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Elvis
03-09-2007, 05:13 AM
Not really, but I guess I have offended ONE of the moderators enough with my SIG that he/she has decided to Infraction me at this time. I hope that to all the friends that I have made here are Not mad at me because of my SIG's, these are just my views and I dont know how long I will be allowed to be here in this forrum because I am Not Changing My Views because of some lame Moderator that obviously hasnt got anything else to do but sit in front of a computer and look for little nit picking things to hastle people over. So, If I am not back, just accept this for what it is " an appology to those of my friends that I have offended"

SteelersFever
03-09-2007, 06:17 AM
It wasn't a moderator that infracted you. Maybe if you had actually read the rules you would have known your previous signature image was prohibited.

The fact is, I have received numerous complaints over your previous signature image and dealt with the situation as deemed necessary.

SteelersFever
03-09-2007, 06:22 AM
Oh yeah... keep venting... this is the place, lets get rowdy! :sofunny:

RoethlisBURGHer
03-09-2007, 07:45 AM
What was your previous signature picture,I don't even rememebr it.Don't post it on the board,just PM me it.

SteelersFever
03-09-2007, 08:08 AM
This is isn't the place to be expressing your abortion views anyway. I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd.

tony hipchest
03-09-2007, 08:21 AM
This is isn't the place to be expressing your abortion views anyway. I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd.i think tom brady may be looking into one soon. a pregnent girlfriend and mistress at the same time??? :dang: not good.... not good:shake01:

floodcitygirl
03-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Your sigs don't bother me in the least. They're your beliefs and reflect you.

Honestly, I just have a hard time reading your posts because of all the colors and varying print. :smile:

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 08:37 AM
My wife is a mod on a board and the worst things she has to deal with are religious images/arguments.

Now I don't know you from anyone else here, but keep in mind that Freedom of Religion also mean Freedom from Religion. Not everyone around you wants to have your beliefs shoved in their face on a day to day basis.

Stainless Steel
03-09-2007, 09:08 AM
keep in mind that Freedom of Religion also mean Freedom from Religion.

There is no such thing as "freedom from religion" in the USA. There is no right I know of anywhere except in the former USSR or Red China. You may choose to not hold to any faith, but that is your right to hold that belief. It is not our duty to remove all religion from our dialog for you benefit. I certainly wouldn't expect you to put religion in your speech to suit me. Don't expect me to eliminate my religious views to suit you. That is nothing short of censorship.

Not everyone around you wants to have your beliefs shoved in their face on a day to day basis.
So does that mean that one can not express their religious views? Does it mean that one should not express their religious views? Should we put a disclaimer or warning on our posts?

Yes there are a lot of arguments that start about anything that people really care about. Some people do not behave in the way Jesus would have them behave in expressing their religious views. There are many religious people who have their faults. That does not mean that we are to just cut off the freedom to express our faith.

Having said all that, this is not the USA. This is steelersfever.com. They have a coc that conducts the way this site is to run. wedosesteelers2006 may have not chosen the best method to drive home his point. If he violated the COC, it was because the pic violated the coc, not just because he expressed his faith.

wedosesteelers2006, maybe the point is not to offend people. You may want to chose non-offensive methods to express your views.

Stainless Steel
03-09-2007, 09:11 AM
Your sigs don't bother me in the least. They're your beliefs and reflect you.

Honestly, I just have a hard time reading your posts because of all the colors and varying print. :smile:

This is true. Not to pile on, but I do need to refocus to attempt to read those fonts. Sometimes, I just don't read his posts because of the effort it takes.

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 09:27 AM
There is no such thing as "freedom from religion" in the USA. There is no right I know of anywhere except in the former USSR or Red China. You may choose to not hold to any faith, but that is your right to hold that belief. It is not our duty to remove all religion from our dialog for you benefit. I certainly wouldn't expect you to put religion in your speech to suit me. Don't expect me to eliminate my religious views to suit you. That is nothing short of censorship.


So does that mean that one can not express their religious views? Does it mean that one should not express their religious views? Should we put a disclaimer or warning on our posts?

Yes there are a lot of arguments that start about anything that people really care about. Some people do not behave in the way Jesus would have them behave in expressing their religious views. There are many religious people who have their faults. That does not mean that we are to just cut off the freedom to express our faith.

Having said all that, this is not the USA. This is steelersfever.com. They have a coc that conducts the way this site is to run. wedosesteelers2006 may have not chosen the best method to drive home his point. If he violated the COC, it was because the pic violated the coc, not just because he expressed his faith.

wedosesteelers2006, maybe the point is not to offend people. You may want to chose non-offensive methods to express your views.

Settle down a little bit and let me tell you a story.

