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steelcity58
04-10-2007, 09:32 PM
Either by trade or draft...the Steelers need to quit looking at 5'11 198 lb running backs,
and get a good sized, (6'0...6'2..190-210) WR...without the cornrow thug attitude
of Plaxico.

You could tell Ben missed the security of Plaxico...since alot of Ben's plays are improv'd
and duh...not practiced throwing routes and timing all the time.

He needs a target for when he needs to fly by the seat of the pants.

Don't need another Holmes...who relies on his niftyness and runs routes...but offers little
else.

TE's are too scarce to get a good one...one better than they already have anyway.

GBMelBlount
04-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Your right, with how solid our o-line is? we need another 1st round pick in addition to Santonio (worht the trade up?) and Heath "Glorified Blocker" Miller. Actually I am kidding. Receivers much bett4er in draft this year! But I wouod think more likely mid/ later round. I thik we have much greater needs O-line, maybe LB, DE, outside pick maybe at CB & many have put RB before WR. Could we improve WR yes, not high on my list. Regardless of our need SC58, good points.

tony hipchest
04-10-2007, 10:06 PM
i said it once and i'll say it again-

do you really want one in the 1st round?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=6366&highlight=round

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-10-2007, 10:08 PM
i said it once and i'll say it again-

do you really want one in the 1st round?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=6366&highlight=round

Nope.....nuff said

ChronoCross
04-10-2007, 11:02 PM
nope..

Borski
04-10-2007, 11:02 PM
there are much higher needs then WR or RB that need to be addressed

Zachygrahm
04-11-2007, 12:29 AM
Not only are there much more pressing needs than WR, people overrate the value of having a "big" WR. When was the last time a team won the super bowl with a "big" WR? maybe the bucs in 02 with keyshawn, prior to that you could say rod smith on the broncos, and maybe before that you would have to go all the way back to micheal irvin.
Irvin was arguably the only "big" WR you could actually have considered a major factor in the games that were played. Has TO ever won a championship? Randy Moss? Plaxico Burress? The jags have nothing but "big" wideouts, looks like that is working out for them really well. The most effective WR's in this league are the ones who understand routes, run them crisply and have the speed burst to create seperation after the cuts. i.e. Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Deion Branch, Torry Holt, Terry Glenn, and soon to be on this list is Santonio Holmes. Holmes fits the exact mold of wideout that we need. Arians knew that, and I would assume that he was pivotal in the choice. In the final game of the season, against the bengals, holmes made the winning catch on a short slant. He saw the seam, created the seperation and sprinted 67 yards to the endzone. Plax could never have done that. As far as Ben missing Plax, statistically he was better in '05 w/o Plax than in '04 with Plax. Hines is 5'11 and Randle el is 5'9".

Steel Pit
04-11-2007, 05:47 AM
I don't want to see the Steelers waste a 1st round pick on a WR. As you will see from the list that I've compiled below, the Steelers have gotten the most production from WR's taken in the 3rd and 4th rounds of the draft. If I've missed anyone then they were not drafted by the Steelers therefore proving all the more that a 1st round WR pick is a wasted pick.

Now of course Lynn Swann is most likely the best WR in Steelers history and he was taken in the 1st round but that was a no-brainer pick. The guy was a college all american.

1st round wr's drafted by the Steelers.

1. Lynn Swann 1974

2. Louis Lipps 1984-He was good but worthy of a 1st round pick?

3. Charles Johnson 1994 WRONG ANSWER

4. Troy Edwards 1999 I don't freaking think so.

5. Plaxico Burress 2000, well in my opinion Burress only had one good season with us.


2nd round wr's drafted by the Steelers.

1. Jeff Graham 1991, BUST, BUST, BUST!

2. Will Blackwell 1997, never did measure up to being worthy of even a 4th rounder.

3. Antwaan Randle El 2002, nice pick.


3rd round wr's drafted by the Steelers.

1. Jim Smith 1977, great wr overshawdowed by 2 HOF wr's.

2. Ernie Mills 1991, tough little wr who was very productive for the Steelers.

3. Andre Hastings 1993, with a victory in Super Bowl XXX he would have been the MVP.

4. HINES WARD 1998, enough said.


4th round wr's drafted by the Steelers.

1. John Stallworth 1974, HALL OF FAME!

2. Theo Bell 1976, played well behind Swann, Stallworth and Smith.

3. Calvin Sweeny 1979, came alive in the early 80's but Lipps eventually took over.

4. Yancey Thigpen, was drafted in the 4th round by the Chargers in 1991. The Steelers aquired him as a free agent.

polamalufan43
04-11-2007, 05:48 AM
Honestly, I don't think really need to draft a WR that soon. We have bigger needs.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

abgroove
04-11-2007, 06:24 AM
Unless that WR is Calvin Johnson, we can pass on WR's for the entire draft.

ARKIESTEEL
04-11-2007, 06:29 AM
ummmm I want a WR that is like 6' 3" 270lbs that plays Defense at OLB and can run a 4.4 40.:tt02:

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-11-2007, 08:52 AM
ummmm I want a WR that is like 6' 3" 270lbs that plays Defense at OLB and can run a 4.4 40.:tt02:

LOL...well put!!!

Stainless Steel
04-11-2007, 09:08 AM
IMHO- Offensive Line is the greatest need we have this year. I know that is not a flashy response, but the battle begins on the front line.

1207
04-11-2007, 02:12 PM
NO to a WR in the first. If D. Jarrett happens to fall to our spot in the second round, it would be very tempting to take him, depending who else is still on the board. I think for the future, he would be a great compliment to Holmes. As for the present, he would look real nice in a 3 receiver set, with him and Holmes on the outside, and Hines in the slot. Good luck stopping that on 3rd and 5!

If no Jarrett (or another WR of that caliber) in the 2nd, I feel we need to draft one with one of our 4 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds.

Jeremy
04-11-2007, 02:24 PM
You can get a good receiver in the later rounds. The same can't be said of other positions of need we have. Another receiver in the first round and we're starting to look too much like the Lions for my tastes.

BettisFan
04-11-2007, 02:33 PM
we dont need a WR in the first or even the second we have ward and holmes

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2007, 02:51 PM
You can get a good receiver in the later rounds. The same can't be said of other positions of need we have. Another receiver in the first round and we're starting to look too much like the Lions for my tastes.
here's an interesting stat....of the 25 most productive recievers last year (yardage gained), 20 were day one picks.....12-1st.......4-2nd.......4-3rd.......1-4th......3-7th....1-undrafted



Rank Player Team draft selection
1 Chad Johnson CIN 2

2 Marvin Harrison IND 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND 1

4 Roy Williams DET 1

5 Donald Driver GB 7

6 Lee Evans BUF 1

7 Anquan Boldin ARI 2

8 Torry Holt STL 1

9 Terrell Owens DAL 3

10 Steve Smith CAR 2

11 Andre Johnson HOU 1

12 Laveranues Coles NYJ 3

13 Isaac Bruce STL 2

14 Mike Furrey DET undrafted

15 Javon Walker DEN 1

16 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 7

17 Joey Galloway TB 1

18 Terry Glenn DAL 1

19 Marques Colston NO 7

20 Plaxico Burress NYG 1

21 Hines Ward PIT 3

22 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 4

23 Darrell Jackson SEA 3

24 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 1

25 Mark Clayton 1

FOOTEupyourarse
04-11-2007, 03:24 PM
any postion you draft in the first round is a crap shoot. there might be 4 or 5 players that are a lock other than that you never know. as far as drafting a WR in the first round.... we have a bigger need at LB. we have no depth at that postion.

