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83-Steelers-43
05-24-2007, 09:07 AM
Will Roethlisberger be cashing in early?
Thursday, May 24, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Ben Roethlisberger politely passed word that he had no time for an interview yesterday after Steelers practice; he had to hurry to meet his golf partner, Mario Lemieux.

Roethlisberger will not top Lemieux on the golf course, but he might soon surpass him in another area. No athlete in the history of Pittsburgh pro sports earned more money than the Penguins' Hall of Famer. Roethlisberger could be the one to do that.

The Steelers and Roethlisberger's agent have had early talks about a contract extension for the young quarterback. While it appears nothing will be done this season, the machinery is gearing up for what should be the largest contract in the organization's history.

"We've had some discussions with them," agent Ryan Tollner said. "I'm not sure what they're planning, other than certainly they're considering they want to do a deal. If they would want to start [serious negotiations] before the season, we'd have to start soon. It'll be a complicated contract. If not before this season, we're open to discussion, but I definitely expect it to happen following this season."

Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations, declined comment on any possible negotiations with Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger's next deal looms large over the organization already and might be one reason they won't or can't pay six-time Pro Bowl guard Alan Faneca enough to keep him here beyond the 2007 season.

Roethlisberger will enter his fourth NFL season among the lowest-paid starting quarterbacks in the NFL -- strictly in terms of salary for the 2007 season. He is set to earn a salary of $1 million this year. He has received, however, many bonuses since he was drafted in the first round in 2004, including the initial $9 million in signing and roster bonuses within the first 11 months after he was drafted.

Still, his salary this season is less than backup Charlie Batch, who will make $1,355,000. Neither Tollner nor Roethlisberger have complained about it, and the agent realizes that with three years left on the quarterback's rookie contract, an extension may be a year away.

"At this point, our approach with the Steelers has been to keep things very positive and do what's best for the team," Tollner said. "We understand they have needs and other players to do first. Ben is a team player, and his focus is winning games and whatever's best for the team in that regard."

The Steelers have an unwritten policy that they do not extend players' contracts until they reach the point where they have just one year left on the deal. They have made exceptions for quarterbacks, extending the contracts of Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox when they had two years left.

In fact, Stewart still holds the record for Steelers quarterbacks for signing bonuses -- $8.1 million when he extended his contract three years in 1998, when there were two years left on his old one. Even though it occurred nine years ago, that signing bonus is second in team history only to Hines Ward's $9 million in 2005 (Roethlisberger's first bonus in 2004 originally was reported at $9 million, but that included reporting bonuses, making the signing bonus closer to $7.2 million).

Roethlisberger's rookie contract, negotiated by his then-agent Leigh Steinberg, was done with the intent on both sides that it would be renegotiated after the 2008 season. The lack of serious negotiations to this point underscores that point, even if other teams have written new contracts for their franchise quarterbacks after their second or third seasons in the league.

Four examples of that are Tom Brady, who earned a new deal after his second season with the New England Patriots; Carson Palmer, whose contract was extended by the Cincinnati Bengals in his third season; Jake Plummer, restructured by the Arizona Cardinals after his third season, and Donovan McNabb, whose rookie deal was redone after his third season with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Only the Cardinals came to regret those second deals.

Roethlisberger signed his six-year contract on the eve of training camp in 2004, and it was worth $14.26 million plus an $8 million roster bonus to be paid March 5, 2009. Because he reached so many performance bonuses and incentive clauses in his first two seasons, Roethlisberger earned many more millions.

"I'm sure the Steelers have a plan," Tollner said. "We've certainly discussed it with them and tried to figure what that plan is. We've mentioned their predicament with these other contracts and are doing our best to work with them."

Tollner promised there won't be a peep of discontent this year from Roethlisberger about his contract.

"At this point, Ben is not planning anything other than being there for every workout and playing this season to the best of his ability. Our approach is to communicate behind closed doors with the team, get something done and never have public scrutiny at all."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07144/788646-66.stm

Livinginthe past
05-24-2007, 10:58 AM
This will an interesting one to watch, for sure.

Bens perfomance, and therefore his value to the team was on a pretty steep upward trend after his impresive 1st year and the SB win the 2nd year.

