that are going on in this country as the Republicans are.

Suitanim
03-06-2007, 07:42 PM
Here's what I don't get...I work hard. I went to college and worked a couple jobs while I did so. I worked hard after college, and had some shitty jobs where I worked long, long hours for bad pay.

Why do I have to pay for everyone else now that I make good money? I never took a single cent of help while I was poor.

Leave me alone. Stop taxing me at 40% just because I worked for what I got. STOP!

After you stop taxing me to death, then we can talk about the issues...

Stlrs4Life
03-06-2007, 08:30 PM
If the tables were turned? If the tables were turned the media wouldn't be involved.


Whatever.:yawn:

Stlrs4Life
03-06-2007, 08:33 PM
Here's what I don't get...I work hard. I went to college and worked a couple jobs while I did so. I worked hard after college, and had some shitty jobs where I worked long, long hours for bad pay.

Why do I have to pay for everyone else now that I make good money? I never took a single cent of help while I was poor.

Leave me alone. Stop taxing me at 40% just because I worked for what I got. STOP!

After you stop taxing me to death, then we can talk about the issues...



Yeah, all colleges are free, and there is all kinds of jobs out there everywhere. Not every person is as fortunate as everybody else. And I work just like you guys. You guys act like Taxes are a new thing.

Stlrs4Life
03-06-2007, 08:38 PM
Republicans don't pretend to give a rat's ass about the little guy.



You're right, they don't pretend, because they don't care at all. You guys sound like little Rush Limbaughs.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-06-2007, 09:50 PM
something we can all agree on for a moment.

STEELERS ARE FREAK'IN AWESOME!!

fansince'76
03-06-2007, 10:59 PM
You're right, they don't pretend, because they don't care at all. You guys sound like little Rush Limbaughs.

And people like Kerry and Gore do care about the little guy? Not. One party is just as bad as the other. And why do I say that? Simple - this country's political process has by and large been hijacked by well-heeled lobbyists for special interest groups. If you want your voice to matter nowadays you have to buy your way in, because every last member of Congress is essentially a prostitute to some degree. Influence peddling happens on both sides of the aisle, whether you want to see it or not. I think something that would go a long way towards fixing that problem would be a maximum lifetime limit of two terms for both representatives and senators. I don't think George, Benjamin, Thomas and the rest of the boys had people like Thurmond and Kennedy occupying Congressional seats for 40-50 years in mind when they put it all together back in the late 18th century. For the record, I'm an Independent, by the way.

tony hipchest
03-06-2007, 11:23 PM
i heard thurmond or t. kennedy might be the father of anna's baby.

it makes sense

:jerkit:

MasterOfPuppets
03-07-2007, 12:04 AM
Granted - just don't bitch when your federal taxes go up. The only difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that at least the Republicans don't pretend to give a rat's ass about the little guy.


somebodys gotta pay for bush's military excurshions....hasn't iraq already cost the taxpayers 400+ billion??? :jawdrop:

fansince'76
03-07-2007, 12:06 AM
Yeah, all colleges are free, and there is all kinds of jobs out there everywhere. Not every person is as fortunate as everybody else. And I work just like you guys. You guys act like Taxes are a new thing.

Lower taxes = stimulated investments. Stimulated investments = job creation. Job creation = more tax revenue generated, more than making up for the shortfall by lowering the tax rate to begin with. I don't have a problem with taxes - I do have a problem with alot of things taxes are spent on. Hospital care for illegal immigrants is paid by whom, exactly? The taxpayer. However, uninsured American citizens are being turned away from the same hospitals and being told they're shit out of luck without a Blue Cross card. That kinda pisses me off.

tony hipchest
03-07-2007, 12:25 AM
anna and teddy k's baby will be the first female president and will pull the troops out of iraq.

fansince'76
03-07-2007, 12:27 AM
anna and teddy k's baby will be the first female president and will pull the troops out of iraq.

