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Buzz05
04-03-2007, 08:53 AM
Story taken from ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2822035&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1


Who is the best defensive player in the NFL?

Eric Allen: Champ Bailey gets my vote for top defensive player in a tight race over Shawne Merriman. It's amazing to watch Bailey play the same position that I played. He doesn't dominate because he's physically better than his opposition, but because he has worked on his technique and put in the time in the film room. He not only dominates the other team's No. 1 receiver from 20-yard line to 20-yard line, but he gets better in the red zone. That's the sign of a truly great cornerback. Bailey gets better in the red zone where a quarterback can throw to a spot for a touchdown or a receiver can get just enough space to make a play that can devastate a team.

John Clayton: Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has emerged as the game's best defender last season. Merriman was suspended for four games last season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Despite that, he had 17 sacks. The league hasn't seen a pass-rushing threat like Merriman since Lawrence Taylor. Merriman brings the pass-rushing skills of Taylor along with the on-the-field energy of Junior Seau. The NFL has a tight race for the top defender with Merriman competing against Jason Taylor of the Dolphins, Champ Bailey for the Broncos and Brian Urlacher of the Bears every year.

Jeremy Green: There are many great defensive players in the NFL. However, when you talk about the best, you have to talk about a player that changes the game. He has to be a guy that an offense has to game plan for. A guy that keeps offensive coordinators up at night.

In my opinion that player is Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. He can play on the right and left side. He is a dominating pass rusher who has to be double teamed on a consistent basis. What makes Peppers special though is that he is equally effective against the run. He is excellent playing the run at the point of attack and can also chase laterally and make plays down the line of scrimmage.

Peppers is a player that you have to build your game plan around. He can line up all over the defensive front and needs constant attention. That attention frees up other players. He is a player that dominates on a weekly basis and makes everyone around him better. To me that defines being the best defensive player in the NFL.

Len Pasquarelli: Because quarterbacks generally avoid throwing in the direction of Champ Bailey, no defender in the NFL gets fewer chances for big plays than the Denver Broncos' seven-time Pro Bowl cornerback. And no defender takes advantage of more of his chances to alter a game. Bailey is the closest thing to a true shutdown corner the league has seen since Deion Sanders was in his prime. At a position where it's difficult to dominate, Bailey does. Blessed with incredible instincts and great hands, Bailey tied for the NFL high in 2006 with 10 interceptions and has 18 of his 39 career pickoffs the last two seasons. How good is that? There are eight modern-era cornerbacks in the Hall of Fame and none ever had more than 17 interceptions over a two-season stretch.

Sean Salisbury: I'm going with Jason Taylor, the defending NFL defensive player of the year. Sure, Merriman probably had better stats and Bailey plays the sexier position, but Taylor means more to his team. I'm excited to see him play with Joey Porter this season. Taylor has the ability to play with his hand down or upright as well or better than pretty much any player in the league. He does a tremendous job of making big plays and confusing opposing quarterbacks. Quarterbacks simply have no idea what he's going to do and where he's going to line up.

Joe Theismann: The best defensive player in the league is Merriman. His stats are straight out of a video game and he has quickly become the most feared defensive player in the league. He's done a great job of combining his intelligence with his amazing physical gifts to become as close to the perfect linebacker as you can get. He's going to dominate for years to come and may end up with the sack record before it's all over.




Why is it when coaches talk about Troy and what he brings to the game all they seem to do is drool over this guy. And even before the games the media guys say how amazing he is and versatile he is in the defensive back field. If in fact he is as amazing as they say, and we all know he is, then why doesnt his name ever come up in these conversations? Is it because he not a flashy trash talking player and generally keeps to himself and rarely does interviews like these other guys. Im not saying the players mentioned here are just flash in the pan players, but I would take Troy over any of these guys any day. With maybe the exception of Merriman, Troy is the only one who can change the outlook of the game just by doing what he does.

I knew Theismann would never say anything good about the Steelers, but then again I would also compare Theismann to a flaming bag of dog poo.

83-Steelers-43
04-03-2007, 09:07 AM
With maybe the exception of Merriman,

Let's see if that's the case this season when his body has a full offseason minus the roids. I'm not stating the guy's career is going bottom out, but it's something I will follow with curiosity.