That came to an abrupt halt last year, where injuries and general team performance led to a pretty sharp drop off in production.

It remains to be seen how much Ben has been affected in permanent terms by what happened to him last year - or if the upward trend from 2004 and 2005 can be re-continued this year.

It would have certainly be very complicated to assess his true worth if the renegotiation had been due this offseason rather than next.

At this point Ben is a a top10 QB - if he can get back to his previous performance levels he solidify his position in the top5 and will probably be paid accordingly.

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 11:37 AM
Nice how Ed.B. worked the lead that Ben yet again blew off a request for an interview ("passed the word"? - through who, the clubhouse towel guy?) in the context of going to play golf with another high priced Pittsburgh athlete. Sounds like 2006 has not humbled Ben too much and that he still has a lot of diva in him.

I had forgotten Kordell got re-signed in 1998 with more than 1 year to go on his contract; the Steelers did not repeat that mistake when Kordell pushed for another early renegotiation after 2001.

It is all well and good that everyone "agreed" there would not be a renegotiation for Ben until 2008, but I bet if Ben's 2006 had been an improvement over or at least the same as 2004-05 that there would be serious discussions right now.

I agree with LITP that the Steelers are looking for a big 2007 out of Ben before opening up the vault - it may cost them some $$ but IMHO there is still some uncertainty if Ben is closer to a cosnsitently great Tom Brady/Peyton (I am not saying as great as, just in the neighborhood) or closer to a flash in the pan Kurt Warner/Kordell.

RoethlisBURGHer
05-24-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't think it was "diva" to not interview when he had plans.And hell,with the way the media has painted a "Ben Hated Cowher" picture all offseason,I can't say I blame the guy.

Hell,most people decline phone calls when they are trying to go to a planned event.

If Ben and the Steelers get back on track in 2007 he'll be given the largest SB of any Pittsburgh Steeler ever.That's a no-brainer because the QB is normally the highest paid player on the team,and the Steelers will have to follow that trend to keep him.

However,if that contract were to become burdensome and cause the Steelers trouble to win in the future,I can see Ben restructuring it so the team can compete.Ben doesn't strike me as someone who will play on a crappy team for a ton of money.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I don't think it was "diva" to not interview when he had plans.And hell,with the way the media has painted a "Ben Hated Cowher" picture all offseason,I can't say I blame the guy.

Hell,most people decline phone calls when they are trying to go to a planned event.

If Ben and the Steelers get back on track in 2007 he'll be given the largest SB of any Pittsburgh Steeler ever.That's a no-brainer because the QB is normally the highest paid player on the team,and the Steelers will have to follow that trend to keep him.

However,if that contract were to become burdensome and cause the Steelers trouble to win in the future,I can see Ben restructuring it so the team can compete.Ben doesn't strike me as someone who will play on a crappy team for a ton of money.

:iagree: i think he would rather win than get a ton of money to play for a non contending team

ChronoCross
05-24-2007, 02:22 PM
Personally would wait a year to see if he bounces back 100%...

RoethlisBURGHer
05-24-2007, 02:34 PM
Personally would wait a year to see if he bounces back 100%...

That is basicly what they are doing.The article basicly said that nothing would get done this season.

All they are doing is feeling eachother out,seeing what each one is thinking.It's a good idea because it shows Ben and the fans that just because they won't pay Faneca doesn't mean they won't pay Ben.

stlrtruck
05-24-2007, 03:14 PM
Looks like a feeling out process and nothing more. I believe Ben has been coached at an early age and he is very well grounded. I don't see him going else where just because he's a few dollars off. I believe he is the type of QB that is worried about winning more Super Bowls and not increasing his bank account. Because he knows that with the winning of Super Bowls comes the endorsement deals!!

NV STEELERS 723
05-24-2007, 04:22 PM
Don't blame Ben for passing on a interview....Hey ! he had a tee time...nobody understands that more than me....there is plenty of season to give interviews...go out and grab some sun and hit em long and straight Big Ben !

