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tony hipchest
05-01-2007, 12:18 AM
i know, i know....... "give him a chance", "theres a plan in place", "havent even taken the field yet", "the sky is not falling", "trust the rooneys":blah: :blah: :blah:

this is still a good article (though something we, as steelerfans, really dont want to hear):

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07121/782337-87.stm


Tuesday, May 01, 2007

By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Does anyone have a cell phone number for Bill Cowher?

Is it too late to try to talk him out of retirement?

How about bringing back Tom Donahoe as well? He and Cowher didn't speak at the end of their time running the Steelers, but, even in that uncivilized state, it's hard to imagine them having a worse NFL draft weekend than Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin had this past weekend.

OK, so that's an intended exaggeration, offered strictly for effect. Everyone knows Colbert has done a superb job with the Steelers' personnel department, so good that he had a huge role in the franchise's Super Bowl XL win. As for Tomlin, who can say? It's way too soon to judge the new coach. He hasn't lost a game yet. Of course, he hasn't won one, either, but you get the idea.

It's just that it's pretty hard to like what Colbert and Tomlin did during the NFL's 72nd annual Player Selection Meeting.

It's not so much their sexy picks, the top two picks. There's nothing wrong with those. Florida State junior outside linebacker Lawrence Timmons might have been a bit of a reach at No. 15 in the first round, but it's forgivable if he was. The Steelers had a screaming need at the position. Joey Porter is gone. Clark Haggans probably will be gone after the '07 season. No one is sure James Harrison will get it done as Porter's replacement. Colbert and Tomlin were smart to take not just Timmons, but outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley in the second round. Woodley, a dominating player at Michigan, looks like especially good value.

It's the third- and fourth-round picks that are troubling.

A tight end and a punter.

Really, has anyone seen Cowher's number?

While you're looking for it, see if you can find a running back, will ya?

You know, the one the Steelers had to draft but didn't.

There's only one thing dumber than a franchise that long has under-utilized its tight ends drafting a tight end in the third round. That's trading up in the fourth round to take a punter.

A punter!

Donahoe is out of work and available, isn't he?

All right, enough of that.

At least it's comforting to know new offensive coordinator Bruce Arians is flexible. He emerged from a bunker at the Steelers' South Side headquarters Saturday after the team drafted Minnesota's Matt Spaeth in the third round and allowed he really might like to use three-tight end sets from time to time. Earlier, he had said he hopes to use four wide receivers on some first-down plays.

Here's the kicker:

(No, not that blasted punter.)

Arians could end up doing both a lot more than he had planned. He might not have a running back to line up before the '07 season is very old. There's Pro Bowler Willie Parker. And there's ...

Well, there's Willie Parker.

The Steelers want you to think Najeh Davenport is another Jerome Bettis, but it's OK to be a nonbeliever. They also have hopes that Verron Haynes will work his way back into the mix, but he wasn't very good when he was healthy. Now he's trying to come back from a major knee injury?

That's why it made no sense for the Steelers to pass on a running back in the third round. They could have had Penn State's Tony Hunt. He would have looked good giving Parker the occasional break, wouldn't he?

Certainly, the Steelers could have gotten a running back in the fourth round. They gave away their sixth-round pick to move up seven spots to take Baylor punter Daniel Sepulveda. Why not move up a little further and take Louisville running back Michael Bush? Oakland got him with the first pick of the fourth round. Bush could end up being the steal of the draft if he's able to come back from a serious leg injury. Or how about Ohio State's Antonio Pittman, a productive player at a big-time football school? He went to New Orleans just four picks before the Steelers took Sepulveda.

But, hey, look at the bright side.

The Steelers will get a lot of use out of Sepulveda if they can't run the ball.

We're talking about a team that lives or dies with the run. It's the only way to go. The Steelers play in the Northeast, often in cold, wet, unforgiving weather that isn't conducive to throwing pass after pass. But even if they were a dome team, they should want to ease the load on Ben Roethlisberger. You might have heard, Big Ben is coming off a 23-interception season.

Tomlin is supposed to continue the Steelers Way. No problem, he says. From day one, he has talked about football being a game of toughness, a game of attrition, how his team will be the one standing after running the ball and stopping the run all day.

Therein lies the contradiction.

Sepulveda makes the Steelers tougher?

He had better have 4.3 speed.

He could end up at running back if Parker goes down.


dont shoot the messenger people. i just think this is a well written piece that lays out a view that may will agree with, and many will hate.

fansince'76
05-01-2007, 12:24 AM
Sorry, Tony - lost me at the name "Ron Cook." According to him, neither Cowher or the FO ever did anything right either. Sorry, I'm shooting the messenger in this case.

