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tony hipchest
03-20-2007, 07:36 PM
i still see alot of paul posluszny being perfect for the steelers and of course he is a "homestate favorite" coming from linebacker U. but ive seen him really low on alot of boards which makes me wonder if hes our guy do we trade down and who is our trading partner? what teams are looking to wheel and deal on draft day? i think you always gotta look out for denver and patriots to be movers. they definitely wont hesitate. the raiders could shake things up drafting the rights to calvin johnson and possibly get mike vick or eli manning value by trading them away. here is some scenarios pat kirwan has in his latest mock draft.

http://nfl.com/draft/story/10069968

2. **Tampa Bay (after trade with Detroit): Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech -- There is a relationship between Lions head coach Rod Marinelli and Tampa Bay general manager Bruce Allen and Allen loves to make deals. After the great workout by Johnson, it's time to move up to get him but not until the Raiders make their selection. There's no sense to move up if Johnson is already gone. The Lions get Tampa's second- and fourth-round selections to move down.

4. **Detroit (after trade with Tampa Bay): Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame -- Detroit selects the quarterback of the future and will come back early in the second round with picks Nos. 34 and 35 and get the critical needs at safety and linebacker.

7. **Atlanta (after trade with Minnesota): LaRon Landry, S, LSU -- With Brady Quinn gone, the Vikings are interested in moving down and the Falcons don't want to miss the opportunity to get Landry. Minnesota gets Atlanta's third-round selection to move three spots.

10. **Minnesota (after trade with Atlanta): Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas -- The Vikings still get Anderson to help bolster the pass rush. And with the third-round selection they pick up from Atlanta, the Vikings can put it together with their second-round pick to move up to the bottom of the first round to draft a wide receiver.

24. **New Orleans (after trade with New England): Greg Olsen, TE, Miami -- The Saints need a tight end and they must get ahead of the Jets to get Olsen. New Orleans gives up a fourth-round pick to move up.

27. **New England (after trade with New Orleans): Anthony Spencer, LB/DE, Purdue -- Even though the Patriots signed Adalius Thomas, Spencer makes plays and is a long-term answer opposite Thomas.

the detroit trade makes the most sense assuming the raiders are so in love with russell they leave all that value on the board. detroit could land either quinn or thomas, so moving down to 4 is a no lose situation for them. if steelers do move down, i think it would be good to swap with the giants in a reversal of last years move and use the additional pick to move up in the 2nd, or possibly even gain an additional 2nd which could be huge with the players still left on the board.

anyone see any juicy draft day trades happening?

Suitanim
03-20-2007, 07:47 PM
If the Browns were smart, they'd trade their pick for more value. They've been as active in FA as anyone, and they've ****ed up almost all their first round picks over the years anyway...

Livinginthe past
03-20-2007, 07:57 PM
Ah, I love speculation about draft day trades - its often better than the actual draft.

I really see the Redskins trading down - they have alot of needs and a straight forward way of addressing them.

Bucs Up/Lions Down trade makes alot of sense - which means it probably wont happen.
The Lions would be huge winners - looking at draft pick value charts they could ask for another 2nd and a 4th or maybe even a 2nd and a 3rd - just to move down 2 places and get the guy they want anyway.

I see the Bills doing whatever it takes to land Peterson - if that means trading up then so be it.

The Steelers are a tough one to predict - there is a base of talent in the current 53 that makes them likely contenders for the postseason - if Cowher was still coach I would have said they would go for the elite prospect they like the most at 15.

Now that Tomlin, with the rumored 4-3, is running the show you have to think multiple picks are the way to go to help the transition.

I'd go along with Tony - Pittsburgh to look for trade partner to move down.

The Patriots really could move either way - the obvious team need is ILB but I doubt there is anyone within reach who is worth trading up for and the fact we dont have a 2nd rounder will be a factor.

WR's could start disppearing in clumps in the early 20's so a WR short team may want to trade up from the top of the 2nd into the latter part of the 1st to get one - lets say Cleveland, Miami or Oakland.

