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I.C. Lights
03-14-2007, 11:24 PM
A couple questions for hockey experts out there:

1. Do the Pens have a goalie controversy?

2. If so, is it a bad thing like a QB controversy would be in football?

Thanks!

IC
:cheers:

X-Terminator
03-15-2007, 05:40 AM
A couple questions for hockey experts out there:

1. Do the Pens have a goalie controversy?

2. If so, is it a bad thing like a QB controversy would be in football?

Thanks!

IC
:cheers:

1. No. Fleury is the starter and Thibault is the backup - there is no questioning that. Michel Therrien simply wants good, consistent play in goal, and let's be honest, Fleury hasn't given him that in recent weeks. So Thibault has seen more action as a result, and has played well for the most part. He was very good last night in the shutout of the Devils, in fact. But down the stretch and going into the postseason, Fleury is the man, not to mention the future of the organization in goal. Don't be surprised, though, if Therrien pulls Fleury if he doesn't perform in the playoffs - he has done it before at Wilkes-Barre/Scranton. Therrien will do whatever he has to in order to win.

2. It's only a bad thing if one or the other takes it personally. In this case, Fleury is used to being called out by Therrien, so therefore he does not take it personally and understands that it's simply a kick in the rear-end to get him focused again. There were rumblings early in the season that Thibault wasn't being happy being a backup and wanted to be a starter, but those have since quieted down, especially since they started their great run. He's been saying the right things in the media and has been a good teammate, helping Fleury when needed while working hard himself to be ready when his number is called.

Hope that answers your questions!

83-Steelers-43
03-15-2007, 06:00 AM
A couple questions for hockey experts out there:

1. Do the Pens have a goalie controversy?

2. If so, is it a bad thing like a QB controversy would be in football?

Thanks!

IC
:cheers:

1) Bottomline, Fleury is our starter. On that note I don't believe there is a "controversy", but that's not to say that Therrien is completely comfortable with Fleury. The question is when will Fleury step up and start playing like a starting goalie on a consistent basis? He played excellent against Buffalo. Now let's see how he plays against Montreal. The fact that we have to wonder how he will perform against Montreal is proof that he has not yet arrived and is not playing at the level in which Therrien believes he can play.

Also keep in mind, Therrien made it known back in mid-February that the month of March is crazy when it comes to scheduling and that Thibault will see a good amount of playing time this month. That is what we are seeing right now. Fleury played solid against Buffalo, Therrien rested him against NJ and will start him against Montreal tomorrow night.

2) Look no further than Barrasso and Aubin. From all reports (Aubin being one of them), Barrasso was a complete jerk when it came to helping out Aubin. Barrasso went as far as throwing a fit after one game in which he was pulled. That's when it becomes a problem. With Fleury and Thibault I have heard absolutely nothing negative when it comes to their relationship. Actually, the total opposite.

Since you seem interested, here is a good article on Thibault and how he goes about performing his backup role. Goalie Thibault performs backup role to a T: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07044/761687-61.stm

As for the relationship between Aubin and Barrasso. Here are some examples of when a backup situation goes bad......

"That presumably is a relief to Jean-Sebastien Aubin, the Penguins' unquestioned No. 1 goalie now that Hedberg is hurt, because his relationship with Barrasso was prickly, at best, during their days together."

http://www.post-gazette.com/penguins/20030109hedberg4.asp

"Aubin, after all, is the guy who, upon realizing his dream of playing in the NHL, found himself partnered with Tom Barrasso, who apparently believed verbally abusing Aubin was a key element in his job description."

http://www.post-gazette.com/penguins/20020315pens3.asp

"If some of Barrasso's ex-teammates hate him, that's understandable. If you weren't a fellow star, his dressing room demeanor was aloof, if not downright nasty. At best, he ignored his goaltending partner. At worst, he terrorized him. Ask Jean-Sebastien Aubin, whom Barrasso once berated for not playing hurt. Kind of ironic, since Aubin was legitimately injured and since Barrasso occasionally wasn't."

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/columnists/20011215amadden1215np5.asp

"Near the end of Tom Barrasso's career in Pittsburgh, the PA at Mellon Arena used to play a burst of loud music immediately after each name in the Penguins' starting lineup was announced. Why? So you couldn't hear the spectators boo after Barrasso was introduced.

Make no mistake, Barrasso is a thoroughly detestable human being. Even his friends roll their eyes at mention of his name. He berated young players, his backups, assistant coaches and team employees. The only time Barrasso ever did the media any favors is when he refused to talk to us. When he did deign to grace us with words of wisdom, he was designated a hostile witness by the court."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04108/302172.stm

83-Steelers-43
03-18-2007, 03:24 AM
I already posted this article in the "Pens Tidbits" thread but articles tend to get "lost" in that thread.

IC Lights, here is another good article pertaining to Fleury and Thibault's relationship on and off the ice......