Stlr4Life
04-11-2007, 03:42 PM
I think we won't see a WR drafted until the 4th. But I think we need one there to give Wilson & Washington some competition. I like Washington more out of the two.

Jeremy
04-11-2007, 03:45 PM
here's an interesting stat....of the 25 most productive recievers last year (yardage gained), 20 were day one picks.....12-1st.......4-2nd.......4-3rd.......1-4th......3-7th....1-undrafted



Rank Player Team draft selection
1 Chad Johnson CIN 2

2 Marvin Harrison IND 1

3 Reggie Wayne IND 1

4 Roy Williams DET 1

5 Donald Driver GB 7

6 Lee Evans BUF 1

7 Anquan Boldin ARI 2

8 Torry Holt STL 1

9 Terrell Owens DAL 3

10 Steve Smith CAR 2

11 Andre Johnson HOU 1

12 Laveranues Coles NYJ 3

13 Isaac Bruce STL 2

14 Mike Furrey DET undrafted

15 Javon Walker DEN 1

16 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 7

17 Joey Galloway TB 1

18 Terry Glenn DAL 1

19 Marques Colston NO 7

20 Plaxico Burress NYG 1

21 Hines Ward PIT 3

22 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 4

23 Darrell Jackson SEA 3

24 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 1

25 Mark Clayton 1


Just to be clear, later rounds means 3rd and beyond.

Blitzburger
04-11-2007, 03:48 PM
You can get a good receiver in the later rounds. The same can't be said of other positions of need we have. Another receiver in the first round and we're starting to look too much like the Lions for my tastes.

Exaclty -- at WR all we're looking for is depth in a four-wide look. We have much bigger needs to adress first (O-line???)

The Duke
04-11-2007, 05:12 PM
If we can find a tall receiver late (6th-7th round)go for it. If no tall receivers we should wait until next year.

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2007, 05:22 PM
Just to be clear, later rounds means 3rd and beyond.
i was aware of that.i was just pointing out,that the late round reeiver gems aren't as common as some believe.and more often than not,they are wasted picks.

Elvis
04-11-2007, 06:04 PM
i said it once and i'll say it again-

do you really want one in the 1st round?

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=6366&highlight=round
No, is my answer.. I dont see anything wrong maybe in the 3rd or 4th round selecting another reciever with some good size, but I think that the Steelers must get some depth here at WR.. I guess the WR from the Saints which was what a ..... 6th round pick that ended up being NFL Rookie of the year... late round WR's can be found no doubt about it..

Stlrs4Life
04-11-2007, 09:35 PM
If the Steelers draft a WR in the 1st round, they are crazy.

GBMelBlount
04-11-2007, 10:23 PM
Exaclty -- at WR all we're looking for is depth in a four-wide look. We have much bigger needs to adress first (O-line???)


Agreed, as well as some other positions. If we found a best available beast WR 6'2', 4.4, With great track record,early/middle rounds, maybe. Otherwise, just hope for a late round steal/project, like saints....never know.. :tt02:

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2007, 11:10 PM
2006 2nd day wide receiver draft selections...

rd 4

103 N.Y. Jets Brad Smith WR Missouri.... had 9 rec / 61 yds

104 Green Bay Cory Rodgers WR Texas Christian.... cut

109 Philadelphia Jason Avant WR Michigan ...7 rec /68 yds

111 Baltimore Demetrius Williams WR Oregon .....22 rec /396 yds 2 td

119 Denver Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida ...20 rec/ 309 yds 2td

125 Dallas Skyler Green WR Louisiana State .....cut by dallas signed by cinn

130 Denver Domenik Hixon WR Akron .....injured

rd 5

144 St. Louis Marques Hagans WR Virginia .....cut

147 Philadelphia Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado .....injured

rd 6

171 New Orleans Mike Hass WR Oregon State ....cut

172 Tennessee Jonathan Orr WR Wisconsin .....cut

184 Atlanta Adam Jennings WR Fresno State .....special teams...0 rec

190 Kansas City Jeff Webb WR San Diego State ....3 rec /23yds

193 Cincinnati Reggie McNeal WR Texas A&M ....practice squad active a few games...0 rec

rd 7

218 Arizona Todd Watkins WR Brigham Young ...practice squad


231 Cincinnati Bennie Brazell WR Louisiana State ....injured list

233 Miami Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn...cut

249 Seattle Ben Obomanu WR Auburn ....practice squad

251 Houston David Anderson WR Colorado State ....1 rec /27 yds

252 New Orleans Marques Colston WR Hofstra ....70 rec /1038 yds

255 Oakland Kevin McMahan WR Maine ....cut

Steel Pit
04-12-2007, 01:00 AM
2006 2nd day wide receiver draft selections...

rd 4

103 N.Y. Jets Brad Smith WR Missouri.... had 9 rec / 61 yds

104 Green Bay Cory Rodgers WR Texas Christian.... cut

109 Philadelphia Jason Avant WR Michigan ...7 rec /68 yds

111 Baltimore Demetrius Williams WR Oregon .....22 rec /396 yds 2 td

119 Denver Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida ...20 rec/ 309 yds 2td

125 Dallas Skyler Green WR Louisiana State .....cut by dallas signed by cinn

130 Denver Domenik Hixon WR Akron .....injured

rd 5

144 St. Louis Marques Hagans WR Virginia .....cut

147 Philadelphia Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado .....injured

rd 6

171 New Orleans Mike Hass WR Oregon State ....cut

172 Tennessee Jonathan Orr WR Wisconsin .....cut

184 Atlanta Adam Jennings WR Fresno State .....special teams...0 rec

190 Kansas City Jeff Webb WR San Diego State ....3 rec /23yds

193 Cincinnati Reggie McNeal WR Texas A&M ....practice squad active a few games...0 rec

rd 7

218 Arizona Todd Watkins WR Brigham Young ...practice squad


231 Cincinnati Bennie Brazell WR Louisiana State ....injured list

233 Miami Devin Aromashodu WR Auburn...cut

249 Seattle Ben Obomanu WR Auburn ....practice squad

251 Houston David Anderson WR Colorado State ....1 rec /27 yds

252 New Orleans Marques Colston WR Hofstra ....70 rec /1038 yds

255 Oakland Kevin McMahan WR Maine ....cut

I don't see Pittsburgh on this day 2 list?????? Refer to page 1 of this thread. Pittsburgh has been pretty successful at drafting WR's on day 2.