The Packers will be looking for a RB - they'll make a move for the 2nd or 3rd guy off the board if they have to.

Bronco's could do with an impact pass rusher - I don't see a need to trade up to get one.
Plenty of tweeners available at this point.

One other team that might like to move up is the Ravens who remain desperate for offensive playmakers.

tony hipchest
03-20-2007, 07:57 PM
If the Browns were smart, they'd trade their pick for more value. They've been as active in FA as anyone, and they've ****ed up almost all their first round picks over the years anyway...thats what i find inriguing about this years draft. if johnson did happen to fall to them they could draft his rights and possibly get more for him than if oakland or detroit did. i think they get most value for that pick if they wait till draftday to see what the other 2 teams do. that #3 pick is worth so much more with c. johnson on the board than it is with him off.

Suitanim
03-20-2007, 08:16 PM
thats what i find inriguing about this years draft. if johnson did happen to fall to them they could draft his rights and possibly get more for him than if oakland or detroit did. i think they get most value for that pick if they wait till draftday to see what the other 2 teams do. that #3 pick is worth so much more with c. johnson on the board than it is with him off.

It'll be interesting, for sure...but I bet it'll play out like it does almost every other year, and the top 10 teams just make their picks...

tony hipchest
03-20-2007, 08:54 PM
It'll be interesting, for sure...but I bet it'll play out like it does almost every other year, and the top 10 teams just make their picks...the glazers and gruden are praying for this. better to get the best player in the draft for a #4 pick alone and #4 pick money. but it makes me wonder... to they covet him so bad or are they just falling in love with the idea that if the teams above them may draft according to need and logic he falls into their lap.

the worst thing for the raiders or detroit (or even cleveland) would be to draft calvin and the bucs call their bluff and say "nah, we dont really want him. we'll trade down and take okoye" :jawdrop:

I really see the Redskins trading down - they have alot of needs and a straight forward way of addressing them.
the washington scenario is interesting cause its definitely time they get rather than give and because of the early speculation about them wanting dre bly and denver wanting ledell betts (despite getting henry). theres no telling what denver will do, ever. they want a DE after losing out on henry and what if say g. adams is passed on by arizona. washington could be sitting pretty and have a partner to dance with.

ive seen pitt, nygiants, eagles, and patriots as possible landing spots for paul poz. 15 could be too high but they take a gamble moving down if they really want him and the giants do too. last year it was speculated the giants wanted s. holmes, but were willing to settle for s. moss. i wonder if theres an agreement to make movement between 2 teams, if the giants would have to tell the steelers they werent gonna snag their guy.

Livinginthe past
03-20-2007, 10:05 PM
ive seen pitt, nygiants, eagles, and patriots as possible landing spots for paul poz. 15 could be too high but they take a gamble moving down if they really want him and the giants do too. last year it was speculated the giants wanted s. holmes, but were willing to settle for s. moss. i wonder if theres an agreement to make movement between 2 teams, if the giants would have to tell the steelers they werent gonna snag their guy.

I bet there are FO's that are on particularly friendly terms with each other, especially AFC/NFC combo's.

It been rumored that Chicago and New England have a good relationship - but im not sure if that has any real mileage this year.

tony hipchest
03-20-2007, 10:45 PM
the rooneys definitely got good relations with all the old school owners (well maybe not al davis). if they did do a deal with a team i think both parties would know the intentions. their most recent trades were with w. mara's giants and l. hunts chiefs. id be much more skeptical if they were dealing with the newbie owners like blank, snyder or *gasp* kraft.

most teams know what theyre getting when dealing with the steelers and that they are fair. steelers not putting a poison pill in their attempt to acquire the 49ers punter is a fine example. the 49ers still owe the steelers for negotiating a very favorable deal for them and im sure those favors might be re paid when a draft day maneuver is proposed.

it seems most teams are hesitant to trade in fear of missing out on something or making the wrong decision, but with denver being bold enough to trade for cutler when they still had plummer in place, some teams eyes may have been opened that its ok to take a chance and not be anchored to players already on ones roster.