As for Troy. I think coming off an 8-8 season and a pass defense that wasn't exactly stellar may have something to do with the choices. That's my only explanation.

Then again, Baltimore Raven fans could say the same when dealing with Ed Reed and I believe they have more of a legitimate beef than we do pertaining to this situation. Better record and Reed put up better numbers than Troy.

Atlanta Dan
04-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Troy had a down year in 2006 and is regarded as being somewhat undisciplined in pass coverage.

That does not mean he is not a great player, but his stock is down somewhat since his transcendent playoff run of Bengals/Colts/Broncos (he was dinged up for the SB).

I am somewhat amused by the love for Merriman; he had a great 2006, but let's see how he plays if he gets off the juice. At least the name Ray Lewis is no longer in the conversation when best defensive player is brought up.

Buzz05
04-03-2007, 09:16 AM
Let's see if that's the case this season when his body has a full offseason minus the roids. I'm not stating the guy's career is going bottom out, but it's something I will follow with curiosity.

As for Troy. I think coming off an 8-8 season and a pass defense that wasn't exactly stellar may have something to do with the choices. That's my only explanation.

Then again, Baltimore Raven fans could say the same when dealing with Ed Reed and I believe they have more of a legitimate beef than we do pertaining to this situation. Better record and Reed put up better numbers than Troy.

Ed Reed I could see having a legitimate case for being up there. I would just like Troy to get some of the recognition he deserves is all. As for Merriman I dont know what to think about this guy...I like his passion and enthusiasm but I hate the fact he took roids and of course tried to cover it up by saying 'he didnt know.'

Personally I think Champ might be a little over rated, remember when ben pump faked him out of jock...I do! Jason Taylor I like and cant say anything against.

RoethlisBURGHer
04-03-2007, 09:20 AM
JT is a beast,best DE in the league no doubt.Merriman is a beast,with or without 'roids.Champ Bailey is the best coverage corner in the league.

Troy was hurt for a good chunk of the year and played hurt,so that hurt him in something like this.

tony hipchest
04-03-2007, 09:31 AM
Personally I think Champ might be a little over rated, remember when ben pump faked him out of jock...I do! Jason Taylor I like and cant say anything against.a cb getting pump faked a time or 2 doesnt really mean much. it comes with the territory, especially for an aggressive playmaking cb. i remember ben trying to go to the well twice last year and getting burnt by champ.

then there was the great rod woodson looking silly and getting juked out of his knee ligaments trying to tackle barry sanders. even the best get beat and champ is definitely the best out there. troy has a bit to go to impact the games the way champ does.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Troy had a down year in 2006 and is regarded as being somewhat undisciplined in pass coverage.

That does not mean he is not a great player, but his stock is down somewhat since his transcendent playoff run of Bengals/Colts/Broncos (he was dinged up for the SB).

I am somewhat amused by the love for Merriman; he had a great 2006, but let's see how he plays if he gets off the juice. At least the name Ray Lewis is no longer in the conversation when best defensive player is brought up.

Didnt want that statement to go unnoticed.....:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

ARKIESTEEL
04-03-2007, 10:14 AM
Didnt want that statement to go unnoticed.....:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Glad that you noticed that it went unnoticed :dang:

19ward86
04-03-2007, 10:32 AM
troy isnt used like merriman or like champ bailey, troy is a different breed. he is amazing but he isnt the adrian wilson getting 120 tackles a year or a brian urlacher getting 175 tackles a year, but he does the intangables(spelling?).troy is the best at doing what he does.

memphissteelergirl
04-03-2007, 11:20 AM
Personally, I don't give much credibility to TV analysts because they all have their personal prejudices and preferences. We all know what kind of player Troy is, but, like the rest the rest of the team, he had a sub-par year and he played hurt besides. I look for Troy to be back to form next season and make the "talking heads" eat some crow sammiches once again.

:tt02: :tt02:

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-03-2007, 11:24 AM
Glad that you noticed that it went unnoticed :dang:

..and thank you for noticing my noticing what went unnoticed:ididwhat:

steelerbackr4life
04-03-2007, 11:43 AM
The only people I really care about recognizing Troy are those on the opposing teams after he wreaks havoc on them.

