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lamberts-lost-tooth
05-07-2007, 03:17 AM
Agent promises Timmons won't hold out

By John Harris
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, May 7, 2007


Wildly successful agent Drew Rosenhaus has never experienced a player holdout he didn't enjoy.
But he has good news for Steelers fans who are concerned about his bad-guy reputation for holding teams hostage during contract negotiations.

Rosenhaus guaranteed that first-round draft pick Lawrence Timmons will be signed in time for the start of training camp in July at Saint Vincent College.

"We have all confidence that Lawrence will be signed before camp starts," Rosenhaus said.

Timmons, the Florida State linebacker who was the 15th overall player selected in this year's draft, will participate in his first official team function -- a mandatory minicamp Friday-Sunday at the Steelers' South Side facility.

"He's going to be at every minicamp, every workout -- everything," Rosenhaus said. "He'll operate as if he's under contract right now."

Rosenhaus said NFL teams traditionally don't begin serious contract talks with rookies until a couple of weeks before training camp.

With Timmons being drafted in the middle of the first round, both sides may decide to wait for players taken earlier in the draft to sign, so that their contracts can be slotted according to their position.

"About a week before training camp, there's a process in the negotiations where you'll see a flurry of signings, and a vast majority of players will report on time," Rosenhaus said. "That's just the way it goes."

Here's how negotiations typically go for the controversial Rosenhaus:

Sometimes, in order to speed up negotiations, he instructs his clients to boycott minicamp or training camp -- sometimes both.

A partial list of holdouts represented by Rosenhaus in recent years includes Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin, Carolina Panthers linebacker Dan Morgan, Denver Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker (who was a holdout with Green Bay), New Orleans Saints cornerback Mike McKenzie (then with Green Bay), New York Giants running back Reuben Droughns (then with Cleveland), Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens (then with Philadelphia) and Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs.

How do the Steelers know Rosenhaus won't utilize the same strategy with Timmons?

"That's such a misconception," said Rosenhaus, a workaholic who represents more than 90 clients. "Since March 2, we've negotiated over $300 million worth of NFL contracts. We know how to get guys signed.

"Occasionally, once in a blue moon, we'll have a proverbial guy that has a contract-related issue. But we haven't had a rookie hold out of training camp in years."

Chicago general manager Jerry Angelo blamed Rosenhaus for a botched trade that would have shipped Briggs, a Rosenhaus client who wants to renegotiate his contract, to the Washington Redskins prior to the draft.

Despite expressing his unhappiness with Rosenhaus, Angelo drafted tight end Greg Olsen, another Rosenhaus client, in the first round.

"If I were a fan and my team had a prominent player represented by me, I would breathe a sigh of relief because I know how to get guys signed," Rosenhaus said. "I think that whole, 'oh, no, it's Drew Rosenhaus' thing is a myth.

"The Bears know we're not going to have a tough time getting Greg's deal done."

Ditto for the Steelers, according to Rosenhaus, who also represents running back Najeh Davenport.

"The Steelers have a nice formula. They've got a good negotiator in Omar Khan, who, basically, his job is to get deals done," Rosenhaus said. "I'm very confident that Lawrence's contract won't be an issue. As long as the team is reasonable and the agent's reasonable, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting the deal done."

Sounds like Timmons reporting to training camp on time is already a done deal.

83-Steelers-43
05-07-2007, 03:45 AM
"I think that whole, 'oh, no, it's Drew Rosenhaus' thing is a myth

And on that note, oh no it's Drew Rosenhaus. It's going to be great dealing with this weasel for years to come. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we have anybody else on our roster who has this guy as an agent? I do not recall ever hearing his name brought up in the local media when it comes to the Steelers.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-07-2007, 04:57 AM
I think Davenport and Timmons are the only two...

Jeremy
05-07-2007, 08:02 AM
Actions speak louder than words. We'll see what happens.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-07-2007, 08:19 AM
The thing about DR is I don't ever remember him telling a rookie to hold out.

His clients that he tells to hold out are already big stars,so people know what they can do.A rookie holding out only hurts the player.

HometownGal
05-07-2007, 08:29 AM
I'd trust a rattlesnake before I'd trust Rosenhaus.

LLT - if I'm not mistaken, Verron Haynes is also represented by Rosenhaus, unless he fired him recently.

tony hipchest
05-07-2007, 08:51 AM
Have you dealt with [agent] Drew Rosenhaus on a first-round pick before?