MasterOfPuppets
04-12-2007, 05:03 PM
I don't see Pittsburgh on this day 2 list?????? Refer to page 1 of this thread. Pittsburgh has been pretty successful at drafting WR's on day 2.
gee i wonder why? i guess because they didn't draft a receiver in day 2. MY POINT WAS...if you look at all day 2 draft picks from last years draft ,outside of colston, the others that actually were on active rosters made minimal contributions if any.

oh here's some steeler draft info for ya.....
1990
Chris Calloway Michigan WR 4th .....bust
Ron Heard Bowling Green WR 6th......bust

1992
Charles Davenport North Carolina State WR 4th...bust

1995
Henry Bailey UNLV WR 7th ....bust


1996
Jahine Arnold Fresno State WR 4th.....bust

1997
Michael Adams Texas WR 7th....bust

1999
Malcolm Johnson Notre Dame WR 5th...bust

2000
Danny Farmer UCLA WR 4th....bust

2001
Chris Taylor Texas A&M WR 7th... bust

2002
Lee Mays Texas El Paso WR ...6th...bust

2005
Fred Gibson Georgia WR 4th....bust

ok thats eleven 2nd day picks since 1990....guess what? were 0 for 11 !!!! now tell me again how good we are at picking day 2 wide receivers...:coffee:

The Duke
04-13-2007, 09:26 PM
gee i wonder why? i guess because they didn't draft a receiver in day 2. MY POINT WAS...if you look at all day 2 draft picks from last years draft ,outside of colston, the others that actually were on active rosters made minimal contributions if any.

oh here's some steeler draft info for ya.....
1990
Chris Calloway Michigan WR 4th .....bust
Ron Heard Bowling Green WR 6th......bust

1992
Charles Davenport North Carolina State WR 4th...bust

1995
Henry Bailey UNLV WR 7th ....bust


1996
Jahine Arnold Fresno State WR 4th.....bust

1997
Michael Adams Texas WR 7th....bust

1999
Malcolm Johnson Notre Dame WR 5th...bust

2000
Danny Farmer UCLA WR 4th....bust

2001
Chris Taylor Texas A&M WR 7th... bust

2002
Lee Mays Texas El Paso WR ...6th...bust

2005
Fred Gibson Georgia WR 4th....bust

ok thats eleven 2nd day picks since 1990....guess what? were 0 for 11 !!!! now tell me again how good we are at picking day 2 wide receivers...:coffee:


Wow...maybe this year will be different.....:sofunny:

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-14-2007, 03:51 PM
gee i wonder why? i guess because they didn't draft a receiver in day 2. MY POINT WAS...if you look at all day 2 draft picks from last years draft ,outside of colston, the others that actually were on active rosters made minimal contributions if any.

oh here's some steeler draft info for ya.....
1990
Chris Calloway Michigan WR 4th .....bust
Ron Heard Bowling Green WR 6th......bust

1992
Charles Davenport North Carolina State WR 4th...bust

1995
Henry Bailey UNLV WR 7th ....bust


1996
Jahine Arnold Fresno State WR 4th.....bust

1997
Michael Adams Texas WR 7th....bust

1999
Malcolm Johnson Notre Dame WR 5th...bust

2000
Danny Farmer UCLA WR 4th....bust

2001
Chris Taylor Texas A&M WR 7th... bust

2002
Lee Mays Texas El Paso WR ...6th...bust

2005
Fred Gibson Georgia WR 4th....bust

ok thats eleven 2nd day picks since 1990....guess what? were 0 for 11 !!!! now tell me again how good we are at picking day 2 wide receivers...:coffee:


MOP brings up a very valid point...I also dont think that we WILL go WR in the first round but stats show the later the pick...generally you will get less production:

Percentage of the 64 starting WR's in 2006 drafted in each round
1st Round 38%
2nd Round 22%
3rd Round 14%
4th Round 6%
5th Round 2%
6th Round 3%
7th Round 6%
Past 7th 9%

That means that 74% of starting WR's were drafted on the first day!!!

Just thought it was an interesting stat.

tony hipchest
04-14-2007, 04:02 PM
MOP brings up a very valid point...I also dont think that we WILL go WR in the first round but stats show the later the pick...generally you will get less production:

Percentage of the 64 starting WR's in 2006 drafted in each round
1st Round 38%
2nd Round 22%
3rd Round 14%
4th Round 6%
5th Round 2%
6th Round 3%
7th Round 6%
Past 7th 9%

That means that 74% of starting WR's were drafted on the first day!!!

Just thought it was an interesting stat.we all know we could use help at wr and ol. if the plan was to go OL in the 2nd and wr in the 4th, i would much rather swap that and go wr in the 2nd and ol in the 4th. ol is weak this year. 2nd round is a reach. wr is deep. 2nd round is a bargain.

if dewayne jarrett could fall to us in the 2nd it would be a blessing.

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2007, 04:14 PM
MOP brings up a very valid point...I also dont think that we WILL go WR in the first round but stats show the later the pick...generally you will get less production:

Percentage of the 64 starting WR's in 2006 drafted in each round
1st Round 38%
2nd Round 22%
3rd Round 14%
4th Round 6%
5th Round 2%
6th Round 3%
7th Round 6%
Past 7th 9%

That means that 74% of starting WR's were drafted on the first day!!!

Just thought it was an interesting stat.
and 80% of last years top 25 receivers were day one picks. receivers like colston in the later rounds just don't come along that often. more often than not you only get what you pay for . at least as far as receivers go..

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-14-2007, 04:37 PM
and 80% of last years top 25 receivers were day one picks. receivers like colston in the later rounds just don't come along that often. more often than not you only get what you pay for . at least as far as receivers go..

Even Laurent Robinson...whom the Steelers brought in to look at....is projected to go in the fourth round but is the worst kept secret in the draft.... and wont make it past the third round.

Just as a what if...with the talent that Calvin Johnson possesses...would anyone be up in arms if we traded up and gave away our 1st/2nd...and next years 2nd...for who may be in my opinion the only cant miss reciever that I have seen in years...6'5..4.39 forty and incredible work ethic!!!...We could grab Bradley at OLB in the 3rd...and get our OL/P/DE and ILB in the 4th and fifth rounds...RB Nate Ilaoa in the sixth..and the option on Jeff Samardzija in the 7th...????

we would have to make in my opinion at least one FA pickup..at CB...or if we pick up a CB in the 4th/5th we would have to find depth at whatever position is left out of the mix

Just a thought...and a way to confuse all of us even more!!

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2007, 04:56 PM
Even Laurent Robinson...whom the Steelers brought in to look at....is projected to go in the fourth round but is the worst kept secret in the draft.... and wont make it past the third round.