RoethlisBURGHer
04-03-2007, 11:44 AM
Personally, I don't give much credibility to TV analysts because they all have their personal prejudices and preferences. We all know what kind of player Troy is, but, like the rest the rest of the team, he had a sub-par year and he played hurt besides. I look for Troy to be back to form next season and make the "talking heads" eat some crow sammiches once again.

:tt02: :tt02:

True,how often do we get praised by guys that played against us and got roughed up?It's very rare.Boomer Esiason bashes the Steelers all the time because he was a Bungal.

Buzz05
04-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Troy did have a sub par year with his injuries so him getting an accolade probably wont happen this offseason. Not to mention our lack luster 8-8 season. But I guess it could be worse...We could all be Bungle fans...:tt02:

HometownGal
04-03-2007, 12:01 PM
We all know what Troy has done and can do, as do his teammates, coaches and opponents. Who gives a rat's patoot what a bunch of has-been ****roaches think?

TackleMeBen
04-03-2007, 12:16 PM
We all know what Troy has done and can do, as do his teammates, coaches and opponents. Who gives a rat's patoot what a bunch of has-been ****roaches think?

:iagree:

ChronoCross
04-03-2007, 12:56 PM
Kinda nit picking again. Just because they do not mention one of our players to not mentioning the Steelers does not mean anything. When you want to say they do not show the Steelers lover are a Steelers player love, make sure there name is mentioned in a article, and there downing them. This is just nit picking again just like when someone posted the thiesman article and there was nothing about the Steelers in it. When you get a real article with them actually putting down the steelers to a steelers player, then post something about were the loves at, instead of coming with some nit picking on a article were analyst talk about players they like.

OneForTheToe
04-03-2007, 02:06 PM
We all know what Troy has done and can do, as do his teammates, coaches and opponents. Who gives a rat's patoot what a bunch of has-been ****roaches think?

"rats patoot" ... I think I ate some of that from the buffet line at lunch. :nurse:


Until Troy signs a new contract, I'm all for down playing his skill an impact. Come on Troy..... you know you're just above average. Sign here _____________________.

:dollar: :dollar: :dollar: :dollar: :dollar: :dollar: :dollar:

GBMelBlount
04-03-2007, 08:01 PM
Troy is great player. Has his subpar season last year affected what he may get offered in a new agreement? From what I had read, it didn't sound like it was affecting his value much. True?

Blitzburger
04-03-2007, 10:12 PM
As for Troy. I think coming off an 8-8 season and a pass defense that wasn't exactly stellar may have something to do with the choices. That's my only explanation.

Then again, Baltimore Raven fans could say the same when dealing with Ed Reed and I believe they have more of a legitimate beef than we do pertaining to this situation. Better record and Reed put up better numbers than Troy

All of these players, Peppers, Merimman, Urlacher, Reed, Bailey, can dominate a game, but I don't think personal stats have too much to do with the treality of footbal, especially on the defensive side. The important thing is their impact on opposing Offense and their position IN THEIR TEAM'S SCHEME

-- Troy doesn't have crazy numbers or a flashy personality, but he's not asked to put up huge numbers, he's supposed to confuse the reads of a quarterback with robber-zones, stuff the run, and pick up tight ends. His impact is the other guy's lack of stats. Bailey is the same, but he gets press because of the trades he's been involved in. Only analaysts care about stats, (real) players, like Troy, just want results.

GBMelBlount
04-03-2007, 11:52 PM
All of these players, Peppers, Merimman, Urlacher, Reed, Bailey, can dominate a game, but I don't think personal stats have too much to do with the treality of footbal, especially on the defensive side. The important thing is their impact on opposing Offense and their position IN THEIR TEAM'S SCHEME

-- Troy doesn't have crazy numbers or a flashy personality, but he's not asked to put up huge numbers, he's supposed to confuse the reads of a quarterback with robber-zones, stuff the run, and pick up tight ends. His impact is the other guy's lack of stats. Bailey is the same, but he gets press because of the trades he's been involved in. Only analaysts care about stats, (real) players, like Troy, just want results.

