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tony hipchest
05-10-2007, 12:07 AM
in the grand scheme of things this may not be a big deal. this story (and huge photo was on the front page of our paper today). my fiancee and her partner took the picture and dozens of others to be introduced as evidence against the 3 teens who did this. this story had created quite an uproar in the community and even made statewide news.

what is weird is that we have had child abuse cases that result in death, that never create such an uproar (a father brutally killed his baby for crying several months ago and people almost yawned).

the puppy is currently alive and many people have volunteered to adopt it if she lives. ironically our pound euthanizes healthy dogs every day.


it seems the community wants the same treatment given to the kids involved. many dont want them in public schools. most are convinced (especially considering their current criminal behavior) that the system has failed them and they are on a 1 way path to jeffery dahmerism. i honestly dont know what i'd do if i found 3 kids doing this to my dogs. i definitely know what i'd do if i found them doing it to my daughter.

Detained for trial
Juveniles to be incarcerated until official hearing in dog attack case



Three juveniles will not be released after they were charged with felony cruelty to animals. The three are accused of trying to beat a dog to death Sunday.

The three Dasha Lombard, 15; James Manzanares, 14; and Nicholas Stogdon, 13 were ordered to be detained until a trial takes place within the next 30 days in 12th Judicial District Judge Jerry Ritter's courtroom Tuesday.

Ritter explained to the juveniles why they are being charged with felony counts. The three face charges of extreme cruelty to animals, conspiracy to commit extreme cruelty and tampering with evidence.

The juveniles were told the possible consequences they would face if they are found guilty of the charges, and were asked to enter a plea.

Linda Burson, the public defender who is temporarily representing the three, said all three juveniles are "standing mute." That means they are not pleading guilty or no contest, but will face trial.

"All three want to go home," Burson said at the outset of the detention hearing.

Assistant District Attorney Michael Kwasniewski then began calling witnesses. Department of Public Safety Officer Roger Schoolcraft was the first.

Schoolcraft responded to a call from a resident of a trailer park on Canal

Street. The witness' little girl had seen the teenagers clustered around the dog in the Canal ditch and ran to tell her father, who then called the police.
When Schoolcraft got there, he said he spotted the three juveniles running across Florida Avenue and stopped them. He said the three told them they had thought the dog was dying and so decided to kill it.

They were smiling and unconcerned, Schoolcraft said.

"Manzanares said, 'It was just a f___ing dog'," Schoolcraft told the court. "They didn't seem to be affected by what they had done."

Kwasniewski walked Schoolcraft through photos of the different items the police had found, which had been used in the attempt to kill the dog.

Clear packing tape had been put around her snout and over her nose to suffocate her; two knives and a flat screwdriver were found in various locations that had been used to stab her; and a 44.2-pound concrete block was found close to the dog. It had been thrown on her at least once and perhaps multiple times.

Stogdon provided Schoolcraft with a verbal and written statement about what happened. Stogdon told Schoolcraft the girl, Lombard, had seen the dog and taken her. Then the teenagers saw the dog was bleeding and decided to kill it.

The next witness, veterinarian Edmund Christopher Staley, testified the dog had been bleeding a little because she was "in heat."

Staley testified the dog had a concussion, was in shock and suffering from blood loss when he received her from Animal Control officers Sunday. She had puncture wounds and a pair of slice wounds to her chest; a contusion on her right ear; and bad bruising on either side of her head.

"She showed a great deal of pain when she was moved," he said.

The contusions on her head turned out to be more than superficial, Staley said. She had a fractured vertebrae. What saved her from the blow or blows from the concrete was the soft earth under her, he guessed.

"It would have crushed her skull," Staley said.

The dog, now nicknamed Sandy, is about 24 inches long from the tip of her nose to the back end of her ribcage, Staley testified.

He also said there was no sign of any kind of previous injury to the dog.

When asked if the dog displayed any aggressive behavior, Staley said, "not at all" and expounded by saying despite her pain, she was licking the hands of the Animal Control officers and waging her tail.

Calling on Juvenile Probation and Parole officers to testify, Kwasniewski proceeded to bring the teenagers' prior records into the picture.

Kathy Cavazos of JPPO first outlined Lombard's record. On Feb. 23, Cavazos said, Lombard was charged with having a deadly weapon on school property. She had also been charged with criminal damage to property when she allegedly spray-painted an elementary school playground. Other previous charges include shoplifting and resisting, evading and obstructing an officer.

Lombard has also had numerous incidents of trouble at school, usually involving verbally abusing teachers.

Cavazos recommended Lombard be kept in detention.

"Her guardian doesn't feel she can take her back," Cavazos said. "She may subject others to injury."

Next, Dennis Gallegos of JPPO was called as a witness regarding his clients, both the boys.

