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tony hipchest
03-16-2007, 12:08 AM
i hate to say this but nfl films struck gold again. great production. and if youre a fan of the nfl, definitely worthy of a watch. i would suppose most steelerfans would hate the ravens even more after watching this, but i didnt. players like jermain lewis and trent dilfer easilly gain respect and billick and ray ray, give good insight.

as good and dominant as that team really was that year, you are reminded of what huge pieces of crap they are to piss trent dilfer away after that season. for that bonehead move alone, they never deserve to sniff another SB again. it is only fitting that the steelers essentially ended elvis grbac's career, the following year in the playoffs, after signing that multi million $$$ contract the ravens so foolishly gave to him.

Preacher
03-16-2007, 12:16 AM
You know.. I think the bigger questioon...

Is why we didn't pick up Trent Dilfer. He really was our kind of QB. He can sit in the pocket and throw the pass. He can manage the game. We wouldn't have had to deal with the QB sit. for the next couple of years.

verks36
03-16-2007, 12:22 AM
Also Jermaine lewis return kicks for them also helped them out alot
But their D was AMAZING

MasterOfPuppets
03-16-2007, 01:20 AM
You know.. I think the bigger questioon...

Is why we didn't pick up Trent Dilfer. He really was our kind of QB. He can sit in the pocket and throw the pass. He can manage the game. We wouldn't have had to deal with the QB sit. for the next couple of years.

dilfor???...:huh: ,,,are you serious??? :jawdrop:

Preacher
03-16-2007, 02:15 AM
dilfor???...:huh: ,,,are you serious??? :jawdrop:

Yes. I am. There is a reason that the Ravens won the SB with Dilfer. Because he could move the offense and limit his mistakes. Then the D. and the running game took care of the rest. That was the way the Ravens AND the Steelers played and wanted to play. At that time, if we had Dilfer, we would have done better then we did in 2001 and 2002, especially 2003.

However, we wouldn't have been able to draft Ben.

But yeah, Dilfer is the QB that you pick when you don't want a QB to hurt you, and back then, that was our desire.

MasterOfPuppets
03-16-2007, 02:38 AM
Yes. I am. There is a reason that the Ravens won the SB with Dilfer. Because he could move the offense and limit his mistakes. Then the D. and the running game took care of the rest. That was the way the Ravens AND the Steelers played and wanted to play. At that time, if we had Dilfer, we would have done better then we did in 2001 and 2002, especially 2003.

However, we wouldn't have been able to draft Ben.

But yeah, Dilfer is the QB that you pick when you don't want a QB to hurt you, and back then, that was our desire.

with all due respect preacher,i think your giving dilfer a little more credit than he deserves.he played only slightly better than tony banks


+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |
+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Tony Banks | 11 | 150 274 54.7 1578 5.8 8 8 | 19 57 0 |
| Trent Dilfer | 9 | 133 225 59.1 1502 6.7 12 11 | 20 75 0 |
| Chris Redman | 1 | 2 3 66.7 19 6.3 0 0 | 1 0 0 |


dilfers carear stats....55.7 completion %.....106 tds compared to 117 ints.....qb rating 71.3

hardly numbers that would suggest he was game manager.

Preacher
03-16-2007, 03:26 AM
with all due respect preacher,i think your giving dilfer a little more credit than he deserves.he played only slightly better than tony banks


+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |
+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+
| Tony Banks | 11 | 150 274 54.7 1578 5.8 8 8 | 19 57 0 |
| Trent Dilfer | 9 | 133 225 59.1 1502 6.7 12 11 | 20 75 0 |
| Chris Redman | 1 | 2 3 66.7 19 6.3 0 0 | 1 0 0 |


dilfers carear stats....55.7 completion %.....106 tds compared to 117 ints.....qb rating 71.3

hardly numbers that would suggest he was game manager.

There is a reason why the Ravens were able to win teh SB... same reason the Seahawks started turning the corner with him. Not because he was a great qb. Not because he could do things... but because he was able to play WITHIN thier system. That is my only argument. Looking at who we had at QB at the time, are you telling me you would rather have had Kordell instead of Dilfer?

As much as I liked Kordell, and I really did, fact is he didn't fit with the Steeler style of football. Dilfer would have ben a much better QB during that period.