Edman
05-24-2007, 04:42 PM
Passing on the interview doesn't strike me as "diva" to me at all. He had plans. If he actually did the interview, he might say something, the media will take those words and spin it out to be something he didn't mean to say and make Ben out to be a bad guy or something else. Like Roethlisburgh said, Ben said he and Cowher didn't always agree or get along, and the media painted a "Ben hated Cowher" picture. You all know how desperate the media gets for a story.

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 04:43 PM
Based on Ben giving an interview this afternoon, I retract my previous comments about Ben being a diva for blowing off yesterday's interview request.

As for whether Ben still has an attitude, this interview, which is posted here in full, has some comments where Ben certainly does not lack for self-esteem.

Thursday, May 24, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Ben Roethlisberger knows his next contract is not far off, but that he might have to wait until next year to get it.

"I have enough to think about right now," Roethlisberger said today. "Job security is always important but there's a lot going on right now with other guys and so I'm not going to sit here and gripe and complain. I'm just going to let things happen that happen."

Typically, the Steelers wait until their quarterback has two years remaining on an existing contract before they are willing to sign him to an extension. Roethlisberger's six-year deal he signed as a rookie runs through the 2009 season.

Roethlisberger admits there was some resentment toward him in the Steelers locker room early in his career because of the big money he made as a No. 1 draft choice, but he sees a change.

"I think there was at first, but I think guys have learned that it's OK, we've grown into that," he said.

"As in everything, I always want to get better and I'll want to get better at being a leader -- not taking over, just being a presence in there for guys. I want guys to know that if they're in any kind of problem, if they need to come talk to someone, if they need a place to stay, a car, anything I can help them with, I will be more than happy and willing to do that. I just want them to always know that and I think guys are starting to understand that more, especially the younger guys as they come up."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07144/788797-66.stm

My understanding was the vets' resentment of Ben was because of his demeanor, not because of his contract, but I guess Ben sees it differently.

Sounds like Ben recognizes the old guard still has little regard for him. Anyone think Faneca is coming to Ben for advice?:sofunny:

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:02 PM
Sounds like Ben recognizes the old guard still has little regard for him. Anyone think Faneca is coming to Ben for advice?:sofunny:


Maybe if Fanca wants to try being a hood ornament over the summer :flap: lol.

alittlejazzbird
05-24-2007, 05:03 PM
"Roethlisberger admits there was some resentment toward him in the Steelers locker room early in his career because of the big money he made as a No. 1 draft choice, but he sees a change."

My understanding was the vets' resentment of Ben was because of his demeanor, not because of his contract, but I guess Ben sees it differently.

Ed Bouchette is not quite accurate that Ben was a "No. 1 draft choice," but he was a first round draft choice, and was paid comparably to other first round picks. My guess is that any locker room resentment really was more about money, because the kid started winning games as soon as he stepped under center.

Winning has a habit of making everyone feel all warm and fuzzy. When the Ws are piling up, nobody complains about personality or work ethic.

SteelCityMan786
05-24-2007, 05:04 PM
I'm not shocked that he decided to skip the interview. Not a bad idea, keep things quiet while they go on.

fansince'76
05-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Based on Ben giving an interview this afternoon, I retract my previous comments about Ben being a diva for blowing off yesterday's interview request.

As for whether Ben still has an attitude, this interview, which is posted here in full, has some comments where Ben certainly does not lack for self-esteem.

I think c0ckiness in a QB is a desirable trait, as opposed to a QB with no confidence and who is scared of his own shadow (Maddox).

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 05:10 PM
Ed Bouchette is not quite accurate that Ben was a "No. 1 draft choice," but he was a first round draft choice, and was paid comparably to other first round picks. My guess is that any locker room resentment really was more about money, because the kid started winning games as soon as he stepped under center.

Winning has a habit of making everyone feel all warm and fuzzy. When the Ws are piling up, nobody complains about personality or work ethic.

Myron Cope unloaded on Ben for making a big splash about donating his 2004 playoff check in the Jets game to tsunami victims as showing up the vets. At that point Ben had not lost a game - my bet is Myron had some locker room sources who backed him up on that.

There is a difference between being a brash leader and a showboat. I think that is what drove Cowher up the wall when Ben complained about playing through the "broken toes" and the "broken thumb."