Maybe Troy didn't have crazy stats. Can you make the argument that average stats equal sub par season or can you say that stats mean very little in this case? I think it means he had a sub par season.. I may be wrong . Are there things that Troy does that are non quantifiable on his stats that are positives.... what do you think?

Elvis
04-04-2007, 12:12 AM
troy isnt used like merriman or like champ bailey, troy is a different breed. he is amazing but he isnt the adrian wilson getting 120 tackles a year or a brian urlacher getting 175 tackles a year, but he does the intangables(spelling?).troy is the best at doing what he does.
I agree with all. But Troy at SS shouldnt make that many tackles or the front 7 definitely is Not Doing Their Jobs...
John 3:16
Elvis

Preacher
04-04-2007, 12:36 AM
Actually...

No safety should make that list... Think of the name of the position itself!!

I would be ashamed to have Troy on the list, because it would mean that either my LB's or CB's did such a horrible job, that Troy would have to be involved in almost every play over the last few years.

Yeah, our LB's and CB's need help. But thank goodness Troy isn't on the list.

polamalufan43
04-04-2007, 03:19 PM
Well, I don't understand the whole Merriman thing, but oh well, I don't get paid to say this stuff, so I won't say it. Honestly, if this were any other season but the last one, I'd say that Troy would have been high on that list. Unfortunately, if the team does bad because off one or two players, then the entire team looks bad. In our case, there were a few players ie. Willie Parker, who IMHO did outstanding. And then, there were others who plain and simple, sucked ie. Roethlisberger, entire O-line, Jeff Reed.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Blitzburger
04-04-2007, 04:21 PM
Maybe Troy didn't have crazy stats. Can you make the argument that average stats equal sub par season or can you say that stats mean very little in this case? I think it means he had a sub par season.. I may be wrong . Are there things that Troy does that are non quantifiable on his stats that are positives.... what do you think?

I don't think Troy had the best season, along with most of the team. They got the fumble-itus early, then alot of guys got hurt, and they never recovered. BUT I do think that for all defenders, especially in the secondary, stats are largely unimportant. I agree with everyone else who said it would look pretty bad for our LBs if Troy and had to make too many tackles, though him and the rest of the secodary are asked to come up in run support.

I just think too many people on t.v. and such (those dreaded 'analysts') put too much emphasis on ststs and individual play - the beauty about football, at least for me, is that it requires more than any other sport that everyone plays together and performs their own role within a larger system. That's why Troy is one of the best defenders in football, becauue of his versatile and imortant role within the team and in LeBeua's schemes.

Give the man some love!!!

fansince'76
04-04-2007, 04:46 PM
Troy is one of the top 3 safeties in the league (Ed Reed and Roy Williams being the other 2) and is by far the best DB we've had at any position since Woodson. I certainly don't need any sportswriter to tell me this.

Da'Burgh
04-04-2007, 09:55 PM
This may be a little off-topic, but 19ward86, I don't like your avatar. I don't like Palmer, but glorifying an injury that could have been career ending is not cool, and not what Steeler fans are about in my eyes.

sumo
04-04-2007, 10:05 PM
Troy is the best defensive player in the NFL when he is healthy - unfortunately, the NFL is all about 'now" as in what have you done this season - Troy's biggest problem - in my view - is with concussions - the guy accelerates and closes quicker than anybody in the league - the downside to that is the collisions are violent - I hope he is working on his technique this off season - If he can make a few adjustments and stop leading with his head so much, he will be back on top next year and his career will last longer...

GBMelBlount
04-04-2007, 10:11 PM
This may be a little off-topic, but 19ward86, I don't like your avatar. I don't like Palmer, but glorifying an injury that could have been career ending is not cool, and not what Steeler fans are about in my eyes.

Never noticed that. IMHO, 19ward86 is entitled to post whatever he wants. I am glad he is a brother. I don't like the Bunguls at all. I think they are classless. Do I prefer to focus on the Steeler positives, yes, there are a million! I love to know what amazing things people love about the Steelers. If you have a great Steelers thought, great! I am working on one myself. But it is his/her decision. :tt02:

polamalufan43
04-05-2007, 06:54 AM
Troy is one of the top 3 safeties in the league (Ed Reed and Roy Williams being the other 2) and is by far the best DB we've had at any position since Woodson. I certainly don't need any sportswriter to tell me this.