SteelCzar76
03-16-2007, 07:35 AM
i hate to say this but nfl films struck gold again. great production. and if youre a fan of the nfl, definitely worthy of a watch. i would suppose most steelerfans would hate the ravens even more after watching this, but i didnt. players like jermain lewis and trent dilfer easilly gain respect and billick and ray ray, give good insight.

as good and dominant as that team really was that year, you are reminded of what huge pieces of crap they are to piss trent dilfer away after that season. for that bonehead move alone, they never deserve to sniff another SB again. it is only fitting that the steelers essentially ended elvis grbac's career, the following year in the playoffs, after signing that multi million $$$ contract the ravens so foolishly gave to him.




I'm no fan of the Rats,...but i have to give credit where it's due. They had one of the top three defenses ever that season in my opinion. (Along with ours in 76, and the 85 bears)IMO
I was watching all the while,.....secretly a little envious thinking,..."Will i ever see one of our defenses that dominant as an adult ? Or will it always be a matter of a few studs here and there surrounded by 'guests' until they are 'over the hill' and or cap casualties,....and we just repeat the same process all over again ? LOL

polamalufan43
03-16-2007, 04:00 PM
SCREW THE RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem, now that I have got that out of my system, I think that they may have made the right choice. Except, it seemed like America was more estatic when the Steelers won in 2005, but that's just me.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Suitanim
03-16-2007, 04:16 PM
Dilfers stats as a Rat were much better than his stats at Tampa, which is a corollary of what his perspective roles were. In Tampa he was supposed to win games, and in Baltimore he was only asked to not lose. As a starter in Tampa, he had 415 attempts in 1995, 482 in 96, 386 in 97, 429 in 98 and 244 (in only 10 games) in 99. In 2000, he only had 226 attempts, and the rats won the Super Bowl. I'd rather have a guy play conservative and error on the side of caution than have Kordell winging INT's all over the place, especially in AFCC games...

MasterOfPuppets
03-16-2007, 04:26 PM
Dilfers stats as a Rat were much better than his stats at Tampa, which is a corollary of what his perspective roles were. In Tampa he was supposed to win games, and in Baltimore he was only asked to not lose. As a starter in Tampa, he had 415 attempts in 1995, 482 in 96, 386 in 97, 429 in 98 and 244 (in only 10 games) in 99. In 2000, he only had 226 attempts, and the rats won the Super Bowl. I'd rather have a guy play conservative and error on the side of caution than have Kordell winging INT's all over the place, especially in AFCC games...

lets not forget banks started the 1st 9 games. dilfer still threw 11 picks in the next 7 games.

fansince'76
03-16-2007, 04:29 PM
The only good thing that came out of the Ratbirds winning it all was this (at least for me):

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1696865018 :toofunny:

Suitanim
03-16-2007, 05:06 PM
Dilfer threw 11 picks in 11 games, and, most importantly, he only threw 1 INT in all 4 postseason games.

Look, Dilfer is nothing more than a journeyman backup now, but he had a couple years where he was a really heady QB who was short on talent but knew how to call a game. I'd take that anyday over a freakishly talented idiot like Kordell.

tony hipchest
03-16-2007, 05:09 PM
dilfer revealed an interesting story. when baltimore visited tennessee during the regular season his playbook turned up missing from the stadium and they were sure it was stolen. when theyreturned later in the season for the playoffs the titans were owning the ravens offense like they were in the huddle and trent dilfer was getting clobbered. i had forgotten how close that game was and the defense really bailed them out.

it makes me wonder how much of the steelers playbook brian st pierre gave the ravens last season. after all, they knew exactly what was coming. no coincidence that playbooke is being altered and loose lips st pierre is nestled deep on or bench now.

Suitanim
03-16-2007, 05:16 PM
dilfer revealed an interesting story. when baltimore visited tennessee during the regular season his playbook turned up missing from the stadium and they were sure it was stolen. when theyreturned later in the season for the playoffs the titans were owning the ravens offense like they were in the huddle and trent dilfer was getting clobbered. i had forgotten how close that game was and the defense really bailed them out.

it makes me wonder how much of the steelers playbook brian st pierre gave the ravens last season. after all, they knew exactly what was coming. no coincidence that playbooke is being altered and loose lips st pierre is nestled deep on or bench now.

