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05-20-2007, 10:57 AM
Cook: Steelers have to sign Polamalu to be fair to Tomlin
Sunday, May 20, 2007

By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

What a sight Troy Polamalu must have been, relaxing in the hot tub on that cold January day.

Talk about a great place, a fabulous resort, to just get away to for a few days after the Steelers played their final game of the Bill Cowher era. A whole season of 8-8 frustration, not to mention an awful lot of aches and pains, were going up with the steam from the soothing water. Polamalu's wife, Theodora, was off being pampered, getting a massage. He had a few quiet moments to himself and was at peace. It's not hard to imagine him sitting back, closing his eyes, drifting away ...

"Then this old man comes walking up," Polamalu said.

The two chatted, as people tend to do at a hot tub.

"I asked him where he's from," Polamalu said. "He said he lives all over the world. I say, 'No, seriously. What do you do?' He says, 'I own this place.' "

Nemacolin Woodlands Resort and Spa.

It was Joe Hardy.

No, there was no sign of Hardy's 22-year-old bride-to-be.

Just in case you were wondering.

"Listen, they're having a surprise 84th birthday party for me today. How would you like to come?" Hardy asked.

So that's how the Polamalus ended up as special guests at Hardy's table, along with Robin Williams, Gov. Ed Rendell and Tom Ridge, listening to Bette Midler and Christina Aguilera sing and watching all the beautiful people at the party of all parties, even if it wasn't much of a surprise for the very wealthy man of the hour.

"A pretty amazing weekend," Polamalu recalled last week. "We didn't even have clothes with us. We had to buy everything there."

It was pricey, but Polamalu can afford it.

One day soon, presumably with the Steelers, he will sign an enormous contract. Maybe it won't pay him Hardy-like money, but it will make him the highest-paid player on the team.

Don't you wish, Alan Faneca?

The Steelers might be able to get by losing one All-Pro after the coming season. That would be the unhappy Faneca, who made such an ugly scene at minicamp last weekend when he went public with his contract conundrum. But the team can't afford to lose a second great player. It has to find a way to do a new deal with Polamalu, who also will be a free agent after the season if he isn't re-signed.

If it's an either/or situation, Faneca or Polamalu, the Steelers have to go with Polamalu, who's right behind Ben Roethlisberger at the top of their most-indispensable-players list.

"He's our playmaker, our star," Steelers linebacker Larry Foote said at minicamp. "We run a lot of stuff in our defense that's just for him. We can't let him go."

It's nice to think new coach Mike Tomlin has gone to the Rooneys with that same message.

Much has been said and written about the type of defense Tomlin will coach. Will he stick with the 3-4, zone-blitz scheme that Cowher preferred? Or will he slowly convert to a 4-3, cover-2 defense that he learned under Tony Dungy? It's a fascinating topic, but the bottom line never changes: Tomlin needs great players to make either defense work.

The Steelers need Polamalu to be a great defense.

"He's the best player I've ever seen at safety," Cleveland Browns tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. said last season. "He's phenomenal."

It was in the game at Cleveland last year that Polamalu left no doubt that he's one of the NFL's special players. On a three-play sequence in the fourth quarter, he used his incredible closing speed on first down to run down Browns quarterback Charlie Frye for a sack in front of the Steelers' bench; displayed his toughness on second down by slicing through a mass of humanity to tackle running back Jason Wright after a 2-yard gain; and showed his marvelous football instincts on third down by pulling up on a blitz and leaping to bat down Frye's pass intended for Winslow. The Browns punted, and the Steelers scored a late touchdown to win, 24-20.

That's why Foote said of Polamalu that day, "I've been playing a long time, and I've never seen anyone make plays like he makes."

And that's why Foote says now, "His presence alone out there makes you better. Playing next to him breeds confidence. Knowing he's next to you makes you stronger."

Polamalu is saying little about his contract situation. He says little about just about everything and says it very quietly. "I don't know what's going on. I'm just living. ... Only God knows what's going to happen." But Polamalu did add, "Definitely, I'd love to be here. This is home. I live here year-round. I don't think I have to make a case for that."