Just as a what if...with the talent that Calvin Johnson possesses...would anyone be up in arms if we traded up and gave away our 1st/2nd...and next years 2nd...for who may be in my opinion the only cant miss reciever that I have seen in years...6'5..4.39 forty and incredible work ethic!!!...We could grab Bradley at OLB in the 3rd...and get our OL/P/DE and ILB in the 4th and fifth rounds...RB Nate Ilaoa in the sixth..and the option on Jeff Samardzija in the 7th...????

we would have to make in my opinion at least one FA pickup..at CB...or if we pick up a CB in the 4th/5th we would have to find depth at whatever position is left out of the mix

Just a thought...and a way to confuse all of us even more!!
thats a tough call.on one hand i'd say its a fair trade,but on the other,i'm concerned with depth,not as much as this year,but with contracts in the next 2,this years picks could effect the next 3 or 4 seasons, so its hard to loose 2 2nds.

tony hipchest
04-14-2007, 05:06 PM
Even Laurent Robinson...whom the Steelers brought in to look at....is projected to go in the fourth round but is the worst kept secret in the draft.... and wont make it past the third round.

Just as a what if...with the talent that Calvin Johnson possesses...would anyone be up in arms if we traded up and gave away our 1st/2nd...and next years 2nd...for who may be in my opinion the only cant miss reciever that I have seen in years...6'5..4.39 forty and incredible work ethic!!!...We could grab Bradley at OLB in the 3rd...and get our OL/P/DE and ILB in the 4th and fifth rounds...RB Nate Ilaoa in the sixth..and the option on Jeff Samardzija in the 7th...????

we would have to make in my opinion at least one FA pickup..at CB...or if we pick up a CB in the 4th/5th we would have to find depth at whatever position is left out of the mix

Just a thought...and a way to confuse all of us even more!!i would do it. any extra money we would spend on having that high of a draft pick could be saved by forcing hines wards hand in taking a hometown discount.

i love hines, and i love faneca. but id much rather have c. johnson for the next 5 years than ward for the next 2-3. trading faneca, would enable a move like this w/o us losing much (and actually helping our cap in the long run).

Black@Gold Forever32
04-14-2007, 05:22 PM
I wouldn't complain one bit if the Steelers traded up to draft Calvin Johnson. The dude is going to be great no doubt about it.

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2007, 05:31 PM
i would do it. any extra money we would spend on having that high of a draft pick could be saved by forcing hines wards hand in taking a hometown discount.

i love hines, and i love faneca. but id much rather have c. johnson for the next 5 years than ward for the next 2-3. trading faneca, would enable a move like this w/o us losing much (and actually helping our cap in the long run).
who could we package faneca in a trade with? detroit? oakland? i don't see the browns because they've been investing pretty good in thier line the last 2 yrs, and i think gruden has a serious chub for johnson so i don't see them biting.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-14-2007, 06:02 PM
who could we package faneca in a trade with? detroit? oakland? i don't see the browns because they've been investing pretty good in thier line the last 2 yrs, and i think gruden has a serious chub for johnson so i don't see them biting.

If Oakland pulls the trigger on Russell...how about trading firsts with Detroit..and giving them Faneca....???....Do you think we would even HAVE to package another pick!!!???...I am liking this idea more and more!!!

SteelCzar76
04-14-2007, 07:22 PM
If Oakland pulls the trigger on Russell...how about trading firsts with Detroit..and giving them Faneca....???....Do you think we would even HAVE to package another pick!!!???...I am liking this idea more and more!!!



That could very well work LLT. (I'd even throw in a 4th rounder to solidify the deal if the Lions wavered at all)
But i don't think Colbert would have the 'stomach' for it . (Even though landing Johnson could be the best possible scenario for not only our offense,....but Ben's development as well.)
As i'm sure that he (Colbert) would use Hines and his salary as an excuse not to do so ?But IMO you could Line Calvin up outside with Hines and run Santonio out of the slot and create considerable 'mismatches' for almost any team in the League.
And let Reid and Washington battle for the last WR spot in camp.

tony hipchest
04-14-2007, 08:15 PM
i like the thinking here. i would say if faneca was thrown into this years draft he would easilly be the 3rd ranked lineman behind thomas and brown. (this is the same thinking that gave schaub a mid 1st round value)

according to the draft value chart i will call faneca a #15 pick. 1050x2= 2100.

#2= 2600
#3= 2200

how could detroit pass on the chance to land faneca (definite top 3 guard in the game) and a player like carriker or the top cb off the board? this is a steal for the lions regardless of what the value chart says. we could make this deal happen straight up.

does colbert have the stomach for it? depends. hines salary of 8 mil in 08 is the perfect reason to make this happen. heres where it gets tricky. is johnson worth r. bush or m. williams $$$ or is he worth what s. holmes got at the #1 wr off the board last year? (5 yrs >10 mil.) finding that medium would be a pain in the ass.

we could also swap with arizona and only have to leapfrog the bucs. i doubt anything big like this happens. rooneys havent been in the top 5 since bradshaw, and i think theyd like to keep it that way. but this dialogue alone makes me wonder what they might do to land a player like d. jarrett w/ their 2nd pick. (shame to see faneca walk for nothing).

since okolbi may be a cap casualty does anyone realize when the browns were having center problems last year we probably couldve gotten their 3rd round pick for him (atleast 4th)?.

GBMelBlount
04-14-2007, 08:36 PM
If we picked up a beast WR in round 1 & traded faneca, how will OL look w/ Hartings AND Faneca gone. Even with the best receivers in the league, will Ben throw better if he is flat on his back? Didn't we already have to keep a round one pick TE in too much as a blocker? Do we need more help at receiver than OL?

tony hipchest
04-14-2007, 08:41 PM
If we picked up a beast WR in round 1 & traded faneca, how will OL look w/ Hartings AND Faneca gone. Even with the best receivers in the league, will Ben throw better if he is flat on his back? Didn't we already have to keep a round one pick TE in too much as a blocker? Do we need more help at receiver than OL?it will look just like it will in 08. a line that let ben get beat up and couldnt open holes for willie on the road (last year), minus faneca and hartings.

MasterOfPuppets
04-14-2007, 11:08 PM
how about we trade our first ,faneca ,and ward for thier first ,second and a fourth?then we trade 2 4ths and a 5th to oakland for thier 3rd? thus leaving us with a 1st, 2 2nds, 2 3rds,a 4th,5th,6th,7th.

then we get

1 johnson wr
2 blaylock or grubs og
2 crowder or woodly olb
3 david irons or damion hughes cb
3 david harris or buster davis ilb
4 colby smith rb
5 adam podlesh p
6 gabe hall ot
7 derick shouman fb

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 12:03 AM
how about we trade our first ,faneca ,and ward for thier first ,second and a fourth?then we trade 2 4ths and a 5th to oakland for thier 3rd? thus leaving us with a 1st, 2 2nds, 2 3rds,a 4th,5th,6th,7th.

then we get

1 johnson wr
2 blaylock or grubs og
2 crowder or woodly olb
3 david irons or damion hughes cb
3 david harris or buster davis ilb
4 colby smith rb
5 adam podlesh p
6 gabe hall ot
7 derick shouman fbshame on you. you mentioned ward. you are officially crazy.

about a month ago i pondered this:

faneca for arizonas 1st
ward for sf's 2nd and 4th
polamalu for dallas 1st and 3rd (i know, dallas has r. williams, but humor me here)

3 1st
2 2nds
2 3rds
3 4ths

faneca ward and polamalu (of course i wanna keep polamalu) are gonna cost us $20 mil next year which will be roughly 18% of the total cap. we would be out of cap hell and give tomlin the same tools jimmy johnson was given to bring the cowboys back to prominence.

