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SteelersFever
05-24-2007, 11:07 AM
Title: Steelers' Alan Faneca: I'll Play Devil's Advocate
Source: Steelers Fever
Date: 5/24/07
Author: Tom Van Wyhe

Link: http://www.steelersfever.com/editorials/0731.html

Summary: With every Pittsburgh fan wagging a finger at Faneca (and a choice finger, I'm sure) I find it difficult to stand by and do nothing in his defense. After all, in every situation there are two sides, two points of view. To ignore the other point of view would be unjust and far too biased.

Atlanta Dan
05-24-2007, 11:31 AM
This article is just the flip side of everyone blaming Faneca and equally wrongheaded.

The claim in the article that the Steelers are not being "loyal" to Faneca by not making an offer Faneca will accept is as nonsensical as any claim Faneca is not being "loyal" to the Steelers by not accepting whatever offer they make.

It's strictly business - loyalty has nothing to do with it.

25MVPKing
05-24-2007, 11:39 AM
Rebuttle:

You don't buy a stock for what it has done in the past. You buy a stock for what it has the potential to do in the future. You use the past as an information source for determing potential, but past performance of a stock (or a Pro Bowl football player) does not indicate future performance.

What are you willing to give for Faneca? 3 years/$24 million ? Why not a 5 year contract? Or a 7 year contract? If you love and value him so much, ink him to a 7 year deal and let him die a Steeler. How many shares of General Motors are you willing to buy right now? It's at 31.14 right now. It could go to $40 in the next 5 years. It could also go to $20. Faneca may have 3 good years left in him. He may have 2. Why pay for 3 years of good service if you're only getting 2? Why buy GM at $31.14 now if it might go up to $35 next year and fall to $28 the year after that?

And guess what? If you buy GM at $31.14 now, you can't buy Disney later (it's at $36.17 right now). If you overpay Faneca, how much chance do you have to keep your first round QB, Ben Roethlisberger, or first round S, Troy Polamalu, who both need to be paid well to stick around?

Where there's a salary cap or finite amounts of money (i.e. not the Yankees), you will always have to stack the chips on two sides of a scale and see which one is worth more. Most people would love to see Faneca, Ward, and Porter retire as Steelers. Cap casualties happen....

And no one hurts more than the fans.

stlrtruck
05-24-2007, 11:48 AM
I liked your article. And if you're talking about an individual, then your comments make sense. However, we're talking about a business that involves number crunching and a team that has done it well over the last 10 years (at least).

Now, I didn't blame Faneca for being upset. I believe he has a valid point. He's one of the best lineman in the league and deserves a pay raise. However, he took his beef public instead of to the people that make the decision. Faneca, in my eyes, now looks like a player trying to break the bank.

As it has been previously stated, we've got other players that need to be signed to long term deals. And since that involves the team as a whole, players need to understand, including Faneca, that this is a business and if you want to be on top you have to decide what "On Top" means. Does it mean the big fat contract you sign? Or does it mean the number of times you pick up a Lombardi Trophy and a Super Bowl Ring? From what I've gathered to this point the FO is worried about the latter while Faneca is worried about the money!!!

oldschool
05-24-2007, 11:51 AM
Alan signed a contract in 2002 that made him the highest paid guard in the NFL, but that was the only year he was paid at that level, and that hasn't seem to bother him prior to this point. If it is strickly about the big pay day, play out your contract, move on and cash in, there is noting wrong with that. I think most fans would understand that it's a business decision, a fact of life in the NFL. I think the majority of fans are upset about the public soap opera, and the whining. Like I said before Shut up and Play!!!!!!!!!!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-24-2007, 11:54 AM
Until athletes start giving money back when they have a bad year....they need to shut up about deserving more money.... until their current contract expires.


...nuff said

RoethlisBURGHer
05-24-2007, 12:18 PM
Until athletes start giving money back when they have a bad year....they need to shut up about deserving more money.... until their current contract expires.


...nuff said

:thumbsup:

DACEB
05-24-2007, 01:09 PM
I'm sorry but I just can't get over the fact that Faneca believes a 3yr/$19mil deal is unfair and a slap in the face. Period.

TackleMeBen
05-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Until athletes start giving money back when they have a bad year....they need to shut up about deserving more money.... until their current contract expires.