He listed Manzanares' priors, including shoplifting (including one incident where he was with co-defendant Stogdon), disorderly conduct, larceny, receiving stolen property and burglary.

"His mother and grandmother said he wouldn't comply with his coming-home curfew," Gallegos said.

Gallegos recommended Manzanares be detained and undergo a psychiatric examination. He also talked about animal cruelty as a warning sign and an indicator of possible aggressive behavior against people.

Gallegos also recommended Stogdon be detained and undergo evaluation. Gallegos cited occasions Stogdon was charged several times with shoplifting; twice for battery on a household member; for running away; and for burglary.

In closing, Kwasniewski cited studies showing animal cruelty is a precursor to worse crimes. He also pointed out the community could be dangerous to the juveniles.

"The reaction of the public would probably not be as level-headed as (the witness who called police)," Kwasniewski said.

He also pointed out all three teenagers had a propensity for not being where they are supposed to be at any given time.

Defender Burson suggested the juveniles be sent home with ankle bracelets where their parents could monitor them.

"They seem to be very angry young people," Burson said.

Ritter ordered the youngsters be held at a detention center until their trial date.http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/20070508__news01dog05091_Gallery.jpg
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Borski
05-10-2007, 01:42 AM
Oh my God! who could do this?! I know if I saw anybody doing this to anything, Animal or Human I would beat them senseless.

Hopefully the dog can survive without to many health complications.

Clearly these 'kids' are unstable and need to have a psychiatric evaluation, they need to be locked up in a asylum for a long time. I don't want them on my streets.

stlrtruck
05-10-2007, 09:04 AM
Don't get me wrong I love animals but Tony you made a good point about the father beating his child to death and the world just yawns at that. It seems that our views on human life versus an animal's is somewhat dimenished. That's a shame that an animal receives more attention than a child or battered wife.

Now with that said, I don't think the kids should get off scott free but are people seriously more concerned for animal rights versus human rights?

Borski
05-10-2007, 09:17 AM
I am more considered with human rights then animals, I just think what they did was sick.
"if I saw anybody doing this to anything, animal or human I would beat them senseless."

Anybody that does anything like that to anything is sick and disturbed.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-10-2007, 09:29 AM
Don't get me wrong I love animals but Tony you made a good point about the father beating his child to death and the world just yawns at that. It seems that our views on human life versus an animal's is somewhat dimenished. That's a shame that an animal receives more attention than a child or battered wife.

Now with that said, I don't think the kids should get off scott free but are people seriously more concerned for animal rights versus human rights?

Let me answer that for you....Its a Federal crime to break an eagles egg, with a $5,000 dollar fine and up to two years in prison ....yet abortions are legal.

verks36
05-10-2007, 09:39 AM
wow that is ****ed up

83-Steelers-43
05-10-2007, 09:56 AM
This is a disturbing case. I'm no criminal psychologist, but many of today's serial killers started out experimenting with animals. Dahmer used to dissect dead animals. Richard Kuklinski used to put cats (alive) into incinerators. He also used to tie their tails together and watch them fight to the death. The MacDonald triad speaks volumes.

I'm not stating these two disturbed individuals will automatically turn into serial killers later in life, but it's something to keep in mind when hearing about these type of situations.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-10-2007, 10:19 AM
....any truth to the rumor that Marvin Lewis tendered contract offers to them...?

tony hipchest
05-10-2007, 10:40 AM
on a personal note im disgusted by this. but it raises alot of interresting topics on a much larger scale.

-who is to blame?
-how should they be punished?
-are they a lost cause or can they be rehabbed?

the 15 year old girl in question lives with her grandparents and they dont even want her back cause she is constantly in trouble and disobedient. her mom is in jail (probably only 30 years old herself and locked up for drugs. its a running joke in our boring town that theres only 2 things for kids to do. have sex and party. we have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the nation. its so bad the highschool had to build and operate a day care on the premises.

theres no way this girl needs to breed. like i said earlier, a 21-22 year old father was left alone with his baby. it wouldnt stop crying so he repeatedly slamed the babies head in the doorway until it shut up. the 9 month old died a few days later. he was a druggie and of course claimed it was an "accident". these 3 kids who did this to the dog are headed down the same path.

it sucks to think like a nazi and wish there was a way to sterilize these people, but alot of people are thinking it. these kids being put through the system wont do squat, cause our "system" here pretty much sucks. you almost have to throw your hands up and accept it as the direction our youth are going in these days.

83-Steelers-43
05-10-2007, 10:44 AM
it sucks to think like a nazi and wish there was a way to sterilize these people, but alot of people are thinking it.

