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Elvis
05-13-2007, 06:57 AM
I am beginning to think that all the NFL, NBA and MLB and all major atheletes just think that they are untouchable by the law. They are doing stupid things and they have gotten away with them for so long that they think that the law doesnt have a right to arrest them for the same things that we get jail time for.. I hope that the NFL's comissioner makes an example out of some of these guys and lets these rookies coming out know that the NFL isnt going to tolerate this kind of stupid antics in this league!!
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RoethlisBURGHer
05-13-2007, 09:24 AM
I agree,they go out and do stuff that we'd get jailed and fired for.

Then when they do get arrested,the act like they did nothing wrong.And when a team takes action against said player,they file a greivance through the players union.

fansince'76
05-13-2007, 09:30 AM
You can safely add Hollywood celebrities to the list. Not only that, but the bigger the star, the more crap they can get by with.

Preacher
05-13-2007, 09:40 AM
I have to agree... I think the problem is that the normal fines and other things that apply doesn't carry the weight for them that it does for us...

how about this...

Next DUI for an athlete or celeb... how about ANYONE.... let the COURTS fine him or her 20 percent of thier wages for that year, proven by the GROSS EARNINGS on thier tax record.

maybe that will change things...

Jeremy
05-13-2007, 10:21 AM
How many of you have been friends with really high level athletes? In high school, I ran with some of the better athletes in our school. The type of kids who had colleges calling every day and had coaches in the stands for all their games. So I can say that this kind of behavior from them doesn't really surprise me. As a matter of fact, I've more than come to accept it as the way things are. An athlete is cheating on his wife? So what. I knew an offensive lineman who was nailing someone else's girlfriend the entire summer before our senior year. An athlete gets out of a DUI? So what. I knew a guy who got busted for underage DUI and it was swept under the rug.

These men (and some women) don't occupy the same space most people do. Their lives are different, they're privileged. Don't hate them for what they have and what they can get away with. Hate yourselves for allowing it to come to this. Every time you buy a hat with the NFL logo on it, you're saying it's ok that the league has thugs and scumbags. Everytime you watch a game, you say it's ok for Pacman Jones to be in a strip club at 3 AM. Everytime you go see a game in person, you're saying it's ok for Mike Vick to have dog fights at his house.

We're as much to blame in all of this as the NFL and the players. But in today's world of it always being someone else's fault, we'll never acknowldege that fact.

fansince'76
05-13-2007, 10:30 AM
These men (and some women) don't occupy the same space most people do. Their lives are different, they're privileged. Don't hate them for what they have and what they can get away with. Hate yourselves for allowing it to come to this. Every time you buy a hat with the NFL logo on it, you're saying it's ok that the league has thugs and scumbags. Everytime you watch a game, you say it's ok for Pacman Jones to be in a strip club at 3 AM. Everytime you go see a game in person, you're saying it's ok for Mike Vick to have dog fights at his house.

We're as much to blame in all of this as the NFL and the players. But in today's world of it always being someone else's fault, we'll never acknowldege that fact.

So I should boycott the NFL because a fairly small percentage of its players think they're above the law? Sorry, not happening. I'm also not going to "hate myself" because the majority of them have been coddled from pretty much junior high on up. I'm not a coach, school administrator, or teacher - I had no hand in that. I didn't tell Pacman Jones to go to a strip club, throw 80 grand worth of small bills on the stage and then foolishly try to get it back, and I'm sorry, I'm not about to blame myself for it either.

Jeremy
05-13-2007, 10:35 AM
So I should boycott the NFL because a fairly small percentage of its players think they're above the law? Sorry, not happening. I'm also not going to "hate myself" because the majority of them have been coddled from pretty much junior high on up. I'm not a coach, school administrator, or teacher - I had no hand in that. I didn't tell Pacman Jones to go to a strip club, throw 80 grand worth of small bills on the stage and then foolishly try to get it back, and I'm sorry, I'm not about to blame myself for it either.

Then don't complain.

fansince'76
05-13-2007, 10:38 AM
Then don't complain.