And solve the global warming problem singlehandedly. And end world poverty and hunger. And successfully negotiate global nuclear disarmament. :toofunny:

tony hipchest
03-07-2007, 12:40 AM
And solve the global warming problem singlehandedly. once rosie odonnell is hooked on trim spa and all passing of the gas is eliminated.

all the rest is up to tom bradys child though (assuming brad and jolie's adoption goes through)

fansince'76
03-07-2007, 12:45 AM
once rosie odonnell is hooked on trim spa and all passing of the gas is eliminated.

all the rest is up to tom bradys child though (assuming brad and jolie's adoption goes through)

Nah, the kid won't be born Namibian, so "Brangelina" won't be adopting him/her. :sofunny:

MACH1
03-07-2007, 12:57 AM
once rosie odonnell is hooked on trim spa and all passing of the gas is eliminated.

all the rest is up to tom bradys child though (assuming brad and jolie's adoption goes through)

What are they going to name it? Peyton , works for boy or girl. :chuckle:

fansince'76
03-07-2007, 01:10 AM
somebodys gotta pay for bush's military excurshions....hasn't iraq already cost the taxpayers 400+ billion??? :jawdrop:

Here's an idea - let's bill Halliburton and Michael Moore for it - they've made more money off it than anybody else, after all.

Preacher
03-07-2007, 02:51 AM
The real problem with the political system???

Here is the real problem. The American Press... and MASSIVE POLITICAL MACHINES.

Most of the people on this board would be honest politicians. Most of the people on this board, while disagreeing with others, would be honest with the other people's political principles. Most of the people on this board would also be treat others with respect.

That is why most of the people on this board would get ripped apart by the press and the political machines called PACs... UNIONS... DNC... RNC... Etc.etc.

They ALL are ruining American politics. Period.

What people does that leave for politics... IN EITHER PARTY??? Well... take a look at our govt... Dems and Repubs ALIKE.

Mosca
03-07-2007, 09:05 AM
Lower taxes = stimulated investments. Stimulated investments = job creation. Job creation = more tax revenue generated, more than making up for the shortfall by lowering the tax rate to begin with.


I don't know about anyone else, but I spent my tax cuts on higher gas prices, higher electric bills, higher food prices, higher medical insurance co-pays.... Can't remember buying any extra investments with it.


Tom

Cape Cod Steel Head
03-07-2007, 04:47 PM
Scooter lied, His boss lied, and is still lying, and so is his boss!

fansince'76
03-07-2007, 04:52 PM
Scooter lied, His boss lied, and is still lying, and so is his boss!

Show me an honest politician and I'll show you an unemployed politician....

Hines0wnz
03-15-2007, 12:05 PM
I'm not on any witchunt. If the tables were turned you know what would happen though. God forbid if this was Al Gore 8 years ago.

It happened.....but his name is Sandy Berger.

Hines0wnz
03-15-2007, 12:07 PM
Scooter lied, His boss lied, and is still lying, and so is his boss!

Drunk Teddy killed a woman and still serves in the Senate so I think anyone griping about Bush needs to check their own house first.

Hines0wnz
03-15-2007, 12:08 PM
The real problem with the political system???

Here is the real problem. The American Press... and MASSIVE POLITICAL MACHINES.

Most of the people on this board would be honest politicians. Most of the people on this board, while disagreeing with others, would be honest with the other people's political principles. Most of the people on this board would also be treat others with respect.

That is why most of the people on this board would get ripped apart by the press and the political machines called PACs... UNIONS... DNC... RNC... Etc.etc.

They ALL are ruining American politics. Period.

What people does that leave for politics... IN EITHER PARTY??? Well... take a look at our govt... Dems and Repubs ALIKE.

Well said Preacher! :wink02:

Hines0wnz
03-15-2007, 12:12 PM
I think something that would go a long way towards fixing that problem would be a maximum lifetime limit of two terms for both representatives and senators.

I am all for this as I believe it would change the landscape of getting things done in Congress/DC. Although, US Rep terms are only 2 years so I think a 5 term limit is fine for them but only 2 for sure with Senators.