Good luck passing that one by the ACLU...lol. They would have a field day with that one. With these two, it seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

tony hipchest
05-10-2007, 10:46 AM
....any truth to the rumor that Marvin Lewis tendered contract offers to them...?no, but there is speculation that 2 of them are his illegitimate children.

i think for punishment these kids should be painted black and gold, and thrown into the dawg pound in cleveland after a steelers ass whipping, as the jumbotron displays what they did. instead of being "stoned", they can be "dog biscuted" by 60,000 people.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-10-2007, 11:01 AM
Good luck passing that one by the ACLU...lol. They would have a field day with that one. With these two, it seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I have a friend that works for the probation department....He went to a house to talk with one of his juvenile offenders, and at 1 p.m. the 16 year old kid was still in bed...the mother was in her bathrobe...and the unemployed dad was watching TV. The Mother(instead of getting up)..screams through the house for her son to get out of bed,..then looks at my buddy and says..."I dont know what is wrong with that F***ing kid.
My buddy looks at the filthy house...the disconnected Dad..the overweight Mom in the bathrobe..and simply says...."You plant a potato...you'll get a potato"
To which the mother ...looking confused..replies.."We dont have a garden":dang:

.....nuff said

Counselor
05-10-2007, 04:11 PM
I'm an animal lover and truly want to see these kids punished. But this is also disturbing because of the "slippery slope" effect. Today this cruel behaviour is OK because its "just a dog" Tomorrow its OK because its "just a homeless person" . . . Oh wait that's today too. read this story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18591806/

revefsreleets
05-10-2007, 06:53 PM
This is a disturbing case. I'm no criminal psychologist, but many of today's serial killers started out experimenting with animals. Dahmer used to dissect dead animals. Richard Kuklinski used to put cats (alive) into incinerators. He also used to tie their tails together and watch them fight to the death. The MacDonald triad speaks volumes.

I'm not stating these two disturbed individuals will automatically turn into serial killers later in life, but it's something to keep in mind when hearing about these type of situations.

That's a good point. These kids don't kill people or children first because they know they would get caught because when people go missing, other people notice, but dogs go missing all the time, and it's no big deal. I think the difference is that dogs are completely defenseless through their friendliness and will wag their tail in a friendly manner at people they don't know even after those people have been mean to them.

polamalufan43
05-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Wow, I can't stand when people hurt people, much less when people hurt innocent animals. Lock their asses up forever, they deserve it.
I hope the puppy can still be normal, without any agression towards humans that is.
~Polamalufan43:tt02:

tony hipchest
05-10-2007, 07:42 PM
I'm an animal lover and truly want to see these kids punished. But this is also disturbing because of the "slippery slope" effect. Today this cruel behaviour is OK because its "just a dog" Tomorrow its OK because its "just a homeless person" . . . Oh wait that's today too. read this story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18591806/thanks for the link, which helps to perfectly express my concern. im sure this 10 year old has killed a dog or 2.

this story in my town could with the pup could easilly be like the case in england about 10 years ago where the 2 kids lured a toddler away from the shopping mall to the train tracks and killed him for fun.

unfortunately punishing kids for something they might do is unconstitutional, and current rehab efforts are a complete joke.

i guess we just roll with the punches and accept it as part of the world we live in today.

Preacher
05-10-2007, 08:22 PM
Let me answer that for you....Its a Federal crime to break an eagles egg, with a $5,000 dollar fine and up to two years in prison ....yet abortions are legal.

Point......... Game......... Match.

GBMelBlount
05-10-2007, 08:34 PM
Tony - thx. I'm shocked, speechless and saddened.

tony hipchest
05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Eagles are rarer than humansthey dont murder humans or maliciously try to kill dogs with a slab of concrete either.

but in the instance of the 15 year old girl in this article, i think i would much rather see her sterilized as a punishment for her crimes (if she is ever rehabilitated she can adopt) rather than have an abortion herself or simply kill her crack addicted child for crying.

GBMelBlount
05-10-2007, 09:01 PM
Eagles are rarer than humans

Wow, thanks NC! I never thought of it that way! Hopefully, if we work at it, there will be the exact same number of all species.

Stlrs4Life
05-10-2007, 10:05 PM
I am more considered with human rights then animals, I just think what they did was sick.
"if I saw anybody doing this to anything, animal or human I would beat them senseless."

Anybody that does anything like that to anything is sick and disturbed.

I agree.

HometownGal
05-10-2007, 11:07 PM
I'm with the rest of you - I cannot stand when an innocent child or defenseless animal is hurt or brutally killed. What a senseless, cowardly act. Anyone convicted of an act of violence against a child or animal should be dragged on their faces into a public forum and stoned. Don't have them killed - just let them get a heapin' helping of what pain (and fear) really feels like.

On second thought - just shoot 'em. :m16:

PAMillerGrrl83
05-10-2007, 11:43 PM
I'm in shock Im such an animal lover and this sickens and saddens me. I hope the puppy recovers and these kids need the sh*t stomped out of them.

Preacher
05-10-2007, 11:57 PM
These kids oughta be thumped....