Surely, you like reading that more than Faneca's startling promise: "This will be my last year as a Pittsburgh Steeler." But the reality is, neither statement means much at this point of the negotiating game. To keep Polamalu, the Steelers are going to have to come up with a very big number on a contract. He might not be paying attention to the negotiations, but his agent certainly is.

Polamalu seemed more interested in what's happening with Faneca. "He's somebody everyone on this team looks up to." Like the Steelers' other veterans, he's wary that Cowher left, that linebacker Joey Porter was released, that Faneca appears all but gone. "I think everybody is a little unsure about the direction of the team."

Don't take that the wrong way, though.

In the next breath, Polamalu said, "I think it's good that things are shaken up a little. Everybody's got to work to establish themselves again. ... There's always apprehension when there's change. I went through it at USC when coach [Pete] Carroll came in. All of us were unsure about what was going to happen. That turned out pretty well."

Carroll won big and still is winning big because of great players.

Tomlin needs great players to be successful.

The Steelers want to give their new coach a fair shot?

They have to do a deal with Polamalu.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07140/787610-87.stm

Atlanta Dan
05-20-2007, 11:04 AM
Cook continues to write as if Faneca can be signed. It would be nice if he did some reporting or at least analysis of recent signings to support that position, but it is easier to write columns like the one he wrote today where we get to read about Troy attending Joe Hardy's surprise party (and with regard to the attendees at that affair, what in the world do Tom Ridge and Ed Rendell have in common other than both presumably have been given $$$ by Hardy in the past?).

Anyone know who Troy's agent is and what his rep is for getting his clients signed with their current team?

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-20-2007, 12:21 PM
Cook continues to write as if Faneca can be signed. It would be nice if he did some reporting or at least analysis of recent signings to support that position, but it is easier to write columns like the one he wrote today where we get to read about Troy attending Joe Hardy's surprise party (and with regard to the attendees at that affair, what in the world do Tom Ridge and Ed Rendell have in common other than both presumably have been given $$$ by Hardy in the past?).

Anyone know who Troy's agent is and what his rep is for getting his clients signed with their current team?

Troys agent is Marvin Demoff ...who is a rarity among agents....he advises his clients that financial security is set by their "budget and his financial investments" and has gone on record too say...."An A-plus contract and grade B money management will be totally outperformed by a grade B contract and grade A money management,"...He is the agent for players like Jonathon Ogden and Julius Peppers...and was the agent for Elway and Marino.

stillers4me
05-20-2007, 12:25 PM
Troys agent is Marvin Demoff ...who is a rarity among agents....he advises his clients that financial security is set by their "budget and his financial investments" and has gone on record too say...."An A-plus contract and grade B money management will be totally outperformed by a grade B contract and grade A money management,"...He is the agent for players like Jonathon Ogden and Julius Peppers...and was the agent for Elway and Marino.

Something tell me that Troy will go for the "grade B contract and grade A money management" concept......which would be good news for Steeler fans!! Faneca needs a good lecture on this novel idea......... but we will move on without him if need be. :tt02:

Atlanta Dan
05-20-2007, 12:27 PM
Troys agent is Marvin Demoff ...who is a rarity among agents....he advises his clients that financial security is set by their "budget and his financial investments" and has gone on record too say...."An A-plus contract and grade B money management will be totally outperformed by a grade B contract and grade A money management,"...He is the agent for players like Jonathon Ogden and Julius Peppers...and was the agent for Elway and Marino.

Thanks - Troy's selection of an agent is yet further confirmation he has it together.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-20-2007, 12:29 PM
Something tell me that Troy will go for the "grade B contract and grade A money management" concept......which would be good news for Steeler fans!! Faneca needs a good lecture on this novel idea......... but we will move on without him if need be. :tt02:

Exactly..Demoff never paints a picture of sunshine and rainbows to his clients..he is usually pretty forthcoming to the realities of football...here is a quote from Troys agent regarding another player

“Right now he has a contract. He intends to honor it, and I'm sure between now and April 1, I'll have discussions with the appropriate people. Larry's been there the last two years and done everything asked of him. He's made the Pro Bowl. He's not been a bad player. If they want to sign someone else instead of Larry and release him, he'll end up playing somewhere else. Players have only so many options."