Interesting...remember that after that game Cowher admitted that they just had "The wrong gameplan". I don't remember him ever saying that before...

tony hipchest
03-16-2007, 05:26 PM
Interesting...remember that after that game Cowher admitted that they just had "The wrong gameplan". I don't remember him ever saying that before...
i dont either. now, billick vs cowher was the oldest coaching match up in the nfl. they have faced off 17 times. and while billick is an ass, he definitely isnt ignorant. it stands to reason he could have a good day and guess correctly a majority of the time in the chess match that is coaching. but those 2 games were rediculous.

i know vincent could give some tips but what do you always hear as the explanation as why st pierre is still on the roster?- "he knows the playbook"

and even our defense almost sacked mcnair as many times as ben was but he got rid of the ball in just the nick of time and it seemed to go to the right spot EVERY time.

you can guess tendencies and i know billick has all the computer programs asn scouts and assistants to do so, but NO ONE is that good.

Suitanim
03-16-2007, 05:34 PM
McNair always played well against the Steelers. The dude could have a broken leg and a blindfold on and he just somehow would still tear up the Steelers...

tony hipchest
03-16-2007, 05:34 PM
you notice the ravens always seem to have an ex steeler qb on the roster. a. wright, k. stewart. st. pierre.

and our rivalry has always been close no matter what (except for last year). is it possible they just finally got a smart qb from us with more than 2 ounces of brains (kordell wasnt known as a "nose in the books" type of qb)

i'd say so. after all, once the ravens got what they needed, they were pretty quick to kick him back to the steelers. i guess they didnt want to keep him for the talent, and potential he still has :rolleyes:

true about mcnair. hes hard assed and usually plays just as well against some of the best defenses, such as baltimore, pittsburgh, and jax (beating them twice in their 14-2 season and then again in the playoffs)

MasterOfPuppets
03-16-2007, 05:39 PM
Dilfer threw 11 picks in 11 games, and, most importantly, he only threw 1 INT in all 4 postseason games.

Look, Dilfer is nothing more than a journeyman backup now, but he had a couple years where he was a really heady QB who was short on talent but knew how to call a game. I'd take that anyday over a freakishly talented idiot like Kordell.

actually this says 9 games


+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1994 tam | 5 | 38 82 46.3 433 5.3 1 6 | 2 27 0 |
| 1995 tam | 16 | 224 415 54.0 2774 6.7 4 18 | 23 115 2 |
| 1996 tam | 16 | 267 482 55.4 2859 5.9 12 19 | 32 124 0 |
| 1997 tam | 16 | 217 386 56.2 2555 6.6 21 11 | 33 99 1 |
| 1998 tam | 16 | 225 429 52.4 2729 6.4 21 15 | 40 141 2 |
| 1999 tam | 10 | 146 244 59.8 1619 6.6 11 11 | 35 144 0 |
| 2000 bal | 9 | 133 225 59.1 1502 6.7 12 11 | 20 75 0 |
| 2001 sea | 9 | 73 122 59.8 1014 8.3 7 4 | 11 17 0 |
| 2002 sea | 6 | 94 168 56.0 1182 7.0 4 6 | 10 27 0 |
| 2003 sea | 5 | 4 8 50.0 31 3.9 1 1 | 2 -1 0 |
| 2004 sea | 5 | 25 58 43.1 333 5.7 1 3 | 10 14 0 |
| 2005 cle | 11 | 199 333 59.8 2321 7.0 11 12 | 20 46 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 124 | 1645 2952 55.7 19352 6.6 106 117 | 238 828 5 |

Suitanim
03-16-2007, 05:43 PM
That's games started, not games played.

NFL.com has him starting 8 games and playing in 11. I'm going with the NFL on this one.

And, again, the guy played well when he needed to, and we have had more than one QB in the last 15 years who has not, Ben included.

Edman
03-16-2007, 06:32 PM
The Ratbirds still suck in my book, but the '00 Ravens D was ferocious. The best since the '85 Bears. They had a capable offense under Dilfer, and a dangerous punt returner and special teams to compliment it. They were a pretty damn good team.

Quick Fact: The Steelers were the last team to beat them that year.

tony hipchest
03-16-2007, 06:39 PM
Another Quick Fact: they faced a bunch of sub par running backs all season. in fact the best ones they faced were eddie george, emmitt smith, and jerome bettis who all beat them.