Sorry, I have every right to complain when the justice system that my tax dollars helps to support fails to do its job correctly.

polamalufan43
05-13-2007, 10:42 AM
Honestly, it's just because officials think that the player or players are so popular that if they do something bad that everyone will hate them. But really, let's just say a doctor who saves lives does something, and goes to jail, then a NFL player gets caught with drugs, and gets a lighter punishment. It just doesn't make sense.

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Jeremy
05-13-2007, 10:48 AM
Sorry, I have every right to complain when the justice system that my tax dollars helps to support fails to do its job correctly.

It's not worth getting into.

fansince'76
05-13-2007, 10:51 AM
It's not worth getting into.

You're right - it is a larger societal problem, and in some small sense, we're all to blame for it. It's also a problem that society at large will have to deal with by eventually collectively saying "enough!"

Atlanta Dan
05-13-2007, 11:03 AM
As Jeremy says, pro athletes develop an extraordinary sense of entitlement from adolescence on as they are idolized by their peers and fawned over by coaches and college boosters prior to unimaginable wealth being acquired as they are just out of their teens. It is the enablers that create the problem.

However, while they can afford high priced legal talent (and that is what makes all the difference in the American judicial system) to deal with their legal difficulties, I think it is their wealth more than their celebrity that allows them to buy their way out of problems. Same situation as a low life like Paris Hilton being held accountable only long after any of us would have been put in the slammer.

In fact, given that non-federal prosecutors are usually elected, in some cases an athlete can be prosecuted to score political points when a non-jock might be left alone - just ask the Duke lacrosse team (in which case the players fortunately had the $$ to beat the DA into a bloody pulp, which gets back to the U.S. judicial system being the best one $$ can buy).

Bottom line is that money doesn't talk in this society - it screams. Arrogant pro athletes are just one reflection of that situation.

Livinginthe past
05-13-2007, 11:04 AM
You're right - it is a larger societal problem, and in some small sense, we're all to blame for it. It's also a problem that society at large will have to deal with by eventually collectively saying "enough!"

The first step is the 'complaint' right?

Thats when the NFL begins to wonder if its demographic is getting turned off by elements of its product - thats when it starts to imagine losing dollars.

Thats when it might take some action.

On the whole, in terms of world wide sports, the NFL is excellent - the consumer demand for it tells us that it is based upon a successful formula.

Even is certain things are accepted in pro-sports by the majority, the blatant use of performance enhancing drugs in baseball for example, it doesn't mean you as an individual can't rail against the things that turn you off.

In short - well said :cheers:

Preacher
05-13-2007, 12:16 PM
How many of you have been friends with really high level athletes? In high school, I ran with some of the better athletes in our school. The type of kids who had colleges calling every day and had coaches in the stands for all their games. So I can say that this kind of behavior from them doesn't really surprise me. As a matter of fact, I've more than come to accept it as the way things are. An athlete is cheating on his wife? So what. I knew an offensive lineman who was nailing someone else's girlfriend the entire summer before our senior year. An athlete gets out of a DUI? So what. I knew a guy who got busted for underage DUI and it was swept under the rug.

These men (and some women) don't occupy the same space most people do. Their lives are different, they're privileged. Don't hate them for what they have and what they can get away with. Hate yourselves for allowing it to come to this. Every time you buy a hat with the NFL logo on it, you're saying it's ok that the league has thugs and scumbags. Everytime you watch a game, you say it's ok for Pacman Jones to be in a strip club at 3 AM. Everytime you go see a game in person, you're saying it's ok for Mike Vick to have dog fights at his house.

We're as much to blame in all of this as the NFL and the players. But in today's world of it always being someone else's fault, we'll never acknowldege that fact.

Funny... I know two people who drafted into NHL hockey... one that actually played for some time. NEITHER of them were like that. Maybe it is just the sport... or the fact that REGARDLESS of what others say, people STILL have to take personal responsibility for thier actions.