MasterOfPuppets
04-15-2007, 12:14 AM
why dallas? you don't think at least 6 teams that pick earlier wouldn't want troy? do you think arizona would also want our first ?

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 12:32 AM
why dallas? you don't think at least 6 teams that pick earlier wouldn't want troy?i was just thinking of the teams that most needed or wanted a safety (discounting whether it was a ss or fs)

hines ward could easilly be value for atlanta for their 2nd round pick (ignoring the fact they got horn)

if polamalu were thrown in the draft he would go ahead of l. landry giving him value of around the #8 pick. (texans 1st and 3rd?)

MasterOfPuppets
04-15-2007, 12:37 AM
i was just thinking of the teams that most needed or wanted a safety (discounting whether it was a ss or fs)

hines ward could easilly be value for atlanta for their 2nd round pick (ignoring the fact they got horn)

if polamalu were thrown in the draft he would go ahead of l. landry giving him value of around the #8 pick. (texans 1st and 3rd?)
the bad part is there aren't any great SS coming out this year.would you be comfortable with mike logan as your starter?

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 12:42 AM
the bad part is there aren't any great SS coming out this year.would you be comfortable with mike logan as your starter?id be more comfortable with t. carter.

troy is a keeper. but if the rooneys wont make him the highest paid safety sf will.

MasterOfPuppets
04-15-2007, 12:46 AM
id be more comfortable with t. carter.

troy is a keeper. but if the rooneys wont make him the highest paid safety sf will.isn't carter a fs ? or does he play both?

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 12:58 AM
isn't carter a fs ? or does he play both?he plays both but is primarily a fs. he filled in for troy last year when troy had his shoulder troubles.

anyways its definitely smarter to pay troy than to let him go.

however it may not be as smart to pay 15 mil to an aging faneca and ward. (since ward is already under contract, trading faneca before his final year has atleast got to be explored)

8 mil for ward in 08. somethings gotta be done.

MasterOfPuppets
04-15-2007, 01:04 AM
he plays both but is primarily a fs. he filled in for troy last year when troy had his shoulder troubles.:dang: your right, after the first couple games i kept my eyes closed when a pass was thrown...lol anywho,if we had pick 5,15 and 22,how would you use them now that we'd have 3 huge holes to fill?

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 01:08 AM
but if you wanna know how popular the idea of trading faneca and ward is on this board (3%)

here you go. lol

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=15410&highlight=trade+faneca+ward

katk9
04-15-2007, 12:44 PM
gee i wonder why? i guess because they didn't draft a receiver in day 2. MY POINT WAS...if you look at all day 2 draft picks from last years draft ,outside of colston, the others that actually were on active rosters made minimal contributions if any.

oh here's some steeler draft info for ya.....
1990
Chris Calloway Michigan WR 4th .....bust
Ron Heard Bowling Green WR 6th......bust

1992
Charles Davenport North Carolina State WR 4th...bust

1995
Henry Bailey UNLV WR 7th ....bust


1996
Jahine Arnold Fresno State WR 4th.....bust

1997
Michael Adams Texas WR 7th....bust

1999
Malcolm Johnson Notre Dame WR 5th...bust

2000
Danny Farmer UCLA WR 4th....bust

2001
Chris Taylor Texas A&M WR 7th... bust

2002
Lee Mays Texas El Paso WR ...6th...bust

2005
Fred Gibson Georgia WR 4th....bust

ok thats eleven 2nd day picks since 1990....guess what? were 0 for 11 !!!! now tell me again how good we are at picking day 2 wide receivers...:coffee:

Well done on the research.

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 02:25 PM
:dang: your right, after the first couple games i kept my eyes closed when a pass was thrown...lol anywho,if we had pick 5,15 and 22,how would you use them now that we'd have 3 huge holes to fill?r. bush signed a 6yr/$62 mil contract as the #2 pick. i dont think the steelers would have any part of that. i would take j. thomas with 5 (dbrickshaw ferguson signed for 27 mil last year) or trade down with the vikings or miami if brady quinn was still around and get levi brown. with the extra picks i would try to move up to take l. landry or stand pat and take the next ss. depending if we still had #22 take timmons or paul poz (or the best replacement for porter). try to manuever with the 2nd round picks to land wards replacement. (s. smith, d. jarrett?)

Livinginthe past
04-15-2007, 02:36 PM
he plays both but is primarily a fs. he filled in for troy last year when troy had his shoulder troubles.

anyways its definitely smarter to pay troy than to let him go.

however it may not be as smart to pay 15 mil to an aging faneca and ward. (since ward is already under contract, trading faneca before his final year has atleast got to be explored)

8 mil for ward in 08. somethings gotta be done.

You think there is much chance of Hines restructuring to help the team out?

Here's a weird quote from Hines himself right after he finished holding out and got himself a new contract.

"I think they went out of their way," Ward said of an organization that has long set its own value on player contracts and ignored the huge money deals given by other teams. "It was far more than what I expected."

Whats weird is that i wouldn't ever expect a player to say that, it makes it sound like the franchise got hosed - at least thats how i'd read it if a Patriots player held out, and then said that.

Looking at the example of Manning its possible that he could get his money a different way and cost the Steelers less in cap hit terms.

polamalufan43
04-15-2007, 02:42 PM
r. bush signed a 6yr/$62 mil contract as the #2 pick. i dont think the steelers would have any part of that. i would take j. thomas with 5 (dbrickshaw ferguson signed for 27 mil last year) or trade down with the vikings or miami if brady quinn was still around and get levi brown. with the extra picks i would try to move up to take l. landry or stand pat and take the next ss. depending if we still had #22 take timmons or paul poz (or the best replacement for porter). try to manuever with the 2nd round picks to land wards replacement. (s. smith, d. jarrett?)

I'd say the more practical choice at this point is jarrett. I hate to see Hines go when he does, but that day is coming soon, and we can't ignore that and be unprepared. If we trade down it will probably be with the vikings. To trade with Miami after they get Porter seems stupid. If we wanted to trade with them then we should have waited and traded Porter for picks, but that's just my view on that.
~Polamalufan43:tt02:

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 03:02 PM
You think there is much chance of Hines restructuring to help the team out?