Those issues had nothing to do with salary.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:13 PM
Myron Cope unloaded on Ben for making a big splash about donating his 2004 playoff check in the Jets game as showing up the vets. At that point Ben had not lost a game - my bet is Myron had some locker room sources who backed him up on that.


Seriously, who cares what he does with his money. Its his money do it with and donate it to whatever he likes. Sounds like some guys were jealous that he wanted to be generous and not greedy.

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 05:23 PM
Seriously, who cares what he does with his money. Its his money do it with and donate it to whatever he likes. Sounds like some guys were jealous that he wanted to be generous and not greedy.

Myron said it far better than me:

[Cope] said he would excoriate Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers' rookie quarterback, for announcing that he would give his game's salary to tsunami relief, then challenging his teammates to do the same.

"I love the kid, but this stinks," Cope said during an interview at his condominium. "You shouldn't make contributions to charity public. And for all he knew, someone else in the locker room was donating twice as much."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/15/sports/football/15cope.html?ei=5090&en=c3af23d3b78910b0&ex=1263531600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1157213897-xNfXq08h9lI71hHiMm0c4A

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:26 PM
Myron said it far better than me:

[Cope] said he would excoriate Ben Roethlisberger, the Steelers' rookie quarterback, for announcing that he would give his game's salary to tsunami relief, then challenging his teammates to do the same.

"I love the kid, but this stinks," Cope said during an interview at his condominium. "You shouldn't make contributions to charity public. And for all he knew, someone else in the locker room was donating twice as much."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/15/sports/football/15cope.html?ei=5090&en=c3af23d3b78910b0&ex=1263531600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1157213897-xNfXq08h9lI71hHiMm0c4A


maybe he was jealous that he didnt want to depart with his money as ben did. (dont kill me for saying that.) i always think its a good thing when a public figure does something good for the less fortunate. We always hear about the bad stories, when there are many good stories that dont get told about high profile people actually trying to do something good. And if I were Ben at the time I would have told Cope to stick.

fansince'76
05-24-2007, 05:31 PM
maybe he was jealous that he didnt want to depart with his money as ben did. (dont kill me for saying that.) i always think its a good thing when a public figure does something good for the less fortunate. We always hear about the bad stories, when there are many good stories that dont get told about high profile people actually trying to do something good. And if I were Ben at the time I would have told Cope to stick.

I think Cope had a problem with Ben tooting his own horn for it, rather than the act of donating his playoff game paycheck itself. I have to admit it does make a person look somewhat disingenuous - it makes it look like they had alterior motives for donating the money in the first place. It almost makes that person look like they donated money just to generate pub for themselves rather than to genuinely help those in need.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:34 PM
I think Cope had a problem with Ben tooting his own horn for it, rather than the act of donating his playoff game paycheck itself. I have to admit it does make a person look somewhat disingenuous - it makes it look like they had alterior motives for donating the money in the first place.


some people that continously donate money and brag about it I would agree with you about the alterior motives. somehow i dont think that is what he was trying to do, but its just my opinion :smile:

alittlejazzbird
05-24-2007, 05:37 PM
Myron Cope unloaded on Ben for making a big splash about donating his 2004 playoff check in the Jets game to tsunami victims as showing up the vets. At that point Ben had not lost a game - my bet is Myron had some locker room sources who backed him up on that.

There is a difference between being a brash leader and a showboat. I think that is what drove Cowher up the wall when Ben complained about playing through the "broken toes" and the "broken thumb."

Those issues had nothing to do with salary.

I thought at the time, and I still think, that the only reason Ben made his donation public was to encourage other people (fans, players, everyone) to donate. How on earth is he showing up the vets by doing that? Ultimately, no one but Ben knows what his motive was, but sometimes a thing is simply what it seems to be, and no more.

Any player who resented what Ben did should examine their own conscience to figure out why they were so unhappy. Jealousy and insecurity are at the root of resentment virtually 100% of the time.