I love the sensibility of the last sentence.

tony hipchest
05-20-2007, 12:36 PM
Troys agent is Marvin Demoff ...who is a rarity among agents....he advises his clients that financial security is set by their "budget and his financial investments" and has gone on record too say...."An A-plus contract and grade B money management will be totally outperformed by a grade B contract and grade A money management,"...He is the agent for players like Jonathon Ogden and Julius Peppers...and was the agent for Elway and Marino.
i wonder if ogden was made the highest paid lt in his last contract or if he took less than his peers such as o. pace. j. peppers arguably should be the highest paid at his position (theyre currently hoping for an extension that will likely be based off the freeney deal). i think both marino and elway, received highest paid money but its just a guess with elway.

ultimately it will be easier to teach a guard to do what faneca does than to teach a safety to do what troy does. same goes with someone to replace porter. the steelers did a good job to ensure polamalu will be resigned and not put a strain on our future.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-20-2007, 01:14 PM
i wonder if ogden was made the highest paid lt in his last contract or if he took less than his peers such as o. pace. j. peppers arguably should be the highest paid at his position (theyre currently hoping for an extension that will likely be based off the freeney deal). i think both marino and elway, received highest paid money but its just a guess with elway.

ultimately it will be easier to teach a guard to do what faneca does than to teach a safety to do what troy does. same goes with someone to replace porter. the steelers did a good job to ensure polamalu will be resigned and not put a strain on our future.

As of the end of 2005
1) Ogden, Jonathan..Ravens....$ 7,862,009
2) Davis, Leonard...Cardinals.. $ 6,774,416
3) Gandy, Wayne....Saints ......$ 6,085,423
4) Glenn, Tarik....Colts............$ 6,050,666
5) Pace, Orlando Rams...........$ 6,000,000
6) Adams, Flozell Cowboys......$ 5,905,280
7) Runyan, Jon Eagles.............$ 5,701,210
8) Petitgout, Luke Giants.........$ 5,544,400
9) Gallery, Robert Raiders ......$ 5,464,496
10)Anderson, Willie Bengals.....$ 5,421,428

fansince'76
05-20-2007, 01:28 PM
As of the end of 2005

9) Gallery, Robert Raiders ......$ 5,464,496

Gee, I wonder why the Raiders finished 2-14 last season? :hunch:

Black@Gold Forever32
05-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Thats all nice and dandy that Troy has a good agent. But I think its going to take alot of coin to resign Troy. I used to buy into that Troy isn't concerned about how much money he makes or material things but he is still a Pro athlete who probably will want his fair market value.lol

Keeping fingers crossed, knocking on wood and praying to the Virgin Mary that Troy is resigned.lol

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-20-2007, 01:36 PM
Gee, I wonder why the Raiders finished 2-14 last season? :hunch:

yeah....Gallery is definately a "ggsk" Tackle

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-20-2007, 01:39 PM
Thats all nice and dandy that Troy has a good agent. But I think its going to take alot of coin to resign Troy. I used to buy into that Troy isn't concerned about how much money he makes or material things but he is still a Pro athlete who probably will want his fair market value.lol

Keeping fingers crossed, knocking on wood and praying to the Virgin Mary that Troy is resigned.lol

Demoff will get Troy a "fair" contract....but he is open to all the intangibles around contract negotiations....

polamalufan43
05-20-2007, 01:52 PM
Well, it's good Troy has an excellent agent. I'm thinking that's another reason why we might sign Troy sooner than Faneca(if at all, but Venus isn't in line with Saturn's 3rd ring...so...yeah...)

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

nwksteeler
05-20-2007, 07:07 PM
Poamalu is a must sign, there is no way Tomlin can win if the Steelers refuse to resign at least some of their vets.

rbryan
05-20-2007, 08:26 PM
If Troy isn't signed, I'll be the first one to agree with the people here who say the Rooneys are unreasonable (I still won't call them cheap) He's a player worth mortgaging the future for, unlike Faneca, who is on the wrong side of 30 with a piss poor attitude.