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07077/770449-61.stm

polamalufan43
03-18-2007, 07:07 AM
True, very true.
I dont really think there's any, well...let's say bad blood between the two. Fleury is our starter, and a good one at that. Players have there ups and downs, but that's okay as long as they can play on gameday:bouncy:

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

HometownGal
03-18-2007, 09:20 AM
True, very true.
I dont really think there's any, well...let's say bad blood between the two. Fleury is our starter, and a good one at that. Players have there ups and downs, but that's okay as long as they can play on gameday:bouncy:

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

There isn't any bad blood between Fleury and Thibault - they get along quite well. Thibault knows his role and is always ready to step in if needed or make that start to give Fleury a rest. We have a very good one-two punch in the net and there is no controversy.

However, I do think Thibault might test the open market when his contract is up and I really don't blame him for desiring to start in goal for some team, though I'd love nothing more than if he stayed right here in da Burgh!

RoethlisBURGHer
03-18-2007, 09:28 AM
I don't think there is any contreversy,but I do believe that Thibault thinks he is starter-caliber.

DO not be surprised of Thibault eventually requests a trade so he can start somehwere in the NHL.

X-Terminator
03-18-2007, 09:36 AM
I don't think there is any contreversy,but I do believe that Thibault thinks he is starter-caliber.

DO not be surprised of Thibault eventually requests a trade so he can start somehwere in the NHL.

He doesn't have to ask for a trade - his contract is up at the end of the season. And like HTG, I fully expect him to "kick some tires" around the league to see if he can get a starting job. If he can't, then I can see him re-signing here since he's already the established backup and seems to enjoy playing here.

RoethlisBURGHer
03-18-2007, 09:43 AM
He doesn't have to ask for a trade - his contract is up at the end of the season. And like HTG, I fully expect him to "kick some tires" around the league to see if he can get a starting job. If he can't, then I can see him re-signing here since he's already the established backup and seems to enjoy playing here.

Oh,I didn't even realize his contract was up at the end of the year.I hope nobody wants him so he just stays in Da Burgh...but I don't see that happening with how he has played this year.

X-Terminator
03-18-2007, 10:02 AM
Oh,I didn't even realize his contract was up at the end of the year.I hope nobody wants him so he just stays in Da Burgh...but I don't see that happening with how he has played this year.

Looking around the league, there really aren't a whole lot of starting jobs that would be open after this season. Even the bad teams like Phoenix, Columbus and Philadelphia have found solutions in goal, though Phoenix is iffy. Plus, he will have to compete with Evgeni Nabokov, who will almost surely be traded by the Sharks since Vesa Toskala has emerged as the #1 and Nabokov is making a lot of money, money they can then use to try to re-sign Patrick Marleau. The only places he might have a shot would be Los Angeles, Phoenix, Detroit (depending on what Hasek does and if they enter the Nabokov sweepstakes), Florida (if Belfour retires - they are not real high on Alex Auld) and maybe Tampa Bay (I don't think they're sold on Johan Holmqvist or Marc Denis).

I.C. Lights
04-10-2007, 08:46 PM
Wow! You guys are rock-stars. Thanks so much for filling me in with your opinions & links. I grew up in NJ and the penguins were never on tv. My only experience watching them was against the Rangers in the playoffs en route to Stanley Cup #2. It was the game with the Lemieux penalty shot. I don't know how my dad got tickets, but it was the best birthday present a kid could get.

Aside from that, I used to listen to them on my shortwave radio - haha. Even when I was supposed to be sleeping, I put the radio under my pillow and listened (probably not a good move cancer-wise, in retrospect). I was the only kid in my town that fully understood the meaning of phrases such as "Elvis has left the building" and "scratch my back with a chainsaw."

Tom Barrasso was my hero, so it's disappointing to find out that he was such a jerk. But from those articles I feel confident that there's nothing like that going on now. In fact, the entire team seems to get a long pretty well. It's exciting to see them play so well again.

Thanks again, & Go Pens!!

83-Steelers-43
04-11-2007, 08:02 AM
Tom Barrasso was my hero, so it's disappointing to find out that he was such a jerk. But from those articles I feel confident that there's nothing like that going on now. In fact, the entire team seems to get a long pretty well. It's exciting to see them play so well again.

Thanks again, & Go Pens!!

Glad to hear you enjoyed the articles I.C. Lights. Barrasso's daughter has cancer and from my understanding he did alot in the area for cancer patients. He seems like a good guy at heart, but he was just an a-hole when it came to being a teammate.

The really sad part is that he could have been loved in this city (some people still do) if he wasn't such an a-hole towards Aubin and the media. At the end of the day though, there is no doubt that if we didn't have Tommy B. we wouldn't have won two Stanley Cups. I tend to keep that in mind when all is said and done. Some of the same idiots who boo him when his name is announced for any reason or bash the hell out of the guy any chance they get are probably the same idiots who were cheering his name back in the early 90's and I'm sure just as many didn't even have season tickets back then. Go figure.

The way I look at it. The guy was a jerk towards the media and Aubin, but he never insulted the fans, he won this city two cups and he did alot in the community. That's why I don't boo the guy like an idiot. I don't respect him as much as I do Ulf, Lemieux, Francis, Recchi, Murphy, Coffey and the rest of the crew, but I will not boo the guy.