BettisFan
03-21-2007, 12:22 AM
wait so its true the falcons might trade vick..wow

Livinginthe past
03-21-2007, 07:06 AM
the rooneys definitely got good relations with all the old school owners (well maybe not al davis). if they did do a deal with a team i think both parties would know the intentions. their most recent trades were with w. mara's giants and l. hunts chiefs. id be much more skeptical if they were dealing with the newbie owners like blank, snyder or *gasp* kraft.

most teams know what theyre getting when dealing with the steelers and that they are fair. steelers not putting a poison pill in their attempt to acquire the 49ers punter is a fine example. the 49ers still owe the steelers for negotiating a very favorable deal for them and im sure those favors might be re paid when a draft day maneuver is proposed.

it seems most teams are hesitant to trade in fear of missing out on something or making the wrong decision, but with denver being bold enough to trade for cutler when they still had plummer in place, some teams eyes may have been opened that its ok to take a chance and not be anchored to players already on ones roster.

Well, out of the 32 teams in the NFL a grand total of two have actually utilised the poison pill and exactly zero have used it this year - so I wouldn't say the Steelers were doing anything out of the ordinary.

I don't think re-signing a no-name punter was the top of the 49ers priorities this year anyhow - maybe they'll throw Rooney a 7th rounder for being such a 'good guy'.

I look forward to seeing what favors the Dolphins do us this year.

If teams are a little bolder this year then it should make for an exciting couple of days.

Dynasty
03-21-2007, 09:48 PM
Well the Falcons have moved up 2 spots in the first due to the Matt Schaub Trade.

SteelShooter
03-21-2007, 10:13 PM
......................I just can't wait to see how this plays out.

Man, this is the part of the season I hate the most. All of the mystery, the rumors..................the possibilities.

Gut-wrenching!

SteelCzar76
03-21-2007, 10:34 PM
Deductive reasoning would say to me that they are trying to position themselves to pick Calvin Johnson by moving ahead of the Bucs.

Suitanim
03-22-2007, 07:35 PM
The Falcons just traded their best QB away for draft picks.

In the words of the Soup Nazi: "No Super Bowl for you! 8 years!" (The remainder of Vick's incredibly stupid contract)

tony hipchest
04-11-2007, 07:41 PM
the more i look at the players, mock drafts have us taking, the more i think we need to move down rather than reach to fill a need. (i think perceived cb needs can be filled in a later round). here are our best (and most potential) trading partners:

saints and jets- the #15 has alot of value cause it could probably be for the top cb in this years draft, a player who may have top 10 rankings on alot of teams boards. any team looking for secondary help will like #15 whether they want a cb or a safety. both the jets and saints have shown interrest in high priced patriot cb's who come with tags. rather than pay a ransom (high draft picks) and take on a potential salary disaster, both these teams are better served just to give up those picks and take the best cb on the board with a much lower salary.

san diego- san diego could want to move up for either a safety or a wr and with #15 they could easilly land the 2nd rated one on most teams boards.

giants- while there is last years connection, i think many of the players they target could easilly fall to them whether it be a wr or lb. while i thought they would be a likely dancing partner i now think it would be a longshot and foolish for them to trade with us.

patriots- i dont even think this is a possibility but the trove of football rumor, PFT, seems to think the steelers are gonna swap 15 for 24 just to help them out. patriots dont have a 2nd. the only way this trade could possibly happen is if the steelers swapped their 1st and 2nd for both of the patriots 1sts.

other than these 5 i would think any steelers downward trade would be out of the blue. at this point i think the jets and saints really need to be on the phone w/ colbert before they do something stupid like the seahawks did last year.