Here's a weird quote from Hines himself right after he finished holding out and got himself a new contract.



Whats weird is that i wouldn't ever expect a player to say that, it makes it sound like the franchise got hosed - at least thats how i'd read it if a Patriots player held out, and then said that.

Looking at the example of Manning its possible that he could get his money a different way and cost the Steelers less in cap hit terms.if any steeler were to do what jerome did it would be hines. the steelers rewarded him with a nice contract and he turned around and made them look smart by winning the superbowl mvp.

i think hines was just suprised when he received the richest signing bonus of any steeler (a paltry $8 million). im pretty sure aaron smith is a little suprised and honored to have been made the highest paid steelers defensive player ever, as there have been alot of great ones. its not that they have hosed the team, they were in the right place at the right time in todays nfl economics.

polamalufan43
04-15-2007, 03:05 PM
if any steeler were to do what jerome did it would be hines. the steelers rewarded him with a nice contract and he turned around and made them look smart by winning the superbowl mvp.

i think hines was just suprised when he received the richest signing bonus of any steeler (a paltry $8 million). im pretty sure aaron smith is a little suprised and honored to have been made the highest paid steelers defensive player ever, as there have been alot of great ones. its not that they have hosed the team, they were in the right place at the right time in todays nfl economics.

Very good points.

As for Hines, I have to agree right now he is the only Steeler who could maybe come close to bringing that togetherness back to the team.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Livinginthe past
04-15-2007, 04:17 PM
if any steeler were to do what jerome did it would be hines. the steelers rewarded him with a nice contract and he turned around and made them look smart by winning the superbowl mvp.

i think hines was just suprised when he received the richest signing bonus of any steeler (a paltry $8 million). im pretty sure aaron smith is a little suprised and honored to have been made the highest paid steelers defensive player ever, as there have been alot of great ones. its not that they have hosed the team, they were in the right place at the right time in todays nfl economics.

I think so too.

I was going to say that the Steelers (along with the Patriots) have been 'blessed' with high quality character players over the years - but on second thought its no game of chance - its a legitimate draft strategy.

Picking blue collar guys with good moral standards and a hard work ethic is not just morally correct but also 'good business'.

Even when its with a rival team I like to see their 'face of the franchise' players get re-signed - I think Hines has as good, if not better, chance than anyone of making this happen - even if he does play at the position where most primadonna's are found.

polamalufan43
04-15-2007, 04:18 PM
I think so too.

I was going to say that the Steelers (along with the Patriots) have been 'blessed' with high quality character players over the years - but on second thought its no game of chance - its a legitimate draft strategy.

Picking blue collar guys with good moral standards and a hard work ethic is not just morally correct but also 'good business'.

Even when its with a rival team I like to see their 'face of franchise' players get re-signed - I think Hines has as good, if not better, chance than anyone of making this happen - even if he does play at the position where most primadonna's are found.

Yeah, when good players on an opposing team aren't signed it's kinda sad cause then you might not face the challenge of playing them.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Livinginthe past
04-15-2007, 04:26 PM
Yeah, when good players on an opposing team aren't signed it's kinda sad cause then you might not face the challenge of playing them.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

I like being able to associate teams with certain 'face' players.

Pittsburgh has been Joey Porter, Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward for me.

Stainless Steel
04-15-2007, 06:36 PM
I think so too.

I was going to say that the Steelers (along with the Patriots) have been 'blessed' with high quality character players over the years - but on second thought its no game of chance - its a legitimate draft strategy.

Picking blue collar guys with good moral standards and a hard work ethic is not just morally correct but also 'good business'.

Even when its with a rival team I like to see their 'face of the franchise' players get re-signed - I think Hines has as good, if not better, chance than anyone of making this happen - even if he does play at the position where most primadonna's are found.
Agreed. As I have said before...

If you can't be proud of the players, you can't be proud of the team.

I love seeing that smile on Ward's face when there is a gadget play and he is lined up as QB. It's a grin saying, "We are up to something, now try to figure it out before we score."

Ben may be a good face for the team.

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 06:36 PM
if hines is threatened to be cut, he knows there is no team out there who will give him the 8 million in cap hits for 08. if he dont restructure he will be taking less money anyways. he might as well do it for a team that has proven to be loyal.

GBMelBlount
04-15-2007, 10:07 PM
Wow, thank God that our OL is shored up & we can pick another top round receiver like Heath & Antonio, and thank God our O-line is so good, we can pic another receiver and not have to worry about Ben (whose face looks better now) getting knocked on his back every play. I have only been a SF member for a month, have learned alot, thank you all! But not sure I understand the logic.

tony hipchest
04-15-2007, 11:48 PM
Wow, thank God that our OL is shored up & we can pick another top round receiver like Heath & Antonio, and thank God our O-line is so good, we can pic another receiver and not have to worry about Ben (whose face looks better now) getting knocked on his back every play. I have only been a SF member for a month, have learned alot, thank you all! But not sure I understand the logic.well we cant draft j. staley or b. grubbs at 15, and it would be stupid to reach for m. ramirez with our 2nd pick.

more often than not, we arent drafting as high as 15. now is not the time to reach for a lineman or to trade out of #15 for a lineman in what is considered a weak class.

MasterOfPuppets
04-16-2007, 01:04 PM
well we cant draft j. staley or b. grubbs at 15, and it would be stupid to reach for m. ramirez with our 2nd pick.

more often than not, we arent drafting as high as 15. now is not the time to reach for a lineman or to trade out of #15 for a lineman in what is considered a weak class.

i agree. pick 15 and 46 are bad selections for this lineman draft class. i think the better tackles (staley ,ugoh ) and guards (blaylock,grubs) will come off the board between picks 30 to 40 ( ravens ,bears,raiders, bucs,cards....) but i do belive we may have a shot at adam sears from tennessee,who imo would be a great value pick at 46. as tony said,anybody else would be a reach at 46.then i believe the rest of the day 1 OL prospects come off the board between 53 and 73. (free ,martin,ramirez,satele,beekman) so imo if the oline is day 1 priority then they should trade back in one to about 26-27,or trade up in 2.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-16-2007, 01:36 PM
Wow, thank God that our OL is shored up & we can pick another top round receiver like Heath & Antonio, and thank God our O-line is so good, we can pic another receiver and not have to worry about Ben (whose face looks better now) getting knocked on his back every play. I have only been a SF member for a month, have learned alot, thank you all! But not sure I understand the logic.

I think Tony and MOP explained this pretty well....You HAVE to not only think of need but of value with each pick....there is no value in picking an OL at #15..since both Thomas and Brown will be gone by then....so you either trade up/down....or take someone another need position at the correct value and get your OL in a later round.

That being said...if Brown DOES slide...it is a gift to the Steelers and we grab him. (but unlikely)...I have said in previous posts that I would love Brown, Moses, and Hunt with the first three picks.....but its probably not going to happen

GBMelBlount
04-16-2007, 11:26 PM
I think Tony and MOP explained this pretty well....You HAVE to not only think of need but of value with each pick....there is no value in picking an OL at #15..since both Thomas and Brown will be gone by then....so you either trade up/down....or take someone another need position at the correct value and get your OL in a later round.