I say give Troy an 6-8 year deal and push the signing bonus into the future. You're going to have to take a chance sometime if you want to keep players of his caliber.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-20-2007, 10:47 PM
ultimately it will be easier to teach a guard to do what faneca does than to teach a safety to do what troy does. same goes with someone to replace porter. the steelers did a good job to ensure polamalu will be resigned and not put a strain on our future.

You can teach just about anyone how to block.

What Troy has is instinct,and you can't teach that.

Polamalu seems like a reasonable player.I think he'll take less to stay with a team that will compete for championships and stay in a city that he loves (and loves him) rather than chase the huge dollars and hate where he lives,the fans,and lose all the time.

Atlanta Dan
05-20-2007, 10:56 PM
You can teach just about anyone how to block.

What Troy has is instinct,and you can't teach that.

Polamalu seems like a reasonable player.I think he'll take less to stay with a team that will compete for championships and stay in a city that he loves (and loves him) rather than chase the huge dollars and hate where he lives,the fans,and lose all the time.

He grew up on the West Coast - I agree he would not go to the Raiders, but he arguably could compete for championships in San Diego, Seattle or San Francisco. T.H. has thought for some time the 49ers are going to make a serious run at Troy.

tony hipchest
05-20-2007, 11:21 PM
He grew up on the West Coast - I agree he would not go to the Raiders, but he arguably could compete for championships in San Diego, Seattle or San Francisco. T.H. has thought for some time the 49ers are going to make a serious run at Troy.the 9ers were somewhere about $40 mil under the cap coming into this offseason. as much as theyve spent, im thinking theyve saved a good ammount for next season (with an eye on troy). even if not, the cap is said to raid an additional $7 mil next year so they will be sitting pretty. like it or not, the patriots will probably be able to bid for his services if they want.

sf sees the troy and ronnie lott usc connection and would love to advertise bringing back the "next lott" to their fans.

and mike nolan would have the "ed reed" to plug into his defense. add that with polamalus love for the west coast and it seems like a move the 49ers have to seriously consider.

however i cant discount the family atmosphere and tradition of winning the rooneys have offered troy. and i take him at his word when he says how much he loves it there. the fact that he has made it his year round home says alot to me but its just as easy to move a family.

thank goodness for the franchise tag. i doubt we have to use it but that is the steelers ace in the hole and im sure its been made clear to troys agent, were not letting him walk. i know the rooneys dont like not having the upper hand in negotiations but in this case theyre best off not screwing around and paying troy top 1 or 2 money.

Galax Steeler
05-21-2007, 04:57 AM
I agree tony I think we need to go ahead and give him a 1 or 2 money.

abgroove
05-22-2007, 07:47 AM
We need to give Troy whatever it takes to sign him.

I wish players wouldn't look at other players contracts and say things like "I'd only be the 10th highest paid guard in the league." That's not what's important. What's important is winning championships and being able to take care of your family very well. I read that we offered Alan $19 million guaranteed over 3 years. (These days all NFL contracts are essentially 3 years.) Alan wanted $24 million over 3 years. Will $800,000 (after taxes) stop him from being able to send his grandchildren to the best schools in the best neighborhoods? I don't think so. I know you have to get what you can while you can. I'm not upset with Alan in the least. If the money is most important to you, go for it. I know the Lions and the Raiders will have plenty of cap room to give him the money he wants. I don't think he'll have much fun losing for the rest of his career, but maybe the money will make him feel better about getting pounded every day for the rest of his time playing.

noto45
05-22-2007, 08:00 AM
It seems to be quiet on the Steelers side lately. is there any word at all on Troys contract or signing any of our draft pikcs?

Buzz05
05-22-2007, 08:15 AM
I havnt heard anything about it. But I wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt get done closer to training camp since typically thats what Ive seen.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-22-2007, 08:21 AM
Training camp is 2 months away, but Tomlin sees much to do
By The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 22, 2007


The whistle around coach Mike Tomlin's neck should be a tip-off that it's not business as usual with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Bill Cowher was never seen tooting a whistle during his 15 seasons as the Steelers' coach. Nor was Chuck Noll during his 23 seasons. So some Steelers players were taken by surprise when Tomlin, and not a designated assistant coach, sent them scurrying to a new drill with a whistle blast during their recent minicamp.