...nuff said

well that would explain why ben sold his denali on ebay... he had to payback money for the awful season last year...lol :sofunny:

steelerd
05-24-2007, 01:42 PM
As much as I resent Faneca airing his "Beef" in public, I think we have to look at his side of the issue. 1) It seems he was led to believe that one of his Coaches was going to replace Cower. 2) It seems he was led to believe that he would be rewarded for his effort come contract time. 3) He bought in to Cowher's Team philosphy and always showed up to play. 4) He never showed any sign of anything but loyalty in the past. 5) Team leaders are not a dime a dozen. With others gone (Porter, Hartings, Bettis and others) who is going to take Alan's place?

As Steelers fans, we should hope (and pray) that things could be worked out, because he is a vital part of the Steeler's successes over the 8 years he has been in Pittsburgh.

Who is on the team or available that can fill his pro-bowl shoes? We should try to get the team to work things out long term rather than crucifying him for wanting a fair and equitable contract. Like it or not, good linemen are hard to find. Just ask the Browns!

rbryan
05-24-2007, 04:33 PM
1. I'm pretty sure no one led him to expect anything about who was gonna be the next coach. Do you really think the mgmt of any NFL team is going to ask the players
opinion??

2. Again with the, "led to believe" ??? Poor Alan was mislead???

3. He did his job. Thats what he's supposed to do. At last contract he was signed as the highest paid guard in the league.

4. He has been in the news on more than one occasion first questioning Rothlisberger as the new QB 2 yrs ago, more recently showing up the FO by crying about Russ Grimm not being hired as coach. And now this crybaby shit fit ?? Is that your idea of loyalty?

5. See #4, he's no longer a team leader.

tomvanwyhe
05-24-2007, 06:20 PM
"Yeah, but ... offensive linemen aren't worth that much money."

Not true. An elite offensive lineman is worth that much. Everything in football begins with the protection and blocking an offensive line provides; without that a team has nothing.

"Even if some other team is dumb enough to pay them that much, they're not worth it."

What other teams pay their players has a direct impact on the market value of all players at that position, whether or not they are worth it.

Stlrs4Life
05-24-2007, 08:40 PM
This article is just the flip side of everyone blaming Faneca and equally wrongheaded.

The claim in the article that the Steelers are not being "loyal" to Faneca by not making an offer Faneca will accept is as nonsensical as any claim Faneca is not being "loyal" to the Steelers by not accepting whatever offer they make.

It's strictly business - loyalty has nothing to do with it.



We have a Bingo!

RoethlisBURGHer
05-24-2007, 09:59 PM
1) It seems he was led to believe that one of his Coaches was going to replace Cower.

I highly doubt when Cowher told the Rooneys of his desicion to leave the Steelers that they ran to Alan Faneca asking him who he thought should be the new head coach.The media made it sound like it would be Whiz or Grimm.The media falsley reported Grimm was the choice.They didn't lead anyone to believe anything,the sensationalist media did all of that.

2) It seems he was led to believe that he would be rewarded for his effort come contract time.

And if he wasn't so pigheaded and money-grubbing,he would be.He turned down a very lucrative offer that kept the good of the team in mind.Faneca obviously doesn't care about the TEAM,only HIMSELF.

3) He bought in to Cowher's Team philosphy and always showed up to play.

As was required by his signed name at the bottom of the contract he signed.If he didn't show up,he would have been fined out of the ass.

4) He never showed any sign of anything but loyalty in the past.

So it was loyalty that caused him to bitch and moan when Ben Roethlisberger had to start in place of the injured Tommy Maddox in 2004.It was loyalty when he aired his displeasure with the Rooney's desicion to hire Mike Tomlin.And it was also loyalty when he took his gripe with his contract status public instead of addressing the Rooneys in private of the matter.

His showing up and playing hard was part of the job,not loyalty.In the NFL and the real world these days,people are only loyal to themselves.

5) Team leaders are not a dime a dozen. With others gone (Porter, Hartings, Bettis and others) who is going to take Alan's place?

People leave,it's a reality in the free agent-salary cap world of the NFL.You cannot keep everyone.Alan has always lead by his play,obviously not by his mouth.Ben is stepping up to be more of a leader.Troy is a leader by example (an example Faneca needs to take a look at).Townsend provides much veteran leadership.With Porter gone,Hampton has already said he's looking forward to being more of a vocal leader on this team.

Also,we have the ultimate new leader in Mike Tomlin.It seems all the players with the exception of Faneca are buying into his philosophies which aren't much different from Cowher's.He seems to be a better teacher than Cowher was.