Kevin Colbert: I like Drew. Honestly, I've know Drew for I don't know how many [years] – since 1990. Drew has always been very up front. If we've had to do a deal with him, we've been able to do deals with the guy. I'm sure there are different opinions, but we've always had a great relationship. Negotiations are always going to be tough. He's going to do his job for his client, We're going to do our job for the team. But we'll come to an agreement.

Who are some of those other guys that you've dealt with Rosenhaus?

Kevin Colbert: This goes all the way back. This is back to 1990 when he represented Jeff Cross, who was a defensive lineman from Missouri. There's so many [players]. We don't anticipate that problem. We never let the agent affect whether we're going to take a player anyway. drew knows theres certain teams you have to play hardball with. especially the teams that are notorious for trying to squeeze every penny out of every player such as the bears. then theres teams like the steelers where he knows you dont "tug on supermans cape". hes smart enough to know you dont set any benchmarks or pull a fast one on kahn and colbert.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-07-2007, 09:33 AM
I'd trust a rattlesnake before I'd trust Rosenhaus.

LLT - if I'm not mistaken, Verron Haynes is also represented by Rosenhaus, unless he fired him recently.

Your correct...but he isnt on our roster:flap:

HometownGal
05-07-2007, 10:09 AM
Your correct...but he isnt on our roster:flap:

Elementary, my dear LLT. He will be. :wink02:

The Duke
05-07-2007, 12:34 PM
Didn't know we had 3 players represented by Rosenhaus. Doesn't seem like a bad agent. i'm just glad he isn't Faneca's agent....

SteelerFanInCA
05-07-2007, 01:22 PM
Rosenhaus = Scum

I just don't trust that guy.

fansince'76
05-07-2007, 02:03 PM
The thing about DR is I don't ever remember him telling a rookie to hold out.

His clients that he tells to hold out are already big stars,so people know what they can do.A rookie holding out only hurts the player.

If Timmons lives up to being a 1st round pick, he won't be here past his rookie contract, and a certain shyster named Rosenhaus will be a big reason why. Bank on it.

yinzer-inseattle
05-07-2007, 02:38 PM
Here's a wikipedia link that shows DR's client list (sroll down half way). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Rosenhaus.

If you read the list there are a lot of good players there, and only one or two (sorry sb TO) that might have presented potential holdout or heartburn for the team. I wonder how much of his reputation is built up by his representation of TO. I know DR's a hardass when it comes to negotiations. If I were a player, I'd be confident that he would get me one of the best deals out there, and not jeaopardize my career by doing anything extreme.

I think he'll work it out with Timmons and the Steelers before camp and everyone will be happy.

Dynasty
05-07-2007, 02:45 PM
I find him to be a good agent... His reputation has been totally blown out of proportion by the TO affair.

FastWillieParker39
05-07-2007, 02:49 PM
it would be idiotic if Timmons held out. He has a lot of potential but to hold on a rookie season would be dumb. Even if Reggie Bush or Vince Young would have done it last year woud be dumb.

The Duke
05-07-2007, 02:52 PM
it would be idiotic if Timmons held out. He has a lot of potential but to hold on a rookie season would be dumb. Even if Reggie Bush or Vince Young would have done it last year woud be done.

yeah no rookie should ever hold out no matter who they are, their whole carreer can be ruined.

SteelCzar76
05-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Agent promises Timmons won't hold out

By John Harris
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, May 7, 2007


Wildly successful agent Drew Rosenhaus has never experienced a player holdout he didn't enjoy.
But he has good news for Steelers fans who are concerned about his bad-guy reputation for holding teams hostage during contract negotiations.

Rosenhaus guaranteed that first-round draft pick Lawrence Timmons will be signed in time for the start of training camp in July at Saint Vincent College.

"We have all confidence that Lawrence will be signed before camp starts," Rosenhaus said.

Timmons, the Florida State linebacker who was the 15th overall player selected in this year's draft, will participate in his first official team function -- a mandatory minicamp Friday-Sunday at the Steelers' South Side facility.

"He's going to be at every minicamp, every workout -- everything," Rosenhaus said. "He'll operate as if he's under contract right now."

Rosenhaus said NFL teams traditionally don't begin serious contract talks with rookies until a couple of weeks before training camp.