Preacher
05-01-2007, 12:38 AM
Sounds like WAY TOO MUCH monday moring QB'ing for me...

especially when he keeps talking about... "Steelers are a running team... steelers this steelers that... well, the problem is that THIS IS A NEW COACH AND A NEW STAFF. he has NO IDEA what the Steelers are now...

tony hipchest
05-01-2007, 12:42 AM
Sorry, Tony - lost me at the name "Ron Cook." According to him, neither Cowher or the FO ever did anything right either. Sorry, I'm shooting the messenger in this case.but im the messenger... and everybody loves me...:hug:

:sofunny:

fansince'76
05-01-2007, 12:48 AM
A couple more gems from Cook:

"Tomlin is a Token:"
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07023/756022-87.stm

"Firing Tim Lewis makes no sense:" (You kidding me? The father of the bend-AND-break defensive scheme?)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04007/258790.stm

Consider the source, is all I'm saying.

Steel Pit
05-01-2007, 03:29 AM
Agree with the Cook opinions. He wears a nasty beard therefore he thinks he knows it all. Buy him a bucket of fried chicken and send him back to the couch. That should keep him busy for at least an hour.

Atlanta Dan
05-01-2007, 07:04 AM
The Steelers need a running back. Instead they drafted a TE and moved up to draft a punter.

It is like buying the plasma you "need" for football season and taking that "necessary" vacation instead of fixing the roof that is leaking.

The TE or punter might be justified separately but making both of those picks without taking a RB is a puzzler. For once I am with Cook on this.

CargoJon
05-01-2007, 08:12 AM
I have to agree with Cook too. Why we didn't take Bush or Pittman is beyond me. Even Hunt would have been a good fit.

A punter? A Tight End? Don't we have a guy named Heath Miller on this team?

What ever happened to drafting need? And if you're drafting BPA, you mean to tell me that the punter was the BPA at that spot??

ETA: Also, did anybody take a serious look at trading up for Kalil the C from USC? Is Okobi really the answer at C for us since Hartings hung it up?

Buzz05
05-01-2007, 09:47 AM
I dont know enough about Ron Cook to make a valid opinion on him. Other then Beano is his dad and Beano is the man imo. But from what I have read it seems like he has a chip on his shoulder or just seems like he is out to complain about something.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-01-2007, 09:55 AM
Screw Ron Cook,when's the last time he had something GOOD to say about the Steelers?

Isn't he the guy who wrote the "Tomlin is a Token" article?There is all the proof you need to know this guy is a hack.

He's a joke,one that's not even funny at that.

kochmanski
05-01-2007, 10:10 AM
Really, were any of the running backs that were available in this draft all that fantastic? I mean, there was no sure-fire bet. They were all a little ho-hum if you ask me. I think the Steelers realized that.

And I love that we grabbed Gary Russell on Monday morning. So he's not that bright. If we can shape him up and turn him into a bruiser, there's your new Steelers running back, right there.

Counselor
05-01-2007, 10:29 AM
I have to agree with Cook too. Why we didn't take Bush or Pittman is beyond me. Even Hunt would have been a good fit.

A punter? A Tight End? Don't we have a guy named Heath Miller on this team?

What ever happened to drafting need? And if you're drafting BPA, you mean to tell me that the punter was the BPA at that spot??

ETA: Also, did anybody take a serious look at trading up for Kalil the C from USC? Is Okobi really the answer at C for us since Hartings hung it up?



Pahleez! Ron Cook is Jackass. If you blame Tomlin and Colbert for not taking a running back, you have to blame Cowher for the same last year. Sorry, it was clear as crystal Duce Staley was not the answer. Michael Bush has lingering injury issues, Pittman is a little guy like Parker--Tony Hunt's been faulted for his unright running style (like Davenport). None were ideal. Quality running backs---more than many other positions can be found as FA's. Look at WP and Mike Bell. We signed three---lets give this staff a chance before we burn them in effigy.

As for the Punter--we NEED a new punter. Lets face it, turnovers and special teams were out downfall last year. Personally I embrace the notion of making ST a top priority. It is a third of the game. And if this guy is as good as they say, then he's worth a 4th round pick.

The tight end---yes, we have Heath Miller and Tuman and no one else. If you want three-tight end sets---you need one more--who can actually catch----because unfortunately 2 does not equal 3. If you all remember we drafted one of those last year as well and he didn't work out. Another instance where if you criticise Tomlin for drafting one, you gotta criticize cowher as well since we had Miller last year and still drafted a TE. Hey maybe Arians and Tomlin will actually USE a tight end to catch!