So I think from a leadership standppoint,we'll do just fine.

rbryan
05-24-2007, 11:51 PM
Faneca has no concept of "loyalty" yet he accuses the organization of not honoring it. He was arguably one of the best O Lineman to play for the black & gold in the past 25 years. But his recent actions make that point irrelevent. He is no longer on this TEAM.

Preacher
05-25-2007, 12:04 AM
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that this thread is missing the point of the article.

I think the point was that the Steelers should have released him this year or traded him, so that he could have security in the next few years. I liked reading the opposing article.

I think Faneca is absolutey wrong, thus, I disagree with the article. BUt it was still a good article.

Spiritfinds
05-25-2007, 01:14 AM
To Tom Van Wyhe and his defense of Faneca. I have always been told there are 3 sides of a story. Their side, your side, and the truth. The average person that works in a corporation last 4 years and makes around 60k a year. All feel and think they worked hard and had the best interest of the company yet were kicked to the curb in the end. Faneca has lasted twice the amount of time and has made more jack in one year than any normal guy could hope to make in 20 or 30 years. My understanding is that Faneca will be paid close to 5 million dollars this year. It is beyond my comprehension in understanding Faneca feeling disrespected or not appreciated. Why complain? Go out and have a hell of a year and then cash in big time next year by signing with some team who will never get close to getting to the SB. Faneca will get his money and Faneca, in a couple of years, will then become a footnote in football history. I believe almost any player would rather play on a winning team and make less money than make more money and play on a loser of a team---especially when the player is making millions in the first place. :coffee:

fansince'76
05-25-2007, 01:19 AM
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steel#1
05-25-2007, 01:24 AM
Sorry but this may get difficult because my computer has been acting a lot like Faneca, even though it's been paid for and I pay the bill every month it's not working so good right now either(haha). Yes I can understand Faneca's point of view everyone can recognize that a player only has so many good years so he essentially has to make as much money in that time as he can. Now we have the real dilemma--a team or organazation wants to win superballs, a player wants paid, but alas, the dreaded salary cap. There'[s only so much money to go around to all the guys who think they deserve more so Alan needs to decide whether he wants to accept a little less money and shoot for the post-season and another chance at a ring. Or he can accept the alternative--go to a team that cqan afford to pay him the really big money--and fade into obscurity on a team that doesn't even sniff a post-season. His choice.

Glace
05-25-2007, 10:00 AM
All I'm really ticked off about is....it's a contract for however many years....You are contracted to play to the best of your ability, attend mandatory camps and make an effort to get to non-mandatory camps...what have you....

This is not play hard 3 of 4 years and then be a crying pansy baby in your final year because you don't get an extension.

Honestly....(and this goes beyond Faneca too)....if you act like this....or if you do the worst and completely hold out.....you don't get paid at all....period...not fined little piddly slap-on-the-wrist amounts...in fact it should be a breach of that original contract and the team should have the ability to sue the money back out of you.

I'm absolutely sick of guys demanding more money in the last year of their contract. I mean, sure it's a risk to go into your last year without a new contract...I completely understand.....but you're in a very risky sport....an injury could happen at any time, any day anyways. Go play golf if you want zero-risk.

Hammer67
05-25-2007, 10:15 AM
All I'm really ticked off about is....it's a contract for however many years....You are contracted to play to the best of your ability, attend mandatory camps and make an effort to get to non-mandatory camps...what have you....

This is not play hard 3 of 4 years and then be a crying pansy baby in your final year because you don't get an extension.

Honestly....(and this goes beyond Faneca too)....if you act like this....or if you do the worst and completely hold out.....you don't get paid at all....period...not fined little piddly slap-on-the-wrist amounts...in fact it should be a breach of that original contract and the team should have the ability to sue the money back out of you.

I'm absolutely sick of guys demanding more money in the last year of their contract. I mean, sure it's a risk to go into your last year without a new contract...I completely understand.....but you're in a very risky sport....an injury could happen at any time, any day anyways. Go play golf if you want zero-risk.


I am a firm believer that you play out your contract and shut up about gripes. He signed the damn thing at the time and was the first or second highest paid guard in football. Just because other teams are stupid with their spending, does not mean the Steelers need to do the same.

If you feel you are underpaid, talk to your agent about securing an extension. If they don't want to pay what you think you should get, then play out your contract then go make the insane money from someone else, like Dan Snyder.

What really let me down is when he talked about playing with "No Security". WTF??? :dang: Alan, I will trade places with you for one year. I will take one year at $4+ million and you can have my job indefinitely?I guarantee you that I will be secure for life with that one year!!!!!!