Office hours are now over....:wink02:
Signed, Dr. Jazzbird

fansince'76
05-24-2007, 05:37 PM
some people that continously donate money and brag about it I would agree with you about the alterior motives. somehow i dont think that is what he was trying to do, but its just my opinion :smile:

Oh, I agree - I don't think that was Ben's intention at all. However, it may appear to some folks that was what was going on, and I can understand that reasoning as well.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:40 PM
Oh, I agree - I don't think that was Ben's intention at all. However, it may appear to some folks that was what was going on, and I can understand that reasoning as well.

maybe he was automatically going to behind the 8 ball so to say, b/c no matter what he did or does someone is going to say there are alterior motives for him doing it.

fansince'76
05-24-2007, 05:42 PM
maybe he was automatically going to behind the 8 ball so to say, b/c no matter what he did or does someone is going to say there are alterior motives for him doing it.

Yep - damned if you do, damned if you don't if you're a public figure. Makes me glad I'm an anonymous everyday Joe.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:43 PM
Yep - damned if you do, damned if you don't if you're a public figure. Makes me glad I'm an anonymous everyday Joe.


lol...there are pros and cons to both i guess :wink02:.

revefsreleets
05-24-2007, 05:48 PM
I really hope they sign him before he has a monster 2007 and he will have a monster 2007.

83-Steelers-43
05-24-2007, 05:49 PM
Well.....ah nevermind, it's not even worth it. :rolleyes:

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 05:49 PM
maybe he was jealous that he didnt want to depart with his money as ben did. (dont kill me for saying that.) i always think its a good thing when a public figure does something good for the less fortunate. We always hear about the bad stories, when there are many good stories that dont get told about high profile people actually trying to do something good. And if I were Ben at the time I would have told Cope to stick.

I will not kill you for it but point out the following:

You may be curious why is The Terrible TowelTM on the front page of Allegheny Valley School's web site? The answer: Because Myron Cope is a dedicated friend to AVS.

In 1996, Myron Cope walked into Allegheny Valley School President and CEO Regis Champ's office and said, "Rege, I've got a gift for you." He then handed over documents that gave the ownership of The Terrible TowelTM trademark to Allegheny Valley School. From that day forward, the proceeds from the sale of any Terrible Stuff have come to Allegheny Valley School.

Why did Myron make this generous gift to AVS? "Allegheny Valley School is the very best organization of its kind I know of, and I speak from experience," says Cope. "My son Danny, who was born brain-damaged and can neither speak nor otherwise function normally, has lived at Allegheny Valley School since 1982. For my late wife Mildred and me, Allegheny Valley School was a Godsend. Danny is happy and is cared for with expertise, understanding and love."

http://www.avs.net/terribletowel.cfm

The Terrible Towel has generated more than $1.1 million for Allegheny Valley since 1996, when the towel's designer, famed broadcaster Myron Cope, donated ownership of the trademark to the school.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/print_457639.html


Doesn't look like Myron was jealous, does it now?

Elvis
05-24-2007, 05:51 PM
Good point reve...
That is the big thing in this subject, if he has a monster year, then the Steelers are gonna be happy to pay him the money I am sure. But if he struggles then his stock will go down. I hope that the Steelers have to write a big check to the man myself. I just hope that he dont get to hot headed and think that he is the greatest ever. Terry Bradshaw is still the best ever QB to suit up in Pittsburgh Ben, dont forget that...
:tt02::tt02::tt02:

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 05:56 PM
I will not kill you for it but point out the following:

You may be curious why is The Terrible TowelTM on the front page of Allegheny Valley School's web site? The answer: Because Myron Cope is a dedicated friend to AVS.

In 1996, Myron Cope walked into Allegheny Valley School President and CEO Regis Champ's office and said, "Rege, I've got a gift for you." He then handed over documents that gave the ownership of The Terrible TowelTM trademark to Allegheny Valley School. From that day forward, the proceeds from the sale of any Terrible Stuff have come to Allegheny Valley School.

Why did Myron make this generous gift to AVS? "Allegheny Valley School is the very best organization of its kind I know of, and I speak from experience," says Cope. "My son Danny, who was born brain-damaged and can neither speak nor otherwise function normally, has lived at Allegheny Valley School since 1982. For my late wife Mildred and me, Allegheny Valley School was a Godsend. Danny is happy and is cared for with expertise, understanding and love."

http://www.avs.net/terribletowel.cfm

The Terrible Towel has generated more than $1.1 million for Allegheny Valley since 1996, when the towel's designer, famed broadcaster Myron Cope, donated ownership of the trademark to the school.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/print_457639.html


Doesn't look like Myron was jealous, does it now?

well thank you for enlightening me. (i am not trying to be witchy.) i really do mean it.