:iagree:

that's the thing though, sportswriters IMHO are really focused on stats more than actual plays.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

SteelerFanInTX210
04-05-2007, 06:02 PM
This upsets me as well, analysts have Troy ranked up there with Ed Reed, if not better, and Ed Reed won Defensive player of the year recently on a consistantly stacked Ravens D. Joe well hes Joe hes a hater, he got his ass handed to him and hes a hater, thats all i have to say about that. Go TROY......

ps the steelers need to hurry up and sign him to a damn deal there starting to worry me, there being shisty.

William Munney
04-05-2007, 06:15 PM
I think Troy is one of the best. And there is no doubt the Steelers should extend him. He's a playmaker, just like Joey was and hopefully Ike and Anothey Smith will be.

Blitzburger
04-05-2007, 09:22 PM
Troy is one of the top 3 safeties in the league (Ed Reed and Roy Williams being the other 2) and is by far the best DB we've had at any position since Woodson. I certainly don't need any sportswriter to tell me this.

Ed Reed is awesome, but I take exception with Roy Williams. He's a hack -- he's an undersized linebacker playing out of position. He should be an exclusively Special Teams guy, where he'd dominate because he wouldn't have to worry about playing the ball, just about hitting people. There really aren't that many outstanding safeties around, besides Troy, Reed, Mike Doss. Even Lynch has lost a step, and is now just a hitter like williams. Of course, don't forget about Chris Hope!!!

GBMelBlount
04-05-2007, 09:57 PM
This upsets me as well, analysts have Troy ranked up there with Ed Reed, if not better, and Ed Reed won Defensive player of the year recently on a consistantly stacked Ravens D. Joe well hes Joe hes a hater, he got his ass handed to him and hes a hater, thats all i have to say about that. Go TROY......

ps the steelers need to hurry up and sign him to a damn deal there starting to worry me, there being shisty.

SFIT210. Agreed, let's hope we can lock him up at a price we can afford!.....Smith 6.8 mil...ugh!!!!!

WWIIOwheelz
04-05-2007, 10:52 PM
Troy had his bell rung last season & got beaten badly, late in the season, a couple of times in single-man coverage. It pained me to see it, but it happened, sadly.

I hope he can shake that off, am pretty sure he will. 2 weeks in a row, I think, but I saw one time live, on Christmas Eve against the Ravens. It was ugly :( I think their highlight was playing spoiler to the Bungles, last season. The Ravens game, they didn't play.

SteelCityMan786
04-06-2007, 12:29 AM
They'll have to bow down to Troy as one of the best if not the best Defensive player in the league once we win our next Super Bowl.

isgill88
04-09-2007, 08:08 AM
Troy will be back at his brilliant best next season.

polamalufan43
04-09-2007, 10:16 AM
Troy will be back at his brilliant best next season.

Hopefully, although I'll agree w/ some I'm starting to get little anxious about the signing, *happy thoughts, happy thoughts*

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

steelcity58
04-10-2007, 10:24 PM
Champ Bailey is over-rated.

Merriman will be a who the hell was that guy within 4 years...flash in the pan.

GBMelBlount
04-10-2007, 10:34 PM
Troy had his bell rung last season & got beaten badly, late in the season, a couple of times in single-man coverage. It pained me to see it, but it happened, sadly.

I hope he can shake that off, am pretty sure he will. 2 weeks in a row, I think, but I saw one time live, on Christmas Eve against the Ravens. It was ugly :( I think their highlight was playing spoiler to the Bungles, last season. The Ravens game, they didn't play.

CRAP!!!!!!! Same thing with Ben. If Fully recoverd. Potentially top 2-3 in the league. I have no reason to doubt 43 won't be fully recovered & one of top 2-3 in the league! Let's pray we can pay him!

Avoid LLoyd1975
04-19-2007, 08:44 PM
This is communist.

Hamer
04-20-2007, 04:07 PM
I knew Theismann would never say anything good about the Steelers, but then again I would also compare Theismann to a flaming bag of dog poo.

I didn't want that comment to go unnoticed, either! Theismann's one of the worst broadcasters ever. A guy who regularly talks out of his fecal-matter ejector.