That being said...if Brown DOES slide...it is a gift to the Steelers and we grab him. (but unlikely)...I have said in previous posts that I would love Brown, Moses, and Hunt with the first three picks.....but its probably not going to happen

CRAP! Maybe you guys are right. I have done some reading. Although I thought OL, Lb/DE first, is it possible that WR if so strong that we may pick a WR 1st round & LB / OL 2-5 etc?......embarrassed. I have read there are like 6 or so strong WR picks 6 foot plus and 4.4, 4.5 speed?

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-17-2007, 07:49 AM
CRAP! Maybe you guys are right. I have done some reading. Although I thought OL, Lb/DE first, is it possible that WR if so strong that we may pick a WR 1st round & LB / OL 2-5 etc?......embarrassed. I have read there are like 6 or so strong WR picks 6 foot plus and 4.4, 4.5 speed?

Here is a scenerio you may like GBMelBlount....We are #15 and GreenBay is #16 with Marshawn Lynch as their target....At #20 is the NY Giants who desperataly need a quick RB to balance Brandon Jacobs since Tiki Barber retired....We could trade the #15 slot to the Giants so they could get their Stud RB...and get the Giants #20 and their 2nd round pick in return.
With our First pick we then get Joe Staley (who wouldnt be that much of a reach at the #20 slot)..and then with our TWO 2nd round picks we could get Our WR and a CB ..and OLB Stewart Bradley in the 3rd?
OR...trade back up into the first with the two second rounders and try and get WR Sydney Rice?

MasterOfPuppets
04-17-2007, 12:55 PM
Here is a scenerio you may like GBMelBlount....We are #15 and GreenBay is #16 with Marshawn Lynch as their target....At #20 is the NY Giants who desperataly need a quick RB to balance Brandon Jacobs since Tiki Barber retired....We could trade the #15 slot to the Giants so they could get their Stud RB...and get the Giants #20 and their 2nd round pick in return.
With our First pick we then get Joe Staley (who wouldnt be that much of a reach at the #20 slot)..and then with our TWO 2nd round picks we could get Our WR and a CB ..and OLB Stewart Bradley in the 3rd?
OR...trade back up into the first with the two second rounders and try and get WR Sydney Rice?
didn't the giants just trade for rubin drougns? i think OLB is thier target.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-17-2007, 01:40 PM
didn't the giants just trade for rubin drougns? i think OLB is thier target.

They did sign Reuben Droughns...but he is pushing 30....and has had one ...arguably two...good seasons in his career (and his best year was with Denver which seems to pad RB's numbers with their running scheme). He only averaged 3.4 yards last year with 4 TD's .....as a North/South RB is not the answer to Tiki Barber.

You have a legitimate point however..since Arrington is now gone..will the Giants look at Paul Posluszny at #20?

tony hipchest
04-17-2007, 01:42 PM
giants could still be a dancing partner but id rather target something on defense that would help us get to the qb (not a cb) who has potential pro bowl talent. im not sure if staley has potential to be a pro bowler or if he is just a player (his 40 time is insane though). i would love d. jarrett to fall to us at 2nd and not have to use 2 2nds to trade up for a wr in such a deep pool...

llt what do you know and whats your thoughts on doug free? pos' dad was a huge giant fan and he has said hed love to be a giant. unfortunately the giants may be just as happy standing pat and taking paul or timmons (whoever falls)

MasterOfPuppets
04-17-2007, 02:10 PM
They did sign Reuben Droughns...but he is pushing 30....and has had one ...arguably two...good seasons in his career (and his best year was with Denver which seems to pad RB's numbers with their running scheme). He only averaged 3.4 yards last year with 4 TD's .....as a North/South RB is not the answer to Tiki Barber.

You have a legitimate point however..since Arrington is now gone..will the Giants look at Paul Posluszny at #20?
i kinda wondered why the giants went after a big lumbering back,to compliment there other big lumbering back.but why bother to pick him up if your going to search for your franchise back in the draft?as tony said,i think the g men stay put and get thier lber at 20.
i wouder if the cowboys would be a dance partner to get hall or revis

tony hipchest
04-17-2007, 02:25 PM
i kinda wondered why the giants went after a big lumbering back,to compliment there other big lumbering back.but why bother to pick him up if your going to search for your franchise back in the draft?as tony said,i think the g men stay put and get thier lber at 20.
i wouder if the cowboys would be a dance partner to get hall or revisi posted this in the draft forum. i think we can add the cowboys. it is odd, that teams who really need a 1st round db could also really use a 1st-2nd round wr (except for the saints and pats). giants, dallas, and san diego could all be looking at the same wr or db.

the more i look at the players, mock drafts have us taking, the more i think we need to move down rather than reach to fill a need. (i think perceived cb needs can be filled in a later round). here are our best (and most potential) trading partners:

saints and jets- the #15 has alot of value cause it could probably be for the top cb in this years draft, a player who may have top 10 rankings on alot of teams boards. any team looking for secondary help will like #15 whether they want a cb or a safety. both the jets and saints have shown interrest in high priced patriot cb's who come with tags. rather than pay a ransom (high draft picks) and take on a potential salary disaster, both these teams are better served just to give up those picks and take the best cb on the board with a much lower salary.

san diego- san diego could want to move up for either a safety or a wr and with #15 they could easilly land the 2nd rated one on most teams boards.

giants- while there is last years connection, i think many of the players they target could easilly fall to them whether it be a wr or lb. while i thought they would be a likely dancing partner i now think it would be a longshot and foolish for them to trade with us.

patriots- i dont even think this is a possibility but the trove of football rumor, PFT, seems to think the steelers are gonna swap 15 for 24 just to help them out. patriots dont have a 2nd. the only way this trade could possibly happen is if the steelers swapped their 1st and 2nd for both of the patriots 1sts.

other than these 5 i would think any steelers downward trade would be out of the blue. at this point i think the jets and saints really need to be on the phone w/ colbert before they do something stupid like the seahawks did last year.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-17-2007, 02:41 PM
giants could still be a dancing partner but id rather target something on defense that would help us get to the qb (not a cb) who has potential pro bowl talent. im not sure if staley has potential to be a pro bowler or if he is just a player (his 40 time is insane though). i would love d. jarrett to fall to us at 2nd and not have to use 2 2nds to trade up for a wr in such a deep pool...

llt what do you know and whats your thoughts on doug free? pos' dad was a huge giant fan and he has said hed love to be a giant. unfortunately the giants may be just as happy standing pat and taking paul or timmons (whoever falls)