For Tomlin, it might be a way to remind the players that he is in charge, especially given the not entirely enthusiastic response to his hiring four months ago.

Already, the 35-year-old Tomlin has been forced to deal with All-Pro guard Alan Faneca's very-visible unhappiness with his contract situation ? and, by Faneca, some of the strongest in-house criticism of Steelers ownership in club history.

Several other players made it be known they wished the Steelers had promoted from within to replace Cowher, rather than hiring a young former assistant coach with only one season as an NFL coordinator.

If Tomlin is uncomfortable with these off-field issues, he has yet to show it. He appeared to be fully in charge during the required three-day minicamp from May 11-13, drawing praise from some players for being a hands-on and motivated leader who cared not about his lack of experience or his players' opinion of him.

"Their job is to play," Tomlin said. "My job is to evaluate them."

There will be a lot of evaluation this week as the Steelers begin 14 days of voluntary-in-name-only practices that will extend into mid-June, ending five weeks before training camp opens in Latrobe on July 23.

Normally, such workouts are for incorporating new wrinkles into the offense and defense and indoctrinating rookies and new players.

But, with the Steelers overhauling their offense and defense for the first time since Cowher took over in 1992, these practices will involve more than that.

"We're getting into a critical stage of the offseason," Tomlin said. "We're continuing to install our football, continuing to work on situational football, continuing to work the details that will allow us to be successful."

Our football?

"We've been using that phrase quite a bit: our football," Tomlin said. "It's our personality, what kind of culture we are trying to create in this building and with this team. The only way you do that is keep coming together and keep working on the details."

Among those details are new offensive looks on first and second downs that may involve four receivers and no fullback. The offensive checkoff system has been altered so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will be responsible for all changes at the line of scrimmage; before, the linemen and receivers made their own such calls.

"Sometimes," Roethlisberger said, "change isn't necessarily bad."

In the next month, Tomlin plans to rework much more than that.

"We're going to have two-minute emphasis, red zone emphasis, short-yardage emphasis days, hurry-up offense, no-huddle offense," Tomlin said. "Just situations that need to be addressed. We know the outcome of games are defined by what happens on critical downs, in critical field position."

The workouts supposedly are voluntary, but Tomlin has hinted he wants all players around. Faneca promised when the minicamp ended that he wouldn't be back until training camp, and there has been no signal he has changed his mind.

Buzz05
05-22-2007, 08:38 AM
For Tomlin, it might be a way to remind the players that he is in charge, especially given the not entirely enthusiastic response to his hiring four months ago.

It seems like the sherriff has arrived. I like what Tomlin is doing. He is simply letting the players know...this is his team. What is in the past is over with. Time to move forward.



Our football?

"We've been using that phrase quite a bit: our football," Tomlin said. "It's our personality, what kind of culture we are trying to create in this building and with this team. The only way you do that is keep coming together and keep working on the details."


I like that phrase. 'Our Football' It shows passion and accountability. Something tells me this is going to be a hard nosed football team that shows Tomlins character and love for the game

TackleMeBen
05-22-2007, 09:19 AM
It seems like the sherriff has arrived. I like what Tomlin is doing. He is simply letting the players know...this is his team. What is in the past is over with. Time to move forward.




I like that phrase. 'Our Football' It shows passion and accountability. Something tells me this is going to be a hard nosed football team that shows Tomlins character and love for the game


:iagree: i am glad to see that Mikey T is showing them who is the boss.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-22-2007, 10:12 AM
Troy's contract will probally be domne by the end of training camp.I think Troy wants his proccess to stay private so I doubt we will hear much about it.

Rookies from rounds 4-7 will probally start signing contracts come mid-June and the talks for round 1-3 picks normally don't pick up until the second week in July so don't expect to hear much on that front in the next two weeks.