With Timmons being drafted in the middle of the first round, both sides may decide to wait for players taken earlier in the draft to sign, so that their contracts can be slotted according to their position.

"About a week before training camp, there's a process in the negotiations where you'll see a flurry of signings, and a vast majority of players will report on time," Rosenhaus said. "That's just the way it goes."

Here's how negotiations typically go for the controversial Rosenhaus:

Sometimes, in order to speed up negotiations, he instructs his clients to boycott minicamp or training camp -- sometimes both.

A partial list of holdouts represented by Rosenhaus in recent years includes Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin, Carolina Panthers linebacker Dan Morgan, Denver Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker (who was a holdout with Green Bay), New Orleans Saints cornerback Mike McKenzie (then with Green Bay), New York Giants running back Reuben Droughns (then with Cleveland), Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens (then with Philadelphia) and Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs.

How do the Steelers know Rosenhaus won't utilize the same strategy with Timmons?

"That's such a misconception," said Rosenhaus, a workaholic who represents more than 90 clients. "Since March 2, we've negotiated over $300 million worth of NFL contracts. We know how to get guys signed.

"Occasionally, once in a blue moon, we'll have a proverbial guy that has a contract-related issue. But we haven't had a rookie hold out of training camp in years."

Chicago general manager Jerry Angelo blamed Rosenhaus for a botched trade that would have shipped Briggs, a Rosenhaus client who wants to renegotiate his contract, to the Washington Redskins prior to the draft.

Despite expressing his unhappiness with Rosenhaus, Angelo drafted tight end Greg Olsen, another Rosenhaus client, in the first round.

"If I were a fan and my team had a prominent player represented by me, I would breathe a sigh of relief because I know how to get guys signed," Rosenhaus said. "I think that whole, 'oh, no, it's Drew Rosenhaus' thing is a myth.

"The Bears know we're not going to have a tough time getting Greg's deal done."

Ditto for the Steelers, according to Rosenhaus, who also represents running back Najeh Davenport.

"The Steelers have a nice formula. They've got a good negotiator in Omar Khan, who, basically, his job is to get deals done," Rosenhaus said. "I'm very confident that Lawrence's contract won't be an issue. As long as the team is reasonable and the agent's reasonable, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting the deal done."

Sounds like Timmons reporting to training camp on time is already a done deal.



And.....uhhhhhhh....what exactly could Rosenhaus possibly use as 'grounds' for a 'holdout' regarding Timmons ? (Knock it off. LOL)
Rosenhaus though perhaps of 'dubious' character (depending upon one's perspective) is not a fool by any means. And pleasbelieveit that he realizes that his client was exceptionally fortunate to be drafted at 15. (As no other team in the league would have drafted Timmons that high,....and that's reality)
Whether or not this makes Tomlin a 'visionary' or 'moron' yet remains to be seen. But the point is as such,.....Drew Rosenhaus is doing his best to give his client some air of credibility by simply even making the truly absurd notion of a holdout on his part even a matter of discussion. (Ie: the false appearence that he is indeed a 'blue chipper' as oppossed to just Tomlin/Colbert's 'reach experiment' or something in between)

But that's just my opinion,......and i hope i'm wrong.

Borski
05-07-2007, 07:19 PM
He kinda funny to watch, but I don't trust Drew Rosenhaus at all...

I just like seeing him and his agents ruin other teams...

Stlrs4Life
05-07-2007, 09:08 PM
Also, don't forget that rookie contracts pretty much follow a formula. Picks outside the top 10 tend to follow a specific formula each year, so both sides basically know what the contract will be for.

ChronoCross
05-07-2007, 09:55 PM
I do not remember a rookie holdout on are part. And I doubt Timmons holds out. Usually the holdouts for Drew are Vets wanting a ton of money.

GBMelBlount
05-07-2007, 10:12 PM
Are they looking for 15th pick pay for Timmons?

tony hipchest
05-07-2007, 10:56 PM
Are they looking for 15th pick pay for Timmons?15th pick from last year plus the 6% (or so) the salary cap went up this year, will be a starting point in negotiations. of course position comes into play. the 2nd qb drafted at 15 will make much more than a 3rd lb drafted in the same position, because qb's generally make more than lb's

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-08-2007, 10:46 AM
I do not remember a rookie holdout on our part.

Actually Roethlisberger held out until August 3rd his rookie year....but he wasnt a Rosenhaus player