I Like Doug Free 6'6 324 lbs...he is a four year starter at offensive tackle...never missed a game due to injury. ...extremely athletic (former high school tight end..nicknamed ?Doug Freak? by his teammates).... He has a great work ethic ...outstanding character and has a ?mean streak? on the field... but he needs to work on being more physical and finishing blocks as a run blocker....He needs to be stronger at the point of attack...and increase his strength...struggled in the bowl game....what is scary is that he reminds me a little of a smarter, more athletic Max Starks in regards to his strength and tendency to stand a little tall. I think with two years of coaching and conditioning he could be our answer at left tackle...and may cut his teeth at right tackle before that!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-17-2007, 02:44 PM
i kinda wondered why the giants went after a big lumbering back,to compliment there other big lumbering back.but why bother to pick him up if your going to search for your franchise back in the draft?as tony said,i think the g men stay put and get thier lber at 20.
i wouder if the cowboys would be a dance partner to get hall or revis

I thought maybe they would use Droughns as a Verron Haynes type of back to work into a Lynch/Jacobs rotation...(Like Verron did with Parker and Bettis)

MasterOfPuppets
04-17-2007, 02:46 PM
i posted this in the draft forum. i think we can add the cowboys. it is odd, that teams who really need a 1st round db could also really use a 1st-2nd round wr (except for the saints and pats). giants, dallas, and san diego could all be looking at the same wr or db.

very valid points! i wonder if chicago could go on that list? considering the briggs problems.they may want a crack at timmons or poz. they have an early pick in 2.

MasterOfPuppets
04-17-2007, 02:49 PM
I thought maybe they would use Droughns as a Verron Haynes type of back to work into a Lynch/Jacobs rotation...(Like Verron did with Parker and Bettis)
hell,i forgot about lynch. if he makes it past buffalo,he sure won'y get by green bay at 16.i guess anythings possible.

MasterOfPuppets
04-17-2007, 05:11 PM
http://steelers.scout.com/2/636262.html



Willie Reid By Ryan Wilson
SteelCityInsider.com
Posted Apr 17, 2007

With the Big Day less than two weeks away, Ryan Wilson has more thoughts on prospective Steelers, the fallacy of mock drafts, the return of Willie Reid and even gets all serious in trying to solve the league's image problem.

So, let's just say not everybody was crazy about my First Round for Dummies column where I named my top four players heading into the draft. Apparently -- and I missed the memo -- Patrick Willis is overrated. I'm fine with that assessment; as I've written countless times, I don't watch enough college football to form any real opinions on potential NFL prospects. And while I usually know something about every player that eventually gets drafted, it's based primarily on other peoples' observations. My point: for me, the draft -- and the days and weeks leading up to it -- is kinda like Christmas Day: every pick is a present, and depending on who gave it to you, it has the potential to be really good or really bad.
So when people disagree with me on draft-related issues, I generally tend to listen. And when those with more knowledge than me pimp a player like Michigan middle linebacker David Harris, I'm all ears. I didn't write about it Sunday because I was only looking at potential first-round picks, but I had heard good things about Harris while doing my pre-draft homework ... and yes, "pre-draft homework" is a euphemism for "listening to Mike Mayock." During the NFL Network's Draft Preview show, Mayock shared these nuggets on Harris:


Might be the best hitter in the entire linebacking class;
Textbook tackler;
Has had a tremendous off-season, but on tape all he sees is Harris hitting people and securing tackles;
Likes him early in the second round.
And then I came across this in Sunday's Denver Post:

"He's strong, has great fluidity in the hips and is probably the best form tackler of the inside linebackers in this draft," said Mike Mayock, a draft analyst for the NFL Network. "He's a very good, not great inside linebacker who I think would be a nice safe pick for a team picking between 25 and 32 in the first round."
The concern is whether Harris would be ready to play on third down as a rookie. But after posting the fastest 10-yard and 20-yard times among all inside linebackers at the NFL scouting combine, Harris may have convinced the Broncos of his athleticism.

Harris sounds intriguing -- but it also sounds he's not worth the 15th overall pick and won't be around when the Pittsburgh Steelers select again at 46. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same away about Willis ? And Anthony Spencer.
I mention the Purdue defensive end here because of Jim Wexell's column from Monday, and the subsequent news that the Steelers finally brought Spencer in for a visit. I didn't list Spencer as one of my four favorite first-rounders, but honestly, that had a lot to do with him kinda falling off the radar the last month or so. That said, if Roger Goodell called his name as the Steelers' first-round pick, I'd be fine with it. One of the great things about the Internet is the access to information. It's also one of the worst things about the Internet.

Everybody -- and I mean everybody -- has a mock draft. Three or four years ago, you could count the number of "legitimate" mock drafts on one hand. Now, you can spend hours perusing thousands of mock drafts that all have one thing in common: after the first few picks, they're invariably wrong. And there's nothing wrong with that; it is entertainment, after all. But I know -- at least for me -- I'm subconsciously swayed by what I read. Remember last year? Raise your hand if you were convinced Darnell Bing and Ko Simpson probably would be long gone by the time the Steelers finally got around to making their second pick in the draft (remember, Pittsburgh traded out of the second round and had two third-rounders).

Every mock draft I saw had both of these guys being off the board in the second round ? and they both ended up as fourth-round picks. And Bing, who ran a slow 40 time at his Pro Day, was moved to linebacker. And remember Penn State cornerback Alan Zemaitis? Most mock draft sites had him as a likely second-rounder and like Bing and Simpson, he lasted until the fourth.

Yeah, I'll be surprised if the Steelers take Spencer at 1.15, but only because I've been conditioned to think that way. But here's something to keep in mind: Mayock said this about Spencer: "The Ravens would love him because of his versatility." That's all I need to know.


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This is great news:
Reid has fully recovered from a foot injury that sidelined him last season and should be able to work his way into the wide receiver rotation, something that will keep him active on game days.
Not only does this solve the Steelers' punt-return problem, it also means I don't have to think things like, "hey, maybe Pittsburgh should think about drafting Ted Ginn because he's a great return guy." Yes, I admit it, I had those thoughts, but they were fleeting. And it's hard to blame me -- did you see the cast of characters the Steelers paraded out for punts last season? Anyway, I welcome Reid's return. He solves a special teams issue and I also hope he can be in the mix for the third or fourth wide receiver job. I know he's raw, but in the five training camp practices I saw, he didn't drop a pass during 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills. Now, I have no idea if he can run routes, beat press coverage, or find the soft spots in a zone, but he can catch, and that alone should move him ahead of Cedrick Wilson on the depth chart.
I checked my notes from training camp, and here's what I wrote while watching Reid field punts:

Reid again showed a knack for making players miss and then reaching full speed in a matter of steps. And just so you know, some people think Reid is actually faster than Holmes.
Glad you're back, Willie.
By the way, Mayock rates Ginn as his No. 2 wideout behind Calvin Johnson, but primarily because he is such a great return guy. Mayock admits that Ginn has a long way to go as a pass catcher and cited this interesting statistic: 80 percent of Ginn's routes were either crossing patterns, hitches or go