And I am sorry... a football player occupies about 9 inches more space height wise, and about 5 inches in width... outside of that, there is no difference in what kind of "space" he occupies. Wrong is wrong. Sleeping with another guys wife or girlfriend is wrong. Period. No excuses. DUI... wrong. Period. The problem is not that we don't understand, its that there are a few people who don't care. Even so, it doesn't make it right... no matter the excuse.

Jeremy
05-13-2007, 12:35 PM
Funny... I know two people who drafted into NHL hockey... one that actually played for some time. NEITHER of them were like that. Maybe it is just the sport... or the fact that REGARDLESS of what others say, people STILL have to take personal responsibility for thier actions.

And I am sorry... a football player occupies about 9 inches more space height wise, and about 5 inches in width... outside of that, there is no difference in what kind of "space" he occupies. Wrong is wrong. Sleeping with another guys wife or girlfriend is wrong. Period. No excuses. DUI... wrong. Period. The problem is not that we don't understand, its that there are a few people who don't care. Even so, it doesn't make it right... no matter the excuse.

Yet we still buy their swag and watch their games. So who's really wrong here?

tony hipchest
05-13-2007, 01:19 PM
Yet we still buy their swag and watch their games. So who's really wrong here?:rolleyes:

so what about all the criminals who arent atheletes? do football fans get the blame for them too?

i guess all the people who support the military are really the ones to blame for 9-11 and all terrorism, huh? maybe its because of all the people who watch the news and buy newspapers. yeah. its our fault. we're wrong. :sofunny:

Edman
05-13-2007, 01:58 PM
All celebrities are above the law.

Ever wondered why Paris Hilton hasn't been thrown in prison yet? Or why O.J Simpson was let off the hook? Or why Martha Stewart served only a paltry time in jail that the "common folk" would get years for?

It's just the sad truth.

Elvis
05-13-2007, 02:01 PM
Good afternoon everyone.. good to see that everyone or alot of you feel the same way I do. I love most all sports and I wish all the players/coaches/owners etc. the best of wishes and hope that all is well on this marvelous Mothers Day.. By The Way... Happy Mothers Day to All the Mothers here in our forrum and God Bless You All, I hope that all your mothers day wishes have came true today , this special day for ya'll, and we love each and every moma out there..:hug:
Now, I work at the Harrahs Casino Hotel in Cherokee, NC and we have alot of rich people that visit our hotel, and about 80% of those richest folks will turn their noses up at ya, and about 10% of them will not even notice you being there in front of them. Now, the other 10% will actually act like they have common sense for other human beings like myself. They will talk to ya and actually carry on a conversation with ya and tell ya to have a nice day also. But, never let anyone tell ya that they are Any Better Than You or Me.. their not, they put their pants on 1 leg at a time just like we do. A pro athelete is No Different.. They all have heartaches and pains and they all have family problems and divorces. They Should Not Be Treated Any Different Than Any Other Criminal In My Opinion..
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silver & black
05-13-2007, 03:02 PM
How many of you have been friends with really high level athletes? In high school, I ran with some of the better athletes in our school. The type of kids who had colleges calling every day and had coaches in the stands for all their games. So I can say that this kind of behavior from them doesn't really surprise me. As a matter of fact, I've more than come to accept it as the way things are. An athlete is cheating on his wife? So what. I knew an offensive lineman who was nailing someone else's girlfriend the entire summer before our senior year. An athlete gets out of a DUI? So what. I knew a guy who got busted for underage DUI and it was swept under the rug.

These men (and some women) don't occupy the same space most people do. Their lives are different, they're privileged. Don't hate them for what they have and what they can get away with. Hate yourselves for allowing it to come to this. Every time you buy a hat with the NFL logo on it, you're saying it's ok that the league has thugs and scumbags. Everytime you watch a game, you say it's ok for Pacman Jones to be in a strip club at 3 AM. Everytime you go see a game in person, you're saying it's ok for Mike Vick to have dog fights at his house.

We're as much to blame in all of this as the NFL and the players. But in today's world of it always being someone else's fault, we'll never acknowldege that fact.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you. I allowed none of what you said. I, and most other fans are outraged that these people are allowed to get away with what they do. How is that allowing this kind of behavior?