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 01:03 PM
lets dance with dallas. #15 for #22 and their 2nd:

jerry jones-feel like that we could line up and play with the players that we have before the draft. ... We do not have to have a player at a position," said Jones, who is preparing for his 19th NFL draft. "That gives me a lot of flexibility in any decision that I may make as we get into the draft."

So does having 10 picks, though there is one small problem: The Cowboys, who haven't won a playoff game in 10 seasons, have the 22nd spot Saturday.

"Bill didn't do us any favors," Jones said, smiling. "He left us with a low draft pick."

Without a specifically pressing need and with a few extra picks, Jones may try to move up to get an impact player, preferably on the offensive side of the ball.

"I'm looking at the possibility of, and probably more seriously consider it than I ever have, doing some bundling up (of picks) and trading up," Jones said. "We do have our bases covered, so if there were a player we could reach -- big if, big if -- that could come in and make the obvious impact, then that should be a consideration."


kevin colbert-There are indications the Steelers will use their top pick (No. 15 overall) on a defensive player, and they are interested in trading down in the first round for extra picks since the draft, as Colbert said, is pretty deep.

"We feel good about where we are at 15, but this isn't a bad year to be a little bit lower, too," Colbert said. "We wish we had more than nine picks, quite honestly, because we could really help ourselves.

"This is probably a good draft where more picks midway through (it) is probably a good thing because there are a lot of good players that are going to be available in those three-, four-round areas, so that could be interesting to us."


the 2 gm's are speaking the same language here. i like this idea cause we still have the option of trading #22 to the jets, saints or patriots for their 1st and an aditional 3rd or 4th. not bad for #15.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2007, 01:15 PM
Tony..you may have struck oil there in Texas.....Cowboy Guard Marco Rivera is coming off his second herniated disk surgery...and is said that he will never have the power and the quickness that he once had....What are the odds that we can get #22 for Faneca and a couple of other picks?

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 01:28 PM
Tony..you may have struck oil there in Texas.....Cowboy Guard Marco Rivera is coming off his second herniated disk surgery...and is said that he will never have the power and the quickness that he once had....What are the odds that we can get #22 for Faneca and a couple of other picks?wow. i was just thinking about picks, but that would be just fine. we could still deal our #15 to a team that desperately wants to take the 1st cb off the board. possibly take staley at #22. dallas wouldnt incur any cap hit cause i think faneca is cheaper than rivera whom they could cut.

-brilliant! :cheers:

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 01:44 PM
about a month ago i valued faneca as equal to matt schaub. if both were thrown into this years draft class they would go right in the middle of the 1st round #15. kirwan supported this on his radio show 2 days ago valuing faneca as 2 2nd rounders (the 2 2nd rounders schaub brought the falcons = pick 15 on the draft value chart)

dallas would have to give up about the same to either acquire faneca or our #15 pick.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2007, 01:47 PM
about a month ago i valued faneca as equal to matt schaub. if both were thrown into this years draft class they would go right in the middle of the 1st round #15. kirwan supported this on his radio show 2 days ago valuing faneca as 2 2nd rounders (the 2 2nd rounders schaub brought the falcons = pick 15 on the draft value chart)

dallas would have to give up about the same to either acquire faneca or our #15 pick.

So...maybe #22..and a third?

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 02:03 PM
So...maybe #22..and a third? i personally valued faneca at #15 which is 1050 pts on the value chart. dallas 1st and 2nd equal 1140 if my math serves me right. we should hold out for that. however, dallas 1st, 3rd, and 4th actually bring that number closer to 1050. it depends on what colbert values faneca at.

you have fanecas resignablity playing against his 6 consecutive pro bowls. theres no way the draft pick value chart can take them things into consideration.

dallas' 1st and their 3rd would be a very happy medium, and the way jerry jones is itching to make a sb run and itching to wheel and deal, may be an offer too god for him to pass up, even if its for 1 year.

to have arizona and dallas bidding against eachother for fanecas services would be a dream scenario.

im getting pumped! :jammin:

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2007, 02:11 PM
i personally valued faneca at #15 which is 1050 pts on the value chart. dallas 1st and 2nd equal 1140 if my math serves me right. we should hold out for that. however, dallas 1st, 3rd, and 4th actually bring that number closer to 1050. it depends on what colbert values faneca at.

you have fanecas resignablity playing against his 6 consecutive pro bowls. theres no way the draft pick value chart can take them things into consideration.

dallas' 1st and their 3rd would be a very happy medium, and the way jerry jones is itching to make a sb run and itching to wheel and deal, may be an offer too god for him to pass up, even if its for 1 year.

to have arizona and dallas bidding against eachother for fanecas services would be a dream scenario.

im getting pumped! :jammin:

..and dont forget Atlanta!!!!

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 02:24 PM
..and dont forget Atlanta!!!!great point. they have 2 2nd rounders and could essentially turn matt schaub into alan faneca. great value on their part.

how bad do you think seattle wishes they could get in on this? getting swindled out of hutchinson and overpaying for branch and burleson makes them look "stupider and stupider" by the day.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2007, 02:45 PM
great point. they have 2 2nd rounders and could essentially turn matt schaub into alan faneca. great value on their part.

how bad do you think seattle wishes they could get in on this? getting swindled out of hutchinson and overpaying for branch and burleson makes them look "stupider and stupider" by the day.

Well..its really not Holmgrens fault you know....I'm sure he has filed a complaint with the commisioner on how he was cheated out of draft picks:dang:

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 02:52 PM
Well..its really not Holmgrens fault you know....I'm sure he has filed a complaint with the commisioner on how he was cheated out of draft picks:dang:

"poisnon pill... *cough,cough,choke,choke* hard to swallow...*gag* d. branch is a top 5 wr...*puke* nate burleson = randy moss....hometown hero... *croak*".

tony hipchest
04-25-2007, 03:08 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6737832

It's the season of the trade rumor. And with the draft this weekend, separating fact from fiction is tough to do.

Here's a few deals we would make.

Alan Faneca to the Cardinals
Schein's Spot


Faneca, who I believe will be looked at as a potential Hall of Famer player when he retires, is a free agent at the end of the 2007 campaign. He currently isn't working out with his teammates in Pittsburgh. Faneca not only wants more money, he is still a bit raw that the club hired Mike Tomlin as opposed to his old position coach Russ Grimm or old offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt.

Well, Whisenhunt is now coaching the Cardinals and brought Grimm along with him to turn around the Arizona offensive line.

And with guards now making tackle money the last few years in free agency (Steve Hutchinson, Derrick Dockery, Eric Steinbach, Kris Dielman), Faneca is going to get paid handsomely next year. And it's not the Steelers way to pay him.

It's a new era for Steelers football with Tomlin. And it's obvious that Faneca isn't thrilled to be a part. And with his contract up, combined with the market for guards, the chances are slim to none that Faneca plays for the 2008 Steelers.

I'd trade Faneca to the Cardinals for a second rounder this year and next year. With that high second-round pick, I'd take Ryan Kalil.

And from an Arizona perspective, it's time to win. You didn't hire Whisenhunt to rebuild. The talent is there. The deal would vastly improve the offensive line. And in talking to scouts, they believe Faneca has 4-5 years left playing at the clip he's at right now.

The Cardinals would be guaranteed to get either Gaines Adams or Joe Thomas in round 1, with an all-pro guard being their second-round pick.
llt, theres also a quentin moses spot in this link:

Quentin Moses knows his stock dropped during a disappointing season. That doesn't matter. He just wants to get into the NFL and show what he can do.
Blog: Schein tackles the NFL
E-mail: adamjschein@hotmail.com
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lamberts-lost-tooth
04-25-2007, 03:49 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6737832

llt, theres also a quentin moses spot in this link:

Quentin Moses knows his stock dropped during a disappointing season. That doesn't matter. He just wants to get into the NFL and show what he can do.


I GOT YOUR BACK QUENTIN!!!!!!!!!!