My wife is a moderator on a different non-sports message board. Recently, she dealt with a woman who was very abusive. It started when the woman posted a large picture of an Israeli flag in her signature block. My wife's board requires signature pictures be less than 100x100 and this was clearly larger. My wife sent her a PM asking her to resize (not remove) the picture. In response, the woman threatened a lawsuit and became very abusive to my wife and to the site's admin.

I relate this story to you to illustrate a point. The point being that sometimes people who are coming from a religious point of view can become blinded to their actions and how those actions affect others. I'm not asking you to put a disclaimer on your posts. But even though this is America, you're still responsible for your actions. Just like you can't yell fire in a crowded theater and expect no repercussions, you can't argue an issue from a religious point of view without someone calling into question your methods or facts. Everything posted on these boards is in the public domain. You're responsible for what you write and there are going to be people who don't agree with you. Just because you're using a religious point of view doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

Stainless Steel
03-09-2007, 09:54 AM
The point being that sometimes people who are coming from a religious point of view can become blinded to their actions and how those actions affect others.
This is true in every area that strong opinions are possessed, not just religion. I've seen some REAL nasty posts on political subjects too. Please don't just point a finger at religion.

I'm not asking you to put a disclaimer on your posts. But even though this is America, you're still responsible for your actions. Just like you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
Responsibility is big in my small mind. There are many verses in scripture that point out our responsibilities as Christians.
expect no repercussions, you can't argue an issue from a religious point of view without someone calling into question your methods or facts.
There will be those who may question points taken, but I see those as opportunities to share and explain things further. I see it as a good thing to have discussion.
Everything posted on these boards is in the public domain. You're responsible for what you write and there are going to be people who don't agree with you. Just because you're using a religious point of view doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

I never asked you to agree with me. I do, when I deal with religions issue, to persuade others to the Truth. However, I know that many will never be moved, especially on discussion boards.

You posted something about "freedom from religion". I held you responsible for those words and gave you a chance to explain yourself further. See how your freedom of speech enabled you to define what you meant by "freedom from religion".

It sounded like you just wanted all of us to shut our mouths and not share our faith. You don't look nearly as extreme as you did when you used the term "freedom from religion".

You see, Jeremy, I have seen people use the term "freedom from religion" to attempt to shut us up. They see it as their right to squelch us when we express our religious views. I thought you were one of those type from your use of "freedom from religion".

Stainless Steel
03-09-2007, 09:56 AM
Settle down a little bit
I am perfectly settled. I just felt you needed to find out where you going with your comments. I am not alone in this.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-09-2007, 10:00 AM
I am a religious man, however, to bring politics into this great conversations, it is the Religious Rights Group that is destroying a great country.......
This country was founded on FREEDOM........I lost my hearing serving this country founded on FREEDOM.....and I believe it should be FREE in all aspects

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 10:01 AM
Freedom From Religion simply means that you should respect the wishes of others when they ask that you not share your beliefs with them. When someone tells you that your beliefs offend them, as a Christian you should be willing to accept that and use a different tactic to get your point across or be willing to drop the argument totally.

I am a Christian as well, I've simply found that message boards are the worst possible place for spreading your message.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-09-2007, 10:06 AM
Where is Preacher?
I would like to hear his views on this?

tony hipchest
03-09-2007, 10:16 AM
personally, i would think benglebrians sig stating:

**** the squeelers!!!

would much more offensive than wedosesteeler's adorable picture of the cute little babys tiny hand during surgery. and although i am pro choice, i can see the miracle of that little life being saved.

just like i can see the miracle that bunglefans can actually navigate the internet and use a computer.

either way it doesnt affect me to the point that i will run to the mods about it. as long as the rules are being enforced equally with no bias or inconsistancies, i could care less.

MACH1
03-09-2007, 10:16 AM
This is true. Not to pile on, but I do need to refocus to attempt to read those fonts. Sometimes, I just don't read his posts because of the effort it takes.

^^^ I agree

Last time I checked this was a Steelers football board not a religion board. This isn't the place to be pushing religion on people. IMHO- Yes I'm religious, but this is not church and not the place for it.

Its kind of like when the Missionaries come knocking on your door to spread their message, How many of you shut the door in their face???

Most of the time I just skip his replys anyways cause they hurt my eyes to try and read them, I dont think I seen the picture he had so I cant comment on it.

Carry on. :smile:

Stainless Steel
03-09-2007, 10:26 AM
Freedom From Religion simply means that you should respect the wishes of others when they ask that you not share your beliefs with them. When someone tells you that your beliefs offend them, as a Christian you should be willing to accept that and use a different tactic to get your point across or be willing to drop the argument totally.

I am a Christian as well, I've simply found that message boards are the worst possible place for spreading your message.