Just because I cheer for a certain team, doesn't make me responsible for a player on that team's actions... regardless of weather or not I have a hat with the team logo. You can spin it however you wish, but, at the end of the day, EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions. Any other way you wish to look at it is just a cop out.

The bottom line, unfortunately, is... money talks... the rest of us pay.

silver & black
05-13-2007, 03:09 PM
Yet we still buy their swag and watch their games. So who's really wrong here?

Why do I sense that you don't have very many life miles under you belt? :rolleyes:

fugawzi
05-13-2007, 03:32 PM
Yea it's more an issue of money and position. The true root of most evil. Celebs, athletes, politicians, CEOs etc.

SteelCzar76
05-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,.....wealth is Power. And even fame now more than ever in this 'Pop Culture' society that is now our nation.
And not all whom posses such Power are neccessarily 'worthy' of it. Be that an Athlete, Entertainer, Crooked Corporate Vampire and or Politician.

And at that end of the day most people from whatever economic demographic, are just happy simply just being "human",.... "Governed far more so by vice than they are of virtue". Ie: having no code and twisted morals (if they even posses any at all),.....is bliss.

And requires far less sacrifice and strength of character than to be honorable.

ChronoCross
05-13-2007, 04:50 PM
Well ether its a new Pool are a donation to there retirement fund, but them judges are getting rich over this..

Atlanta Dan
05-13-2007, 05:49 PM
All celebrities are above the law.

Ever wondered why Paris Hilton hasn't been thrown in prison yet? Or why O.J Simpson was let off the hook? Or why Martha Stewart served only a paltry time in jail that the "common folk" would get years for?

It's just the sad truth.

Martha actually got a sentence that was within the federal sentencing guidelines for the crime of making false statements to the FBI of which she was convicted - the federal judge that sentenced her did not cut her any slack. In Martha's case $$$ got her nothing but a great lawyer representing a very guilty client whom he had tried to convince to enter a plea. Of course that case was brought by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of NY (Manhattan) and not some local DA that runs a bait shop on the side.

And while OJ was guilty, chalk that one up to an incompetent prosecution/trial judge and a dim bulb jury that bought into Johnnie Cochran's race baiting rather then OJ's celebrity status; when Dan Petrocelli brought the civil case for damages based on the same facts he beat OJ like a rented mule and the jury found for the Goldman family.

It is all about the Benjamins and the resources to bring a case.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-14-2007, 09:34 AM
Jeremy,the fans are not at fault for a player's actions.

If you go out and shoot someone,am I at fault because we post on the same message board?Hell no.

I have a ton of Steelers merchandise,but if one of the players breaks the law,I didn't enable it.They were going to break the law regardless of if they were playing professional footbball or working a cash register at a gas station.

The people to blame for the athletes and other celebrities are not the public that watch the games,movies,television shows,or listen to thier music.It's the judges and juries that let these people get off easy with probation that most can violate and recieve little or no punishment.It's the coaches is middle school,high school,and college that get the teachers to change the poor grades so the guys can play (and the teachers that give in).It's the boyfriend that doesn't kick the athlete's ass when he find out the athlete was banging his girl.It's the boosters that give the athletes money they did not earn.

I went to Euclid High School in Euclid,Oh for my freshman-junior years.That high school is known for having a very good championship caliber football team,a championship caliber wrestling team,and has always had one of the best baseball teams in Northeast Ohio.There were teachers there who would change grades at a coaches request so a player wouldn't become inelligable.But a lot of teachers refused to do so,because they didn't want to enable that behavior in those athlete students.

fugawzi
05-20-2007, 07:51 AM
I decided to dig up this thread after I saw this video. It's kinda funny. Stereotypical, and the voices are impersonated poorly. check it out:


(add the 3rd w) ww.bangcartoon.com/2007/dogpile.htm

Elvis
05-21-2007, 07:10 AM
O.J. and Paris were two of the best examples I never thought of ... good point!!
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