Lastly, lets give Okobi a shot before we kick him to the curb too. He's been backing up a pro-bowler for how long now? I think maybe we can give him a shot. We also have Philips we drafted last year and Mahan and Simmons. Trust me if we had drafted a Center, Ron Cook would have criticized that too as a wasted pick not based on need.

Counselor
05-01-2007, 10:31 AM
Really, were any of the running backs that were available in this draft all that fantastic? I mean, there was no sure-fire bet. They were all a little ho-hum if you ask me. I think the Steelers realized that.

And I love that we grabbed Gary Russell on Monday morning. So he's not that bright. If we can shape him up and turn him into a bruiser, there's your new Steelers running back, right there.


Well Said.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-01-2007, 11:50 AM
Ron Cook never has anything good to say anyway. Why should this article be any different? To much is being made out of trading up for a punter. Shut up already about it. As for Tony Hunt, Cook acts like the Steelers passed on the next Marcus Allen or Walter Payton.lol As for Michael Bush, yes I wouldn't have minded the Steelers taking a chance on him also since I thought he was top 10 pick before his injury. But he has a steel rod in his leg so I don't blame the Steelers for not taking that chance.

HometownGal
05-01-2007, 02:39 PM
Sorry, Tony - lost me at the name "Ron Cook." According to him, neither Cowher or the FO ever did anything right either. Sorry, I'm shooting the messenger in this case.

I'm with you on this one, fansince. Whenever I see Ron Cook's name, I immediately think of........

http://www.deardeath.com/pictures/grim_reaper.jpg

I won't shoot the messenger, though my computer screen would probably thank me after all of the iced tea and coffee I've spit on it for the last year reading his posts. :wink02: :cheers:

Stillers43
05-01-2007, 04:20 PM
I really like the pick of the punter. We need one, and I think we got the best! I can't wait to get his jersey already. The only pick that concern me was the TE in the 3rd. I would have been much happy with Bush, Pittman, or Hunt (all of which were still there).

Crushzilla
05-02-2007, 06:37 AM
WOW WOW WOW

I can't be nice about this, because Ron Cook is a jackass

Here are a few things WRONG about Ron Cook's latest "mouth diarehha"


"They also have hopes that Verron Haynes will work his way back into the mix, but he wasn't very good when he was healthy. Now he's trying to come back from a major knee injury?"
"Michael Bush? Oakland got him with the first pick of the fourth round. Bush could end up being the steal of the draft if he's able to come back from a serious leg injury."


So... it is impossible for Verron Haynes to come back from a knee injury and contribute, but it is highly probable that Michael Bush will be the next Bo Jackson with a metal rod in his leg?



"Sepulveda makes the Steelers tougher?"


You beat your ass he does... watch the video, Ron



"The Steelers will get a lot of use out of Sepulveda if they can't run the ball."

I'm lost on why people think the Steelers won't be able to run the ball this year. The only member of our running offense we lost is Hartings. Willie did PRETTY damn good last year with the same guys on the depth chart.
We will get a lot of use out of him? Good. I don't see the problem with drafting college's most celebrated punter in years. If he can pin the ball inside the ten, out defense can show up, force a punt, get field position we'll be ok. It's called OPTIMISM, Ron. Or is it much more fun to stir up trouble. There are so many obscene things I wan't to say. I will refrain. I can't believe I gave this article my time... STUPID

Steel Pit
05-03-2007, 04:47 AM
I don't really know what the guy's bitching about. After the first 3 rounds or so, your chances of picking up a quality player are a roll of the dice anyway. You'll probably have equal luck finding a future starter in the sixth round as you would among undrafted guys or guys from the CFL. They're all low-percentage moves that occasionally pay off.


You're right about that. After round 3 you might as well do like the auto-lotto and let the dang computer pick your players. Do you want the kicker? No but we'll take a punter.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
05-03-2007, 06:57 AM
if a guy can play, we soon forget (or could even care less) what round he was picked in...the only ones we typically remember are high first / second round flops...scott shields, anyone?

Edman
05-03-2007, 03:12 PM
More Pulitzer material from our master local paper hack, Ron Cook.

After writing that Tomlin was only hired out of race, that destroyed what little credibility he had left. The Steelers are a running team? How do we know that? Cowher is gone. Most of the coaching staff is gone. We have a new coach, so that means a new philosophy on offense and defense. How can Baldy assume we're still a running team? On another note, we needed a punter desperately. Our special teams stunk last year. I don't think I could stomach Gardocki's lame ducks for another season.

These aren't the Cowher Steelers anymore, these are the Tomlin Steelers. What they have in store is yet to be seen.