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 05:58 PM
well thank you for enlightening me. (i am not trying to be witchy.) i really do mean it.

Certainly was not trying to take a shot at you; not that he needs it, but I just wanted to stand up for Myron.

Thanks for the response.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 06:04 PM
Certainly was not trying to take a shot at you; not that he needs it, but I just wanted to stand up for Myron.

Thanks for the response.

I didnt take it as such. I didnt know all that information and I am glad you shared it with me. :wink02:

tony hipchest
05-24-2007, 06:18 PM
im glad to see the steelers actually contemplating an extension that has more than 1 year remaining on the contract. and i look past bens minor "character flaws". unfortunately for him he wasnt groomed all his life for the spotlight of being a celebrity or to play for a national championship contender such as usc, tennessee, or michigan.

so he does still have some maturing to do, as did terry bradshaw. but the steelers should recognize its a good investment longterm, and i dont think theyre looking at this out of the goodness of their hearts. theyre looking at that $8 million roster bonus thats due in the final season of his contract. so in a sense, 08 can be looked at as the final year of his current deal. that bonus would count towards the 09 cap whereas if it were converted to a signing bonus it could be spread through out his whole contract.

PisnNapalm
05-24-2007, 09:22 PM
I have faith that Ben's mishaps last year have screwed his head on even tighter. He won't take things for granted anymore. If he and his agent are smart they will keep things quiet this year and let Ben's play on the field speak instead.

Next year they can begin talking about a new contract. 9 mil up front for not even throwing a ball yet is not chump change.

Galax Steeler
05-25-2007, 05:08 AM
I agree with tony if we give him a extension we can spread it out and not be in cap trouble.

tony hipchest
05-26-2007, 04:13 PM
mark bulger, his agent tom ,and the rams have started preliminary talks on extending his contract. i heard he was quoted in a st lewis newspaper that the sides were close. its fair to put bulger and ben in the same tier, so watch the progress of his deal, as it should set ball park figures and market value of what bens contract could look like.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-26-2007, 04:19 PM
mark bulger, his agent tom ,and the rams have started preliminary talks on extending his contract. i heard he was quoted in a st lewis newspaper that the sides were close. its fair to put bulger and ben in the same tier, so watch the progress of his deal, as it should set ball park figures and market value of what bens contract could look like.

Only thing though Ben's agent might use the fact Ben started on a Super Bowl winner where Bulger hasn't...So I think you're right that Ben's contract could look alot like Bulger's new deal Tony but I wouldn't be shocked if Ben gets more coin since he does have one Super Bowl ring.

tony hipchest
05-26-2007, 04:32 PM
Only thing though Ben's agent might use the fact Ben started on a Super Bowl winner where Bulger hasn't...So I think you're right that Ben's contract could look alot like Bulger's new deal Tony but I wouldn't be shocked if Ben gets more coin since he does have one Super Bowl ring.i considered that but between bens horrible superbowl play and bulgers several pro bowl bids (and a worthless mvp trophy in one) i looked at it as a wash. bens youth, and perhaps signing a contract a year later than bulger could put him a bit higher, especially if he approaches 30 td's and a pro bowl level (his best shot making a pro bowl is as an alternate for brady, or for manning or carson to flat out suck).

the guys i was listening to on sirius said $20-22 mil guaranteed would be fair and in tune with market value current high dollar free agents are getting. im real curious how the steelers are gonna deal with that considering the largest signing bonus they ever handed out was to ward ($9 mil in 05). i think the cap has risen by 8% in the last few years so its fair to say bens contract could be that much more than bulgers. next year may be the last year of the huge cap increases though and hit the ceiling. this should curb some of the rediculous spending weve seen the past 2 years.

PAMillerGrrl83
05-26-2007, 09:16 PM
Ben cant catch a break. Maybe this year will change everything...for the better.

19ward86
06-03-2007, 02:44 PM
does anyone know what is going on with the new big ben contract:

-how much is it worth?
-is it real?
-why?
answering any of these questions wold make me happy.