Jeremy, I have never heard freedom from religion expressed in that way. Here is usually how it is expressed:

http://ffrf.org/purposes/

you should respect the wishes of others when they ask that you not share your beliefs with them. When someone tells you that your beliefs offend them, as a Christian you should be willing to accept that and use a different tactic to get your point across or be willing to drop the argument totally.

This has been my practice, but I would never call it "freedom from religion". I would call it "using good discretion". I try to use pics like my avitar or a tastefully done sig to let people know where I am coming from. I see no harm in that.

I also agree that boards aren't the best place to hash out your beliefs. Most people on a board have their mind made up. That being said, I will not back down from a discussion when I see something that I see as important.

Mosca
03-09-2007, 11:30 AM
I'm not religious, but I liked the miracle surgery picture (after wedo added the explanation of what it was; I hadn't noticed it before). Note that it was a SECULAR miracle; who could complain?

I was raised Catholic, so I understand the images. They aren't mine, but I don't mind him "decorating his yard" with them. It's OK. He hasn't complained about MY avatar, so I couldn't complain about his. Hell, my wife has that stuff all over the house and her car.

But I'd have to agree with floodcitygirl, I generally skip wedosteelers' posts because the font, color, and odd centering make them impossible to read. So anything he writes is background noise anyhow.

It's up to the board's owner to decide what is permissible. He has decided that the Catholic imagery is fine, so it is. I think someone would have to be pretty easily offended to take its presence personally. At worst, they are beautifully rendered images. If you are not religious, then they are devoid of any meaning for you, so what's the big deal? The guy wants to show everyone his beliefs. At least you know up front "not to sit next to him on the bus", figuratively speaking, and you should probably say thanks.


Tom

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 11:32 AM
The one area in which the signature might be deemed offensive is that it promotes an anti-abortion stance. Abortion is like the third rail. Personally, I don't have any problem with religious imagery in someone's signature. I think it's inappropriate on a sports message board, but it's not offensive. I do have a problem with promoting a certain political stance in your signature. That's just me though.

Mosca
03-09-2007, 11:38 AM
The one area in which the signature might be deemed offensive is that it promotes an anti-abortion stance. Abortion is like the third rail. Personally, I don't have any problem with religious imagery in someone's signature. I think it's inappropriate on a sports message board, but it's not offensive. I do have a problem with promoting a certain political stance in your signature. That's just me though.

I understand, but it doesn't bother me. It's not going to change anyones' mind, so all it does is paint wedosteelers as the type of person who would include that in his signature. If he's OK with being noted that way, then all I can say is, "great", and avoid getting into discussions with him. It's as offensive to me as email porn spam, ie it doesn't register except as background noise that warns me away from certain areas.


Tom

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 11:41 AM
It doesn't bother me enough to complain to the mods. Like you said, it just tells me that this is a person who I don't want to debate with. Kind of like having a Patriots avatar tells me that you're probably not the smartest poster on the board and should be avoided.

Mosca
03-09-2007, 11:45 AM
:thumbsup: :cheers:

Cape Cod Steel Head
03-09-2007, 02:01 PM
Personally I found his original sig disturbing, and inappropriate, and I'll just leave it at that.

polamalufan43
03-09-2007, 02:35 PM
I would like to no what the sig said too, please pm it to me. If it was something about abortion, I can understand how some people would be offended, but then I can see how it's just expressing views.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

SteelerFanInCA
03-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Ah yes my two favorite rules... Never talk religion or politics and every thing will be just fine. How about them Steelers?

Jeremy
03-09-2007, 03:46 PM
Ah yes my two favorite rules... Never talk religion or politics and every thing will be just fine. How about them Steelers?


I never said that anyone here can't talk religion. But if you want to talk religion, don't whine when you offend someone and they call you out about it. This thread was started as a whine about someone who complained. Suck it up and accept the fact that people won't always agree with you. This isn't your church, there are going to be different opinions.

HometownGal
03-09-2007, 03:47 PM
Three pages of questioning the board administrator's decision to infract a member for a signature violation? :jawdrop: Just a reminder folks - the Laws of the Land (Board COC) is there for a reason and it isn't just to sit there and look purty. :wink02: For those who are newer to the board, our COC is posted at the top of every forum for quick reference.

C'mon guys, let it go. This is between Wedo and Mike. I am 100% Pro Life and quite honestly, I found the photo a little over the top, but didn't complain about it. Hey - as long as no one uses a signature showing Ocho Cinco bangin' his goat or Fairy Tom spawning yet another demon, it's all good. :wink02: :thumbsup:

Mosca
03-09-2007, 03:49 PM
So, HTG; why no lock then? Put the click to it!


Tom

HometownGal
03-09-2007, 03:52 PM
So, HTG; why no lock then? Put the click to it!


Tom

Well - I thought it was Mike's call to lock the thread since he replied directly to Wedo, but I agree - it's time to put the lock on it. If Mike wants to reopen it, that's fine.