Stick em in juvi for 12 months.

If it was another human...

they should go to jail for life.

I DON'T CARE HOW HOLD THEY ARE

Counselor
05-11-2007, 09:47 AM
this story in my town could with the pup could easilly be like the case in england about 10 years ago where the 2 kids lured a toddler away from the shopping mall to the train tracks and killed him for fun.




I was thinking of that case when I read the story. Similar in the lack of remorse and disturbing psychological issues.

My question is---where are is this lack of human emphathy (for people or animals) coming from? Its seems all too common.

Borski
05-12-2007, 03:14 AM
I was thinking of that case when I read the story. Similar in the lack of remorse and disturbing psychological issues.

My question is---where are is this lack of human emphathy (for people or animals) coming from? Its seems all too common.

I think its fairly rare, the news isn't going to tell us about the billions of people that obeyed the law each and every day. Its sad that there are people in the world that can be so heartless and cowardly.

Elvis
05-21-2007, 09:28 AM
I am more considered with human rights then animals, I just think what they did was sick.
"if I saw anybody doing this to anything, animal or human I would beat them senseless."

Anybody that does anything like that to anything is sick and disturbed.
I have to agree Borski... I am more disturbed hearing about children and the elderly gettin' battered than animals. But I love animals and have always had pets. I just think that sometimes news people pay more attention to the animal beatings than they do our children and elderly folks and that is sad!!!!

beSteelmyheart
05-21-2007, 11:09 PM
Hmmmm...
How does that saying go about reaping what has been sown?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
05-22-2007, 12:59 AM
I dont think its the fact about the dog that many people are concerned with.
When a father beats a kid to death.......the father goes to jail
When kids this age can do such cruel things to a dog......whats going through their heads/.
What will they be like in a few year?
Thats the real problem,

Preacher
05-22-2007, 01:40 AM
I dont think its the fact about the dog that many people are concerned with.
When a father beats a kid to death.......the father goes to jail
When kids this age can do such cruel things to a dog......whats going through their heads/.
What will they be like in a few year?
Thats the real problem,


Thats simple

I wanna be a Bengal player... I wanna be a Bengal player.

When that kid gets his @@@ beat by another kid for being cruel to the animal.. that SECOND kid is saying..

I wanna be a Steeler... and beat your @@@ like a Bengal!!!

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
05-22-2007, 12:24 PM
Thats simple

I wanna be a Bengal player... I wanna be a Bengal player.

When that kid gets his @@@ beat by another kid for being cruel to the animal.. that SECOND kid is saying..

I wanna be a Steeler... and beat your @@@ like a Bengal!!!

You crack me up Preacher

stlrtruck
05-22-2007, 12:37 PM
I'm curious, was Michael Vick around at the time?

tony hipchest
06-22-2007, 07:17 PM
just an update that the dog is ok and has been adopted. today the 1st of the kids was sentenced. the 13 year old will spend 2 years in a juvenile facility.

heres the kicker. do you all remember the cody posey trial? he is the 14 yr old kid who killed his dad, step mom and step sister on news anchor sam donaldsons ranch and used a small tractor to dispose of their bodies in a huge pile of cow manure?

theryre basically doing the same amount of time in the same facility (even though cody posey was convicted of 2nd degree murder our local judge (you only have to have a high school diploma and get elected, to be a judge here) granted posey leniancy and he will be out ass soon as he is rehabbed.

the 13 yr old kid who stabbed the dog has to do his 2 years with no leniancy, not because of public outcry, but because of the "path he was headed down". :rolleyes:

i think the point was already made in this thread how we have become immune to the loss of human life, yet are so shocked when a puppy is nearly slaughtered.

HeyNav
06-22-2007, 08:31 PM
Must be someway the Clintons can be blamed for this.

Cape Cod Steel Head
06-23-2007, 07:55 AM
Must be someway the Clintons can be blamed for this.

I'm sure that there are some people on this board that will spend their entire day at work trying to find that link.

Godfather
06-23-2007, 09:16 AM
Let me answer that for you....Its a Federal crime to break an eagles egg, with a $5,000 dollar fine and up to two years in prison ....yet abortions are legal.

True...of course eagles are also a national symbol. The majority of Americans want flag burners to go to prison, and a living national symbol ought to count for more than a cloth one.

steelerssteelers
06-26-2007, 03:24 AM
Why is it that we have more affinity towards animals than people? Or why is it that I have more affinity towards animals than people?? It is a mystery... :flap:

Elvis
07-01-2007, 08:27 AM
sometimes it seems thats the way things seems..... isnt it? I just know that I love my children and all children for that matter, but I also love all my pets. Children and the elderly are both gifts from God himself. Our pets are here on earth and they are here for our enjoyment. Little children will be in heaven with the other children of God , but our pets will be in their own place.